Is it wrong to eat meat?

[QUOTE="miss_kitt3n"]What kind of meat are you talking 'bout?Def_Jef88

Why does that matter?

Some people like a good steak but hate pork... 

to the OP, read Genesis 3 and Romans 14skreetpreacha

Is it wrong for man to fly?

I don't think it should be done. Consuming sentient life for another senient life to exist...It's the easiest source of protein, so from a nutritional perspective, sure, it's good for you. I also don't think that we should continue with our livestock and farming techniques. Something is a bit off about the whole thing, I just can't lay my finger on it...BranKetra

So you are pro-famine?

For guys, yes it is very wrong. Girls on the other hand...every girl should eat meat.Gaming4_Life

[QUOTE="Gaming4_Life"]For guys, yes it is very wrong. Girls on the other hand...every girl should eat meat.Scn64

[QUOTE="Scn64"][QUOTE="Gaming4_Life"]For guys, yes it is very wrong. Girls on the other hand...every girl should eat meat.Nerfing

  hehe so ironic coming form the guy with the spanish inquistion avatar :lol:

Hell no. Animals eat each other all day. Why in the hell cant we eat them? Because of some religion or stupid sympathy for them? We are creatures of this planet just as much as they are. daniel52587

Animals don't raise other living creatures in farms, torturing them and injecting them with unatural things for money. Once again, people have evolved into a SMARTER race then any other living creature and we can't just say ignorant things like "i dont think its wrong, meat is good" and "is it wrong to eat children?" (as funny as that was) I mean, if you are for it, at least know what you are saying you kids sound so ignorant.

and for the people saying until we find more ways to supply our bodies with the nutrients...FIRST off, we have..there are many other foods that people can eat, and there are protein pills..etc. SECOND off, and more importantly, humans dont NEED meat. Its a luxury. We dont need it to live, and we are fine without it. I have been vegetarian for 8+ years and I'm 100% fine and I just recently started taking protein pills.

No. Meat provides protein and iron and vitamins and minerals and tastes absolutely delicious, whether you eat it with salt and pepper as a huge rare steak or chop it up to add texture to another dish.

Other products can replicate the nutritional benefits of meat (and it is possible to eat too much meat, just as it's possible to eat too much of ANYTHING), but nothing can duplicate the taste and texture. Meat is too **bleep**ing delicious not to eat.

Why would it be wrong? Animals eat animals for food. We are an animal, we eat other animals. It is natural.Wasdie

[QUOTE="daniel52587"]Hell no. Animals eat each other all day. Why in the hell cant we eat them? Because of some religion or stupid sympathy for them? We are creatures of this planet just as much as they are. Squidney

Animals don't raise other living creatures in farms, torturing them and injecting them with unatural things for money.

  And if they didn't farm those animals they would be extinct. Farms keep them preserved. You rarely see those animals in the wild because they wouldn't be able to survive in the wild.

  And no, we aren't that smart, we are dumb. We just assume we're smart because words come out of mouths and we can communicate with symbols. So we can speak and read, but it never makes up for our infiniate stupidity. People don't care about knowledge. People want wealth and power. And who can blame them? The two are the only things in this world that are of any real significance. People are mercenaries not humanitarians

  Let me put it another way.. I don't kill other people not only because I feel it's unnecessary I also don't desire a trip to jail, and many other people are the same way, but if it's necessary and justified it's just like swating a fly. Everything dies, so it really doesn't matter how, where, why or when. There's justified and unjustified other than that no one really cares. Knowing this.. do you really think the majority of people really care about the lively hood of animals?

Yes.

Leonardo is waiting for you carniverous foolz.

I've been a vegetarian for my whole life. I've never eaten meat. No doubt that makes me "crazy" or "irrational". I don't belive it's wrong to eat meat, that would be  ridiculous and false, but my problem lies with how humans obtain our meat, through factories, production lines, converyer belt, and grinders, with thousans of animals bred in cages and boxes killed at a time, bred simply to be food for some fat kid. That's my problem with it.ithilgore2006

  Well.. processing plants are businesses, they don't give a damn about the animals, their concern is volume and profit. I don't condone the way they treat the animals, but the only way to change that would be legal action. Not asking stupid questions and arguing like morons. Asking stupid questions and arguing like morons never change nor fixed anything. Especially since we don't make the regulations nor run a processing plant.

