Is Atheism the true belief system of existence?

^ Christianity's foudnation is not the scripture, its the event of the ressurection.

Though the scripture does make it alot easier to demonstrate the event historically.

I'm not saying it's Reapers... But Reapers.Zeviander

Nah dude.....space magic.

^ Christianity's foudnation is not the scripture, its the event of the ressurection.

Though the scripture does make it alot easier to demonstrate the event historically.

Philokalia

Without the scripture, there is no basis for belief. There is no other source which testifies to the resurrection.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

You're contradicting yourself. You say that you believe (loosely) in Christianity. You can't do that. Either you believe or you don't; there's no middle ground. Also, how can you profess any degree of belief in a book that you know to be written/ made up by mere men? That's ludicrous.

BluRayHiDef

You don't understand. From the Bible's perspective - the Bible being the foundation of Christianity - there is no middle ground. The Bible does not say that you can choose which parts of it to believe and which not to. It simply tells you what to do and recalls events that it expects you to believe. For example, as far as the Bible is concerned, Jesus was indeed dead for three days and then came back to life. You can't choose to believe this event if you're a Christian; you MUST believe in it. That's what I'm saying.

Also, as I said, since you know that the Bible is written/ made-up by men, why believe in ANY part of it? You know it's a fairy tale. Your "reasoning" makes no sense.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

^ Christianity's foudnation is not the scripture, its the event of the ressurection.

Though the scripture does make it alot easier to demonstrate the event historically.

BluRayHiDef

Without the scripture, there is no basis for belief. There is no other source which testifies to the resurrection.

I would suggest church tradition would be adequate, though as I said it does make the ressurection more easy to believe in.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] See man, this is what kills me about the religious debate with atheists and Christians, no offence. There is a middle ground dude. Ya know what that middle ground is? Saying "I dont know". The middle ground is saying "I'm only human, I cant possibly pretend like I know there is a higher power or not". That's exactly why I have my own beliefs and force them upon no one. :)LJS9502_basic

You don't understand. From the Bible's perspective - the Bible being the foundation of Christianity - there is no middle ground. The Bible does not say that you can choose which parts of it to believe and which not to. It simply tells you what to do and recalls events that it expects you to believe. For example, as far as the Bible is concerned, Jesus was indeed dead for three days and then came back to life. You can't choose to believe this event if you're a Christian; you MUST believe in it. That's what I'm saying.

Also, as I said, since you know that the Bible is written/ made-up by men, why believe in ANY part of it? You know it's a fairy tale. Your "reasoning" makes no sense.

Historical events and scientific theories can be verified. Specifically, in regard to historical events, what seperates them from Biblical accounts is the fact that they are in line with the laws of the universe (i.e. they don't require belief in the impossible). For example, the Bible say that Jesus walked on water and was resurrected from the dead. Both of these events contradict science, so why should we believe in them? They are highly suspicious at best.

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="666BumbleBee666"]To me there is almost no proof God exists so why believe it?666BumbleBee666

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

You're contradicting yourself. You say that you believe (loosely) in Christianity. You can't do that. Either you believe or you don't; there's no middle ground. Also, how can you profess any degree of belief in a book that you know to be written/ made up by mere men? That's ludicrous.

BluRayHiDef

You don't understand. From the Bible's perspective - the Bible being the foundation of Christianity - there is no middle ground. The Bible does not say that you can choose which parts of it to believe and which not to. It simply tells you what to do and recalls events that it expects you to believe. For example, as far as the Bible is concerned, Jesus was indeed dead for three days and then came back to life. You can't choose to believe this event if you're a Christian; you MUST believe in it. That's what I'm saying.

Also, as I said, since you know that the Bible is written/ made-up by men, why believe in ANY part of it? You know it's a fairy tale. Your "reasoning" makes no sense.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

You don't understand. From the Bible's perspective - the Bible being the foundation of Christianity - there is no middle ground. The Bible does not say that you can choose which parts of it to believe and which not to. It simply tells you what to do and recalls events that it expects you to believe. For example, as far as the Bible is concerned, Jesus was indeed dead for three days and then came back to life. You can't choose to believe this event if you're a Christian; you MUST believe in it. That's what I'm saying.

Also, as I said, since you know that the Bible is written/ made-up by men, why believe in ANY part of it? You know it's a fairy tale. Your "reasoning" makes no sense.

