we value human life.
my prime minister made a hard and brave choice after
gilad spend 5 years in prison.
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I doubt all 1027 of those people were terrorists.
this, and most of them spent more years than the Isareli prisoner .... anyway, that's a good deal, it brought some peace to both sides, more to the palastine side tho. Then again, they were presumably not kidnapped to be used as a bargaining chip.....palestinian prisoners=/=terrorist. show me convictions and legal proof that they were al terrorists. sadly you can't because anyone that talks to someone from hamas is considered a terrorist. Don't argue against me in that, I'm in Jordan if i talk to someone even casually from hamas my life is over( kept undervery close tabs.) so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does. half those people probably were thrown in prison on unconfirmed sucipision. Also I really find the thread title offensive would you kindly change it?mayceVLol. You do know Israeli Arab MPs visited Hamas during the reconciliation of Hamas-Fatah? So your conspiracy theories about Israel don't wash I'm afraid..."imagine if an Arab state is like what a Jewish state does"...people put Israel and Arab countries on a different pedestal for a reason. And there's nothing offensive about his title.
280 of those being released are mass murderers. I can't believe the Israeli cabinet actually agreed to this. Many Israeli's will die for their stupidity.
because the palestinian prisoners are dubbed detainees not Terrorists. If they were terrorists there is no way any government would release 1000 people bent on blowing themselves up in civil areas. so they aren't terrorists. maybe they had contacts with hamas but that doesn't equate to terrorism. that's like saying I'm dealing drugs because I talked to a drug dealer.mayceVAt least 280 of them are mass murderers....God knows how many of them are defined as "terrorists" (or freedom fighters":roll: ). So you're wrong. And that's not a good analogy. Israeli Arab MPs went and met the leaders of Hamas.Not "contacts". They met. You said, and I quote, "so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does", implying that you believe people who talk to Hamas are treated harshly by Israel.
To be fair, Israel would also kill 1027 terrorists to save one of their own. Not saying they would be wrong because I admire that. Just sayin........has nothing to do with valuing human life lol.we value human life.
my prime minister made a hard and brave choice after
gilad spend 5 years in prison.
yomanjdf
....palestinian prisoners=/=terrorist. show me convictions and legal proof that they were al terrorists. sadly you can't because anyone that talks to someone from hamas is considered a terrorist. Don't argue against me in that, I'm in Jordan if i talk to someone even casually from hamas my life is over( kept undervery close tabs.) so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does. half those people probably were thrown in prison on unconfirmed sucipision. Also I really find the thread title offensive would you kindly change it?mayceVSimple, don't talk to anyone from Hamas......why would you want to?
[QUOTE="mayceV"]because the palestinian prisoners are dubbed detainees not Terrorists. If they were terrorists there is no way any government would release 1000 people bent on blowing themselves up in civil areas. so they aren't terrorists. maybe they had contacts with hamas but that doesn't equate to terrorism. that's like saying I'm dealing drugs because I talked to a drug dealer.CannedWormsAt least 280 of them are mass murderers....God knows how many of them are defined as "terrorists" (or freedom fighters":roll: ). So you're wrong. And that's not a good analogy. Israeli Arab MPs went and met the leaders of Hamas.Not "contacts". They met. You said, and I quote, "so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does", implying that you believe people who talk to Hamas are treated harshly by Israel. you can't dub a detainee as a terrorist, you just can't. why? because many of the detainees are detained for causing problems at a checkpoint or running smuggling tunnels. Protests lead to being detained in a Isreali prison. terrorist are diffrent than detainees for that reason. Also most of the people are women children and elderly. And under the deal isrealis with family injured by the detainees have 48 hours to go for an appeal to keep them in Jail. so... agian the terrorists and murderers will probably stay behiend bars. If they don't that is the ireali civilians fault for not going to stop it. I'm agains the release of the murderers and terrorist. but the protestes the elderly the peace activicts should be released. which make a majority of the release list.
[QUOTE="mayceV"]....palestinian prisoners=/=terrorist. show me convictions and legal proof that they were al terrorists. sadly you can't because anyone that talks to someone from hamas is considered a terrorist. Don't argue against me in that, I'm in Jordan if i talk to someone even casually from hamas my life is over( kept undervery close tabs.) so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does. half those people probably were thrown in prison on unconfirmed sucipision. Also I really find the thread title offensive would you kindly change it?vfibsuxSimple, don't talk to anyone from Hamas......why would you want to? ...yeah because every hamas contact has a big sign labeled " Hi I'm Hamas." You never know who it is. so its best to just not talk politics outside of political science class.
How many of those detainees were actually terrorists?
