Is smoking marijuana a victimless crime?

[QUOTE="mVolta"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="mVolta"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]No, it isn't. And :lol: at "most musicians and artists have done it."desol89

yea most of the good ones that is/ jimi hendrix. THE BEATLES, pink floyd, the doors, sorry but drugged out musicians usually leads to good music. except if ur courtney love

Okay, you named 4 musicians/bands, whereas there are thousands upon thousands who do not use drugs and are far better. Please.:roll:

yea probly the most influencial bands of the last 20-30 years. here watch this llol http://youtube.com/watch?v=xRkA6zugNMQ

and pls what are these BETTER bands u speak of??

i am against drug use myself, but im not gonna lie, whenever i get interested in a new rock band whenever i reseach them i always find out they've experimented with drugs. and pretty much each of my favorite musicians/bands did em, namely the chili peppers (frusciante was practically ready to die) and hendrix. im not a gigantic beatles fan but everyone knows their success and they sure did em. the who- keith moon is one of the greatest drummers of all time and he did em as well (horse tranquilizers for that matter). im not gonna name others cuz if i did id only be speculating, but im sure tons and tons of them have.

of the bands i really like the only one i know of that i dont THINK have done em is coldplay

Don't at least wanna experience what these wonderful people have all done?? To see for yourself if its really THAT good or not? That was my main motivation for doing it... seeing what all the fuss was about...

The only victims of marijuana use are those with the crushed egos, obtained simply because they were incapable of forming a rational argument against what is a harmless drug.tibicina

It isn't harmless. Any form of smoke inhalation is bad for your lungs.

i am against drug use myself, but im not gonna lie, whenever i get interested in a new rock band whenever i reseach them i always find out they've experimented with drugs. and pretty much each of my favorite musicians/bands did em, namely the chili peppers (frusciante was practically ready to die) and hendrix. im not a gigantic beatles fan but everyone knows their success and they sure did em. the who- keith moon is one of the greatest drummers of all time and he did em as well (horse tranquilizers for that matter). im not gonna name others cuz if i did id only be speculating, but im sure tons and tons of them have.

of the bands i really like the only one i know of that i dont THINK have done em is coldplay

desol89

Drug use doesn't make you a good musician. Plenty of excellent musicians have never used drugs, and they did just fine.

[QUOTE="tibicina"]The only victims of marijuana use are those with the crushed egos, obtained simply because they were incapable of forming a rational argument against what is a harmless drug.pianist

It isn't harmless. Any form of smoke inhalation is bad for your lungs.

[QUOTE="pianist"]

[QUOTE="tibicina"]The only victims of marijuana use are those with the crushed egos, obtained simply because they were incapable of forming a rational argument against what is a harmless drug.tibicina

It isn't harmless. Any form of smoke inhalation is bad for your lungs.

Don't forget about vaporizers. You can smoke weed with no smoke.

[QUOTE="pianist"]

[QUOTE="tibicina"]The only victims of marijuana use are those with the crushed egos, obtained simply because they were incapable of forming a rational argument against what is a harmless drug.tibicina

It isn't harmless. Any form of smoke inhalation is bad for your lungs.

Some people in my school gave out those "special brownies" once in a school event. I wasn't there, so I didn't eat any, do they really work as though as you were smoking? Just out of curiosity.

[QUOTE="tibicina"][QUOTE="pianist"]

[QUOTE="tibicina"]The only victims of marijuana use are those with the crushed egos, obtained simply because they were incapable of forming a rational argument against what is a harmless drug.Berzz

It isn't harmless. Any form of smoke inhalation is bad for your lungs.

Some people in my school gave out those "special brownies" once in a school event. I wasn't there, so I didn't eat any, do they really work as though as you were smoking? Just out of curiosity.

Some people say eating it is far more effective. I feel nothing when I eat it.

[QUOTE="tibicina"][QUOTE="pianist"]

[QUOTE="tibicina"]The only victims of marijuana use are those with the crushed egos, obtained simply because they were incapable of forming a rational argument against what is a harmless drug.Berzz

It isn't harmless. Any form of smoke inhalation is bad for your lungs.

Some people in my school gave out those "special brownies" once in a school event. I wasn't there, so I didn't eat any, do they really work as though as you were smoking? Just out of curiosity.