BluRayHiDef

Historical events and scientific theories can be verified. Specifically, in regard to historical events, what seperates them from Biblical accounts is the fact that they are in line with the laws of the universe (i.e. they don't require belief in the impossible). For example, the Bible say that Jesus walked on water and was resurrected from the dead. Both of these events contradict science, so why should we believe in them? They are highly suspicious at best.

Any book written by man makes it a fairy tale? Guess we should burn the history and science books....can't have our children reading those fairy tales. Do you even consider logic before forming a post?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] See man, this is what kills me about the religious debate with atheists and Christians, no offence. There is a middle ground dude. Ya know what that middle ground is? Saying "I dont know". The middle ground is saying "I'm only human, I cant possibly pretend like I know there is a higher power or not". That's exactly why I have my own beliefs and force them upon no one. :)carljohnson3456

You don't understand. From the Bible's perspective - the Bible being the foundation of Christianity - there is no middle ground. The Bible does not say that you can choose which parts of it to believe and which not to. It simply tells you what to do and recalls events that it expects you to believe. For example, as far as the Bible is concerned, Jesus was indeed dead for three days and then came back to life. You can't choose to believe this event if you're a Christian; you MUST believe in it. That's what I'm saying.

Also, as I said, since you know that the Bible is written/ made-up by men, why believe in ANY part of it? You know it's a fairy tale. Your "reasoning" makes no sense.

If you're not a devout Christian, then you're not a Christian. You can't be Christian by your own standards. That's my point. You must do the following in order to be a Christian:

• Profess belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
• Profess belief in Jesus's status as God's son.
• Be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
• Strive to obey the moral standards of the Bible.

You fulfill only the last of these requirements. You're not a Christian. You're just a secular person who admires the moral ideas of the Bible (some of which are horrible).

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

You don't understand. From the Bible's perspective - the Bible being the foundation of Christianity - there is no middle ground. The Bible does not say that you can choose which parts of it to believe and which not to. It simply tells you what to do and recalls events that it expects you to believe. For example, as far as the Bible is concerned, Jesus was indeed dead for three days and then came back to life. You can't choose to believe this event if you're a Christian; you MUST believe in it. That's what I'm saying.

Also, as I said, since you know that the Bible is written/ made-up by men, why believe in ANY part of it? You know it's a fairy tale. Your "reasoning" makes no sense.

BluRayHiDef

If you're not a devout Christian, then you're not a Christian. You can't be Christian by your own standards. That's my point. You must do the following in order to be a Christian:

• Profess belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
• Profess belief in Jesus's status as God's son.
• Be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
• Strive to obey the moral standards of the Bible.

You fulfill only the last of these requirements. You're not a Christian. You're just a secular person who admires the moral ideas of the Bible (some of which are horrible).

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] You must have missed the part where I said I'm not a devout Christian... and I dont believe everything in the bible, but should I say I dont believe in the 10 commandments? Which I think is a great morale foundation for any human being? Seems like you're trying to get me to confess I'm wrong about my religious beliefs, but you cant my good sir, because even I am not sure about them. Basically I stated my beliefs without trying to convince anyone of anything. Quit doing the opposite to me. You're as bad as any preacher professing the Christian value system to me. LJS9502_basic

If you're not a devout Christian, then you're not a Christian. You can't be Christian by your own standards. That's my point. You must do the following in order to be a Christian:

• Profess belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
• Profess belief in Jesus's status as God's son.
• Be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
• Strive to obey the moral standards of the Bible.

You fulfill only the last of these requirements. You're not a Christian. You're just a secular person who admires the moral ideas of the Bible (some of which are horrible).

Those requirements, according to the Bible, were commanded by Jesus himself. Hence, you must fulfill them to be a Christian. Heck, the first one is a complete must because the resurrection is the very foundation of Christianity.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Any book written by man makes it a fairy tale? Guess we should burn the history and science books....can't have our children reading those fairy tales. Do you even consider logic before forming a post?LJS9502_basic

Historical events and scientific theories can be verified. Specifically, in regard to historical events, what seperates them from Biblical accounts is the fact that they are in line with the laws of the universe (i.e. they don't require belief in the impossible). For example, the Bible say that Jesus walked on water and was resurrected from the dead. Both of these events contradict science, so why should we believe in them? They are highly suspicious at best.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] You must have missed the part where I said I'm not a devout Christian... and I dont believe everything in the bible, but should I say I dont believe in the 10 commandments? Which I think is a great morale foundation for any human being? Seems like you're trying to get me to confess I'm wrong about my religious beliefs, but you cant my good sir, because even I am not sure about them. Basically I stated my beliefs without trying to convince anyone of anything. Quit doing the opposite to me. You're as bad as any preacher professing the Christian value system to me. LJS9502_basic

If you're not a devout Christian, then you're not a Christian. You can't be Christian by your own standards. That's my point. You must do the following in order to be a Christian:

• Profess belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
• Profess belief in Jesus's status as God's son.
• Be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
• Strive to obey the moral standards of the Bible.