[QUOTE="mayceV"]because the palestinian prisoners are dubbed detainees not Terrorists. If they were terrorists there is no way any government would release 1000 people bent on blowing themselves up in civil areas. so they aren't terrorists. maybe they had contacts with hamas but that doesn't equate to terrorism. that's like saying I'm dealing drugs because I talked to a drug dealer.CannedWormsAt least 280 of them are mass murderers....God knows how many of them are defined as "terrorists" (or freedom fighters":roll: ). So you're wrong. And that's not a good analogy. Israeli Arab MPs went and met the leaders of Hamas.Not "contacts". They met. You said, and I quote, "so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does", implying that you believe people who talk to Hamas are treated harshly by Israel. And you have a link supporting this I assume?
[QUOTE="CannedWorms"][QUOTE="mayceV"]because the palestinian prisoners are dubbed detainees not Terrorists. If they were terrorists there is no way any government would release 1000 people bent on blowing themselves up in civil areas. so they aren't terrorists. maybe they had contacts with hamas but that doesn't equate to terrorism. that's like saying I'm dealing drugs because I talked to a drug dealer.mayceVAt least 280 of them are mass murderers....God knows how many of them are defined as "terrorists" (or freedom fighters":roll: ). So you're wrong. And that's not a good analogy. Israeli Arab MPs went and met the leaders of Hamas.Not "contacts". They met. You said, and I quote, "so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does", implying that you believe people who talk to Hamas are treated harshly by Israel. you can't dub a detainee as a terrorist, you just can't. why? because many of the detainees are detained for causing problems at a checkpoint or running smuggling tunnels. Protests lead to being detained in a Isreali prison. terrorist are diffrent than detainees for that reason. Also most of the people are women children and elderly. And under the deal isrealis with family injured by the detainees have 48 hours to go for an appeal to keep them in Jail. so... agian the terrorists and murderers will probably stay behiend bars. If they don't that is the ireali civilians fault for not going to stop it. I'm agains the release of the murderers and terrorist. but the protestes the elderly the peace activicts should be released. which make a majority of the release list. Most of Israeli prisoners are women and children? Link please.......or I DO believe you are talking to Hamas.
[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="mayceV"]....palestinian prisoners=/=terrorist. show me convictions and legal proof that they were al terrorists. sadly you can't because anyone that talks to someone from hamas is considered a terrorist. Don't argue against me in that, I'm in Jordan if i talk to someone even casually from hamas my life is over( kept undervery close tabs.) so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does. half those people probably were thrown in prison on unconfirmed sucipision. Also I really find the thread title offensive would you kindly change it?mayceVSimple, don't talk to anyone from Hamas......why would you want to? ...yeah because every hamas contact has a big sign labeled " Hi I'm Hamas." You never know who it is. so its best to just not talk politics outside of political science class. Judging by my above quote of you maybe you have been talking to them......
[QUOTE="CannedWorms"][QUOTE="mayceV"]because the palestinian prisoners are dubbed detainees not Terrorists. If they were terrorists there is no way any government would release 1000 people bent on blowing themselves up in civil areas. so they aren't terrorists. maybe they had contacts with hamas but that doesn't equate to terrorism. that's like saying I'm dealing drugs because I talked to a drug dealer.mayceVAt least 280 of them are mass murderers....God knows how many of them are defined as "terrorists" (or freedom fighters":roll: ). So you're wrong. And that's not a good analogy. Israeli Arab MPs went and met the leaders of Hamas.Not "contacts". They met. You said, and I quote, "so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does", implying that you believe people who talk to Hamas are treated harshly by Israel. you can't dub a detainee as a terrorist, you just can't. why? because many of the detainees are detained for causing problems at a checkpoint or running smuggling tunnels. Protests lead to being detained in a Isreali prison. terrorist are diffrent than detainees for that reason. Also most of the people are women children and elderly. And under the deal isrealis with family injured by the detainees have 48 hours to go for an appeal to keep them in Jail. so... agian the terrorists and murderers will probably stay behiend bars. If they don't that is the ireali civilians fault for not going to stop it. I'm agains the release of the murderers and terrorist. but the protestes the elderly the peace activicts should be released. which make a majority of the release list.You haven't really read much on this have you? "Among the 450 prisoners to be released during the first stage of the deal, 279 were given life sentences." So no. They're male terrorists who have tried to make life hell for Israeli's. You're assumptions on prisoners being "women children and elderly" and for being "detained for causing problems at a checkpoint" is absolutely wrong and baseless. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4134628,00.html
[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"]At least 280 of them are mass murderers....God knows how many of them are defined as "terrorists" (or freedom fighters":roll: ). So you're wrong. And that's not a good analogy. Israeli Arab MPs went and met the leaders of Hamas.Not "contacts". They met. You said, and I quote, "so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does", implying that you believe people who talk to Hamas are treated harshly by Israel.vfibsuxyou can't dub a detainee as a terrorist, you just can't. why? because many of the detainees are detained for causing problems at a checkpoint or running smuggling tunnels. Protests lead to being detained in a Isreali prison. terrorist are diffrent than detainees for that reason. Also most of the people are women children and elderly. And under the deal isrealis with family injured by the detainees have 48 hours to go for an appeal to keep them in Jail. so... agian the terrorists and murderers will probably stay behiend bars. If they don't that is the ireali civilians fault for not going to stop it. I'm agains the release of the murderers and terrorist. but the protestes the elderly the peace activicts should be released. which make a majority of the release list. Most of Israeli prisoners are women and children? Link please.......or I DO believe you are talking to Hamas. well... not most, that's absurd but Judging from stories and older links and video... although it sounds like it'd confirm your idea that I'm taking to hamas ( which I am not. ) the word I've heard. there are women elderly and children detained in prisons in Isreal.
