Italy *may* ban the Burqa

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14380793

Which country will be next? Or will there be a next country?

Edit: Oh, and I guess Germany.

Italy has France envy.

Hooray Religous freedom, what is next requring devout cathloics to only two kids?

Good, it's nothing short of sexual repression

Good, it's nothing short of sexual repression

CaveJohnson1

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

Good, it's nothing short of sexual repression

SaudiFury

Good for them, I hope Canada follows suit sometime soon.

See? This is why I hate extremists of all beliefs. They give said beliefs a bad reputation and those of said beliefs get persecuted over it. :|The-Apostle

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

Good, it's nothing short of sexual repression

CaveJohnson1

Persoanlly i don't like the niqab, but i see this as nothing short of bigotry under the guise of doing the women a favor.

The woman who wears nearly nothing is A - ok, but the woman who wears a niqab or even a hijab, is apparently repressed or is pushing her religious views on everyone. It's a double standard, straight up.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] you serious? how many Muslim women who wear the niqab do you know? i'm guessing not many. just easier to assume their all repressed.SaudiFury

If I see a country ban Catholic school girl uniforms next I'm going to get very grumpy, very quickly.nocoolnamejim

Concealment isn't an issue with those :D

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]See? This is why I hate extremists of all beliefs. They give said beliefs a bad reputation and those of said beliefs get persecuted over it. :|CannedWorms

Personally, I actually don't believe in multiculturalism, but I also hate persecution. I just think that if a Muslim woman wants to wear a Burka she should be allowed to wear it.

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]See? This is why I hate extremists of all beliefs. They give said beliefs a bad reputation and those of said beliefs get persecuted over it. :|The-Apostle

Personally, I actually don't believe in multiculturalism, but I also hate persecution. I just think that if a Muslim woman wants to wear a Burka she should be allowed to wear it.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]The culture is repressing women, and nothing less.

CaveJohnson1

So what are they going to do if someone wears one? Forcibly strip them?

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]Personally I think this is Italy's government way of saying "multi-culturism has not worked" and "we want to stop Islamisation".

Vinegar_Strokes

Personally, I actually don't believe in multiculturalism, but I also hate persecution. I just think that if a Muslim woman wants to wear a Burka she should be allowed to wear it.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] if you say so....SaudiFury

Wow, italy doing something right. These things are a disgrace, I can't wear a mask at my school on halloween, they can't wear this, period.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]Gez, the country in ur name doesn't even let women drive....

Vinegar_Strokes

Good, it's nothing short of sexual repression

CaveJohnson1

So what are they going to do if someone wears one? Forcibly strip them?

Oleg_Huzwog

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"]

Personally, I actually don't believe in multiculturalism, but I also hate persecution. I just think that if a Muslim woman wants to wear a Burka she should be allowed to wear it.

nocoolnamejim

Wow, italy doing something right. These things are a disgrace, I can't wear a mask at my school on halloween, they can't wear this, period.

fooZar777

Don't nuns also wear stuff similar? The full mask one does make me nervous, due to all the hate that I heard growing up, but they deserve freedom as much as the next person.

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

Wow, italy doing something right. These things are a disgrace, I can't wear a mask at my school on halloween, they can't wear this, period.

ShadowDeathX

It hasn't be banned yet...ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="SaudiFury"] and i'm not defending that law or many of the laws. your missing my point completely. if a woman wears a hijab or even the niqab (which i don't particularly like) what is it any of your business that she wears it? I mean you live in a country where women could basically walk around naked and nobody blinks an eye. hell.... they got nude beach's even. I'm merely pointing a double standard.SaudiFury

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

Wow, italy doing something right. These things are a disgrace, I can't wear a mask at my school on halloween, they can't wear this, period.

ShadowDeathX

The issue for me is the concealment of the face, not women's rights.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"] the big difference there is the word 'could' SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"] the big difference there is the word 'could' SaltyMeatballs

That may be true but women should still be free to wear them.

I just changed my mind on this issue all the sudden, I think it was a good idea to ban them, because burqas are just taking away woman freedom. If a religion treats women like objects, then it is a bad religion.

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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] yes, and in an apparently free society, a Muslim woman cannot wear her hijab or possibly her niqab. That's my point though.