You fulfill only the last of these requirements. You're not a Christian. You're just a secular person who admires the moral ideas of the Bible (some of which are horrible).

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

If you're not a devout Christian, then you're not a Christian. You can't be Christian by your own standards. That's my point. You must do the following in order to be a Christian:

• Profess belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
• Profess belief in Jesus's status as God's son.
• Be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
• Strive to obey the moral standards of the Bible.

You fulfill only the last of these requirements. You're not a Christian. You're just a secular person who admires the moral ideas of the Bible (some of which are horrible).

carljohnson3456

I'm not trying to force anything on you. I'm simply pointing out that your (partial) belief in the Bible and Christianity is paradoxical.

Those requirements, according to the Bible, were commanded by Jesus himself. Hence, you must fulfill them to be a Christian. Heck, the first one is a complete must because the resurrection is the very foundation of Christianity.BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Historical events and scientific theories can be verified. Specifically, in regard to historical events, what seperates them from Biblical accounts is the fact that they are in line with the laws of the universe (i.e. they don't require belief in the impossible). For example, the Bible say that Jesus walked on water and was resurrected from the dead. Both of these events contradict science, so why should we believe in them? They are highly suspicious at best.

Human-after-all

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]Those requirements, according to the Bible, were commanded by Jesus himself. Hence, you must fulfill them to be a Christian. Heck, the first one is a complete must because the resurrection is the very foundation of Christianity.carljohnson3456

Your belief is paradoxical. You can't be both Christian, yet reject parts of the very foundation (the Bible) of Christianity. It doesn't work that way. You're a Christian only in your own mind.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

If you're not a devout Christian, then you're not a Christian. You can't be Christian by your own standards. That's my point. You must do the following in order to be a Christian:

• Profess belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
• Profess belief in Jesus's status as God's son.
• Be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
• Strive to obey the moral standards of the Bible.

You fulfill only the last of these requirements. You're not a Christian. You're just a secular person who admires the moral ideas of the Bible (some of which are horrible).

BluRayHiDef

Those requirements, according to the Bible, were commanded by Jesus himself. Hence, you must fulfill them to be a Christian. Heck, the first one is a complete must because the resurrection is the very foundation of Christianity.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]Those requirements, according to the Bible, were commanded by Jesus himself. Hence, you must fulfill them to be a Christian. Heck, the first one is a complete must because the resurrection is the very foundation of Christianity.BluRayHiDef

Your belief is paradoxical. You can't be both Christian, yet reject parts of the very foundation (the Bible) of Christianity. It doesn't work that way. You're a Christian only in your own mind.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Christian....follower of Christ. You are adding specific denomination rules. I don't think any law exists that doesn't say he can't believe without a formal religion.LJS9502_basic

Those requirements, according to the Bible, were commanded by Jesus himself. Hence, you must fulfill them to be a Christian. Heck, the first one is a complete must because the resurrection is the very foundation of Christianity.

My dude, are you a fool? According to the Bible, in order to be saved and get into the Kingdom of Heaven, you must believe in Jesus's divinity. You can follow his moral rules all day, but if you don't believe that he's God's Son and that he was resurrected from the dead, you're going to "die in your sins". Period. That's what the Bible says.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] Dude ok, then Christianity rejects me. So what? Does that change my beliefs? No. It may change what YOU feel so adamantly about filing me under. But it doesnt change me. Big deal. carljohnson3456

Your belief is paradoxical. You can't be both Christian, yet reject parts of the very foundation (the Bible) of Christianity. It doesn't work that way. You're a Christian only in your own mind.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Those requirements, according to the Bible, were commanded by Jesus himself. Hence, you must fulfill them to be a Christian. Heck, the first one is a complete must because the resurrection is the very foundation of Christianity.

