Is horror a respected genre?

If the horror is well-written, good acting, and generally a good movie, then of course I'll respect it. However I don't really go to a movie just be 'scared'.AnubisCraig

not everyone does so thats understandable. I meant respected by critics or award shows. But if you respect it then thats cool too:P

[QUOTE="AnubisCraig"]If the horror is well-written, good acting, and generally a good movie, then of course I'll respect it. However I don't really go to a movie just be 'scared'.Film-Guy

not everyone does so thats understandable. I meant respected by critics or award shows. But if you respect it then thats cool too:P

As far as critics and award shows go, I've never really thought about it... I mean, The Shining did quite well didn't it? That was quite a good film. But if I look back at some of the 'classic horror' films, like Texas Chainsaw Massacer (original one), I found that TERRIBLE.

Good horror definitely deserves more respect, especially the original Saw movie (albeit it really is more of a thriller but still).

Good horror movies can get right in and take hold of your psyche and make you feel tense and afraid of what will happen next. That alone is a feat.

On top of that, they have to come up with an intriguing plot, story, and characters in a movie that usually has a high body count which can also be difficult. Kill too loved a character and people will hate you for it.

Specifically on the point of Saw, people see it as a sign of the bad state horror is in these days but I personally see it as a gem in a pile filled mostly with crap. The plot was incredible and the ending is still one of the greatest things I have seen in film. There was lots of great suspense and the overall moral implications of Jigsaw and the way he claimed he was trying to help people through his twisted games was great.

Horror isn't well-respected nowadays because the popular movies like Hostel tend to be crap. There is still good horror being made such as The Mist (from what I have heard), 28 Days/Weeks, Ginger Snaps 1 and 2 and so on. These films don't get enough attention though sadyl.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="AnubisCraig"]If the horror is well-written, good acting, and generally a good movie, then of course I'll respect it. However I don't really go to a movie just be 'scared'.AnubisCraig

not everyone does so thats understandable. I meant respected by critics or award shows. But if you respect it then thats cool too:P

As far as critics and award shows go, I've never really thought about it... I mean, The Shining did quite well didn't it? That was quite a good film. But if I look back at some of the 'classic horror' films, like Texas Chainsaw Massacer (original one), I found that TERRIBLE.

isnt a poster of the texas chainsaw massacre in a famous art museum somewhere?

Well, it's not respected by me. To me, it's just 1 to 2 hours of blood, gore, violence, and things I don't care to see.Shiggums

Then you dont watch good horror movies. Watch session 9 and that will change your mind.

Well, it's not respected by me. To me, it's just 1 to 2 hours of blood, gore, violence, and things I don't care to see.Shiggums

You need to watch better horror movies....

The Shining is always a great start (It seems as it is the non-horror fans horror film)

The Mist (The only real complaint I have heard about this movie is that it is talkative which is actually a plus for me)

28 Days Later (This isn't focused so much on blood and gore so much as the sheer awe of an abandoned Britain roaming with the "infected")

Good horror definitely deserves more respect, especially the original Saw movie (albeit it really is more of a thriller but still).

Good horror movies can get right in and take hold of your psyche and make you feel tense and afraid of what will happen next. That alone is a feat.

On top of that, they have to come up with an intriguing plot, story, and characters in a movie that usually has a high body count which can also be difficult. Kill too loved a character and people will hate you for it.

Specifically on the point of Saw, people see it as a sign of the bad state horror is in these days but I personally see it as a gem in a pile filled mostly with crap. The plot was incredible and the ending is still one of the greatest things I have seen in film. There was lots of great suspense and the overall moral implications of Jigsaw and the way he claimed he was trying to help people through his twisted games was great.

Horror isn't well-respected nowadays because the popular movies like Hostel tend to be crap. There is still good horror being made such as The Mist (from what I have heard), 28 Days/Weeks, Ginger Snaps 1 and 2 and so on. These films don't get enough attention though sadyl.

Thechaninator

I admit I enjoyed saw 1, i did prefer Cube in some ways but saw was still good. After saw 1 I stopped caring, i didnt want to ruin the greatness of that twist ending at the end of the first saw with another unnessasary sequel.

Good horror definitely deserves more respect, especially the original Saw movie (albeit it really is more of a thriller but still).

Good horror movies can get right in and take hold of your psyche and make you feel tense and afraid of what will happen next. That alone is a feat.