True, but much of the harm can be lessened through the use of a water bong, or even water inside the mouth of the smoker (yes, it works). Furthermore, marijuana can be ingested orally (special brownies). No smoke, no problem. tibicina

I'd imagine it's still harmful in whatever form it's ingested if used inappropriately. Tobacco, cocaine, alcohol, marijuana... the body can tolerate them all in small doses, and the latter two have proven medical value (albeit limited in the case of alcohol), but you must never forget that they're still loaded with toxic substances, and can become harmful in a hurry. More often than not, recreational drug use leads to over-consumption. It may take a long time before the medical implications of that over-consumption become evident (and some fortunate individuals experience no medical complications at all), but the risk is always there.

Anyone who does it in the US is deviant, as far as i'm concerned. People are deciding they are better than the law, and that if they dont like a law they can go ahead and break it. It is why i have always ceased friendships with anyone who smokes.

As far as the scientific argument goes, there's plenty of arguments against it, negative effects on learning, memory, productivity, cognitive ability, etc. etc. (It actually interferes in the process of transferring memories from short term to long term, stuff you learned could be lost forever). But pot smokers are going to smoke pot, no matter what negative effects it has or doesnt have. The fact they are willing to break the law makes that clear enough.

[QUOTE="tibicina"]True, but much of the harm can be lessened through the use of a water bong, or even water inside the mouth of the smoker (yes, it works). Furthermore, marijuana can be ingested orally (special brownies). No smoke, no problem. pianist

I'd imagine it's still harmful in whatever form it's ingested if used inappropriately. Tobacco, cocaine, alcohol, marijuana... the body can tolerate them all in small doses, and the latter two have proven medical value (albeit limited in the case of alcohol), but you must never forget that they're still loaded with toxic substances, and can become harmful in a hurry. More often than not, recreational drug use leads to over-consumption. It may take a long time before the medical implications of that over-consumption become evident (and some fortunate individuals experience no medical complications at all), but the risk is always there.

Anyone who does it in the US is deviant, as far as i'm concerned. People are deciding they are better than the law, and that if they dont like a law they can go ahead and break it. It is why i have always ceased friendships with anyone who smokes.

As far as the scientific argument goes, there's plenty of arguments against it, negative effects on learning, memory, productivity, cognitive ability, etc. etc. (It actually interferes in the process of transferring memories from short term to long term, stuff you learned could be lost forever). But pot smokers are going to smoke pot, no matter what negative effects it has or doesnt have. The fact they are willing to break the law makes that clear enough.

Tolwan

Anyone who does it in the US is deviant, as far as i'm concerned. People are deciding they are better than the law, and that if they dont like a law they can go ahead and break it. It is why i have always ceased friendships with anyone who smokes.

As far as the scientific argument goes, there's plenty of arguments against it, negative effects on learning, memory, productivity, cognitive ability, etc. etc. (It actually interferes in the process of transferring memories from short term to long term, stuff you learned could be lost forever). But pot smokers are going to smoke pot, no matter what negative effects it has or doesnt have. The fact they are willing to break the law makes that clear enough.

Tolwan

There are several states where it is legal for medicinal use. No law breaking involved. Other states have essentially decriminalized it.

This risk exists in theory, but there is little to show for it in the real world. Unless, of course, you can show me someone who died of a marijuana overdose.tibicina

Dude... long-term effects. And something need not kill you immediately to be dangerous. Nobody's died of a cigarette overdose, right? Does that mean they aren't dangerous?

If it wasn't for the lung damage I'd do it for the appetite increase which I sorely need.

People are deciding they are better than the law

Tolwan

I do it because I, personally, am better than America.

MJ causes seroius problems memory for one. If you can't remember anything how can you learn? It will also mess you libido and sperm count up. Also people that smoke pot are 400 times more likely to develope schizophrenia. There is a gene that has been linked to schizhophrenia that can be trigged by smokeing weed. 1/3 rd of the population has that gene.

I used to smoke weed but I don't preach about too ofter because it does little good. Most poeple don't listen in life they have to find out for thierselves I know I did.

Of course most people who smoke the stuff deny thiers anything wrong with it. Because if they didn't think it was harmless how could they justify smoking it.

So boys and girls smoke up.

MJ causes seroius problems memory for one. If you can't remember anything how can you learn? It will also mess you libido and sperm count up. Also people that smoke pot are 400 times more likely to develope schizophrenia. There is a gene that has been linked to schizhophrenia that can be trigged by smokeing weed. 1/3 rd of the population has that gene.