BluRayHiDef

My dude, are you a fool? According to the Bible, in order to be saved and get into the Kingdom of Heaven, you must believe in Jesus's divinity. You can follow his moral rules all day, but if you don't believe that he's God's Son and that he was resurrected from the dead, you're going to "die in your sins". Period. That's what the Bible says.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]Those requirements, according to the Bible, were commanded by Jesus himself. Hence, you must fulfill them to be a Christian. Heck, the first one is a complete must because the resurrection is the very foundation of Christianity.carljohnson3456

I think this little quarrel could have been avoided if you simply said that you were spiritual but not religious.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Your belief is paradoxical. You can't be both Christian, yet reject parts of the very foundation (the Bible) of Christianity. It doesn't work that way. You're a Christian only in your own mind.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]Those requirements, according to the Bible, were commanded by Jesus himself. Hence, you must fulfill them to be a Christian. Heck, the first one is a complete must because the resurrection is the very foundation of Christianity.MadVybz

I think this little quarrel could have been avoided if you simply said that you were spiritual but not religious.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] I never claimed to be Christian dude. Call me what you want. I could care less. It really pisses me off though when people like you act like you're so right about religion. Here's a hint dude - you aint. Call me what you want, I dont care. I never claimed to be anything, did I?carljohnson3456

You just don't get it. I'm not trying to present you with what I perceive to be the truth; I don't even believe in the Bible. I'm simply telling you that it's impossible to be a quasi-Christian. Either you're Christian or you're not. Furthermore, to be a Christian, you MUST fullfill the requirements I mentioned. These claims are not mine, but the Bible's. I'm simply informing you of them. How can you claim to be something, yet fail to fulfill the requirements necessary to be what you claim to be? That's paradoxical. That's all I'm saying. Hence, what you are is a secular person who admires the moral idea of the Bible (some of which are horrible). You're not a quasi-Christian (because there's no such thing), nor are you a full Christian.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I wouldn't take anything he says vis a vis religion seriously. He uses youtube for his ideas.BluRayHiDef

You just don't get it. I'm not trying to present you with what I perceive to be the truth; I don't even believe in the Bible. I'm simply telling you that it's impossible to be a quasi-Christian. Either you're Christian or you're not. Furthermore, to be a Christian, you MUST fullfill the requirements I mentioned. These claims are not mine, but the Bible's. I'm simply informing you of them. How can you claim to be something, yet fail to fulfill the requirements necessary to be what you claim to be? That's paradoxical. That's all I'm saying. Hence, what you are is a secular person who admirs the moral idea of the Bible (some of which are horrible). You're not a quasi-Christian, nor are you a full Christian.

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] Dude ok, then Christianity rejects me. So what? Does that change my beliefs? No. It may change what YOU feel so adamantly about filing me under. But it doesnt change me. Big deal. carljohnson3456

I think this little quarrel could have been avoided if you simply said that you were spiritual but not religious.

While that much is true, BluRay is at least pointing out a very important problem; the term 'Christian' has become so general that it's being thrown left, right and center like nobody's business when they are in fact, not true to the religion.

Mind you, I believe in belief and have the utmost respect to spiritual people like yourself; my only problem is the fact that organized religion is what fuels these debates, so if anyone mentions any of the 'isms', someone's going to pounce on it with the wrong mindset.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I wouldn't take anything he says vis a vis religion seriously. He uses youtube for his ideas.BluRayHiDef

You just don't get it. I'm not trying to present you with what I perceive to be the truth; I don't even believe in the Bible. I'm simply telling you that it's impossible to be a quasi-Christian. Either you're Christian or you're not. Furthermore, to be a Christian, you MUST fullfill the requirements I mentioned. These claims are not mine, but the Bible's. I'm simply informing you of them. How can you claim to be something, yet fail to fulfill the requirements necessary to be what you claim to be? That's paradoxical. That's all I'm saying. Hence, what you are is a secular person who admirs the moral idea of the Bible (some of which are horrible). You're not a quasi-Christian, nor are you a full Christian.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="MadVybz"]

I think this little quarrel could have been avoided if you simply said that you were spiritual but not religious.

MadVybz

While that much is true, BluRay is at least pointing out a very important problem; the term 'Christian' has become so general that it's being thrown left, right and center like nobody's business when they are in fact, not true to the religion.

Mind you, I believe in belief and have the utmost respect to spiritual people like yourself; my only problem is the fact that organized religion is what fuels these debates, so if anyone mentions any of the 'isms', someone's going to pounce on it with the wrong mindset.