'Course.And you have a link supporting this I assume?
chessmaster1989
http://www.debka.com/article/21378/
[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"][QUOTE="mayceV"]because the palestinian prisoners are dubbed detainees not Terrorists. If they were terrorists there is no way any government would release 1000 people bent on blowing themselves up in civil areas. so they aren't terrorists. maybe they had contacts with hamas but that doesn't equate to terrorism. that's like saying I'm dealing drugs because I talked to a drug dealer.CannedWormsAt least 280 of them are mass murderers....God knows how many of them are defined as "terrorists" (or freedom fighters":roll: ). So you're wrong. And that's not a good analogy. Israeli Arab MPs went and met the leaders of Hamas.Not "contacts". They met. You said, and I quote, "so imagine if an arab state is like that what a Jewish state does", implying that you believe people who talk to Hamas are treated harshly by Israel. you can't dub a detainee as a terrorist, you just can't. why? because many of the detainees are detained for causing problems at a checkpoint or running smuggling tunnels. Protests lead to being detained in a Isreali prison. terrorist are diffrent than detainees for that reason. Also most of the people are women children and elderly. And under the deal isrealis with family injured by the detainees have 48 hours to go for an appeal to keep them in Jail. so... agian the terrorists and murderers will probably stay behiend bars. If they don't that is the ireali civilians fault for not going to stop it. I'm agains the release of the murderers and terrorist. but the protestes the elderly the peace activicts should be released. which make a majority of the release list.You haven't really read much on this have you? "Among the 450 prisoners to be released during the first stage of the deal, 279 were given life sentences." So no. They're male terrorists who have tried to make life hell for Israeli's. You're assumptions on prisoners being "women children and elderly" and for being "detained for causing problems at a checkpoint" is absolutely wrong and baseless. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4134628,00.html
you should read you're own linkk man it says all major terrorist won't be released.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/rightwing-minister-uzi-landau-shalit-swap-deal-is-great-victory-for-terrorism-1.389591
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15456088,00.html
More. P.s in that second link it states 27 of the prisoners are women. Majority...lol. Yeah right.
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
And you have a link supporting this I assume?
'Course.http://www.debka.com/article/21378/
all major terrorist won't be released, and anyone objecting will have a chance at an appeal. so don't over vbloat it. the terrorists. the guys that matter stayed in Jail and the small fries can be kept in jail if the families of the murderers ask for it.you should read you're own linkk man it says all major terrorist won't be released.mayceVUm. No I didn't. 490 first being released. "279 were given life sentences". Majority? Yes. Simple.
[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="mayceV"] you can't dub a detainee as a terrorist, you just can't. why? because many of the detainees are detained for causing problems at a checkpoint or running smuggling tunnels. Protests lead to being detained in a Isreali prison. terrorist are diffrent than detainees for that reason. Also most of the people are women children and elderly. And under the deal isrealis with family injured by the detainees have 48 hours to go for an appeal to keep them in Jail. so... agian the terrorists and murderers will probably stay behiend bars. If they don't that is the ireali civilians fault for not going to stop it. I'm agains the release of the murderers and terrorist. but the protestes the elderly the peace activicts should be released. which make a majority of the release list.mayceVMost of Israeli prisoners are women and children? Link please.......or I DO believe you are talking to Hamas. well... not most, that's absurd but Judging from stories and older links and video... although it sounds like it'd confirm your idea that I'm taking to hamas ( which I am not. ) the word I've heard. there are women elderly and children detained in prisons in Isreal. But you said "most" sir, your words not mine.
[QUOTE="mayceV"]you should read you're own linkk man it says all major terrorist won't be released.CannedWormsUm. No I didn't. 490 first being released. "279 were given life sentences". Majority? Yes. Simple. ....you do know you don't have to be osama bin ladin to be given a life sentence right?
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
And you have a link supporting this I assume?