I used to smoke weed but I don't preach about too ofter because it does little good. Most poeple don't listen in life they have to find out for thierselves I know I did.

Of course most people who smoke the stuff deny thiers anything wrong with it. Because if they didn't think it was harmless how could they justify smoking it.

So boys and girls smoke up.

jdc6305

[QUOTE="jdc6305"]

MJ causes seroius problems memory for one. If you can't remember anything how can you learn? It will also mess you libido and sperm count up. Also people that smoke pot are 400 times more likely to develope schizophrenia. There is a gene that has been linked to schizhophrenia that can be trigged by smokeing weed. 1/3 rd of the population has that gene.

I used to smoke weed but I don't preach about too ofter because it does little good. Most poeple don't listen in life they have to find out for thierselves I know I did.

Of course most people who smoke the stuff deny thiers anything wrong with it. Because if they didn't think it was harmless how could they justify smoking it.

So boys and girls smoke up.

foxhound_fox

Yes I do I have schizophrenia and I'll send some links soon. jdc6305

Just something to keep in mind. I have no family history of mental illness and I used to smoke pot everyday. Until I started becoming paranoid. Slowly over two years I bacame more and more paraoid until I lost all sense of reality. I ended up in the hospital with schizophrenia. I think MJ played a seroious role in coming down with the illness. Not everyone that smokes gets schizophrenia but it does happen. Read for yourself and don't dismiss it becaue it can happen. Thiers new infor on the subject coming out all the time.

Check it out.

http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html

Also people that smoke pot are 400 times more likely to develope schizophrenia. There is a gene that has been linked to schizhophrenia that can be trigged by smokeing weed. 1/3 rd of the population has that gene.

jdc6305

Yep, thats what my family has got. Marijuana and alcohol usually set it off, so I have to be careful of how much I drink and make sure I dont do drugs in the future to ensure that I stay as sane as possible.

Anyone who does it in the US is deviant, as far as i'm concerned. People are deciding they are better than the law, and that if they dont like a law they can go ahead and break it. It is why i have always ceased friendships with anyone who smokes.

As far as the scientific argument goes, there's plenty of arguments against it, negative effects on learning, memory, productivity, cognitive ability, etc. etc. (It actually interferes in the process of transferring memories from short term to long term, stuff you learned could be lost forever). But pot smokers are going to smoke pot, no matter what negative effects it has or doesnt have. The fact they are willing to break the law makes that clear enough.

Tolwan

Anyone who does it in the US is deviant, as far as i'm concerned. People are deciding they are better than the law, and that if they dont like a law they can go ahead and break it. It is why i have always ceased friendships with anyone who jaywalks.

As far as the scientific argument goes, there's plenty of arguments against it, negative effects on traffic congestion, possible risk of injury, etc. etc. (It actually interferes in the process of cars traveling from one place to another, cars trying to get to a destination promptly could be late). But jaywalkers are going to jaywalk, no matter what negative effects it has or doesnt have. The fact they are willing to break the law makes that clear enough.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

Anyone who does it in the US is deviant, as far as i'm concerned. People are deciding they are better than the law, and that if they dont like a law they can go ahead and break it. It is why i have always ceased friendships with anyone who smokes.

As far as the scientific argument goes, there's plenty of arguments against it, negative effects on learning, memory, productivity, cognitive ability, etc. etc. (It actually interferes in the process of transferring memories from short term to long term, stuff you learned could be lost forever). But pot smokers are going to smoke pot, no matter what negative effects it has or doesnt have. The fact they are willing to break the law makes that clear enough.

mikeg0788

Anyone who does it in the US is deviant, as far as i'm concerned. People are deciding they are better than the law, and that if they dont like a law they can go ahead and break it. It is why i have always ceased friendships with anyone who jaywalks.

As far as the scientific argument goes, there's plenty of arguments against it, negative effects on traffic congestion, possible risk of injury, etc. etc. (It actually interferes in the process of cars traveling from one place to another, cars trying to get to a destination promptly could be late). But jaywalkers are going to jaywalk, no matter what negative effects it has or doesnt have. The fact they are willing to break the law makes that clear enough.

:lol:

WTF?

Ive seen far less fights start from people smoking a doobie when compared to people drinking or doing cocaine. I never once had to kick someone out of ht ebar for being baked from smoking a doobie, but tons of people when there to drunk or to high from snorting rubbish. I personally think pot is better for you then alcohol or tobacco. Just my personal opinion.