On top of that, they have to come up with an intriguing plot, story, and characters in a movie that usually has a high body count which can also be difficult. Kill too loved a character and people will hate you for it.

Specifically on the point of Saw, people see it as a sign of the bad state horror is in these days but I personally see it as a gem in a pile filled mostly with crap. The plot was incredible and the ending is still one of the greatest things I have seen in film. There was lots of great suspense and the overall moral implications of Jigsaw and the way he claimed he was trying to help people through his twisted games was great.

Horror isn't well-respected nowadays because the popular movies like Hostel tend to be crap. There is still good horror being made such as The Mist (from what I have heard), 28 Days/Weeks, Ginger Snaps 1 and 2 and so on. These films don't get enough attention though sadyl.

Thechaninator

I have to agree I loved the Saw films... I've not yet seen 4, and 3 wasn't as good as 1 & 2, but them first two were amazing. The story and twists and turns were really great.

isnt a poster of the texas chainsaw massacre in a famous art museum somewhere?

Film-Guy

Them pesky teenagers, putting up graffiti and posters everywhere these days!

Good horror definitely deserves more respect, especially the original Saw movie (albeit it really is more of a thriller but still).

Good horror movies can get right in and take hold of your psyche and make you feel tense and afraid of what will happen next. That alone is a feat.

On top of that, they have to come up with an intriguing plot, story, and characters in a movie that usually has a high body count which can also be difficult. Kill too loved a character and people will hate you for it.

Specifically on the point of Saw, people see it as a sign of the bad state horror is in these days but I personally see it as a gem in a pile filled mostly with crap. The plot was incredible and the ending is still one of the greatest things I have seen in film. There was lots of great suspense and the overall moral implications of Jigsaw and the way he claimed he was trying to help people through his twisted games was great.

Horror isn't well-respected nowadays because the popular movies like Hostel tend to be crap. There is still good horror being made such as The Mist (from what I have heard), 28 Days/Weeks, Ginger Snaps 1 and 2 and so on. These films don't get enough attention though sadyl.

Thechaninator

Saw is only bad for the sequels - the original is amazing and definitely deserves more respect. The Mist is amazing, but the talking is definitely NOT a downside. 28 Days Later (I haven't seen ...Weeks...) is one of my favorite movies. They all definitely deserve more attention, but these are not Oscar worthy films.

[QUOTE="Shiggums"]Well, it's not respected by me. To me, it's just 1 to 2 hours of blood, gore, violence, and things I don't care to see.Thechaninator

You need to watch better horror movies....

The Shining is always a great start (It seems as it is the non-horror fans horror film)

The Mist (The only real complaint I have heard about this movie is that it is talkative which is actually a plus for me)

28 Days Later (This isn't focused so much on blood and gore so much as the sheer awe of an abandoned Britain roaming with the "infected")

The ending for The Mist pissed me off...

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

Good horror definitely deserves more respect, especially the original Saw movie (albeit it really is more of a thriller but still).

Good horror movies can get right in and take hold of your psyche and make you feel tense and afraid of what will happen next. That alone is a feat.

On top of that, they have to come up with an intriguing plot, story, and characters in a movie that usually has a high body count which can also be difficult. Kill too loved a character and people will hate you for it.

Specifically on the point of Saw, people see it as a sign of the bad state horror is in these days but I personally see it as a gem in a pile filled mostly with crap. The plot was incredible and the ending is still one of the greatest things I have seen in film. There was lots of great suspense and the overall moral implications of Jigsaw and the way he claimed he was trying to help people through his twisted games was great.

Horror isn't well-respected nowadays because the popular movies like Hostel tend to be crap. There is still good horror being made such as The Mist (from what I have heard), 28 Days/Weeks, Ginger Snaps 1 and 2 and so on. These films don't get enough attention though sadyl.

gasmaskman

Saw is only bad for the sequels - the original is amazing and definitely deserves more respect. The Mist is amazing, but the talking is definitely NOT a downside. 28 Days Later (I haven't seen ...Weeks...) is one of my favorite movies. They all definitely deserve more attention, but these are not Oscar worthy films.

[QUOTE="Shiggums"]Well, it's not respected by me. To me, it's just 1 to 2 hours of blood, gore, violence, and things I don't care to see.Thechaninator

You need to watch better horror movies....