Call me what ya will brother. I throw in the towel on this one. I never claimed to be anything, I stated my beliefs, period. I never claimed to be quasi-Christian. I sure as hell never claimed to be full Christian. carljohnson3456

This is what you said:

I respect Atheism, but I believe there HAS to be a higher power of some kind. I believe in God, and mostly identify myself with the Christian religion. I used to be an Atheist. There may be no proof a higher power exists, but there's no proof that it doesnt. Sometimes I think even if every religion out there is actually wrong, doesnt mean that a higher power doesnt exists anyway. I hope I worded that right.carljohnson3456

By saying that you mostly identify yourself with the Christian religion, you're saying that you don't fully identify with the Chritian religion. Hence, your belief in/ adherence to Christianity ispartial(i.e. quasi).

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] True, but it also could have been avoided had BluRay not salivated at the mouth to attack someone with an open mind saying they identify with the Christian religion. I never said I was a Christian.LJS9502_basic

While that much is true, BluRay is at least pointing out a very important problem; the term 'Christian' has become so general that it's being thrown left, right and center like nobody's business when they are in fact, not true to the religion.

Mind you, I believe in belief and have the utmost respect to spiritual people like yourself; my only problem is the fact that organized religion is what fuels these debates, so if anyone mentions any of the 'isms', someone's going to pounce on it with the wrong mindset.

Exactly. Not that many people actually do.

"I believe in God, but I disagree with a lot of things in the Bibie" is something that shows a person who is spiritual but not religious. A religious person lives by the book, since to be part of a religion basically implies control in some shape or form.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MadVybz"]

While that much is true, BluRay is at least pointing out a very important problem; the term 'Christian' has become so general that it's being thrown left, right and center like nobody's business when they are in fact, not true to the religion.

Mind you, I believe in belief and have the utmost respect to spiritual people like yourself; my only problem is the fact that organized religion is what fuels these debates, so if anyone mentions any of the 'isms', someone's going to pounce on it with the wrong mindset.

MadVybz

Exactly. Not that many people actually do.

"I believe in God, but I disagree with a lot of things in the Bibie" is something that shows a person who is spiritual but not religious. A religious person lives by the book, since to be part of a religion basically implies control in some shape or form.

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The term Christian means one who follows Christ. LJS9502_basic

Exactly. Not that many people actually do.

"I believe in God, but I disagree with a lot of things in the Bibie" is something that shows a person who is spiritual but not religious. A religious person lives by the book, since to be part of a religion basically implies control in some shape or form.

I agree with what BluRay's saying, to an extent. But it has absolutely nothing with assumption of other people's beliefs, it's the highlighting of the key difference between being religious and being spiritual. Following a religion means that you wholeheartedly believe the scriptures and teachings of whatever religion you believe. To be spriritual simply means that you believe in a higher power, but you don't necessarily agree with what a religion says about 'God'.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MadVybz"]

While that much is true, BluRay is at least pointing out a very important problem; the term 'Christian' has become so general that it's being thrown left, right and center like nobody's business when they are in fact, not true to the religion.

Mind you, I believe in belief and have the utmost respect to spiritual people like yourself; my only problem is the fact that organized religion is what fuels these debates, so if anyone mentions any of the 'isms', someone's going to pounce on it with the wrong mindset.

MadVybz

Exactly. Not that many people actually do.

"I believe in God, but I disagree with a lot of things in the Bibie" is something that shows a person who is spiritual but not religious. A religious person lives by the book, since to be part of a religion basically implies control in some shape or form.

Following Christ necessitates believing in his divinity. Being a follower of Christ doesn't simply mean following his moral advice. If that's the case, then anyone who happens to coincidentally follow his advice without actually knowing that it came from him is a Christian anyway. :roll: To follow Christ is to take his lead on the path to eternal salvation - which requirs belief in his resurrection.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MadVybz"]

Exactly. Not that many people actually do.

"I believe in God, but I disagree with a lot of things in the Bibie" is something that shows a person who is spiritual but not religious. A religious person lives by the book, since to be part of a religion basically implies control in some shape or form.

MadVybz

I agree with what BluRay's saying, to an extent. But it has absolutely nothing with assumption of other people's beliefs, it's the highlighting of the key difference between being religious and being spiritual. Following a religion means that you wholeheartedly believe the scriptures and teachings of whatever religion you believe. To be spriritual simply means that you believe in a higher power, but you don't necessarily agree with what a religion says about 'God'.

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The term Christian means one who follows Christ. BluRayHiDef

Exactly. Not that many people actually do.

"I believe in God, but I disagree with a lot of things in the Bibie" is something that shows a person who is spiritual but not religious. A religious person lives by the book, since to be part of a religion basically implies control in some shape or form.

