I've heard that suicide is an act of weakness more often than I've heard that it's an act of strength. The typical phrasing in regard to suicide is "It's the easy way out," or after someone has died, "They went out like a coward." The reasoning behind this is that life is hard for everyone, so the few people that decide to kill themselves to escape the misery of life aren't as strong as the many that choose to continue living. However, I argue that it isn't really a choice to continue living, because all it takes to do so is the primary instinct of self-preservation, which isn't hard to follow...because it's compulsory! No matter how hard one's life is, their brain is going to convince them to survive. In light of this, I'd say that the people who do commit suicide are actually quite strong; they are strong enough to overcome the strongest, most basic instinct, something that most people cannot do. Anyhow, that's my opinion on it. What's yours?
Most people who commit suicide are depressed, and depressed people have a weakened will to live, so it's not the same as a mentally healthy person overcoming their survival instincts and killing themselves. As someone who has thought about suicide (but never seriously enough to make a plan and go through with it) I do think it's weak and cowardly and I only ever had those thoughts in my weakest moments. I think what truly takes guts is getting help. That may sound easy but for anyone who has actually been in that situation I'm sure they'll tell you opening up to other people, whether it be family or a doctor, is a really hard thing to do.
It might take some considerable guts to take your own life, but I think that it's an act of weakness in that, instead of facing the problem, instead of trying to overcome whatever it is that you're going through, you just decide to end your life and call it a day. I consider that weak. Especially if you have family and friends that care for and love you, it's pretty selfish to just off yourself. You aren't in this world just to live for yourself.
So, they should continue living miserably just to make other people, their friends and family, and happy? That's ridiculous. Way to miss the point. Depression can be treated, not always successfully, but it's obviously worth a shot. Killing yourself is not the solution, it's the cowards way out because you transfer all that suffering you felt to those who love you.
how so? Have you ever known someone who's killed themselves? I'm guessing no, because if you had you wouldn't be asking that question. Actually, I have. My grandfather committed suicide. So, how about you stop ASSuming and answer my question?
So, they should continue living miserably just to make other people, their friends and family, and happy? That's ridiculous. But then it's still selfish, nonetheless. If you'd rather kill yourself and depress your family and friends who will never see you again, it's completely selfish.
A lot of times a suicidal person believes no one cares about them, they don't think their disappearance will matter. Not saying that's always the case of course
So, they should continue living miserably just to make other people, their friends and family, and happy? That's ridiculous. But then it's still selfish, nonetheless. If you'd rather kill yourself and depress your family and friends who will never see you again, it's completely selfish. Nonetheless, it's selfish to live for others at your own expense and you're also assuming that all suicidal people have loved ones.
[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] how so? Have you ever known someone who's killed themselves? I'm guessing no, because if you had you wouldn't be asking that question. Actually, I have. My grandfather committed suicide. So, how about you stop ASSuming and answer my question? I have: "Depression can be treated, not always successfully, but it's obviously worth a shot. Killing yourself is not the solution, it's the cowards way out because you transfer all that suffering you felt to those who love you." If you want me to elaborate further, just ask. Though I do think I've made myself clear.
It's kind of both. It makes you weak to not have the will power to push through what ever dark time has you contemplating it, but it's also a very brave act to do that goes against your very nature and fear.
[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"] Have you ever known someone who's killed themselves? I'm guessing no, because if you had you wouldn't be asking that question. Actually, I have. My grandfather committed suicide. So, how about you stop ASSuming and answer my question? I have: "Depression can be treated, not always successfully, but it's obviously worth a shot. Killing yourself is not the solution, it's the cowards way out because you transfer all that suffering you felt to those who love you." If you want me to elaborate further, just ask. Though I do think I've made myself clear. What if treatment is not successful?
[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] Actually, I have. My grandfather committed suicide. So, how about you stop ASSuming and answer my question? Rich3232
I have: "Depression can be treated, not always successfully, but it's obviously worth a shot. Killing yourself is not the solution, it's the cowards way out because you transfer all that suffering you felt to those who love you." If you want me to elaborate further, just ask. Though I do think I've made myself clear. What if treatment is not successful?
[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"] I have: "Depression can be treated, not always successfully, but it's obviously worth a shot. Killing yourself is not the solution, it's the cowards way out because you transfer all that suffering you felt to those who love you." If you want me to elaborate further, just ask. Though I do think I've made myself clear.THE_DRUGGIE
So, they should continue living miserably just to make other people, their friends and family, and happy? That's ridiculous. But then it's still selfish, nonetheless. If you'd rather kill yourself and depress your family and friends who will never see you again, it's completely selfish. It's not about the family, or anyone else for that matter; it's solely about the person who commits suicide. It's selfish not to continue living miserably just to make others happy?