  Here's some frustrating truth. Most people don't have respect for anything. So if Somone doesn't make laws or regulations to prevent or dissuade all of the A-holes from being A-holes they will continue to be A-holes because they can and they don't care.

  Factorys have about a bjjion regulations because if the supervisors could get away with it they would abuse the workers. They have in the past and they still do. That's why we have regulations and unions, because the people were abused in the past. So if employers don't care about humans  why would they care about animals? You're asking them to respect the animals when they don't respect their own employees. They only care about production, not any living thing. Minimum wage exists because if it didn't they would pay their workers a dime an hour with no breaks. If child labor laws didn't exist ten year old kids would be on their employment roster.

  You must understand something about business ethic. The only ethics in business are profit, cuttback, production and quota.

  Again, this is a legal matter, so there is no reason to go back and forth with "oh yeahs" and "what ifs". Like we don't know. You're wasting thought and time because they DON'T care. It goes in one ear and out the other. They know how you feel and what you desire, but.. they DON'T care.

  How does one change the mind of another if the other person doesn't care? You can't because they aren't listening. They don't care how wrong their methods might be, because the legal system condones their practice. The world doesn't consist of right or wrong. It consists of legal and legal doesn't mean ethical.

[QUOTE="Squidney"]

[QUOTE="daniel52587"]Hell no. Animals eat each other all day. Why in the hell cant we eat them? Because of some religion or stupid sympathy for them? We are creatures of this planet just as much as they are. MagnumPI

Animals don't raise other living creatures in farms, torturing them and injecting them with unatural things for money.

And if they didn't farm those animals they would be extinct. Farms keep them preserved. You rarely see those animals in the wild because they wouldn't be able to survive in the wild.

And no, we aren't that smart, we are dumb. We just assume we're smart because words come out of mouths and we can communicate with symbols. So we can speak and read, but it never makes up for our infiniate stupidity. People don't care about knowledge. People want wealth and power. And who can blame them? The two are the only things in this world that are of any real significance. People are mercenaries not humanitarians

Let me put it another way.. I don't kill other people not only because I feel it's unnecessary I also don't desire a trip to jail, and many other people are the same way, but if it's necessary and justified it's just like swating a fly. Everything dies, so it really doesn't matter how, where, why or when. There's justified and unjustified other than that no one really cares. Knowing this.. do you really think the majority of people really care about the lively hood of animals?

 I see what you are saying, but the question wasn't if i think people care. the question was if it  right or wrong. IMO it isn't wrong to eat meat but the factory farms that majority of the people support are. So, humans classify themselves as superior when convenient but when it makes them look bad, its because we are nothing but animals..thats just ridiculous to me. So we are doing them a favor by keeping them alive because without us they'd be extinct??? I can guarantee you that if they had the choice they would rather be extinct then to be raised in those farms. . I understand the way most people think, and i think its disgusting. Maybe you can see what they do to those animals as swatting a fly but I cant. And I guess thats what it all comes down to, some people can be content in their ignorance and some cant.

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]I've been a vegetarian for my whole life. I've never eaten meat. No doubt that makes me "crazy" or "irrational". I don't belive it's wrong to eat meat, that would be ridiculous and false, but my problem lies with how humans obtain our meat, through factories, production lines, converyer belt, and grinders, with thousans of animals bred in cages and boxes killed at a time, bred simply to be food for some fat kid. That's my problem with it.MagnumPI

Well.. processing plants are businesses, they don't give a damn about the animals, their concern is volume and profit. I don't condone the way they treat the animals, but the only way to change that would be legal action. Not asking stupid questions and arguing like morons. Asking stupid questions and arguing like morons never change nor fixed anything. Especially since we don't make the regulations nor run a processing plant.

Here's some frustrating truth. Most people don't have respect for anything. So if Somone doesn't make laws or regulations to prevent or dissuade all of the A-holes from being A-holes they will continue to be A-holes because they can and they don't care.

Factorys have about a bjjion regulations because if the supervisors could get away with it they would abuse the workers. They have in the past and they still do. That's why we have regulations and unions, because the people were abused in the past. So if employers don't care about humans why would they care about animals? You're asking them to respect the animals when they don't respect their own employees. They only care about production, not any living thing. Minimum wage exists because if it didn't they would pay their workers a dime an hour with no breaks. If child labor laws didn't exist ten year old kids would be on their employment roster.

You must understand something about business ethic. The only ethics in business are profit, cuttback, production and quota.