Following Christ necessitates believing in his divinity. Being a follower of Christ doesn't simply mean following his moral advice. If that's the case, then anyone who happens to coincidentally follow his advice without actually knowing that it came from him is a Christian anyway. :roll: To follow Christ is to take his lead on the path to eternal salvation - which requirs belief in his resurrection.

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not sure what you mean when you say that. Are you so sure he doesn't try to live like the example Jesus gave but just doesn't attend a specific service? Seems you are falling into the same problem BluRay did and that is assume what the other dude believes/does.LJS9502_basic

I agree with what BluRay's saying, to an extent. But it has absolutely nothing with assumption of other people's beliefs, it's the highlighting of the key difference between being religious and being spiritual. Following a religion means that you wholeheartedly believe the scriptures and teachings of whatever religion you believe. To be spriritual simply means that you believe in a higher power, but you don't necessarily agree with what a religion says about 'God'.

Hence why the term 'Christian' has become so general, which brings us back to square one.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MadVybz"]

I agree with what BluRay's saying, to an extent. But it has absolutely nothing with assumption of other people's beliefs, it's the highlighting of the key difference between being religious and being spiritual. Following a religion means that you wholeheartedly believe the scriptures and teachings of whatever religion you believe. To be spriritual simply means that you believe in a higher power, but you don't necessarily agree with what a religion says about 'God'.

MadVybz

Hence why the term 'Christian' has become so general, which brings us back to square one.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

Exactly. Not that many people actually do.

"I believe in God, but I disagree with a lot of things in the Bibie" is something that shows a person who is spiritual but not religious. A religious person lives by the book, since to be part of a religion basically implies control in some shape or form.

LJS9502_basic

Following Christ necessitates believing in his divinity. Being a follower of Christ doesn't simply mean following his moral advice. If that's the case, then anyone who happens to coincidentally follow his advice without actually knowing that it came from him is a Christian anyway. :roll: To follow Christ is to take his lead on the path to eternal salvation - which requirs belief in his resurrection.

Being a Christian necessitates being religious. C'mon, my dude. Seriously, WTF?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Following Christ necessitates believing in his divinity. Being a follower of Christ doesn't simply mean following his moral advice. If that's the case, then anyone who happens to coincidentally follow his advice without actually knowing that it came from him is a Christian anyway. :roll: To follow Christ is to take his lead on the path to eternal salvation - which requirs belief in his resurrection.

BluRayHiDef

Being a Christian necessitates being religious. C'mon, my dude. Seriously, WTF?

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

Exactly. Not that many people actually do.

"I believe in God, but I disagree with a lot of things in the Bibie" is something that shows a person who is spiritual but not religious. A religious person lives by the book, since to be part of a religion basically implies control in some shape or form.

LJS9502_basic

Following Christ necessitates believing in his divinity. Being a follower of Christ doesn't simply mean following his moral advice. If that's the case, then anyone who happens to coincidentally follow his advice without actually knowing that it came from him is a Christian anyway. :roll: To follow Christ is to take his lead on the path to eternal salvation - which requirs belief in his resurrection.

If someone picks up the Bible and follows Christ's teachings on their own, all the while denying his divinity, then according to the Bible, they're going straight to hell. You must take the ENTIRE package; not just bits and pieces. At this point, I won't reply to you any further. It's a waste of time.

I'm agreeing with the atheist, woah. This is the part where the world should blow up.

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Following Christ necessitates believing in his divinity. Being a follower of Christ doesn't simply mean following his moral advice. If that's the case, then anyone who happens to coincidentally follow his advice without actually knowing that it came from him is a Christian anyway. :roll: To follow Christ is to take his lead on the path to eternal salvation - which requirs belief in his resurrection.

BluRayHiDef

If someone picks up the Bible and follows Christ's teachins on their own, all the while denying his divinity, then according to the Bible, they're going straight to hell. You must take the ENTIRE package; not just bits and pieces. At this point, I won't reply to you any further. It's a waste of time.

I'm agreeing with the atheist, woah. This is the part where the world should blow up.

Philokalia

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No no it doesn't. Following specific religions necessitates believing His divinity. One can certainly pick up the NT and follow Christ on their own. Who are you to tell them they can't?

LJS9502_basic

Being a Christian necessitates being religious. C'mon, my dude. Seriously, WTF?

You just pretty much showed us that you only don't take what either me or BluRay is saying seriously because we don't have a piece of paper or a badge to show we're 'the authority'.:roll:

Since this is the case I really don't see a point in going on any longer.