Is it racist to point out that races have different iq's ?

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#101 Sajo7
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No, a fact cannot be racist. Racism is discrimination based on race. I see no way how stating a simple fact is discriminating a particular race.

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It is never a "simple fact" with IQ tests though. They are pretty controversial.
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#102 jeremiah06
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Its not the knowledge its self but what you do with that knowledge... Whats Your purpose for stating that fact?
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#103 jeremiah06
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Its not the knowledge its self but what you do with that knowledge... Whats Your purpose for stating that fact?
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#104 roosuu
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Individually, you are wrong. However, demographically, you are right.
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#105 soulless4now
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Please don't make any threads in the future.

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#106 gamerguru100
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No race is naturally smarter or dumber than another. Millions of blacks live in poverty, lack basic needs, and don't have quality education, so this will obviously affect intelligence. East Asians aren't smarter just because they're Asian; they're smart because their cultures value education a lot.

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#107 Jacobistheman
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I think that too many people in this thread are trying to ignore the fact that black people, white people, and Asiansare different. Why do you think that black people are way better at foodball, basketball, track, etc and white people are way better at swimming, long distance running, etc. Its because they are different, black people have a higher center of gravity allowing them to sprint faster and jump higher. White people have a lower center of gravity allowing them to swim with less of thier body in the water and have more slow twitch muscle fiber so they run better over long distances.

Why is it so hard for people to believe that genetic difference would lead to differences in IQ also. Intelligence is very genetic and it make sense that groups with different genetics would have a different makeup of their brain, leading to one group being more intelligent (ON AVERAGE) or at least better at what is asked on IQ tests.

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#108 hippiesanta
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I've meet a Bangladesh man who are qualify to be a doctor... and yet he work at the construction site..... sometimes Opportunities >>> I.Q

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#109 SaudiFury
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No race is naturally smarter or dumber than another. Millions of blacks live in poverty, lack basic needs, and don't have quality education, so this will obviously affect intelligence. East Asians aren't smarter just because they're Asian; they're smart because their cultures value education a lot.

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#110 slimjimbadboy
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There's nothing racist about pointing out statistics, that's just relaying facts. What conclusions you derive from those statistics is another storyEJ902

And sadly this took 3 pages.

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#111 bnarmz
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lol,The irony is side spliting. This was probably the dumbest question I've seen on the net in a while. Not only is this obviously inaccurate it wreaks of envy, sterotypes, cowardness, and coach potato mentality .... and it also exposes an even lower IQ for even thinking such a thing. smh. haha
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#112 thebest31406
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No race is naturally smarter or dumber than another. Millions of blacks live in poverty, lack basic needs, and don't have quality education, so this will obviously affect intelligence. East Asians aren't smarter just because they're Asian; they're smart because their cultures value education a lot.

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#113 Obviously_Right
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The way I see it smaller the penis higher the IQ, think about it.

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lmao

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#114 TopTierHustler
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No race is naturally smarter or dumber than another. Millions of blacks live in poverty, lack basic needs, and don't have quality education, so this will obviously affect intelligence. East Asians aren't smarter just because they're Asian; they're smart because their cultures value education a lot.

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Nope

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#115 Marth6781
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I think that too many people in this thread are trying to ignore the fact that black people, white people, and Asiansare different. Why do you think that black people are way better at foodball, basketball, track, etc and white people are way better at swimming, long distance running, etc. Its because they are different, black people have a higher center of gravity allowing them to sprint faster and jump higher. White people have a lower center of gravity allowing them to swim with less of thier body in the water and have more slow twitch muscle fiber so they run better over long distances.

Why is it so hard for people to believe that genetic difference would lead to differences in IQ also. Intelligence is very genetic and it make sense that groups with different genetics would have a different makeup of their brain, leading to one group being more intelligent (ON AVERAGE) or at least better at what is asked on IQ tests.

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Jewish people were known for B-ball way before the stereotype changed to black people.
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#116 Bane_09
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You would be wrong to say some races are more intelligent than others. While testing hs shown many times that whites an asians score higher on IQ TESTS, this does not mean that they any one race is necessarily smarter than one or the other. An IQ test is bassically just testing your ability to take that kind of test. If the test had originated and evolved in say an african american culture it could have very different results.

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#117 SaudiFury
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An IQ test is bassically just testing your ability to take that kind of test. Bane_09
bingo, the primary issue that can be found in most standardized tests.
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#118 Mozelleple112
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Well the average Ethiopian has lower IQ than a normal gorilla, so I can believe it.

