It is never a "simple fact" with IQ tests though. They are pretty controversial.No, a fact cannot be racist. Racism is discrimination based on race. I see no way how stating a simple fact is discriminating a particular race.
ninedot
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No race is naturally smarter or dumber than another. Millions of blacks live in poverty, lack basic needs, and don't have quality education, so this will obviously affect intelligence. East Asians aren't smarter just because they're Asian; they're smart because their cultures value education a lot.
I think that too many people in this thread are trying to ignore the fact that black people, white people, and Asiansare different. Why do you think that black people are way better at foodball, basketball, track, etc and white people are way better at swimming, long distance running, etc. Its because they are different, black people have a higher center of gravity allowing them to sprint faster and jump higher. White people have a lower center of gravity allowing them to swim with less of thier body in the water and have more slow twitch muscle fiber so they run better over long distances.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that genetic difference would lead to differences in IQ also. Intelligence is very genetic and it make sense that groups with different genetics would have a different makeup of their brain, leading to one group being more intelligent (ON AVERAGE) or at least better at what is asked on IQ tests.
I've meet a Bangladesh man who are qualify to be a doctor... and yet he work at the construction site..... sometimes Opportunities >>> I.Q
If i could hand out special brownies, i'd give him one...No race is naturally smarter or dumber than another. Millions of blacks live in poverty, lack basic needs, and don't have quality education, so this will obviously affect intelligence. East Asians aren't smarter just because they're Asian; they're smart because their cultures value education a lot.
gamerguru100
There's nothing racist about pointing out statistics, that's just relaying facts. What conclusions you derive from those statistics is another storyEJ902
And sadly this took 3 pages.
No race is naturally smarter or dumber than another. Millions of blacks live in poverty, lack basic needs, and don't have quality education, so this will obviously affect intelligence. East Asians aren't smarter just because they're Asian; they're smart because their cultures value education a lot.
gamerguru100
NopeNo race is naturally smarter or dumber than another. Millions of blacks live in poverty, lack basic needs, and don't have quality education, so this will obviously affect intelligence. East Asians aren't smarter just because they're Asian; they're smart because their cultures value education a lot.
gamerguru100
Jewish people were known for B-ball way before the stereotype changed to black people.I think that too many people in this thread are trying to ignore the fact that black people, white people, and Asiansare different. Why do you think that black people are way better at foodball, basketball, track, etc and white people are way better at swimming, long distance running, etc. Its because they are different, black people have a higher center of gravity allowing them to sprint faster and jump higher. White people have a lower center of gravity allowing them to swim with less of thier body in the water and have more slow twitch muscle fiber so they run better over long distances.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that genetic difference would lead to differences in IQ also. Intelligence is very genetic and it make sense that groups with different genetics would have a different makeup of their brain, leading to one group being more intelligent (ON AVERAGE) or at least better at what is asked on IQ tests.
Jacobistheman
You would be wrong to say some races are more intelligent than others. While testing hs shown many times that whites an asians score higher on IQ TESTS, this does not mean that they any one race is necessarily smarter than one or the other. An IQ test is bassically just testing your ability to take that kind of test. If the test had originated and evolved in say an african american culture it could have very different results.
bingo, the primary issue that can be found in most standardized tests.[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Bane_09"] An IQ test is bassically just testing your ability to take that kind of test. wis3boi
I hate standardized testing....proves jack sh!t.
Mhm, too bad we are all raised to believe our value and intelligence= our letter grades
Wow, It won't be long before you're banned.Well the average Ethiopian has lower IQ than a normal gorilla, so I can believe it.
Mozelleple112
race is a sociological construct... You cannot compare that to a biological oneNo. It is NOT racist.
Human races/ethnicities are basically the same as Dog breeds.
Why is it okay to measure a dog or cat's personality and ability by their breeds
but not our race?
and yes, Humans are animals(creatures).
Kocelot
[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]Jewish people were known for B-ball way before the stereotype changed to black people. There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out.I think that too many people in this thread are trying to ignore the fact that black people, white people, and Asiansare different. Why do you think that black people are way better at foodball, basketball, track, etc and white people are way better at swimming, long distance running, etc. Its because they are different, black people have a higher center of gravity allowing them to sprint faster and jump higher. White people have a lower center of gravity allowing them to swim with less of thier body in the water and have more slow twitch muscle fiber so they run better over long distances.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that genetic difference would lead to differences in IQ also. Intelligence is very genetic and it make sense that groups with different genetics would have a different makeup of their brain, leading to one group being more intelligent (ON AVERAGE) or at least better at what is asked on IQ tests.