The Shining is always a great start (It seems as it is the non-horror fans horror film)

The Mist (The only real complaint I have heard about this movie is that it is talkative which is actually a plus for me)

28 Days Later (This isn't focused so much on blood and gore so much as the sheer awe of an abandoned Britain roaming with the "infected")

Actually, I liked 28 Days Later. But I guess when I think "horror" movies, I think things like "The Hills Have Eyes" and "Hostel", both of which = two thumbs down by me :P

Horror is not respected among the mainstream or critics at all, not that it really matters to me. When a horror film is well received, most like to pretend that it is not one, some prime examples being Silence of the Lambs, Jaws, and Alien. Other films like Psycho, Halloween, and The Exorcist also tend to be labeled as thrillers among film snobs, to somehow justify to themselves that they did not enjoy a dirty little horror film. Sure, there are exceptions, but take a look at any of the top 100 lists made by so-called film experts.

I face the lack of respect just about every time the topic shifts to movies when I talk to someone. I get the eye rolls, uneasy looks, snorts of disbelief, and so on. If you like these films, you're automatically viewed as somehow unstable and ready to go off the deep end. If you name horror as your genre of choice, you're basically told that you don't know what a good film is.

Horror is a form of cinema and has such a rich and storied history. Its fans are the most passionate in my eyes and it would be nice every now and then to see some respect doled out. Oh well, in the end, I don't need awards and nominations to tell me what I like.

Good topic by the way.

Movies like The Shining, Alien, The Howling, Halloween, Carrie, Psycho, The Exorcist, and Poltergeist are the best the genre has ever offered. Yea there's been a few good movies here and there recently in the horror genre, but IMO they're nothing compared to the oldies that set the standard.

Good stuff.

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

Good horror definitely deserves more respect, especially the original Saw movie (albeit it really is more of a thriller but still).

Good horror movies can get right in and take hold of your psyche and make you feel tense and afraid of what will happen next. That alone is a feat.

On top of that, they have to come up with an intriguing plot, story, and characters in a movie that usually has a high body count which can also be difficult. Kill too loved a character and people will hate you for it.

Specifically on the point of Saw, people see it as a sign of the bad state horror is in these days but I personally see it as a gem in a pile filled mostly with crap. The plot was incredible and the ending is still one of the greatest things I have seen in film. There was lots of great suspense and the overall moral implications of Jigsaw and the way he claimed he was trying to help people through his twisted games was great.

Horror isn't well-respected nowadays because the popular movies like Hostel tend to be crap. There is still good horror being made such as The Mist (from what I have heard), 28 Days/Weeks, Ginger Snaps 1 and 2 and so on. These films don't get enough attention though sadyl.

gasmaskman

Saw is only bad for the sequels - the original is amazing and definitely deserves more respect. The Mist is amazing, but the talking is definitely NOT a downside. 28 Days Later (I haven't seen ...Weeks...) is one of my favorite movies. They all definitely deserve more attention, but these are not Oscar worthy films.

Awards mean nothing.

Both Alfred Hitchcock and Stanely Kubrick, two of the most respected directors of all-time (Kubrick being my fav director even though I have only seen two of his movies so far) never won anawardfor best director. Scorsese was also in this group but I do believe he won best director for The Departed.

Horror has remained strong in the face of controversy and snobs turning their heads which I think says something about the genre.

It should be.ninjacat11

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

[QUOTE="Shiggums"]Well, it's not respected by me. To me, it's just 1 to 2 hours of blood, gore, violence, and things I don't care to see.Shiggums

You need to watch better horror movies....

The Shining is always a great start (It seems as it is the non-horror fans horror film)

The Mist (The only real complaint I have heard about this movie is that it is talkative which is actually a plus for me)

28 Days Later (This isn't focused so much on blood and gore so much as the sheer awe of an abandoned Britain roaming with the "infected")

Actually, I liked 28 Days Later. But I guess when I think "horror" movies, I think things like "The Hills Have Eyes" and "Hostel", both of which = two thumbs down by me :P

As a horror fan I avoided those movies you mentioned.

You have to look past modern pop horror movies. They are nothing compared to the hidden gems of this era and the classics of the old.

BTW I would recommend checking out 28 Weeks Later seeing as you liked the first. Not sure if you'll like it though as it is much more action oriented.

At the very least, you need to check out this opening scene.

Part 1

Part 2 (Where things get good)

Best.Opening.EVER!!!

