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#1 LJS9502_basic
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"We" are still intolerant of other's race, gender, sexual orientation, and religious beliefs. Why is that? Is humanity destined to never reach enlightenedment? I for one have no problem with the differences between people...but after spending the morning reading some of these threads I have come to the conclusion that there is no hope that humans will do the right thing.

Your thoughts?

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#2 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Humans aren't perfect. They can't conform to any other standard except one that happens naturally, with a few exceptions of course.
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#3 DrSponge
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There will never be a time where everyone is tolerant of everyone else.
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#4 Smoke89
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As I have quoted "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity..." - Einstein. Also, as I have said before ignorance is rapidly meshing with stupidity, to the point I cannot discern the two. People these days are extremely critical, and widely ignorant to most everything. It is how the world is and how it will stay unfortunately.
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#5 Redgarl
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I am insane enought to believe that I can change the world and not being change by the world...

You are weak! :P

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#6 LJS9502_basic
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Humans aren't perfect. They can't conform to any other standard except one that happens naturally, with a few exceptions of course.Genetic_Code
But it's not hard to accept that we are all different. Why does it matter that someone is a different race or gender? Does it bother one that they have different beliefs so much that it's a quest to continually insult those beliefs? Why does it matter who someone is attracted to in life? Does it hurt you? NO.
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#7 MetalGear_Ninty
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I think the level of intolerance by people is very much overestimated beyond the actual levels of intolerance. I think its a bit crap that, you can have several, tolerant and understanding people, then for every ten of those you get one intolerant person -- and then suddenly a black mark is put on all of us.
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#8 Franklinstein
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Nah, one day the ignorant will be few, and the wise plenty, assuming we don't kill ourselves first.
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#9 Wilfred_Owen
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Listen bra, intolerance is whats in, its the "it" thing.
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#10 LJS9502_basic
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I think the level of intolerance by people is very much overestimated beyond the actual levels of intolerance. I think its a bit crap that, you can have several, tolerant and understanding people, then for every ten of those you get one intolerant person -- and then suddenly a black mark is put on all of us.MetalGear_Ninty
I'm, not saying everyone is intolerant. I, myself, am not intolerant. So I'd hardly paint everyone that way. But it seems that the intolerant outweigh the tolerant.
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#11 horgen  Moderator
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Many are afraid of what they do not know well. Going by what the media shows its easy to think that every muslim will blow themselves up.
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#12 Smoke89
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Nah, one day the ignorant will be few, and the wise plenty, assuming we don't kill ourselves first.Franklinstein

How wisdom will sweep what we call mankind has me utterly baffled. Intolerance, ignorance, illiteracy and indifference make up a large majority of people.... So unless some Utopian society of the tolerant, literate, educated, and people who give a damn develops I don't see such a thing happening.

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#13 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I think the level of intolerance by people is very much overestimated beyond the actual levels of intolerance. I think its a bit crap that, you can have several, tolerant and understanding people, then for every ten of those you get one intolerant person -- and then suddenly a black mark is put on all of us.LJS9502_basic
I'm, not saying everyone is intolerant. I, myself, am not intolerant. So I'd hardly paint everyone that way. But it seems that the intolerant outweigh the tolerant.

Really? I don't believe that. Mind you, the general levels of douchebaggery on this forum has been at an all time high recently.
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#14 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Why does it matter that someone is a different race or gender?LJS9502_basic
People hold beliefs, values, and preferences that do not seem to have a distinct origin.
Does it bother one that they have different beliefs so much that it's a quest to continually insult those beliefs?LJS9502_basic
Maybe it's their belief that insults are the proper way to critique someone.
Why does it matter who someone is attracted to in life? Does it hurt you? NO.LJS9502_basic
You double space after periods? Weird, I thought that was so last century. :P As for your question, I don't think it matters to me, you, or anyone else in this thread who Elton John is attracted to. It does not hurt the person, or it shouldn't, but people have developed a tendency to care for things that are unrelated to them, because they think it is related to them, that the issue is important to them, because humans have a tendency to want an input on virtually everything.
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#15 Redgarl
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I think the level of intolerance by people is very much overestimated beyond the actual levels of intolerance. I think its a bit crap that, you can have several, tolerant and understanding people, then for every ten of those you get one intolerant person -- and then suddenly a black mark is put on all of us.MetalGear_Ninty
Peoples are pretty tolerent, but they are by far not too bright. It's a shame you know that all our exploits are made due a small elite in the society.