[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"] I have: "Depression can be treated, not always successfully, but it's obviously worth a shot. Killing yourself is not the solution, it's the cowards way out because you transfer all that suffering you felt to those who love you." If you want me to elaborate further, just ask. Though I do think I've made myself clear.THE_DRUGGIE
[QUOTE="Rich3232"] Nonetheless, it's selfish to live for others at your own expense and you're also assuming that all suicidal people have loved ones. Do you know the definition of the word selfish? That's altruistic brah.
[QUOTE="meconate"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="meconate"] But then it's still selfish, nonetheless. If you'd rather kill yourself and depress your family and friends who will never see you again, it's completely selfish. Nonetheless, it's selfish to live for others at your own expense and you're also assuming that all suicidal people have loved ones. How is it selfish to live for others? If you read my first post, I did say under certain circumstances. So yeah, if nobody loves you, and you see no point of your existence on Earth, then go ahead. Okay, so then, you'd agree that not all suicides are acts of selfishness or of weakness?
So, they should continue living miserably just to make other people, their friends and family, and happy? That's ridiculous. But then it's still selfish, nonetheless. If you'd rather kill yourself and depress your family and friends who will never see you again, it's completely selfish.No, it's not selfish. What's selfish is expecting someone else to live with their pain just so you won't be sad.
[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"][QUOTE="meconate"] But then it's still selfish, nonetheless. If you'd rather kill yourself and depress your family and friends who will never see you again, it's completely selfish.meconate
It's not about the family, or anyone else for that matter; it's solely about the person who commits suicide. It's selfish not to continue living miserably just to make others happy? Of course it is. Do you not understand the meaning of selfishness? Placing your own concern above the interests of others.Close, but no cigar. Being selfish is looking towards your own intrests before the concern of others. Big difference dude.
[QUOTE="meconate"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"][QUOTE="meconate"] But then it's still selfish, nonetheless. If you'd rather kill yourself and depress your family and friends who will never see you again, it's completely selfish. It's not about the family, or anyone else for that matter; it's solely about the person who commits suicide. It's selfish not to continue living miserably just to make others happy? Of course it is. Do you not understand the meaning of selfishness? Placing your own concern above the interests of others. Are you saying that people should place their own desires/concerns below others?
[QUOTE="meconate"] Of course it is. Do you not understand the meaning of selfishness? Placing your own concern above the interests of others.meconate
Close, but no cigar. Being selfish is looking towards your own intrests before the concern of others. Big difference dude. Still makes no difference on the matter, dude. It's still selfish in my eyes. lol so what you're basically saying is "fvck definitions, only I'm correct!"
I think it's hard for a complicated issue like suicide to be described in black and white terms, like selfish or selfless, weak or strong. It's usually a little deeper than that
I think it's hard for a complicated issue like suicide to be described in black and white terms, like selfish or selfless, weak or strong. It's usually a little deeper than that
[QUOTE="meconate"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="meconate"] Of course it is. Do you not understand the meaning of selfishness? Placing your own concern above the interests of others. Are you saying that people should place their own desires/concerns below others? What are you even talking about? When did I ever say the suicidal guy should think of his interests below others? Where else would it be?
I'd say neither. even though it may be difficult to pull the trigger (literally or figuratively), the fact remains that suicide is simply giving up on life. in no way is giving up an act of strength. at the same time, I wouldn't call it weakness, as depression can really change the way you think, to the point where you feel as though you have nothing to live for and never will. People live because they either have something worth living for, or because they have hope that their future will be better; but what if you have neither of those? True hopelessness is impossible to fight; it doesn't matter who you are or how strong you are.
I think it's hard for a complicated issue like suicide to be described in black and white terms, like selfish or selfless, weak or strong. It's usually a little deeper than that
Aljosa23
no shutup, suicide is selfish because reasons
It's sucks that people think that way, one of the reasons why it's so hard for suicidal people to get help
[QUOTE="meconate"] Still makes no difference on the matter, dude. It's still selfish in my eyes. meconate
lol so what you're basically saying is "fvck definitions, only I'm correct!" Nope, I'm saying you practically reworded the actual definition which ultimately means the say thing. What I'd love to hear is why you don't consider this selfishness.Are you trolling? Interests and concerns are most definitely not the same thing.I don't consider it selfishness because you'd have to be a fvcking tool if you don't do stuff because others will get sad. This dumb line of thinking can be applied to everything. Unless you've NEVER done something that made another person upset then you're a hypocrite.
[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="meconate"] What are you even talking about? When did I ever say the suicidal guy should think of his interests below others? meconate
Where else would it be? ...equal? I'm pretty sure the families reasons for him living are just as powerful as his/her reasons for leaving. Not really. Eventually, one will decide whether they will continue suffering(placing their own concerns/desires below others) or to off himself(thus placing his own concerns/desires above others).
It's kind of both. It makes you weak to not have the will power to push through what ever dark time has you contemplating it, but it's also a very brave act to do that goes against your very nature and fear.
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