Knowledgeable Christians: Why is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost unforgivable?

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#51 poptart
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[QUOTE="-eddy-"]Ok, first, what's the Holy Ghost?moonlightcharm6

it when Jesus died his spirit left behind. you shouldn't blaspheme it because the holy ghost is send as a comforter a helper. the little voice inside that tells you to do the right thing to do.(conscience) it's there to help you so you shouldn't try to tell it off. that's biting the hand that feed you things like that never end well.

The Holy Ghost is our conscience/mind? How do we blaspheme aginst our own minds?

'GO **** YOURSELF BRAIN I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU AND YOUR THOUGHTS'

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#52 chessmaster1989
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This thread needs moar mindstorm...
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#53 mindstorm
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This thread needs moar mindstorm...chessmaster1989
*sees his bat signal in the sky* Basically, the only unforgivable sin is denying the work of Christ and denying Christ as Lord and Savior. Lengthy response: The sin is attributing to Satan what is accomplished by the power of God, and doing this through the flagrant, willful, and persistent rejection of God and his commands. This sin is committed today only by unbelievers who deliberately and unchangeably reject the ministry of the Holy Spirit in calling them to salvation. One who asks to be forgiven for disrespectful words hastily spoken against Jesus (the Son of Man) or God will be forgiven. But blasphemy against the Holy Spirit-that is, the persistent and unrepentant resistance against the work of the Holy Spirit and his message concerning Jesus (cf. Acts 7:51)-this, Jesus says, will not be forgiven. The person who persists in hardening his heart against God, against the work of the Holy Spirit, and against the provision of Christ as Savior, is outside the reach of God's provision for forgiveness and salvation. Christians often worry that they have committed this sin, but such a concern is itself evidence of an openness to the work of the Spirit.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]This thread needs moar mindstorm...mindstorm
*sees his bat signal in the sky* Basically, the only unforgivable sin is denying the work of Christ and denying Christ as Lord and Savior. Lengthy response: The sin is attributing to Satan what is accomplished by the power of God, and doing this through the flagrant, willful, and persistent rejection of God and his commands. This sin is committed today only by unbelievers who deliberately and unchangeably reject the ministry of the Holy Spirit in calling them to salvation. One who asks to be forgiven for disrespectful words hastily spoken against Jesus (the Son of Man) or God will be forgiven. But blasphemy against the Holy Spirit-that is, the persistent and unrepentant resistance against the work of the Holy Spirit and his message concerning Jesus (cf. Acts 7:51)-this, Jesus says, will not be forgiven. The person who persists in hardening his heart against God, against the work of the Holy Spirit, and against the provision of Christ as Savior, is outside the reach of God's provision for forgiveness and salvation. Christians often worry that they have committed this sin, but such a concern is itself evidence of an openness to the work of the Spirit.

And the lord said "Let there be mindstorm", and behold! :o

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#55 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]This thread needs moar mindstorm...chessmaster1989

*sees his bat signal in the sky* Basically, the only unforgivable sin is denying the work of Christ and denying Christ as Lord and Savior. Lengthy response: The sin is attributing to Satan what is accomplished by the power of God, and doing this through the flagrant, willful, and persistent rejection of God and his commands. This sin is committed today only by unbelievers who deliberately and unchangeably reject the ministry of the Holy Spirit in calling them to salvation. One who asks to be forgiven for disrespectful words hastily spoken against Jesus (the Son of Man) or God will be forgiven. But blasphemy against the Holy Spirit-that is, the persistent and unrepentant resistance against the work of the Holy Spirit and his message concerning Jesus (cf. Acts 7:51)-this, Jesus says, will not be forgiven. The person who persists in hardening his heart against God, against the work of the Holy Spirit, and against the provision of Christ as Savior, is outside the reach of God's provision for forgiveness and salvation. Christians often worry that they have committed this sin, but such a concern is itself evidence of an openness to the work of the Spirit.

And the lord said "Let there be mindstorm", and behold! :o

:shock:

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...I couldn't resist. :P

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#56 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] *sees his bat signal in the sky* Basically, the only unforgivable sin is denying the work of Christ and denying Christ as Lord and Savior. Lengthy response: The sin is attributing to Satan what is accomplished by the power of God, and doing this through the flagrant, willful, and persistent rejection of God and his commands. This sin is committed today only by unbelievers who deliberately and unchangeably reject the ministry of the Holy Spirit in calling them to salvation. One who asks to be forgiven for disrespectful words hastily spoken against Jesus (the Son of Man) or God will be forgiven. But blasphemy against the Holy Spirit-that is, the persistent and unrepentant resistance against the work of the Holy Spirit and his message concerning Jesus (cf. Acts 7:51)-this, Jesus says, will not be forgiven. The person who persists in hardening his heart against God, against the work of the Holy Spirit, and against the provision of Christ as Savior, is outside the reach of God's provision for forgiveness and salvation. Christians often worry that they have committed this sin, but such a concern is itself evidence of an openness to the work of the Spirit.mindstorm

And the lord said "Let there be mindstorm", and behold! :o

:shock:

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...I couldn't resist. :P

That's awesome :lol::P

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#57 JudgementEden
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

I posted a response to your question earlier in this thread, not sure if you missed it.

th3warr1or
Yeah, I read it. Makes sense too.