Personally, I love horror, and am an intense gorehound(head explosions forever!) and I think there is a definite place for well made, high quality horror movies. The pyhschological thriller is just a lame sellout, like comparing Master of Puppets to St. Anger. However, the reason the genre gets so much disrespect is because there is just so much crap labeled horror. If something has 400 plus kills, with each one resulting in some kind of funny corpse position, it's not horror.

Well in movies it isn't too well recieved, but horror books and short stories are fantastic.

Stephen King, Edgar Allen Poe, and H.P. Lovecraft are masters.

[QUOTE="gasmaskman"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

Good horror definitely deserves more respect, especially the original Saw movie (albeit it really is more of a thriller but still).

Good horror movies can get right in and take hold of your psyche and make you feel tense and afraid of what will happen next. That alone is a feat.

On top of that, they have to come up with an intriguing plot, story, and characters in a movie that usually has a high body count which can also be difficult. Kill too loved a character and people will hate you for it.

Specifically on the point of Saw, people see it as a sign of the bad state horror is in these days but I personally see it as a gem in a pile filled mostly with crap. The plot was incredible and the ending is still one of the greatest things I have seen in film. There was lots of great suspense and the overall moral implications of Jigsaw and the way he claimed he was trying to help people through his twisted games was great.

Horror isn't well-respected nowadays because the popular movies like Hostel tend to be crap. There is still good horror being made such as The Mist (from what I have heard), 28 Days/Weeks, Ginger Snaps 1 and 2 and so on. These films don't get enough attention though sadyl.

Thechaninator

Saw is only bad for the sequels - the original is amazing and definitely deserves more respect. The Mist is amazing, but the talking is definitely NOT a downside. 28 Days Later (I haven't seen ...Weeks...) is one of my favorite movies. They all definitely deserve more attention, but these are not Oscar worthy films.

Awards mean nothing.

Both Alfred Hitchcock and Stanely Kubrick, two of the most respected directors of all-time (Kubrick being my fav director even though I have only seen two of his movies so far) never won anawardfor best director. Scorsese was also in this group but I do believe he won best director for The Departed.

Horror has remained strong in the face of controversy and snobs turning their heads which I think says something about the genre.

They've won Oscars, though.

Well in movies it isn't too well recieved, but horror books and short stories are fantastic.

Stephen King, Edgar Allen Poe, and H.P. Lovecraft are masters.

blooddemon666

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="gasmaskman"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

Good horror definitely deserves more respect, especially the original Saw movie (albeit it really is more of a thriller but still).

Good horror movies can get right in and take hold of your psyche and make you feel tense and afraid of what will happen next. That alone is a feat.

On top of that, they have to come up with an intriguing plot, story, and characters in a movie that usually has a high body count which can also be difficult. Kill too loved a character and people will hate you for it.

Specifically on the point of Saw, people see it as a sign of the bad state horror is in these days but I personally see it as a gem in a pile filled mostly with crap. The plot was incredible and the ending is still one of the greatest things I have seen in film. There was lots of great suspense and the overall moral implications of Jigsaw and the way he claimed he was trying to help people through his twisted games was great.

Horror isn't well-respected nowadays because the popular movies like Hostel tend to be crap. There is still good horror being made such as The Mist (from what I have heard), 28 Days/Weeks, Ginger Snaps 1 and 2 and so on. These films don't get enough attention though sadyl.

gasmaskman

Saw is only bad for the sequels - the original is amazing and definitely deserves more respect. The Mist is amazing, but the talking is definitely NOT a downside. 28 Days Later (I haven't seen ...Weeks...) is one of my favorite movies. They all definitely deserve more attention, but these are not Oscar worthy films.

Awards mean nothing.

Both Alfred Hitchcock and Stanely Kubrick, two of the most respected directors of all-time (Kubrick being my fav director even though I have only seen two of his movies so far) never won anawardfor best director. Scorsese was also in this group but I do believe he won best director for The Departed.

Horror has remained strong in the face of controversy and snobs turning their heads which I think says something about the genre.

They've won Oscars, though.

Not for best director though, which is absolutely ridiculous.....

Stupid movie directors now think that 'horror' is making things pop out randomly and making you jump. It's become a popular trend, and now horror isn't what it use to be. Saw is the closest there is to a good horror movie these days.ElArab

There are much more appropriate choices than Saw these days as to what makes a good horror film and here's one that came out after it. The Descent has everything one could want in a horror film: likeable characters, believable circumstances, suspense and tension, real conflict between characters- not just petty reasons, a proper use of gore, good monsters, quality scares, a suffocating atmosphere, and just enough open-endedness to make you wonder.