SaudiFury

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] yes, and in an apparently free society, a Muslim woman cannot wear her hijab or possibly her niqab. That's my point though.

The-Apostle

That may be true but women should still be free to wear them.

They were always told that they are not as good as men and that they have to wear them so they cannot be disrespectful. They are forced to wear them, and if they are wanting to wear them, then it sounds like they have been successfully brainwashed to think that they are worthless baby makers.

Good. This is win for the woman.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Those were never symbols of freedom and never will be.

M4Ntan

That may be true but women should still be free to wear them.

They were always told that they are not as good as men and that they have to wear them so they cannot be disrespectful. They are forced to wear them, and if they are wanting to wear them, then it sounds like they have been successfully brainwashed to think that they are worthless baby makers.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"] the big difference there is the word 'could' SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] yes, and in an apparently free society, a Muslim woman cannot wear her hijab or possibly her niqab. That's my point though.

SaudiFury

[QUOTE="M4Ntan"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]

That may be true but women should still be free to wear them.

ShadowDeathX

They were always told that they are not as good as men and that they have to wear them so they cannot be disrespectful. They are forced to wear them, and if they are wanting to wear them, then it sounds like they have been successfully brainwashed to think that they are worthless baby makers.

Most likely their husband forces them to wear it, and if not then who knows what he will do to her.

Men can have disgusting, long beards, but women can't show their head? What?

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Those were never symbols of freedom and never will be.

LJS9502_basic

meh, eventually it will be banned in all of Europe

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="fooZar777"] yes because a Burqa is a mask, -.- wow...fooZar777

The issue for me is the concealment of the face, not women's rights.

Yes, this is my problem with the Burqa, I just feel so uncomfortable talking to someone wearing it. Some women wearing the Burqa are being repressed while others do it out of choice, but I know more than 1 person who feels forced into wearing the Burqa because its her families 'culture' or 'tradition'. Its a diffcult problem to solve, if you ban it then the people who do it out of choice will say they are being repressed but if you don't, the people who are being repressed, continue to be so.

On another topic, Saudi Arabia has a TERRIBLE human rights record; I would never want to visit there. That is the issue I think the world needs to address, but they feel threatened because of Saudi Arabia's Oil reserves...Just wait till that dries up:) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia#Women.27s_rights

if you think so, ask a Muslim woman who wears a niqab. to her she's no longer being sexually objectified and is being taken for her words, with her looks not taken into account to influence that person's opinion of her. SaudiFury

Also, to SaudiFury, I don't care about how attractive a women is when I talk to her and it doesn't affect my opinion of her in general.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="M4Ntan"]

They were always told that they are not as good as men and that they have to wear them so they cannot be disrespectful. They are forced to wear them, and if they are wanting to wear them, then it sounds like they have been successfully brainwashed to think that they are worthless baby makers.

M4Ntan

Most likely their husband forces them to wear it, and if not then who knows what he will do to her.

you have it misunderstood. I use to believe that as well but then I got some Muslims friends.

They aren't forced to wear it. Once they become of age, they have a choice of either to wear it or not to wear it. T

hat is why you see some Muslim women who do wear it and some who don't.

It is the same thing as a person who wears a more conservative style of clothes and some one wearing a more liberal style of clothes. Its is following tradition but they aren't forced to follow it.

What would you do, if you were forced to wear speedos everywhere you go because normal clothes is banned??

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] you serious? how many Muslim women who wear the niqab do you know? i'm guessing not many. just easier to assume their all repressed.SaudiFury

Persoanlly i don't like the niqab, but i see this as nothing short of bigotry under the guise of doing the women a favor.

The woman who wears nearly nothing is A - ok, but the woman who wears a niqab or even a hijab, is apparently repressed or is pushing her religious views on everyone. It's a double standard, straight up.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

Good, it's nothing short of sexual repression

SaudiFury

Living near Dearborn in Michigan I tend to see quite a few. I'm good friends with a few of the women who wear them and they aren't very religious but the family is. I'm told they are afraid to not wear one because at best it usually results in being booted out of the house and at worst they get killed (you hear about this more then you would think). Sounds like repression to me if they are afraid to not wear a niqab don't you think?