First of all, Noone on Earth has blasphamed the Holy Ghost as far as I'm concerned. And yes, for sure it is the unpardonable sin.

Why? It means because you have insulted YAHAVEE, and I believe that means his soul. If you do that, that means you have rejected everything to do with God. I also believe that it can only be done after you die, you have to do it in spiritual form. No, it is rarely done. Good guys don't do it, bad guys don't have the smarts or the guts to attempt to do it.

That is my understanding.

outworld222
This also makes...some sense. Except the part where you still can be forgiven for Blaspheming against God.

I believe the mod Gabu is right. He always posts some very insightful things on Christian topics. Very smart individual. He is most definitely the most right about this.
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#58 JudgementEden
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

And the lord said "Let there be mindstorm", and behold! :o

chessmaster1989

:shock:

osteen

...I couldn't resist. :P

That's awesome :lol::P

Is that real? Does it say that God created Joel on the eighth day? How arrogant. Joel needs to get off his pedestal.

EDIT: Mindstorm, your explanation was very good as well. Very similar to Gabu's.

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#59 mindstorm
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Is that real? Does it say that God created Joel on the eighth day? How arrogant. Joel needs to get off his pedestal.

JudgementEden

Yes, it is real. And yes, I do agree. He's not really my favorite pastor...

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#60 papermariofan57
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Well God, Jesus and Holy Spirit forms one single person. In my perspective, I guess that God is like the emotion part of the body, the knowledge, Jesus is the real human part, the words that comes from God, without him, Jesus couldn't exist and none of us. Finally the Holy Spirit is the spirit part, is like the special part of the body.For example, everyone of us, if someone attacks us directly to our souls {symbolic, not literaly} , we will going to be affected a lot. I guess that's how it works with God.

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#61 JudgementEden
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[QUOTE="JudgementEden"]Is that real? Does it say that God created Joel on the eighth day? How arrogant. Joel needs to get off his pedestal.

mindstorm

Yes, it is real. And yes, I do agree. He's not really my favorite pastor...

Thanks for the video link my friend :)
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#62 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"]Is that real? Does it say that God created Joel on the eighth day? How arrogant. Joel needs to get off his pedestal.

JudgementEden

Yes, it is real. And yes, I do agree. He's not really my favorite pastor...

Thanks for the video link my friend :)

Not a problem. Here is another video which confronts the mindset that Osteen preaches. I love this video. :)

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[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] He is most definitely the most right about this.

I don't think anyone can be the most definite right on this issue. It's all a matter of perspective and interpretation. Like all matters regarding religion, they are subject to huge amounts of debate. But more or less, yeah. Mindstorm and Gabu's answer was roughly hinting at the same thing.
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I believe the mod Gabu is right. He always posts some very insightful things on Christian topics. Very smart individual. He is most definitely the most right about this.JudgementEden
Gabu will tell you himself that he's not Christian. Just keep that in mind.

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#66 iowastate
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[QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well considering the topic...I don't think it was necessary to come in here and express anti Christian opinions. One can ignore a thread.LJS9502_basic
but a TC can not dictate who is allowed to comment in his threads. The only requirement is to try and stay on topic and be reasonably polite. I have yet to see a Religious or Political thread that managed to stay on topic, at least in the intended manner for very long.

You missed my point.

I did not miss your point i just did not accept it.

One can ignore a thread but if one is interested in making a comment one is not obligated to ignore the thread just because the TC wants to limit things to a small portion of the community.

Plus getting back to the original post by the TC - there never has been agreement by Christians as to who IS a knowledgeable Christian.

I would send him to an apologist at Catholic.com for a reliable biblical authority. The forums there are comprehensive and will answer any question you have

If you disagree with them you can post it there and argue with them.

I also realize that there are some who will not agree they are the best source - if there is a better one I would be glad to know about it.

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#67 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="iowastate"] but a TC can not dictate who is allowed to comment in his threads. The only requirement is to try and stay on topic and be reasonably polite. I have yet to see a Religious or Political thread that managed to stay on topic, at least in the intended manner for very long.

