is having a gun a right?

i think the right to own a gun should never be taken away. the thought of a government or establishment taking away that right is crazy and dangerous. what are your thoughts?ZumaJones07

I agree.

lol, crazy and dangerous? I think you're contradicting yourself there.woonsa

I suppose it is, there is really no reason civilians should have access to fully automatic weaponry though.

According to our American constitution, yes.

Don't know about the other countries though.

How else am I gonna kill people?

Knife? Psh, I'm better than taht.

i always felt the founding fathers intentions for wanting an armed populace was pretty clear.

According to our American constitution, yes.

Don't know about the other countries though.

leviathan91

I'm glad we don't have it a right. I think having to go get a license is a completely reasonable idea.

I suppose it is, there is really no reason civilians should have access to fully automatic weaponry though.

TacticalDesire

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

According to our American constitution, yes.

Don't know about the other countries though.

TopTierHustler

The United States Supreme Court has stated time and again, that the second amendment protects the individual's right to own a firearm, as stated in previous cases.

Do you wish to challenge the Court's authority?

It's a right according to the U.S. Constitution, so...yeah.

I don't really buy the notion that we need protection from the government per se, but it's obvious the government can't protect every single person throughout the course of their life, no matter how hard they try. So may as well let the populace defend itself.

always reminds me of this

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[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

According to our American constitution, yes.

Don't know about the other countries though.

leviathan91

The United States Supreme Court has stated time and again, that the second amendment protects the individual's right to own a firearm, as stated in previous cases.

Do you wish to challenge the Court's authority?

I suppose it is, there is really no reason civilians should have access to fully automatic weaponry though.

TacticalDesire

According to our American constitution, yes.

Don't know about the other countries though.

leviathan91

i don't think gun rights being mentioned in the constitution has anything to do with it.

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

I suppose it is, there is really no reason civilians should have access to fully automatic weaponry though.

thegerg

I don't forsee a situation where it would be necessary. You don't need them for hunting, and if self protection a reliable handgun will do just fine. Having things like AR and etc open to the public is really just asking for trouble.

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I suppose it is, there is really no reason civilians should have access to fully automatic weaponry though.

TacticalDesire

I don't forsee a situation where it would be necessary. You don't need them for hunting, and if self protection a reliable handgun will do just fine. Having things like AR and etc open to the public is really just asking for trouble.

I'm thinking that the people in Syria are seeing how necessary fully automatic weaponry is.

If you think that's a situation that will never happen in a western country, you're only proving that you don't know human history very well.

It's a right according to the U.S. Constitution, so...yeah.

I don't really buy the notion that we need protection from the government per se, but it's obvious the government can't protect every single person throughout the course of their life, no matter how hard they try. So may as well let the populace defend itself.

airshocker

Yes, I really don't buy the oppressive government thing much either. I mean what is the scenario that people forsee honestly? The U.S. government is designed with multiple checks and balances, and law enforcement agencies that are separated from other parts, along with multiple branches of protection, so honestly the more logical reasons to own a gun are for personal safety, or if you're an enthusiast.

i don't think gun rights being mentioned in the constitution has anything to do with it.

the constitution doesn't give us our rights.ZumaJones07

The SCOTUS disagrees with you.

In the US it is, anyways. I'm pretty sure Canada also has gun ownership listed as a right.

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i don't think gun rights being mentioned in the constitution has anything to do with it.

the constitution doesn't give us our rights.airshocker

The SCOTUS disagrees with you.

I suppose it is, there is really no reason civilians should have access to fully automatic weaponry though.

TacticalDesire

Civilians do have legal access to fully automatic weaponry, they just need to jump through a lot of hoops and pay a lot more then for a non fully automatic weapon.

if you live in the US, then yes, owning a gun is a Constitutional right, as long as you aren't a convicted felon (and i'm sure there are other circumstances)

how? taking away gun rights from citizens is crazy and dangerous.ZumaJones07

No, people who own guns designed to kill humans are crazy and dangerous.

Having the right to own a gun? Okay, fine. But nothing says you have to act on that right, unless there is some kind of government douchebaggery.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"] Out of curiosity, why do you feel that way?Wasdie

I don't forsee a situation where it would be necessary. You don't need them for hunting, and if self protection a reliable handgun will do just fine. Having things like AR and etc open to the public is really just asking for trouble.

I'm thinking that the people in Syria are seeing how necessary fully automatic weaponry is.

If you think that's a situation that will never happen in a western country, you're only proving that you don't know human history very well.

First of all your making the assumption that if the situation described above were to arise, that just because automatic weapons were illegal, that people in a desperate situation against a rogue government would be unable to find and use them. If you think that is true, then it seems you are not acknowledging human history or society as a whole.

Additionally, Syria's situation is completely different, and it's really ridiculous to even compare. Syria represents a dictatorial style of government where un-opposed elections are held, so yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that an identical situation will not arise anytime in the near future in the U.S.

