Today, this girl said that suicide is selfish and causes unnecessary pain to loved ones. I have to disagree, because I believe that some people are in unimaginable pain, and they're unable to deal with it and that is their only escape. What do you guys think?
Yeah, suicide is ridiculously selfish. You're killing yourself, putting everyone who cared for you into a world of grief. It also makes them feel inferior; they couldn't take care of you well enough, so you committed suicide. People blame themselves for the deaths of their loved ones.
It's not selfish. The community often views it as selfish because humans work together to achieve everything they do. Those that think we work against each other in competion are naive.
Yeah, suicide is ridiculously selfish. You're killing yourself, putting everyone who cared for you into a world of grief. It also makes them feel inferior; they couldn't take care of you well enough, so you committed suicide. People blame themselves for the deaths of their loved ones.
Suicide is never necessary, and always selfish.
Theokhoth
Perhaps they couldn't do enough, or didn't know what the person needed to help them. Not everyone gets help, or even has that option.
It is selfish, you aren't thinking about anyone but yourself when you kill yourself. That's the definition of selfishness. Unless you are sacrificing yourself to save someone else's life (i.e. taking a bullet for someone) you are committing a selfish act. Think about it in an arguementable standpoint,
When you kill yourself, who all is affected?
Who is relieving the pain? And who gets even more?
Who commits the act to relieve pain, without regard to the others?
Suicide is NEVER the only escape. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It couldn't be more selfish. Pirate700
I agree, the only time I think it is really acceptable is if someone has a terminal disease or something that will not be cured and will only cause that person immense pain.
I think the majority of people who commit suicide, or those that think about it, aren't in the right frame of mind to make any type of rational decision. Many of them are/were depressed individuals who, for whatever reason, didn't get any help, or if they did, then they didn't respond well to it. Not all of them suffer from "unimaginable pain", like people who have terminal cancer or something.
Yeah, suicide is ridiculously selfish. You're killing yourself, putting everyone who cared for you into a world of grief. It also makes them feel inferior; they couldn't take care of you well enough, so you committed suicide. People blame themselves for the deaths of their loved ones.
Suicide is never necessary, and always selfish.
Theokhoth
Not if your loved ones knew that you were in unbearable pain.
suicide has crossed the mind of many ppl when things get tuff, life is not easy but it sure is rewarding when you are brave enough to walk thru the fire.
My dad shot himself, my aunt hung herself, a guy I work with just killed himself last week. I belive in suicide when someone has a terminal illness. But if someones just gonna comit suicide becuase there depressed or what ever yeah I think it's selfish becuase it hurts the ones that love them. It's been 20 years since my dad shot himself and I still haven't forgave him niether has the rest of the family. It didn't just kill him it ruined my life too.
I think the majority of people who commit suicide, or those that think about it, aren't in the right frame of mind to make any type of rational decision. Many of them are/were depressed individuals who, for whatever reason, didn't get any help, or if they did, then they didn't respond well to it. Not all of them suffer from "unimaginable pain", like people who have terminal cancer or something. elblanquito_81
Depression is incredibly hard to deal with, and also very painful. But unless you suffer from it, you won't understand what I'm saying.
[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]It depends. In the situation that you describe I guess it would be described as euthanasia, which is a lot less clear cut.Jandurin
Agree. I have a real hard time having a problem with euthanasia. Dr. Death.:P was that really necessary?
suicide has crossed the mind of many ppl when things get tuff, life is not easy but it sure is rewarding when you are brave enough to walk thru the fire. shyskillz
Today, this girl said that suicide is selfish and causes unnecessary pain to loved ones. I have to disagree, because I believe that some people are in unimaginable pain, and they're unable to deal with it and that is their only escape. What do you guys think?d51man
Can you throw some examples of when you think that suicide is a totally viable option? That will probably be more instructive than a conversation that is altogether in the abstract.
Yeah, suicide is ridiculously selfish. You're killing yourself, putting everyone who cared for you into a world of grief. It also makes them feel inferior; they couldn't take care of you well enough, so you committed suicide. People blame themselves for the deaths of their loved ones.
Suicide is never necessary, and always selfish.
d51man
Perhaps they couldn't do enough, or didn't know what the person needed to help them. Not everyone gets help, or even has that option.