You missed my point.

I did not miss your point i just did not accept your point. One can ignore a thread but if one is interested in making a comment one is not obligated to ignore the thread just because the TC wants to limit things to a small portion of the community. that is the problem with religious threads, anyone can respond and on religious matters even within the same religion or denomination there are differences so .... there are very few things for which you will find an answer

But no one needs to enter a thread just to state they don't like a particular groups beliefs....do they? Seems more like an intent to annoy than contribute to the discussion.
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#68 iowastate
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we have to leave it up to the mods to judge who is contributing and in what manner.

All we can do is maintain politeness to everyone in the community, that is the Christian way after all.

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#69 LJS9502_basic
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we have to leave it up to the mods to judge who is contributing and in what manner.

All we can do is maintain politeness to everyone in the community, that is the Christian way after all.

iowastate
Still missing my point.
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[QUOTE="iowastate"]

we have to leave it up to the mods to judge who is contributing and in what manner.

All we can do is maintain politeness to everyone in the community, that is the Christian way after all.

LJS9502_basic
Still missing my point.

You can not be inclusive in a religious thread which I believe is what most of them try for. I admit that I don't seem to see any point to this, we seem to be wasting time.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="iowastate"]

we have to leave it up to the mods to judge who is contributing and in what manner.

All we can do is maintain politeness to everyone in the community, that is the Christian way after all.

iowastate
Still missing my point.

You can not be inclusive in a religious thread which I believe is what most of them try for. I admit that I don't seem to see any point to this, we seem to be wasting time.

This was not intended to be a debate about religion. The TC asked a specific question. There was no place for those comments.
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#72 iowastate
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[QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Still missing my point.LJS9502_basic
You can not be inclusive in a religious thread which I believe is what most of them try for. I admit that I don't seem to see any point to this, we seem to be wasting time.

This was not intended to be a debate about religion. The TC asked a specific question. There was no place for those comments.

when the topic asks for Knowledgeable Christians how can anything other than a religious debate be expected?

for one thing, in the first place the very concept of a Knowledgeable Christian is something that will never be agreed upon by the members of the various Christian denominations and sects.

Like I said originally i did understand your point but do not accept it because you can not limit who will comment in a thread.

Any Gamespot thread is open to any Gamespot member who feels they can contribute.

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#73 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="iowastate"] You can not be inclusive in a religious thread which I believe is what most of them try for. I admit that I don't seem to see any point to this, we seem to be wasting time.iowastate

This was not intended to be a debate about religion. The TC asked a specific question. There was no place for those comments.

when the topic asks for Knowledgeable Christians how can anything other than a religious debate be expected?

for one thing, in the first place the very concept of a Knowledgeable Christian is something that will never be agreed upon by the members of the various Christian denominations and sects.

Like I said originally i did understand your point but do not accept it because you can not limit who will comment in a thread.

Any Gamespot thread is open to any Gamespot member who feels they can contribute.

I'm not limiting who can post...I'm for limiting posts solely intended to annoy a specific group. There is no need for that when the thread is specific. As this was. It was not intended as a debate pro or con on any belief system. That would be like if you asked a question in regard to Iowa State and received a bunch of posts telling you negative opinions about the school while not addressing the topic at all. As I said...that is two different things and just because you don't like something.....does not mean any thread is okay to insert that.

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when the topic asks for Knowledgeable Christians how can anything other than a religious debate be expected?

for one thing, in the first place the very concept of a Knowledgeable Christian is something that will never be agreed upon by the members of the various Christian denominations and sects.

Like I said originally i did understand your point but do not accept it because you can not limit who will comment in a thread.

Any Gamespot thread is open to any Gamespot member who feels they can contribute.

iowastate

You do realize there are some things all Christians agree upon correct? :|

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Ok, first, what's the Holy Ghost?-eddy-
I think it's Santa.
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god is like a gangsta, see. you got god. who is like the head of the organization. he sits at the head of the table, makes all the decisions, etc. then you got jesus, who is his xo. second in command. then you have the holy ghost who is the enforcer of the group. god is a bad--- but he's not one to get his hands dirty. speak ill against him and he'll even forgive you if you're sincere.. because that just proves how powerful he really is. you're like a bug to him. he could erase you in an instant but can forgive you as well.. to him it's nothing. jesus is a really laid back dude. his role as an advisor to god has left him without a real purpose in the group and thus he just doesn't care. he spends most of his day playing mw2 to care much what people say about him. the holy ghost though is out there on the streets all day and night. he's the official face of the organization. to blaspheme him simply cannot be tolerated because any show of weakness will be taken advantage of. speak ill of the hg and you have to put in the ground..
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[QUOTE="iowastate"]

when the topic asks for Knowledgeable Christians how can anything other than a religious debate be expected?

for one thing, in the first place the very concept of a Knowledgeable Christian is something that will never be agreed upon by the members of the various Christian denominations and sects.