In England, you don't need a gun for anything other than sport and hunting. I'm tempted to get into clay pidgeon shooting or just plain shooting. In America, though, I'd feel so much safer with one. The wildlife can be f*cking deadly. Oh, and a flamethrower for those beehives, please.

fortunately, i don't see the world like you do. You can't live by what people you don't know write down and tell you to abide by. In your case, if the US constitution didn't give us gun rights, you would be okay with it.ZumaJones07

Why can't I live by what judicial scholars have ruled on throughout the course of our country's existence?

The Constitution does give us the rights to bear arms as per the SCOTUS ruling(s) on the matter.

And lastly, I wouldn't be okay with us not being allowed to own firearms. So I really don't know wtf you're getting at.

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I suppose it is, there is really no reason civilians should have access to fully automatic weaponry though.

silentnightmere

Expanding on your logic, anything should be allowed, so long as its a hobby?

I think people who hunt should have the right to a gun license that lets them own a rifle designed for hunting, but no weapons designed for warfare, that's just crazy in my opinion.PernicioEnigma

What about handguns and PDWs?

if you live in the US, then yes, owning a gun is a Constitutional right, as long as you aren't a convicted felon (and i'm sure there are other circumstances)

needled24-7

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

According to our American constitution, yes.

Don't know about the other countries though.

ZumaJones07

i don't think gun rights being mentioned in the constitution has anything to do with it.

the constitution doesn't give us our rights.

i don't know if that's what you were going for though.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

if you live in the US, then yes, owning a gun is a Constitutional right, as long as you aren't a convicted felon (and i'm sure there are other circumstances)

Verge_6

Honestly, that's smart, people should have the right to own firearms, but the approval process should be thorough and not immediate approval as in some states.

aye, it doesn't GIVE us rights, it protects our rights. there is a difference.

i don't know if that's what you were going for though.

needled24-7

First of all your making the assumption that if the situation described above were to arise, that just because automatic weapons were illegal, that people in a desperate situation against a rogue government would be unable to find and use them. If you think that is true, then it seems you are not acknowledging human history or society as a whole.

Additionally, Syria's situation is completely different, and it's really ridiculous to even compare. Syria represents a dictatorial style of government where un-opposed elections are held, so yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that an identical situation will not arise anytime in the near future in the U.S.

TacticalDesire

Actually you don't know a thing about weapons imports.

Why do you think Russia is vetoing UN action in Syria? Weapon sales.

The problem with the USA is it's surrounded by water. It's a logistical nightmare. You would never be able to get the kind of weapons you would need inside the country if they didn't already exist here. Luckily they do.

Second, the reason why we have that right written into the constitution is to prevent a situation like Syria from ever arising. The idea isn't that we can defend our property if some criminal comes along, the very idea of having the right to weapons is so that when you are being pushed you can push right back. It's a massive deterrent. You won't see a situation like Syria because we have the access to guns in the first place.

As for having legal fully automatic weapons it's kind of pointless if you know anything about firearms. There is a reason why the M16A4 rifle doesn't even have a fully automatic mode and no solider outside of a support gunner is going to use fully automatic on any assault rifle that actually supports that mode.

As long as we can buy 5.56x45, 5.56x39, and 7.62x39 ammo and the weapons to fire that ammo, having full auto is a moot point.

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if you live in the US, then yes, owning a gun is a Constitutional right, as long as you aren't a convicted felon (and i'm sure there are other circumstances)

Verge_6

that's probably a good idea. in some states (but not all) you have to wait x amount of days after applying for a carry permit before you can actually purchase a firearm. with this law, it potentially prevents heat-of-the-moment homicides i guess you could say. if a man finds his wife cheating and wants to shoot her, he's gotta wait a few days before he can purchase a gun, and by that time, it's likely that he will have calmed down a bit and rethought the situation.

needled24-7

Crimes of passion are mostly opportunistic by nature. A guy would probably just pick up the most convenient item to kill the person with. Usually whatever is in close proximity.

Criminal Minds FTW.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]

if you live in the US, then yes, owning a gun is a Constitutional right, as long as you aren't a convicted felon (and i'm sure there are other circumstances)

TacticalDesire

Honestly, that's smart, people should have the right to own firearms, but the approval process should be thorough and not immediate approval as in some states.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

that's probably a good idea. in some states (but not all) you have to wait x amount of days after applying for a carry permit before you can actually purchase a firearm. with this law, it potentially prevents heat-of-the-moment homicides i guess you could say. if a man finds his wife cheating and wants to shoot her, he's gotta wait a few days before he can purchase a gun, and by that time, it's likely that he will have calmed down a bit and rethought the situation.

airshocker

Crimes of passion are mostly opportunistic by nature. A guy would probably just pick up the most convenient item to kill the person with. Usually whatever is in close proximity.

Criminal Minds FTW.

i don't know if this is particularly, relevant, but i've heard that you're more likely to be killed by someone you know than someone you don't know.