Just take for exemple a TV... Would you be able to to build one in your garage? The answer is no, it takes a lot of knowledge only to choose the electrical resistances.

All this to simply say that peoples are as ignorant in today life. They can't even get a clear answer from all the medias they are taking notice of. They never really searched for an answer by themselve, they prefer getting an already all made opinion easy to swallow. I call this the supermarket syndrome, you buy already made food to save time cooking at home... an easy and fast answer to a problem... and we all know where it has lead us... is it the worst financial crisis since 1929...?

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#16 Blood-Scribe
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I'm apathetic about it, and I don't think there's going to be a point in human history in which we'll all be able to forget about all of our differences. Plus, I think it'd be boring if we reached a point in which there weren't any conflicts between people.
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#17 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I think the level of intolerance by people is very much overestimated beyond the actual levels of intolerance. I think its a bit crap that, you can have several, tolerant and understanding people, then for every ten of those you get one intolerant person -- and then suddenly a black mark is put on all of us.MetalGear_Ninty
I'm, not saying everyone is intolerant. I, myself, am not intolerant. So I'd hardly paint everyone that way. But it seems that the intolerant outweigh the tolerant.

Really? I don't believe that. Mind you, the general levels of douchebaggery on this forum has been at an all time high recently.

Well I did spend the morning reading threads dealing with racial prejudice, homophobia, gender roles, and intolerance to the beliefs of others. That might have something to do with my pessimistic outlook right now.
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#18 MetalGear_Ninty
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I'm apathetic about it, and I don't think there's going to be a point in human history in which we'll all be able to forget about all of our differences. Plus, I think it'd be boring if we reached a point in which there weren't any conflicts between people.Blood-Scribe
I'm not trying to insult you here, but is there anything you're not apathetic about?
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#19 ferron321
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"We" are still intolerant of other's race, gender, sexual orientation, and religious beliefs. Why is that? Is humanity destined to never reach enlightenedment? I for one have no problem with the differences between people...but after spending the morning reading some of these threads I have come to the conclusion that there is no hope that humans will do the right thing.

Your thoughts?

LJS9502_basic
Because with race and religious beliefs come certain personal characteristics or generalizations that others don't feel comfortable with.
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#20 Redgarl
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm, not saying everyone is intolerant. I, myself, am not intolerant. So I'd hardly paint everyone that way. But it seems that the intolerant outweigh the tolerant. LJS9502_basic
Really? I don't believe that. Mind you, the general levels of douchebaggery on this forum has been at an all time high recently.

Well I did spend the morning reading threads dealing with racial prejudice, homophobia, gender roles, and intolerance to the beliefs of others. That might have something to do with my pessimistic outlook right now.

Welcome to america where your rights are what matter and where your responsibilities are a cancer to our society.
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#21 Blood-Scribe
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I'm apathetic about it, and I don't think there's going to be a point in human history in which we'll all be able to forget about all of our differences. Plus, I think it'd be boring if we reached a point in which there weren't any conflicts between people.MetalGear_Ninty
I'm not trying to insult you here, but is there anything you're not apathetic about?

There's some issues in my personal life that I need to maintain, but other than that, I don't care about what people do. It's not my business.