Again, this is a legal matter, so there is no reason to go back and forth with "oh yeahs" and "what ifs". Like we don't know. You're wasting thought and time because they DON'T care. It goes in one ear and out the other. They know how you feel and what you desire, but.. they DON'T care.

How does one change the mind of another if the other person doesn't care? You can't because they aren't listening. They don't care how wrong their methods might be, because the legal system condones their practice. The world doesn't consist of right or wrong. It consists of legal and legal doesn't mean ethical.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]I've been a vegetarian for my whole life. I've never eaten meat. No doubt that makes me "crazy" or "irrational". I don't belive it's wrong to eat meat, that would be ridiculous and false, but my problem lies with how humans obtain our meat, through factories, production lines, converyer belt, and grinders, with thousans of animals bred in cages and boxes killed at a time, bred simply to be food for some fat kid. That's my problem with it.ithilgore2006

Well.. processing plants are businesses, they don't give a damn about the animals, their concern is volume and profit. I don't condone the way they treat the animals, but the only way to change that would be legal action. Not asking stupid questions and arguing like morons. Asking stupid questions and arguing like morons never change nor fixed anything. Especially since we don't make the regulations nor run a processing plant.

Here's some frustrating truth. Most people don't have respect for anything. So if Somone doesn't make laws or regulations to prevent or dissuade all of the A-holes from being A-holes they will continue to be A-holes because they can and they don't care.

Factorys have about a bjjion regulations because if the supervisors could get away with it they would abuse the workers. They have in the past and they still do. That's why we have regulations and unions, because the people were abused in the past. So if employers don't care about humans why would they care about animals? You're asking them to respect the animals when they don't respect their own employees. They only care about production, not any living thing. Minimum wage exists because if it didn't they would pay their workers a dime an hour with no breaks. If child labor laws didn't exist ten year old kids would be on their employment roster.

You must understand something about business ethic. The only ethics in business are profit, cuttback, production and quota.

Again, this is a legal matter, so there is no reason to go back and forth with "oh yeahs" and "what ifs". Like we don't know. You're wasting thought and time because they DON'T care. It goes in one ear and out the other. They know how you feel and what you desire, but.. they DON'T care.

How does one change the mind of another if the other person doesn't care? You can't because they aren't listening. They don't care how wrong their methods might be, because the legal system condones their practice. The world doesn't consist of right or wrong. It consists of legal and legal doesn't mean ethical.

Just because the people in charge are bigger, richer and stronger then you doesn't mean you should just say F*** It and support it. how strong dos that make you? I am happy with MYSELF for not supporting it, and it does make a difference. Its not going to stop it completely but for every piece of meat you dont purchase, the sales go down and when sales go down, company produce less, obviously. You're right, legal doesn't mean ethical but times change because people stand up for what they believe in, and most of the time the people that were against it, where just ignorant.So you can think whatever you want but I would like to be optimistic and productive with my life and if I think something is wrong, I'm going to stand up for what I believe is right and if somebody asks why I'm doing it, I'm going to tell them.

Okay, you realize discussing it is futile, but you wish to anyway. :lol:MagnumPI

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]I've been a vegetarian for my whole life. I've never eaten meat. No doubt that makes me "crazy" or "irrational". I don't belive it's wrong to eat meat, that would be ridiculous and false, but my problem lies with how humans obtain our meat, through factories, production lines, converyer belt, and grinders, with thousans of animals bred in cages and boxes killed at a time, bred simply to be food for some fat kid. That's my problem with it.Squidney

Well.. processing plants are businesses, they don't give a damn about the animals, their concern is volume and profit. I don't condone the way they treat the animals, but the only way to change that would be legal action. Not asking stupid questions and arguing like morons. Asking stupid questions and arguing like morons never change nor fixed anything. Especially since we don't make the regulations nor run a processing plant.

Here's some frustrating truth. Most people don't have respect for anything. So if Somone doesn't make laws or regulations to prevent or dissuade all of the A-holes from being A-holes they will continue to be A-holes because they can and they don't care.

Factorys have about a bjjion regulations because if the supervisors could get away with it they would abuse the workers. They have in the past and they still do. That's why we have regulations and unions, because the people were abused in the past. So if employers don't care about humans why would they care about animals? You're asking them to respect the animals when they don't respect their own employees. They only care about production, not any living thing. Minimum wage exists because if it didn't they would pay their workers a dime an hour with no breaks. If child labor laws didn't exist ten year old kids would be on their employment roster.

