Islam is holy and everything else isn't? WTF is this?
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[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
Yes. If you want to be completely safe from violent people who will hurt you over anything you say, then we must remove free speech.
I'd rather take the very miniscule chance of being bombed by a radical over losing my rights.
LJS9502_basic
Sometimes you just have to compromise anduse your brain. Our constitution is not global, it's our constitution,not their's. Comedy is NOT worth getting people killed. Maybe you're okay with explaining to the families that the deaths were totally worth it but I don't see how it could be.
NO NO NO. You don't compromise your freedoms. Ever. Or they are lost.In the words of Ben
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
To be fair that quote is very pretty but largely dismissed these days as quite silly. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a little freedom for security. See the Secret Service hunting down the head of Wikileaks to stop him leaking videos which would expose the US military.[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="krazy-blazer"] Your response is illogical, that's no way responding to my post. you stated Islam had no proof and i gave it to you take it or leave it. Just so you know Mohammad was a Bedouin he didn't know how to read or right, there was no way he could have known that.gubrushadowI will leave it. You seem to think that because a book makes a few predictions you THINK is true, it therefore means god is real. Well I do not believe that. well HE's not gonna be hurt or anything , HE's just gonna put you in hell and we will be watching . ( if we went to paradise ).
So....paradise is a sadists dream...? o.o
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]NO NO NO. You don't compromise your freedoms. Ever. Or they are lost.[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]
Sometimes you just have to compromise anduse your brain. Our constitution is not global, it's our constitution,not their's. Comedy is NOT worth getting people killed. Maybe you're okay with explaining to the families that the deaths were totally worth it but I don't see how it could be.
Ninja-Hippo
In the words of Ben
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
To be fair that quote is very pretty but largely dismissed these days as quite silly. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a little freedom for security. See the Secret Service hunting down the head of Wikileaks to stop him leaking videos which would expose the US military.I actually disagree with that as well.
well HE's not gonna be hurt or anything , HE's just gonna put you in hell and we will be watching . ( if we went to paradise ).[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="optiow"] I will leave it. You seem to think that because a book makes a few predictions you THINK is true, it therefore means god is real. Well I do not believe that. Pixel-Pirate
So....paradise is a sadists dream...? o.o
nah but since we have sins , we need mercy , so yeah mercy doent come in the taxi , it comes when you stop the sin, and i have too many sins , so i guess its a bit hard to go to paradise.but i never loose faith in GOD'S mercy.[QUOTE="IWKYB"]
Yeah, nobody has noticed that right? Ever since some extremeists have done away with our towers everybody seems to be afraid of Islamic radicals. So much that everybody seems to only hate on the safe religions like Christians who won't bomb us. Comedy Central has how many shows that take a piss on every single religion hell most networks do. But when it comes to Islam nobody steps foward. What is this? Do they own us, does fear own us? Am I the only one outraged by this?
You realize Islam is against killing innocent people and suicides right? next time don't go flaming without knowing anything about Islam. see the NEWS only put Muslims getting pissed off whereby MOST Muslims are fine unless it crosses the line. so UNLESS you've seen the opinion of the majority and the minority and quit watching Fox news then start talking. Exactly what I was thinking.
There's no such thing as "radical" Islam.It's just Islam - a political, military, and religious philosophy, whose followers have been using for 1400 years to either convert, or destroy the "infidels".It's not a religion of peace, and it never has been.It's time to tell the truth about it.Born_LuckyHahaha.Nice joke.
You realize Islam is against killing innocent people and suicides right? next time don't go flaming without knowing anything about Islam. see the NEWS only put Muslims getting pissed off whereby MOST Muslims are fine unless it crosses the line. so UNLESS you've seen the opinion of the majority and the minority and quit watching Fox news then start talking.[QUOTE="IWKYB"]
Yeah, nobody has noticed that right? Ever since some extremeists have done away with our towers everybody seems to be afraid of Islamic radicals. So much that everybody seems to only hate on the safe religions like Christians who won't bomb us. Comedy Central has how many shows that take a piss on every single religion hell most networks do. But when it comes to Islam nobody steps foward. What is this? Do they own us, does fear own us? Am I the only one outraged by this?
krazy-blazer
I lived in Saudi Arabia for six years and I hold myself a number of Muslim friends and acquaintances. I still don't like what I see. Whenever Islamic terrorists do something, Muslims go "They aren't Muslim..." and then get back to whatever they are doing as if it weren't their problem. With Islam growing at the rate it is and already being the fastest growing religion on the planet, the number of radicals will only grow and it is a problem of true Islamic followers to pursue and mend.