Its also worked for health problems for some people (people with cancer and other health problems that cause them to lose weight or stop eating).

[QUOTE="mVolta"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]No, it isn't. And :lol: at "most musicians and artists have done it."Dracargen

yea most of the good ones that is/ jimi hendrix. THE BEATLES, pink floyd, the doors, sorry but drugged out musicians usually leads to good music. except if ur courtney love

Okay, you named 4 musicians/bands, whereas there are thousands upon thousands who do not use drugs and are far better. Please.:roll:

Word, Skillet is the best band ever and they don't smoke weed. You can tell by their overly mainstream and generic sound.

Ive seen far less fights start from people smoking a doobie when compared to people drinking or doing cocaine. I never once had to kick someone out of ht ebar for being baked from smoking a doobie, but tons of people when there to drunk or to high from snorting rubbish. I personally think pot is better for you then alcohol or tobacco. Just my personal opinionkozzy1234

It isn't 'better' for you, as that would imply that it's actually good for you. It might be less bad for you, though. I wouldn't know. I haven't researched this topic much, since it doesn't really affect me at all.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]Ive seen far less fights start from people smoking a doobie when compared to people drinking or doing cocaine. I never once had to kick someone out of ht ebar for being baked from smoking a doobie, but tons of people when there to drunk or to high from snorting rubbish. I personally think pot is better for you then alcohol or tobacco. Just my personal opinionpianist

It isn't 'better' for you, as that would imply that it's actually good for you. It might be less bad for you, though. I wouldn't know. I haven't researched this topic much, since it doesn't really affect me at all.

Ive seen it work first hand for people who have lost alot of weightand have a hard time eating. Never seen any benefits from smoking tobaco.

Ive seen far less fights start from people smoking a doobie when compared to people drinking or doing cocaine. I never once had to kick someone out of ht ebar for being baked from smoking a doobie, but tons of people when there to drunk or to high from snorting rubbish. I personally think pot is better for you then alcohol or tobacco. Just my personal opinion.

Its also worked for health problems for some people (people with cancer and other health problems that cause them to lose weight or stop eating).

kozzy1234

Word, Skillet is the best band ever and they don't smoke weed. You can tell by their overly mainstream and generic sound.

mikeg0788

I could list dozens of great composers and performers who are not known to have used drugs at any point in their life. Most of them demonstrated far greater musical skills than the popular musicians people reference as being proof that drugs produce great music. Seriously, drop the 'drugs make you a better musician' argument. If you rely on drugs to help you play or write music, you just aren't a skilled musician... even if lots of uninformed people think you are.

Ive seen it work first hand for people who have lost alot of weightand have a hard time eating. Never seen any benefits from smoking tobaco.

kozzy1234

Like many drugs, marijuana has medicinal purposes that should be exploited. But be honest... how many people are using it to help control their weight? And how many are using it APPROPRIATELY to attain that goal?

[QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

Word, Skillet is the best band ever and they don't smoke weed. You can tell by their overly mainstream and generic sound.

pianist

I could list dozens of great composers and performers who are not known to have used drugs at any point in their life. Most of them demonstrated far greater musical skills than the popular musicians people reference as being proof that drugs produce great music. Seriously, drop the 'drugs make you a better musician' argument. If you rely on drugs to help you play or write music, you just aren't a skilled musician... even if lots of uninformed people think you are.

False. You have to smoke weed and do heavy narcotics to make good music. Its a fact of life.

Additionally, in no way, shape, or form was any part of what I just said or what you just quoted meant to be taken as a joke, as everything I say is said with absolute and unshakeable seriousness. Fo' realz.

Anyone who does it in the US is deviant, as far as i'm concerned. People are deciding they are better than the law, and that if they dont like a law they can go ahead and break it. It is why i have always ceased friendships with anyone who smokes.

As far as the scientific argument goes, there's plenty of arguments against it, negative effects on learning, memory, productivity, cognitive ability, etc. etc. (It actually interferes in the process of transferring memories from short term to long term, stuff you learned could be lost forever). But pot smokers are going to smoke pot, no matter what negative effects it has or doesnt have. The fact they are willing to break the law makes that clear enough.