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#22 XxSTILL_BORNxX
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Yeah im with you on the same page but to be honest, most people don't care and will never think like that....sadly.
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#23 LJS9502_basic
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Maybe it's their belief that insults are the proper way to critique someone. You double space after periods? Weird, I thought that was so last century. :P As for your question, I don't think it matters to me, you, or anyone else in this thread who Elton John is attracted to. It does not hurt the person, or it shouldn't, but people have developed a tendency to care for things that are unrelated to them, because they think it is related to them, that the issue is important to them, because humans have a tendency to want an input on virtually everything.Genetic_Code
I have no patience for those that generalize and stereotype. Perhaps they are too provencial and need to see the world.

Insults are never the right way to discuss.

Did I double space? Sometimes I suppose to make it easier to read. But not always.

But why is it important to them what someone does privately that doesn't involve them? As long as it's not a criminal activity and no one is getting hurt they should not concern themselves. I'd wager some of these same people are involved in activities that hurt others.

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#24 Maniacc1
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It is impossible to realistically imagine a world where everyone is perfect, everyone gets along, there is no competition, hatred and jealousy are gone, and everyone is tolerant of everyone's ideas. It's hard wired into our brains, and it will never go away.
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#25 Redgarl
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It is impossible to realistically imagine a world where everyone is perfect, everyone gets along, there is no competition, hatred and jealousy are gone, and everyone is tolerant of everyone's ideas. It's hard wired into our brains, and it will never go away. Maniacc1
You just told us the reason why communism was an utopia.
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#26 duxup
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For the most part provided people aren't hurting each other I'm not concerned by what they do, or are.
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#27 TheOddQuantum
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Humans are stupid, bigoted and ignorant. And this will never change. Get ready for another year of that.
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#28 LJS9502_basic
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Humans are stupid, bigoted and ignorant. And this will never change. Get ready for another year of that.TheOddQuantum
That's depressing.:(
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#29 MattUD1
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You might be a little late to the party.
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#30 Funky_Llama
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Human nature is pretty screwed up. It's hard for people to overcome intolerance because that's the way they're wired.
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#31 Maniacc1
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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]It is impossible to realistically imagine a world where everyone is perfect, everyone gets along, there is no competition, hatred and jealousy are gone, and everyone is tolerant of everyone's ideas. It's hard wired into our brains, and it will never go away. Redgarl
You just told us the reason why communism was an utopia.

Didn't mean to :P. Communism will never work anyways.
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#32 LJS9502_basic
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Human nature is pretty screwed up. It's hard for people to overcome intolerance because that's the way they're wired.Funky_Llama
See I don't believe that. It's the way they want to be wired. I'm not intolerant by nature.
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#33 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Human nature is pretty screwed up. It's hard for people to overcome intolerance because that's the way they're wired.LJS9502_basic
See I don't believe that. It's the way they want to be wired. I'm not intolerant by nature.

But why do they want to be wired like that?
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#34 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Human nature is pretty screwed up. It's hard for people to overcome intolerance because that's the way they're wired.Funky_Llama
See I don't believe that. It's the way they want to be wired. I'm not intolerant by nature.

But why do they want to be wired like that?

Don't know. But I do know babies are not born racist, sexist, homophobic, nor intolerant. These characteristics are taught.
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#35 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I'm apathetic about it, and I don't think there's going to be a point in human history in which we'll all be able to forget about all of our differences. Plus, I think it'd be boring if we reached a point in which there weren't any conflicts between people.Blood-Scribe

I'm not trying to insult you here, but is there anything you're not apathetic about?

There's some issues in my personal life that I need to maintain, but other than that, I don't care about what people do. It's not my business.

Fair enough, I guess.
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#36 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm, not saying everyone is intolerant. I, myself, am not intolerant. So I'd hardly paint everyone that way. But it seems that the intolerant outweigh the tolerant. LJS9502_basic
Really? I don't believe that. Mind you, the general levels of douchebaggery on this forum has been at an all time high recently.

Well I did spend the morning reading threads dealing with racial prejudice, homophobia, gender roles, and intolerance to the beliefs of others. That might have something to do with my pessimistic outlook right now.