[QUOTE="MagnumPI"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
Yes. If you want to be completely safe from violent people who will hurt you over anything you say, then we must remove free speech.
I'd rather take the very miniscule chance of being bombed by a radical over losing my rights.
IWKYB
Sometimes you just have to compromise anduse your brain. Our constitution is not global, it's our constitution,not their's. Comedy is NOT worth getting people killed. Maybe you're okay with explaining to the families that the deaths were totally worth it but I don't see how it could be.
Freedom of speech was worth something when this country was funded, you have forgotten that. The millions of people dead believing in our rights, it was all for nothing if we have to keep "quiet". Pixel Pirate You have my respect.Pixel-Pirate is the **** when it comes to this subject. I look forward to their posts.
You're forgetting they didn't have to deal with the technology we have today. The people they fought were honorable people that settled their differences by a soldier's honor. They didn't have skyscrapers nor planes toslam into those skyscrapers. So "Wuh boy?! You besta shut yo mouth or come hither now boy"was moreconvenient back then. Now we are slaves and prisoners to our own technoloy. We alreadytook our own freedon & security away.
You're talking aboutAmericans that believed in an eye for aneye. If you even threatend their family or friendsthey would kill you, because they didn't tolerate terrorism. Now everyone is agullible bleeding heart that figures if they are nice to people they will be their friends. Butwhen you're inthe company of people that want to kill you they will keep you alive as long as you are useful or providing something but eventually they will kill you.
You realize Islam is against killing innocent people and suicides right? next time don't go flaming without knowing anything about Islam. see the NEWS only put Muslims getting pissed off whereby MOST Muslims are fine unless it crosses the line. so UNLESS you've seen the opinion of the majority and the minority and quit watching Fox news then start talking.[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]
[QUOTE="IWKYB"]
Yeah, nobody has noticed that right? Ever since some extremeists have done away with our towers everybody seems to be afraid of Islamic radicals. So much that everybody seems to only hate on the safe religions like Christians who won't bomb us. Comedy Central has how many shows that take a piss on every single religion hell most networks do. But when it comes to Islam nobody steps foward. What is this? Do they own us, does fear own us? Am I the only one outraged by this?
Hexagon_777
I lived in Saudi Arabia for six years and I hold myself a number of Muslim friends and acquaintances. I still don't like what I see. Whenever Islamic terrorists do something, Muslims go "They aren't Muslim..." and then get back to whatever they are doing as if it weren't their problem. With Islam growing at the rate it is and already being the fastest growing religion on the planet, the number of radicals will only grow and it is a problem of true Islamic followers to pursue and mend.
We were not responsible for creating the taliban or the Al-Qaeda.It was the USA's fault they supported them and financed them during the soviet invasion of afghanistan and now people from our community have to constantly preach to the youngsters not to follow the extremist path.We never wanted all this crap to happen.Not 9/11 or any of the other terrorist activities were supported by a majority of muslims.You cannot blame the entire community for the mistake of some.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]NO NO NO. You don't compromise your freedoms. Ever. Or they are lost.[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]
Sometimes you just have to compromise anduse your brain. Our constitution is not global, it's our constitution,not their's. Comedy is NOT worth getting people killed. Maybe you're okay with explaining to the families that the deaths were totally worth it but I don't see how it could be.
Ninja-Hippo
In the words of Ben
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
To be fair that quote is very pretty but largely dismissed these days as quite silly. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a little freedom for security. See the Secret Service hunting down the head of Wikileaks to stop him leaking videos which would expose the US military. No you don't sacrifice your freedoms ever or they disappear. As for issues with national security....that is an entirely different matter.To be fair that quote is very pretty but largely dismissed these days as quite silly. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a little freedom for security. See the Secret Service hunting down the head of Wikileaks to stop him leaking videos which would expose the US military. No you don't sacrifice your freedoms ever or they disappear. As for issues with national security....that is an entirely different matter. You guys have not sacrificed anything.You come here and talk about it right.What about China??People over there dont have freedom of speech.[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]NO NO NO. You don't compromise your freedoms. Ever. Or they are lost.