You must understand something about business ethic. The only ethics in business are profit, cuttback, production and quota.

Again, this is a legal matter, so there is no reason to go back and forth with "oh yeahs" and "what ifs". Like we don't know. You're wasting thought and time because they DON'T care. It goes in one ear and out the other. They know how you feel and what you desire, but.. they DON'T care.

How does one change the mind of another if the other person doesn't care? You can't because they aren't listening. They don't care how wrong their methods might be, because the legal system condones their practice. The world doesn't consist of right or wrong. It consists of legal and legal doesn't mean ethical.

Just because the people in charge are bigger, richer and stronger then you doesn't mean you should just say F*** It and support it. how strong dos that make you? I am happy with MYSELF for not supporting it, and it does make a difference. Its not going to stop it completely but for every piece of meat you dont purchase, the sales go down and when sales go down, company produce less, obviously. You're right, legal doesn't mean ethical but times change because people stand up for what they believe in, and most of the time the people that were against it, where just ignorant.So you can think whatever you want but I would like to be optimistic and productive with my life and if I think something is wrong, I'm going to stand up for what I believe is right and if somebody asks why I'm doing it, I'm going to tell them.

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]I've been a vegetarian for my whole life. I've never eaten meat. No doubt that makes me "crazy" or "irrational". I don't belive it's wrong to eat meat, that would be ridiculous and false, but my problem lies with how humans obtain our meat, through factories, production lines, converyer belt, and grinders, with thousans of animals bred in cages and boxes killed at a time, bred simply to be food for some fat kid. That's my problem with it.Squidney

Well.. processing plants are businesses, they don't give a damn about the animals, their concern is volume and profit. I don't condone the way they treat the animals, but the only way to change that would be legal action. Not asking stupid questions and arguing like morons. Asking stupid questions and arguing like morons never change nor fixed anything. Especially since we don't make the regulations nor run a processing plant.

Here's some frustrating truth. Most people don't have respect for anything. So if Somone doesn't make laws or regulations to prevent or dissuade all of the A-holes from being A-holes they will continue to be A-holes because they can and they don't care.

Factorys have about a bjjion regulations because if the supervisors could get away with it they would abuse the workers. They have in the past and they still do. That's why we have regulations and unions, because the people were abused in the past. So if employers don't care about humans why would they care about animals? You're asking them to respect the animals when they don't respect their own employees. They only care about production, not any living thing. Minimum wage exists because if it didn't they would pay their workers a dime an hour with no breaks. If child labor laws didn't exist ten year old kids would be on their employment roster.

You must understand something about business ethic. The only ethics in business are profit, cuttback, production and quota.

Again, this is a legal matter, so there is no reason to go back and forth with "oh yeahs" and "what ifs". Like we don't know. You're wasting thought and time because they DON'T care. It goes in one ear and out the other. They know how you feel and what you desire, but.. they DON'T care.

How does one change the mind of another if the other person doesn't care? You can't because they aren't listening. They don't care how wrong their methods might be, because the legal system condones their practice. The world doesn't consist of right or wrong. It consists of legal and legal doesn't mean ethical.

Just because the people in charge are bigger, richer and stronger then you doesn't mean you should just say F*** It and support it. how strong dos that make you? I am happy with MYSELF for not supporting it, and it does make a difference. Its not going to stop it completely but for every piece of meat you dont purchase, the sales go down and when sales go down, company produce less, obviously. You're right, legal doesn't mean ethical but times change because people stand up for what they believe in, and most of the time the people that were against it, where just ignorant.So you can think whatever you want but I would like to be optimistic and productive with my life and if I think something is wrong, I'm going to stand up for what I believe is right and if somebody asks why I'm doing it, I'm going to tell them.

  You don't buy meat directly from the plant. Distributors do worldwide. Such as grocers and restaurants. The demand is never low. A lot meat is wasted by resuraunts and grocers but they don't care, because the prices they get for the volume they buy they can afford to throw half of it away and they rarely do. The mark up on meat is high because it's quickly perishable. Nothing but Delis and Steakhouses everywhere with plenty of room for competition. 

  Boycotters are no threat. The only progress you could ever make would be to cause resturaunts or delis to lose some profits on meat related sales. Maybe put one out of business because it can't compete (which is a pipe dream anyway) but another franchiser or up and comer will replace it. You'll never hurt the big guy only a few of the millions of little guys.