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#119 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="Bane_09"] An IQ test is bassically just testing your ability to take that kind of test. SaudiFury
bingo, the primary issue that can be found in most standardized tests.

I hate standardized testing....proves jack sh!t.

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#120 Bane_09
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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Bane_09"] An IQ test is bassically just testing your ability to take that kind of test. wis3boi

bingo, the primary issue that can be found in most standardized tests.

I hate standardized testing....proves jack sh!t.

Mhm, too bad we are all raised to believe our value and intelligence= our letter grades

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#121 thebest31406
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Well the average Ethiopian has lower IQ than a normal gorilla, so I can believe it.

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#122 Strakha
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This is true. Elves are more intelligence than orcs and often have magica bonuses but orcs often get strength bonuses. I usual play with a human character because they often have the most balanced starting attributes.

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#123 Kocelot
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No. It is NOT racist.

Human races/ethnicities are basically the same as Dog breeds.

Why is it okay to measure a dog or cat's personality and ability by their breeds

but not our race?

and yes, Humans are animals(creatures).

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#124 Marth6781
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No. It is NOT racist.

Human races/ethnicities are basically the same as Dog breeds.

Why is it okay to measure a dog or cat's personality and ability by their breeds

but not our race?

and yes, Humans are animals(creatures).

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race is a sociological construct... You cannot compare that to a biological one
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#125 Jacobistheman
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[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

I think that too many people in this thread are trying to ignore the fact that black people, white people, and Asiansare different. Why do you think that black people are way better at foodball, basketball, track, etc and white people are way better at swimming, long distance running, etc. Its because they are different, black people have a higher center of gravity allowing them to sprint faster and jump higher. White people have a lower center of gravity allowing them to swim with less of thier body in the water and have more slow twitch muscle fiber so they run better over long distances.

Why is it so hard for people to believe that genetic difference would lead to differences in IQ also. Intelligence is very genetic and it make sense that groups with different genetics would have a different makeup of their brain, leading to one group being more intelligent (ON AVERAGE) or at least better at what is asked on IQ tests.

Marth6781
Jewish people were known for B-ball way before the stereotype changed to black people.

There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out.
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#126 Marth6781
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

I think that too many people in this thread are trying to ignore the fact that black people, white people, and Asiansare different. Why do you think that black people are way better at foodball, basketball, track, etc and white people are way better at swimming, long distance running, etc. Its because they are different, black people have a higher center of gravity allowing them to sprint faster and jump higher. White people have a lower center of gravity allowing them to swim with less of thier body in the water and have more slow twitch muscle fiber so they run better over long distances.

Why is it so hard for people to believe that genetic difference would lead to differences in IQ also. Intelligence is very genetic and it make sense that groups with different genetics would have a different makeup of their brain, leading to one group being more intelligent (ON AVERAGE) or at least better at what is asked on IQ tests.

Jacobistheman
Jewish people were known for B-ball way before the stereotype changed to black people.

There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out.

It's a cultural thing.
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#127 Jacobistheman
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[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="Marth6781"] Jewish people were known for B-ball way before the stereotype changed to black people.Marth6781
There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out.

It's a cultural thing.

Yeah, its a cultural thing that black people have a higher center of gravity and more fast twitch muscle fiber on average allowing them to run faster and jump higher. I guess it is also a cultural thing that their skin is black.

http://news.discovery.com/human/belly-buttons-sports-athletes.html

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#128 Tylendal
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That's easily a case of correlation instead of causation.
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#129 PernicioEnigma
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I hate these "is... racist?" threads. "Racist" has become such a buzz word in these overly politically correct times. If you know you're a decent person who's only interested in the facts you have nothing to worry about. As far as the example given in the OP, I don't know anything about that, so no comment.
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#130 PernicioEnigma
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That's easily a case of correlation instead of causation.Tylendal

How is it easily a case of correlation not causation? Sure, there are lots of factors which effect intelligence, but don't be so quick to rule out race.

If it's true there's a genetic link to intelligence then it's likely there's going to be intelligence disparities between the different races because of the different traits valued by different cultures. Intelligence would have a better chance of propagating in some societies while other, poorer nations which rely on farming and hunting will favor traits which make good farmers and hunters.

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#131 PernicioEnigma
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out. Jacobistheman

It's a cultural thing.

Yeah, its a cultural thing that black people have a higher center of gravity and more fast twitch muscle fiber on average allowing them to run faster and jump higher. I guess it is also a cultural thing that their skin is black.

http://news.discovery.com/human/belly-buttons-sports-athletes.html

This ties in nicely to what I was saying.
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#132 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out. Jacobistheman

It's a cultural thing.