In the words of Ben
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No you don't sacrifice your freedoms ever or they disappear. As for issues with national security....that is an entirely different matter. You guys have not sacrificed anything.You come here and talk about it right.What about China??People over there dont have freedom of speech.False analogy. China doesn't offer the same freedoms. Second....we're not engaged in the activities that get the threats. So on the score, that analogy is also false.[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] To be fair that quote is very pretty but largely dismissed these days as quite silly. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a little freedom for security. See the Secret Service hunting down the head of Wikileaks to stop him leaking videos which would expose the US military. conistant
[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No you don't sacrifice your freedoms ever or they disappear. As for issues with national security....that is an entirely different matter.You guys have not sacrificed anything.You come here and talk about it right.What about China??People over there dont have freedom of speech.False analogy. China doesn't offer the same freedoms. Second....we're not engaged in the activities that get the threats. So on the score, that analogy is also false.LJS9502_basic
If you are not getting any threats then what are you sacrificing??We wake up in the morning and know that we can do what we normally do and get home safely.People in afghanistan,iraq,somalia and chechnya don't have that kind of freedom.They never know when they might be killed or by whom.It might be a bullet from the soldiers of the alliance or a bullet from some extremist.A single religion should not be blamed for violence.Its human nature.Ever since we were created we have been killing each other in the name of religion.Religions dont teach to kill innocent people.Humans use religion as an excuse for their own benefit.History has proven that.
We're talking freedom in the grand scheme of things. I'd imagine if I had a public way to view my ideas and was someone that made those comments.....I'd get them. But I'm not talking about minor individuals but the freedom IN GENERAL. And again...I'm not sure why you keep brining other countries into this...it's not a part of the discussion.:|If you are not getting any threats then what are you sacrificing??We wake up in the morning and know that we can do what we normally do and get home safely.People in afghanistan,iraq,somalia and chechnya don't have that kind of freedom.They never know when they might be killed or by whom.It might be a bullet from the soldiers of the alliance or a bullet from some extremist.A single religion should not be blamed for violence.Its human nature.Ever since we were created we have been killing each other in the name of religion.Religions dont teach to kill innocent people.Humans use religion as an excuse for their own benefit.History has proven that.
conistant
False analogy. China doesn't offer the same freedoms. Second....we're not engaged in the activities that get the threats. So on the score, that analogy is also false.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="conistant"] You guys have not sacrificed anything.You come here and talk about it right.What about China??People over there dont have freedom of speech.conistant
If you are not getting any threats then what are you sacrificing??We wake up in the morning and know that we can do what we normally do and get home safely.People in afghanistan,iraq,somalia and chechnya don't have that kind of freedom.They never know when they might be killed or by whom.It might be a bullet from the soldiers of the alliance or a bullet from some extremist.A single religion should not be blamed for violence.Its human nature.Ever since we were created we have been killing each other in the name of religion.Religions dont teach to kill innocent people.Humans use religion as an excuse for their own benefit.History has proven that.
you're right, people have been tortured, raped and killed in the name of religion since as far as we can remember. let me ask you a question: do you believe the world would be a better place without religion?
There's no such thing as "radical" Islam.It's just Islam - a political, military, and religious philosophy, whose followers have been using for 1400 years to either convert, or destroy the "infidels".It's not a religion of peace, and it never has been.It's time to tell the truth about it.Born_Lucky
i lol'd. And i guess all christians approve of white supremacy?
the rate of ignorance in this thread is unbelievable.
[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="krazy-blazer"] Your response is illogical, that's no way responding to my post. you stated Islam had no proof and i gave it to you take it or leave it. Just so you know Mohammad was a Bedouin he didn't know how to read or right, there was no way he could have known that.gubrushadowI will leave it. You seem to think that because a book makes a few predictions you THINK is true, it therefore means god is real. Well I do not believe that. well HE's not gonna be hurt or anything , HE's just gonna put you in hell and we will be watching . ( if we went to paradise ).
LMAO, please don't threaten us with your archaic beliefs.
We're talking freedom in the grand scheme of things. I'd imagine if I had a public way to view my ideas and was someone that made those comments.....I'd get them. But I'm not talking about minor individuals but the freedom IN GENERAL. And again...I'm not sure why you keep brining other countries into this...it's not a part of the discussion.:| I keep bringing other countries into the discussion because Islam is not confined to a single country and you seem to think that you are sacrificing alot of your freedoms.Truth is you have freedom of speech.Now if southpark was threatened how do you prove that it was not setup as publicity stunt.Showbiz is a dirty business and people do dirty things.I can say all these things because I live in India.We have dozens of religions here and we all exist peacefully.We don't go making fun of other religions or religious figures.We respect each others beliefs.I don't get it why this controversy started in the first place.Its like you want to intentionally make fun of other people's beliefs and hide behind freedom of speech excuse.Its like putting your hand in a beehive and not expecting the bees to sting you back.Each action has an equal and opposite reaction.[QUOTE="conistant"]
If you are not getting any threats then what are you sacrificing??We wake up in the morning and know that we can do what we normally do and get home safely.People in afghanistan,iraq,somalia and chechnya don't have that kind of freedom.They never know when they might be killed or by whom.It might be a bullet from the soldiers of the alliance or a bullet from some extremist.A single religion should not be blamed for violence.Its human nature.Ever since we were created we have been killing each other in the name of religion.Religions dont teach to kill innocent people.Humans use religion as an excuse for their own benefit.History has proven that.