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"]

Well in movies it isn't too well recieved, but horror books and short stories are fantastic.

Stephen King, Edgar Allen Poe, and H.P. Lovecraft are masters.

TheZ3nMan

but of course, people don't like to read, so his works get looked over. and any movie based on his work is utter, low-budget trash.

Also what is the difference between thriller and horror? Thrillers have elements of horror in them, and horror has elements of thrillers in them. Film-Guy

I think thrillers have more of a psychological aspect. *shrugs*

Also what is the difference between thriller and horror? Thrillers have elements of horror in them, and horror has elements of thrillers in them. Film-Guy

Thriller is a term coined by film snobs to hide behind the fact that there were horror films they actually enjoyed.

nope

[QUOTE="TheZ3nMan"][QUOTE="blooddemon666"]

Well in movies it isn't too well recieved, but horror books and short stories are fantastic.

Stephen King, Edgar Allen Poe, and H.P. Lovecraft are masters.

blooddemon666

but of course, people don't like to read, so his works get looked over. and any movie based on his work is utter, low-budget trash.

Not all lovecraft movies suck. There are a few good ones, here are some I liked.

In the mouth of madness ( not a true lovecraft movie, but it is very similar and done by john carpenter.)

Re-Animator

Bride of Re-Animator

Beyond Re-Animator

Dagon

From Beyond

the haunted palace

The resurrected

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]Also what is the difference between thriller and horror? Thrillers have elements of horror in them, and horror has elements of thrillers in them. blooddemon666

I think thrillers have more of a psychological aspect. *shrugs*

There are psychological horror movies though.

Not all lovecraft movies suck. There are a few good ones, here are some I liked.

In the mouth of madness ( not a true lovecraft movie, but it is very similar and done by john carpenter.)

Re-Animator

Bride of Re-Animator

Beyond Re-Animator

Dagon

From Beyond

the haunted palace

The resurrected

Film-Guy

I watched a movie called "beyond the wall of sleep" which was absolute trash. it was scary because it was so ****ty

Not to me at all. I don't care at all for 2 hours of primitive violence and senseless destruction, but whatever floats your boat I guess.CrimzonTide

wow you are very ignorant of good horror movies areant you? Do you really think all horror movies are Primitive violence and senseless desturction? Im kind of hoping this is a joke, because nobody can be that uninformed.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Not all lovecraft movies suck. There are a few good ones, here are some I liked.

In the mouth of madness ( not a true lovecraft movie, but it is very similar and done by john carpenter.)

Re-Animator

Bride of Re-Animator

Beyond Re-Animator

Dagon

From Beyond

the haunted palace

The resurrected

blooddemon666

I watched a movie called "beyond the wall of sleep" which was absolute trash. it was scary because it was so ****ty

Dagon is a bit cheesy, the guy who did re animator did it so its not really that scary. From Beyond is one of the best though, so is in the mouth of madness. Check out those 2 and dagon. Lovecraft has not really been done in the best way though, I would love to see a good movie adaptation of the shadow over innsmouth though wouldnt you?

wow you are very ignorant of good horror movies areant you? Do you really think all horror movies are Primitive violence and senseless desturction? Im kind of hoping this is a joke, because nobody can be that uninformed.Film-Guy

[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"]Not to me at all. I don't care at all for 2 hours of primitive violence and senseless destruction, but whatever floats your boat I guess.Film-Guy

wow you are very ignorant of good horror movies areant you? Do you really think all horror movies are Primitive violence and senseless desturction? Im kind of hoping this is a joke, because nobody can be that uninformed.

Dagon is a bit cheesy, the guy who did re animator did it so its not really that scary. From Beyond is one of the best though, so is in the mouth of madness. Check out those 2 and dagon. Lovecraft has not really been done in the best way though, I would love to see a good movie adaptation of the shadow over innsmouth though wouldnt you?

Film-Guy

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]wow you are very ignorant of good horror movies areant you? Do you really think all horror movies are Primitive violence and senseless desturction? Im kind of hoping this is a joke, because nobody can be that uninformed.CrimzonTide

Poltergeist. Not one person dies. No one is even gravely injured. Just creepy stuff that screws with your mind.TheZ3nMan