Marth6781
[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]Jewish people were known for B-ball way before the stereotype changed to black people. There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out. It's a cultural thing.I think that too many people in this thread are trying to ignore the fact that black people, white people, and Asiansare different. Why do you think that black people are way better at foodball, basketball, track, etc and white people are way better at swimming, long distance running, etc. Its because they are different, black people have a higher center of gravity allowing them to sprint faster and jump higher. White people have a lower center of gravity allowing them to swim with less of thier body in the water and have more slow twitch muscle fiber so they run better over long distances.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that genetic difference would lead to differences in IQ also. Intelligence is very genetic and it make sense that groups with different genetics would have a different makeup of their brain, leading to one group being more intelligent (ON AVERAGE) or at least better at what is asked on IQ tests.
Jacobistheman
[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="Marth6781"] Jewish people were known for B-ball way before the stereotype changed to black people.Marth6781There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out. It's a cultural thing. Yeah, its a cultural thing that black people have a higher center of gravity and more fast twitch muscle fiber on average allowing them to run faster and jump higher. I guess it is also a cultural thing that their skin is black.
http://news.discovery.com/human/belly-buttons-sports-athletes.html
That's easily a case of correlation instead of causation.Tylendal
How is it easily a case of correlation not causation? Sure, there are lots of factors which effect intelligence, but don't be so quick to rule out race.
If it's true there's a genetic link to intelligence then it's likely there's going to be intelligence disparities between the different races because of the different traits valued by different cultures. Intelligence would have a better chance of propagating in some societies while other, poorer nations which rely on farming and hunting will favor traits which make good farmers and hunters.
It's a cultural thing. Yeah, its a cultural thing that black people have a higher center of gravity and more fast twitch muscle fiber on average allowing them to run faster and jump higher. I guess it is also a cultural thing that their skin is black.[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out. Jacobistheman
http://news.discovery.com/human/belly-buttons-sports-athletes.html
This ties in nicely to what I was saying.It's a cultural thing. Yeah, its a cultural thing that black people have a higher center of gravity and more fast twitch muscle fiber on average allowing them to run faster and jump higher. I guess it is also a cultural thing that their skin is black.[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] There are anatomical reasons that the average black person is better at basketball than the average white person. The reason that Jewish people were know for being good at basketball is because basketball became popular in the Jewish culture before it became mainstream so everyone who played a lot was Jewish, once it got popular and everyone started playing it, black people started to stand out. Jacobistheman
http://news.discovery.com/human/belly-buttons-sports-athletes.html
The Lithuanians. Spaniards and the Russians are some of the best in the world when it comes to B-ball. How do you explain that?The way I see it smaller the penis higher the IQ, think about it.
Grandotaku
I'm asian and I failed to get into university. What's your speculation on my penis size?
P.S. According to a i09 link Asians have a few per cent more neanderthal genetic relations than Europeans whilst Africans have absoloutely zero. I thought Neanderthals were suppose to be dumb?
its not racist but its not fair, you got races that were enslaved and were discouraged to learn how to read and write.
Listen, intelligence is mostly based off of environmental factors anyway. And IQ tests are not a very substantial measurement of intelligence in this regard. I would hope that most of you know that the human brain is more complected then a simple test can measure.
Listen, intelligence is mostly based off of environmental factors anyway. And IQ tests are not a very substantial measurement of intelligence in this regard. I would hope that most of you know that the human brain is more complected then a simple test can measure.
Listen, intelligence is mostly based off of environmental factors anyway. And IQ tests are not a very substantial measurement of intelligence in this regard. I would hope that most of you know that the human brain is more complected then a simple test can measure.
So pointing out facts is racist?Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.
MikeMoose
[QUOTE="MikeMoose"]So pointing out facts is racist? yes, because the IQ results aren't determined by their skin color, but their environment. It's the same reason the average IQ in Sweden is higher than in a place like Iraq. Classifying anything by race would be racist.Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.
mingmao3046
[QUOTE="MikeMoose"]So pointing out facts is racist?yes, when reality hurts people's feelings.Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.
mingmao3046
We can't have any hurt feelings now :'(
Well the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.
MikeMoose
Where in his post is he discriminating or being prejudiced?
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="MikeMoose"]So pointing out facts is racist? yes, because the IQ results aren't determined by their skin color, but their environment. It's the same reason the average IQ in Sweden is higher than in a place like Iraq. Classifying anything by race would be racist.I didnt say they were determined by skin color. It's still a fact. just like blacks commit more crime than whites. Im not saying it's because they are black, but they still do, it's still a fact, and it isn't racist to simply point it outWell the definition of racism is "Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.". So by definition, yes, that is textbook racism lol.
DiIIasDonuts
[QUOTE="DiIIasDonuts"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] So pointing out facts is racist?mingmao3046yes, because the IQ results aren't determined by their skin color, but their environment. It's the same reason the average IQ in Sweden is higher than in a place like Iraq. Classifying anything by race would be racist.I didnt say they were determined by skin color. It's still a fact. just like blacks commit more crime than whites. Im not saying it's because they are black, but they still do, it's still a fact, and it isn't racist to simply point it outThis study suggests that he's wrong and that intelligence is mainly genetic.
Here come the tears :'(
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