LJS9502_basic
You're forgetting they didn't have to deal with the technology we have today. The people they fought were honorable people that settled their differences by a soldier's honor. They didn't have skyscrapers nor planes toslam into those skyscrapers. So "Wuh boy?! You besta shut yo mouth or come hither now boy"was moreconvenient back then. Now we are slaves and prisoners to our own technoloy. We alreadytook our own freedon & security away.
You're talking aboutAmericans that believed in an eye for aneye. If you even threatend their family or friendsthey would kill you, because they didn't tolerate terrorism. Now everyone is agullible bleeding heart that figures if they are nice to people they will be their friends. Butwhen you're inthe company of people that want to kill you they will keep you alive as long as you are useful or providing something but eventually they will kill you.
MagnumPI
War was nasty back then. Bad guys had no problem slaughtering innocents. Ever heard of pirates?
They didn't have our weaponry, sure. But humans have always had this cruelty. It isn't new to this century.
[QUOTE="conistant"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]False analogy. China doesn't offer the same freedoms. Second....we're not engaged in the activities that get the threats. So on the score, that analogy is also false.lazerface216
If you are not getting any threats then what are you sacrificing??We wake up in the morning and know that we can do what we normally do and get home safely.People in afghanistan,iraq,somalia and chechnya don't have that kind of freedom.They never know when they might be killed or by whom.It might be a bullet from the soldiers of the alliance or a bullet from some extremist.A single religion should not be blamed for violence.Its human nature.Ever since we were created we have been killing each other in the name of religion.Religions dont teach to kill innocent people.Humans use religion as an excuse for their own benefit.History has proven that.
you're right, people have been tortured, raped and killed in the name of religion since as far as we can remember. let me ask you a question: do you believe the world would be a better place without religion?
I have never thought of that.I have to study for my maths exam now.I will think about it later.But nice discussion we are having here.
Muslims murder thousands of people a month - if you can shoe me the news articles of Christians doing the same thing - you might have a point - otherwise you just sound ignorant.
The reason most people aren't aware, is because it only gets reported on international news.
For instance -
Muslims just killed 500 Christians in Nigeria - including babies who were still in diapers - they chopped off their arms and legs.
It didn't make the nightly news, because CNN was too busy demonizing the Tea Party - who have never hurt anyone.
[QUOTE="IWKYB"]Do you want me to post all the decap videos from many years ago to now? I do not condone what SOME soldiers are doing over there but those radicals have done much worst. krazy-blazerAnd 9/11 has been proven a thousand times it was an inside job. Wow, really, people still think it's an inside job.
Muslims murder thousands of people a month - if you can shoe me the news articles of Christians doing the same thing - you might have a point - otherwise you just sound ignorant.
The reason most people aren't aware, is because it only gets reported on international news.
For instance -
Muslims just killed 500 Christians in Nigeria - including babies who were still in diapers - they chopped off their arms and legs.
It didn't make the nightly news, because CNN was too busy demonizing the Tea Party - who have never hurt anyone.
Born_Lucky
Crusades....witch hunts?
I kinda find that funny. "I can say Islam is a violent religion but if you say christianity is then you're just ignorant!"
[QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]
Muslims murder thousands of people a month - if you can shoe me the news articles of Christians doing the same thing - you might have a point - otherwise you just sound ignorant.
The reason most people aren't aware, is because it only gets reported on international news.
For instance -
Muslims just killed 500 Christians in Nigeria - including babies who were still in diapers - they chopped off their arms and legs.
It didn't make the nightly news, because CNN was too busy demonizing the Tea Party - who have never hurt anyone.
Pixel-Pirate
Crusades....witch hunts?
I kinda find that funny. "I can say Islam is a violent religion but if you say christianity is then you're just ignorant!"
there is so much insight and truth in his post too. Some Christians are amazing.
[QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]
Muslims murder thousands of people a month - if you can shoe me the news articles of Christians doing the same thing - you might have a point - otherwise you just sound ignorant.