Yeah, its a cultural thing that black people have a higher center of gravity and more fast twitch muscle fiber on average allowing them to run faster and jump higher. I guess it is also a cultural thing that their skin is black.

http://news.discovery.com/human/belly-buttons-sports-athletes.html

The Lithuanians. Spaniards and the Russians are some of the best in the world when it comes to B-ball. How do you explain that?
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#133 greenskittles
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The way I see it smaller the penis higher the IQ, think about it.

Grandotaku

I'm asian and I failed to get into university. What's your speculation on my penis size?

P.S. According to a i09 link Asians have a few per cent more neanderthal genetic relations than Europeans whilst Africans have absoloutely zero. I thought Neanderthals were suppose to be dumb?

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#134 bnarmz
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The propensity of man never ceases to amaze me. Trying to turn opinions into facts by relaying other peoples opinions is a telling account of.well, do I need to go any further? smh,and lol
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#135 lonewolfman10
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That is very racist to say

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#136 Chris_Williams
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its not racist but its not fair, you got races that were enslaved and were discouraged to learn how to read and write.

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#137 N30F3N1X
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Enunciating statistical data is racism?

Humanity is doomed.

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#138 DiIIasDonuts
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The opinions in this topic are frightening. There is no proof to support this claim. African-Americans would only have lower IQ's on average because of their upbringing being on average being closer to lower class than whites or Asians. The implication that their IQ is lower as a result of their race is definitely racist. If you were to put thousands of children of all races in the same exact environment, with the same exact teachers, and same parental personalities and education, I believe you would find, they're all the same on average. Their environment shapes their IQ, not their skin color.
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#139 DeathCl0ck
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Listen, intelligence is mostly based off of environmental factors anyway. And IQ tests are not a very substantial measurement of intelligence in this regard. I would hope that most of you know that the human brain is more complected then a simple test can measure.

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#140 DeathCl0ck
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Listen, intelligence is mostly based off of environmental factors anyway. And IQ tests are not a very substantial measurement of intelligence in this regard. I would hope that most of you know that the human brain is more complected then a simple test can measure.

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#141 DeathCl0ck
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Listen, intelligence is mostly based off of environmental factors anyway. And IQ tests are not a very substantial measurement of intelligence in this regard. I would hope that most of you know that the human brain is more complected then a simple test can measure.

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#142 MikeMoose
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Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.

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#143 mingmao3046
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Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.

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So pointing out facts is racist?
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#144 DiIIasDonuts
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[QUOTE="MikeMoose"]

Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.

mingmao3046
So pointing out facts is racist?

yes, because the IQ results aren't determined by their skin color, but their environment. It's the same reason the average IQ in Sweden is higher than in a place like Iraq. Classifying anything by race would be racist.
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[QUOTE="MikeMoose"]

Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.

mingmao3046

So pointing out facts is racist?

yes, when reality hurts people's feelings.

We can't have any hurt feelings now :'(

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#146 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.

MikeMoose

Where in his post is he discriminating or being prejudiced?

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="MikeMoose"]

Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.

DiIIasDonuts
So pointing out facts is racist?

yes, because the IQ results aren't determined by their skin color, but their environment. It's the same reason the average IQ in Sweden is higher than in a place like Iraq. Classifying anything by race would be racist.

I didnt say they were determined by skin color. It's still a fact. just like blacks commit more crime than whites. Im not saying it's because they are black, but they still do, it's still a fact, and it isn't racist to simply point it out
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#148 TopTierHustler
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[QUOTE="DiIIasDonuts"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] So pointing out facts is racist?mingmao3046
yes, because the IQ results aren't determined by their skin color, but their environment. It's the same reason the average IQ in Sweden is higher than in a place like Iraq. Classifying anything by race would be racist.

I didnt say they were determined by skin color. It's still a fact. just like blacks commit more crime than whites. Im not saying it's because they are black, but they still do, it's still a fact, and it isn't racist to simply point it out

This study suggests that he's wrong and that intelligence is mainly genetic.

Here come the tears :'(

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#149 KHAndAnime
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It's obviously a social/cultural issue and not a genetic one. It's plain as day. On average, Asians put more effort towards their education, so obviously on average they would be more educated.
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#150 TopTierHustler
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It's obviously a social/cultural issue and not a genetic one. It's plain as day. On average, Asians put more effort towards their education, so obviously on average they would be more educated.KHAndAnime
Education is not the same thing as intelligence.