Tolwan

Huh, people like you always intrigue me. It's like the law is the be all end all of everything you do... there are places for the government and its laws and there are places where it shouldn't be, I thought as Republican's people would understand that :D

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

Word, Skillet is the best band ever and they don't smoke weed. You can tell by their overly mainstream and generic sound.

mikeg0788

I could list dozens of great composers and performers who are not known to have used drugs at any point in their life. Most of them demonstrated far greater musical skills than the popular musicians people reference as being proof that drugs produce great music. Seriously, drop the 'drugs make you a better musician' argument. If you rely on drugs to help you play or write music, you just aren't a skilled musician... even if lots of uninformed people think you are.

False. You have to smoke weed and do heavy narcotics to make good music. Its a fact of life.

Additionally, in no way, shape, or form was any part of what I just said or what you just quoted meant to be taken as a joke, as everything I say is said with absolute and unshakeable seriousness. Fo' realz.

:lol:

Poor Beethoven... poor Bach... poor Brahms. If only someone had told them!

Most people you watch on TV have done it.
David Cameron, leader of the conservative shadow government of Great Britain has done it.
Cannabis residue was found after a chemical analysis of Einsteins pipes.
Most musicians and artists have done it.
Iron Maiden haven't done it though.

Towlie did it.

Who where the victims in all of these cases?

Tony-Harrison

Lovin' that hookah

[QUOTE="Myrkan"]

Technically, it doesnt hurt anyone...Physically... But sometimes family members prefer going off to smoke it with their friends, or, when they come home from work, try to relax with their 'hobby' (bleh, yeah right, hobby) then it can cause some damage to family members, especially since pot will become a bigger focus in life, rather than family. Marijuana also screws with your head of course, another thing to consider. It also disables people, makes them alright with being bored, not being creative, instead pouring their free time into something that doesnt contribute to the world. Not really a victimless crime. Drugs are drugs, tobacco can cause lung cancer and various other things, leading to the loss of a family member, caffeine isnt good for you in some ways I'm sure, heroine, cocaine, all that stuff, alcohol, which isnt good for families or individuals at all with excessive use. And of course, Marijuana.

longhorn7

based off of my experience, yeah. it usually causes people to be lazy and sit around rather than create or contribute. I'm not saying people who smoke pot can't be successful, I'm just saying there are better things to do.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]Of course it is. The only side effect of smoking marijuana is extreme happiness. Oh, and munchies.Gamer4Iife

Nah, it also destroys your brain cells and makes you more depressed in the long term.

Your thinking of Alcohol. Cannabis doesn't destroy brain cells and it isn't a depressant.

No, the one that consumes it is the victim.Thiago26792

[QUOTE="longhorn7"][QUOTE="Myrkan"]

Technically, it doesnt hurt anyone...Physically... But sometimes family members prefer going off to smoke it with their friends, or, when they come home from work, try to relax with their 'hobby' (bleh, yeah right, hobby) then it can cause some damage to family members, especially since pot will become a bigger focus in life, rather than family. Marijuana also screws with your head of course, another thing to consider. It also disables people, makes them alright with being bored, not being creative, instead pouring their free time into something that doesnt contribute to the world. Not really a victimless crime. Drugs are drugs, tobacco can cause lung cancer and various other things, leading to the loss of a family member, caffeine isnt good for you in some ways I'm sure, heroine, cocaine, all that stuff, alcohol, which isnt good for families or individuals at all with excessive use. And of course, Marijuana.

Myrkan

based off of my experience, yeah. it usually causes people to be lazy and sit around rather than create or contribute. I'm not saying people who smoke pot can't be successful, I'm just saying there are better things to do.

Iron Maiden rock! therefore its awesome not to do. kruesader

Your logic is terrible. Here, have a blunt one.

[QUOTE="tibicina"]This risk exists in theory, but there is little to show for it in the real world. Unless, of course, you can show me someone who died of a marijuana overdose.pianist

Dude... long-term effects. And something need not kill you immediately to be dangerous. Nobody's died of a cigarette overdose, right? Does that mean they aren't dangerous?

Actually, you could die from nicotine poisoning. Of course, it's very rare, and would take a large quantity of nicotine to be taken into the system in a short period of time, but it is more plausible than a marijuana overdose.

But as you've said before, any smoke inhalation is bad for the human lungs. Most people choose to ignore this though.

I personally have quit smoking marijuana. Both for health reasons and for the fact that marijuana, when used chronically, results in diminished effects, and becomes a habit. Not a full-blown addiction, just something you could become accustomed to. I still have nothing against the drug, I just don't want it anymore.