  Boycotting has and always will be a futile feeble desprate attempt to stop something. Time will go on and people will realize nothing has changed and their efforts have wasted several years of their lives.

  If you think eating meat is wrong then don't eat meat. But don't think you can knock down a building with a tack hammer.

Although some historians and anthropologists say that man is historically omnivorous, our anatomical equipment ­ teeth, jaws, and digestive system ­ favors a fleshless diet. The American Dietetic Association notes that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian diets."

And much of the world still lives that way. Even on most industrialized countries, the love affair with meat is less than a hundred years old. It started with the refrigerator car and the twentieth-century consumer society. But even with the twentieth century, man's body hasn't adapted to eating meat. The prominent Swedish scientist Karl von Linne states, "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food." The chart below compares the anatomy of man with that of carnivorous and herbivorous animals.

When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat.

Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly

Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat

Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.

Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)

Clearly if humans were meant to eat meat we wouldn't have so many crucial ingestive/digestive similarities with animals that are herbivores.

Many people ask me, "If we weren't supposed to eat meat than why do we?". It is because we are conditioned to eat meat. Also, the ADA (American Dietetic Association) tells us that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on a vegetarian or Lacto-ovo vegetarian diet.

A popular statement that meat eaters say is; "In the wild, animals kill other animals for food. It's nature." First of all, we are not in the wild. Secondly, we can easily live without eating meat and killing, not to mention we'd be healthier. And finally, as I have already shown, we weren't meant to eat meat. Meat and seafood putrefies within 4 hours after consumption and the remnants cling to the walls of the stomach and intestines for 3-4 days or longer than if a person is constipated. Furthermore, the reaction of saliva in humans is more alkaline, whereas in the case of flesh-eating or preying animals, it is clearly acidic. The alkaline saliva does not act properly on meat.

The final point I would like to make on how we as humans were not meant to eat meat is this. All omnivorous and carnivorous animals eat their meat raw. When a lion kills an herbivore for food, it tears right into the stomach area to eat the organs that are filled with blood (nutrients). While eating the stomach, liver, intestine, etc., the lion laps the blood in the process of eating the dead animals flesh. Even bears that are omnivores eat salmon raw. However, eating raw or bloody meat disgust us as humans. Therefore, we must cook it and season it to buffer the taste of flesh.

If a deer is burned in a forest fire, a carnivorous animal will NOT eat its flesh. Even circus lions have to be feed raw meat so that they will not starve to death. If humans were truly meant to eat meat, then we would eat all of our meat raw and bloody. The thought of eating such meat makes one's stomach turn. This is my point on how we as humans are conditioned to believe that animal flesh is good for us and that we were meant to consume it for survival and health purposes. If we are true carnivores or omnivores, cooking our meat and seasoning it with salt, ketchup, or tabasco sauce would disguise and we as humans would refuse to eat our meat in this form.

Then boycott it. I wouldn't glamorize or glorify it by calling productive. More like wasting time. The boycotting can't compete with the demand.

You don't buy meat directly from the plant. Distributors do worldwide. Such as grocers and restaurants. The demand is never low. A lot meat is wasted by resuraunts and grocers but they don't care, because the prices they get for the volume they buy they can afford to throw half of it away and they rarely do. The mark up on meat is high because it's quickly perishable. Nothing but Delis and Steakhouses everywhere with plenty of room for competition.

Boycotters are no threat. The only progress you could ever make would be to cause resturaunts or delis to lose some profits on meat related sales. Maybe put one out of business because it can't compete (which is a pipe dream anyway) but another franchiser or up and comer will replace it. You'll never hurt the big guy only a few of the millions of little guys.

Boycotting has and always will be a futile feeble desprate attempt to stop something. Time will go on and people will realize nothing has changed and their efforts have wasted several years of their lives.

If you think eating meat is wrong then don't eat meat. But don't think you can knock down a building with a tack hammer.

MagnumPI

did you even read what i said? i never mentioned boycott...so you're arguing with yourself. and not making much of a difference at that because AS I said before its not going to change everything. but I'm doing it for myself and if someone wants to know why then i will tell them. And for the record, making a change doesn't mean stopping delis and stakehouses, it means making changes in the factories so that the animals are treated better and conditions aren't as bad. which was my arguement in the first place. This is achieved all the time because people stand up for what is right and create investagation and knowledge spreadingorganizations.