'Course.http://www.debka.com/article/21378/
all major terrorist won't be released, and anyone objecting will have a chance at an appeal. so don't over vbloat it. the terrorists. the guys that matter stayed in Jail and the small fries can be kept in jail if the families of the murderers ask for it.Of course not all "major terrorists" are getting released....I never argued against that. 279 of 490 in the first phase are mass murderers. They're not "small fries".[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="vfibsux"] Most of Israeli prisoners are women and children? Link please.......or I DO believe you are talking to Hamas.vfibsuxwell... not most, that's absurd but Judging from stories and older links and video... although it sounds like it'd confirm your idea that I'm taking to hamas ( which I am not. ) the word I've heard. there are women elderly and children detained in prisons in Isreal. But you said "most" sir, your words not mine. what do you want? here this make you happy: you were right, I was wrong :)
[QUOTE="CannedWorms"][QUOTE="mayceV"]you should read you're own linkk man it says all major terrorist won't be released.mayceVUm. No I didn't. 490 first being released. "279 were given life sentences". Majority? Yes. Simple. ....you do know you don't have to be osama bin ladin to be given a life sentence right?Dude. 280 are mass murderers who were given life sentences. They are quite clearly terrorists. Shame you won't accept this and are willing to continue with you straw-man posts.
Here is a picture of Israel "valuing human life" (aka dropping white phosphorus on residential areas.)
[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"]'Course.all major terrorist won't be released, and anyone objecting will have a chance at an appeal. so don't over vbloat it. the terrorists. the guys that matter stayed in Jail and the small fries can be kept in jail if the families of the murderers ask for it.Of course not all "major terrorists" are getting released....I never argued against that. 279 of 490 in the first phase are mass murderers. They're not "small fries". and they can stay in jail if the family sends an appeal. I'm not seeing where you're taking this dead end man.http://www.debka.com/article/21378/
CannedWorms
[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"]Um. No I didn't. 490 first being released. "279 were given life sentences". Majority? Yes. Simple.CannedWorms....you do know you don't have to be osama bin ladin to be given a life sentence right?Dude. 280 are mass murderers who were given life sentences. They are quite clearly terrorists. Shame you won't accept this and are willing to continue with you straw-man posts. Do you happen to have their names and how many people each has murdered to be put in the exclusive club of mass murderer with Hitler and Stalin?
Wow... where are mods when you need them to lock a thread? This is getting absurdly ugly, and I'm not seeing a single damned thing of value coming of this "discussion".
Of course not all "major terrorists" are getting released....I never argued against that. 279 of 490 in the first phase are mass murderers. They're not "small fries". and they can stay in jail if the family sends an appeal. I'm not seeing where you're taking this dead end man.You've got it wrong. They're setting up a helpline for objections...which won't change a thing. 280 mass murderers are set to be released. They will be released. No dead ends here, man.[QUOTE="CannedWorms"][QUOTE="mayceV"] all major terrorist won't be released, and anyone objecting will have a chance at an appeal. so don't over vbloat it. the terrorists. the guys that matter stayed in Jail and the small fries can be kept in jail if the families of the murderers ask for it.mayceV
[QUOTE="mayceV"]
Of course not all "major terrorists" are getting released....I never argued against that. 279 of 490 in the first phase are mass murderers. They're not "small fries".CannedWormsand they can stay in jail if the family sends an appeal. I'm not seeing where you're taking this dead end man.You've got it wrong. They're setting up a helpline for objections...which won't change a thing. 280 mass murderers are set to be released. They will be released. No dead ends here, man. well then I'm against the move, simple.
I suppose you're going to ignore the fact that Palestinians have used white phosphorus on Israel? And Israel used white phosphorus in almost always unpopulated areas.Here is a picture of Israel "valuing human life" (aka dropping white phosphorus on residential areas.)
EntropyWins
[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]
Here is a picture of Israel "valuing human life" (aka dropping white phosphorus on residential areas.)
Some human lives are more valuable than others. Jews are more valuable than Arab yokels.
lies. we only kill terrorists
mmm poor 14 children that were killed in that elemetery school and those hospitalized patients that had to get out of the hospital even if they were in critical condition. I guess those people don't deserve life because they are generalized as terrorist based on the actions of around 16000 militants? Don't justify anything of the gaza assult there is nothing isreal or hamas did right there. it was just a blood bath for the civilians. plain. simple.[QUOTE="mayceV"] and they can stay in jail if the family sends an appeal. I'm not seeing where you're taking this dead end man.
You've got it wrong. They're setting up a helpline for objections...which won't change a thing. 280 mass murderers are set to be released. They will be released. No dead ends here, man. well then I'm against the move, simple. Thank you.[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]
Here is a picture of Israel "valuing human life" (aka dropping white phosphorus on residential areas.)
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