The reason most people aren't aware, is because it only gets reported on international news.
For instance -
Muslims just killed 500 Christians in Nigeria - including babies who were still in diapers - they chopped off their arms and legs.
It didn't make the nightly news, because CNN was too busy demonizing the Tea Party - who have never hurt anyone.
Pixel-Pirate
Crusades....witch hunts?
I kinda find that funny. "I can say Islam is a violent religion but if you say christianity is then you're just ignorant!"
Currently, there isn't large scale Christian violence in the world. Islam on the other hand was violent in its past and still is today.
Muslims murder thousands of people a month - if you can shoe me the news articles of Christians doing the same thing - you might have a point - otherwise you just sound ignorant.
The reason most people aren't aware, is because it only gets reported on international news.
For instance -
Muslims just killed 500 Christians in Nigeria - including babies who were still in diapers - they chopped off their arms and legs.
It didn't make the nightly news, because CNN was too busy demonizing the Tea Party - who have never hurt anyone.
Born_Lucky
are you kidding me?!?! just because it's not happening today doesn't mean it never happened. which it did.........a lot.
Sad to see threads like these.We muslims want to live in peace and people alienate us even more.We want to be your friends and you treat us like your enemies.All of this because some idiots who are not even true muslims,who buy guns from drug money,bomb mosques,churches,temples and kill not only people from other religions but muslims also are used as an example to describe how all muslims are.By reading most of the comments here I know now that people here have absolutely no knowledge of Islam or muslims in general.conistantI agree, the vast majority of Muslims are people just like you or me, they are not radicals. Even then, the top heads of these terrorists organization are doing it for political reasons, using religion as a propaganda tool.
The Crusades - Muslims had been terrorizing Europe, slaughtering Christians and even conquering Spain - for 300 years BEFORE the Crusades were launched,
The Witch Hunts - Witch hunts were conducted by the local governments - and the people they killed - were Christians.
Wanna try again???
Also it was more or less a result of Massachusetts losing it's Charter..the people were hysterical..The Crusades - Muslims had been terrorizing Europe, slaughtering Christians and even conquering Spain - for 300 years BEFORE the Crusades were launched,
The Witch Hunts - Witch hunts were conducted by the local governments - and the people they killed - were Christians.
Wanna try again???
Born_Lucky
The Crusades - Muslims had been terrorizing Europe, slaughtering Christians and even conquering Spain - for 300 years BEFORE the Crusades were launched,
The Witch Hunts - Witch hunts were conducted by the local governments - and the people they killed - were Christians.
Wanna try again???
Born_Lucky
"They did it too, so it was okay!"?
And it doesn't matter who the witch hunts targetted. What matters is that it was carried out in the name of the lord. I'm sure plenty Muslims die in terrorist attacks, that doesn't make them any better.
This thread reflects why the wars happened in the first place: ignorance and intolerance.
one_plum
Yep - ignorance of the murders Muslims are committing - like in Nigeria
and intolerance for anyone who tells the truth about it.
[QUOTE="one_plum"]
This thread reflects why the wars happened in the first place: ignorance and intolerance.
Born_Lucky
Yep - ignorance of the murders Muslims are committing - like in Nigeria
and intolerance for anyone who tells the truth about it.
Ignorance and intolerance on both sides to be more specific.
[QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]
The Crusades - Muslims had been terrorizing Europe, slaughtering Christians and even conquering Spain - for 300 years BEFORE the Crusades were launched,
The Witch Hunts - Witch hunts were conducted by the local governments - and the people they killed - were Christians.
Wanna try again???
Pixel-Pirate
"They did it too, so it was okay!"?
And it doesn't matter who the witch hunts targetted. What matters is that it was carried out in the name of the lord. I'm sure plenty Muslims die in terrorist attacks, that doesn't make them any better.
This might be the first time we agree on something. Good job, I agree 100% with you.Also - I see no one seems to care that the news didn't report the Nigerian massacre.
And no one has condemned the Muslims for slaughtering babies.
Muslims chop of people's hands, feet, tongues, genitals, and many times - their heads.
They set American citizens bodies on fire, and laugh as they burn.
They throw acid in the faces of little girls, if they try to attend school.
They stone women to death who have been raped, because they believe rape is the woman's fault.
They fly planes into buildings filled with innocent civilians.
They murder their own children.
They blow up airplanes filled with innocent people.
They murder people for drawing cartoons.
They celebrated in the streets by the millions on 9-11
And yet - the ignorant keep making excuses for them
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