So that person should be in pain to make the others around them happy?
Dark_Knight6
No, they should find another way to deal with the pain. And it isn't fair, by any means, to pass that pain on.
What if they can't find anything that will help them? Not everyone responds well to treatment, and therapy doesn't work for everyone. Someone else said something about the living ones being selfish, which does make sense. They would rather keep that person around, whether they're happy or in pain, than have them die and have pain brought upon themselves.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]It depends. In the situation that you describe I guess it would be described as euthanasia, which is a lot less clear cut.Mr_sprinkles
Agree. I have a real hard time having a problem with euthanasia. Dr. Death.:P was that really necessary? :P Actually, I just went on wikipedia, there are way more dr. deaths than I thought >_> Can you imagine having that as your appellation?
This is a very good question I can choose a side. But I think both sides have good points. But I do think suicide is okay if a person is in a very bad state of mind and everyone gets down on them.
I think the majority of people who commit suicide, or those that think about it, aren't in the right frame of mind to make any type of rational decision. Many of them are/were depressed individuals who, for whatever reason, didn't get any help, or if they did, then they didn't respond well to it. Not all of them suffer from "unimaginable pain", like people who have terminal cancer or something. elblanquito_81
Yeah, suicide is ridiculously selfish. You're killing yourself, putting everyone who cared for you into a world of grief. It also makes them feel inferior; they couldn't take care of you well enough, so you committed suicide. People blame themselves for the deaths of their loved ones.
Suicide is never necessary, and always selfish.
Theokhoth
Perhaps they couldn't do enough, or didn't know what the person needed to help them. Not everyone gets help, or even has that option.
Who does not have that option?
Not everyone has people around them to love and support them. It's one thing to get help, but if you don't have anyone around you to support you, you most likely won't get much better.
What if they can't find anything that will help them? Not everyone responds well to treatment, and therapy doesn't work for everyone. Someone else said something about the living ones being selfish, which does make sense. They would rather keep that person around, whether they're happy or in pain, than have them die and have pain brought upon themselves.d51man
Well, you see, many rational people understand that over time, many things become clear. Suicide STOPs time.
Not everyone has people around them to love and support them. It's one thing to get help, but if you don't have anyone around you to support you, you most likely won't get much better.
[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]It depends. In the situation that you describe I guess it would be described as euthanasia, which is a lot less clear cut.Jandurin
Agree. I have a real hard time having a problem with euthanasia. Dr. Death.:P was that really necessary? :P Actually, I just went on wikipedia, there are way more dr. deaths than I thought >_> Can you imagine having that as your appellation?No proper doctor deaths. Though I guess if you had a name like "Steven J. Death" you'd have a hard time trying to make it in the medical profession.
[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]I think the majority of people who commit suicide, or those that think about it, aren't in the right frame of mind to make any type of rational decision. Many of them are/were depressed individuals who, for whatever reason, didn't get any help, or if they did, then they didn't respond well to it. Not all of them suffer from "unimaginable pain", like people who have terminal cancer or something. d51man
Depression is incredibly hard to deal with, and also very painful. But unless you suffer from it, you won't understand what I'm saying.
Not everyone has to have depression to understand how it may affect other people. We study it, the causes of it, and the effects it can have on people so that we can try to treat them as best we can, so that someday, they may be able to overcome it (in some cases anyway). Do you think it's a requirement for psychologists to have depression themselves in order to effectively treat those that have it?
Not everyone has people around them to love and support them. It's one thing to get help, but if you don't have anyone around you to support you, you most likely won't get much better.
Not everyone has people around them to love and support them. It's one thing to get help, but if you don't have anyone around you to support you, you most likely won't get much better.
d51man
And you base this on. . . .what?
Personal experience?
Unless you are the person who committed suicide or tried you don't have any personal experience.
Not everyone has people around them to love and support them. It's one thing to get help, but if you don't have anyone around you to support you, you most likely won't get much better.
Pirate700
And you base this on. . . .what?
Personal experience?
Unless you are the person who committed suicide or tried you don't have any personal experience.
I was referring to knowing about how hard it is to succeed in getting better without the support.
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