I see what you mean. Any threads in particular that you're thinking about?
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]See I don't believe that. It's the way they want to be wired. I'm not intolerant by nature.LJS9502_basic
But why do they want to be wired like that?

Don't know. But I do know babies are not born racist, sexist, homophobic, nor intolerant. These characteristics are taught.

You get it from your parents. Much of it.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]But why do they want to be wired like that?horgen123
Don't know. But I do know babies are not born racist, sexist, homophobic, nor intolerant. These characteristics are taught.

You get it from your parents. Much of it.

Family and schools are the main means of socialization for children.
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#39 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]But why do they want to be wired like that?horgen123
Don't know. But I do know babies are not born racist, sexist, homophobic, nor intolerant. These characteristics are taught.

You get it from your parents. Much of it.

Yeah...but that means people want to be hardwired that way...not that they are. Which funky disagreed with.
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[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Don't know. But I do know babies are not born racist, sexist, homophobic, nor intolerant. These characteristics are taught.LJS9502_basic
You get it from your parents. Much of it.

Yeah...but that means people want to be hardwired that way...not that they are. Which funky disagreed with.

Being able to tell that you are hardwired like that. I doubt people will realize that.
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#41 btaylor2404
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LJS, sadly I agree with you. We may never make it to the point where people disagree but respect each other.
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#42 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]See I don't believe that. It's the way they want to be wired. I'm not intolerant by nature.LJS9502_basic
But why do they want to be wired like that?

Don't know. But I do know babies are not born racist, sexist, homophobic, nor intolerant. These characteristics are taught.

Couldn't there be an element of both - and couldn't they be characteristics that develop over time? It just seems odd that things like these would be universal, in any culture, if they're taught.
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#43 LJS9502_basic
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Couldn't there be an element of both - and couldn't they be characteristics that develop over time? It just seems odd that things like these would be universal, in any culture, if they're taught.Funky_Llama
Taught is not hardwired though. Anything taught can be "untaught" as well. So why do people hang onto to intolerance?
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#44 Teenaged
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I agree with LJS. People are not born that way nor do I think there is a certain disposition to some characteristics by genes or whatever. It's how you are brought, what your religion is etc. See this for example: I have read that the human brain as a structure has sustained minimum to none alterations since prehistoric times. Scientists say that even if a baby is born by today's people, if raised in a prehistoric environment it will completely blend in and act like a prehistoric person with nothing distinguishing it from his environment.

By that I believe that upbringing takes the blame for almost every aspect of ones character.

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There will never be a time where everyone is tolerant of everyone else.DrSponge
Exactly. It will never happen.
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#46 legend26
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well thank you for making me feel bad on the first day of 2009 :|, yes its sad but i think there will never be a time when mankind can fully respect and love eachother.
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] Couldn't there be an element of both - and couldn't they be characteristics that develop over time? It just seems odd that things like these would be universal, in any culture, if they're taught.LJS9502_basic
Taught is not hardwired though. Anything taught can be "untaught" as well. So why do people hang onto to intolerance?

Llama I think LJS is spot on here. Any, and I mean any day-care I go to with 2-3 year olds they all play together like there's nothing wrong. My wife volunteers at the local elementary school, in Kindergarten same thing, all kids play together, by 3rd-5th grade you start to see the shift where they hang out with people like them, that has to be something that's taught at home purposely or not. Seeing mom & dad have only black or white friends has to have an effect.

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#48 AirGuitarist87
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For as long as there is a norm, there will be people intolerant of those who stray beyond it. A very primal instinct is to assume that which is different is bad until proven otherwise. Unfortunately people are incessantly stubborn with their beliefs and anything proving them wrong is wrong in one way or another (an exception or an act) and they will continue to believe whatever nonsense they want, often passing them down to their offspring.
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#49 Bourbons3
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Society can only tolerate one change at a time, unfortunately.
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#50 Hewkii
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is this a yearly thing?