Like I said originally i did understand your point but do not accept it because you can not limit who will comment in a thread.

Any Gamespot thread is open to any Gamespot member who feels they can contribute.

mindstorm

You do realize there are some things all Christians agree upon correct? :|

Name one. the Holy Trinity is not even agreed upon by all Christians. NOR is the Immaculate Conception. that is why the concept of a Knowledgeable Christian is something that is also subjective. When Christians are able to agree with each other religious topics will become much easier.
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I bid you all a fond farewell as I am leaving for the Sierra Nevadas and a week of winter fun.

Yeah some of actually us to drive a couple of hours to reach the snow on purpose.

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[QUOTE="iowastate"]You do realize there are some things all Christians agree upon correct? :|

mindstorm

Name one. the Holy Trinity is not even agreed upon by all Christians. NOR is the Immaculate Conception. that is why the concept of a Knowledgeable Christian is something that is also subjective. When Christians are able to agree with each other religious topics will become much easier.

Then they are not Christians; at least, not an orthodox Christian (e.g. Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox).

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="iowastate"]You do realize there are some things all Christians agree upon correct? :|

mindstorm

Name one. the Holy Trinity is not even agreed upon by all Christians. NOR is the Immaculate Conception. that is why the concept of a Knowledgeable Christian is something that is also subjective. When Christians are able to agree with each other religious topics will become much easier.

Then they are not Christians; at least, not an orthodox Christian (e.g. Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox).

:| They believe in Christ, they study the bible they are Christian.. Just because they don't have the views or percepitions of larger sects does not make them some how different.. 1000 years ago Protestants were seen as heretics by the Catholic Church.. Your reasoning falls in this exact same mentality.

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Name one. the Holy Trinity is not even agreed upon by all Christians. NOR is the Immaculate Conception. that is why the concept of a Knowledgeable Christian is something that is also subjective. When Christians are able to agree with each other religious topics will become much easier.sSubZerOo

Then they are not Christians; at least, not an orthodox Christian (e.g. Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox).

:| They believe in Christ, they study the bible they are Christian.. Just because they don't have the views or percepitions of larger sects does not make them some how different.. 1000 years ago Protestants were seen as heretics by the Catholic Church.. Your reasoning falls in this exact same mentality.

You have to believe Jesus is God though.....
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From what I understand, the Holy Ghost works in people's hearts and calls upon them to believe. Hardening of said heart and refusal to believe is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Then they are not Christians; at least, not an orthodox Christian (e.g. Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox).

LJS9502_basic

:| They believe in Christ, they study the bible they are Christian.. Just because they don't have the views or percepitions of larger sects does not make them some how different.. 1000 years ago Protestants were seen as heretics by the Catholic Church.. Your reasoning falls in this exact same mentality.

You have to believe Jesus is God though.....

Christianity

The religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, sent by God. They believe that Jesus, by dying and rising from the dead, made up for the sin of Adam and thus redeemed the world, allowing all who believe in him to enter heaven. Christians rely on the Bible as the inspired word of God. (See alsogospel, Nativity, Resurrection, salvation, andSermon on the Mount.)

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| They believe in Christ, they study the bible they are Christian.. Just because they don't have the views or percepitions of larger sects does not make them some how different.. 1000 years ago Protestants were seen as heretics by the Catholic Church.. Your reasoning falls in this exact same mentality.

sSubZerOo

You have to believe Jesus is God though.....

Christianity

The religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, sent by God. They believe that Jesus, by dying and rising from the dead, made up for the sin of Adam and thus redeemed the world, allowing all who believe in him to enter heaven. Christians rely on the Bible as the inspired word of God.

Uh huh. You know in the NT he is called God right?

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You have to believe Jesus is God though.....LJS9502_basic

Christianity

The religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, sent by God. They believe that Jesus, by dying and rising from the dead, made up for the sin of Adam and thus redeemed the world, allowing all who believe in him to enter heaven. Christians rely on the Bible as the inspired word of God.

Uh huh. You know in the NT he is called God right?

Uhhh hate to break it to you but many Christians see Jesus as "the son of god".. And he is seen as the Messiah.. http://www.catholic.org/prayers/beliefs.php Infact I have seen no where to where people suggested that Jesus was god.. If he were then we would just call him God, not Jesus..

We learn to know, love, and serve God from Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who teaches us through the Catholic Church.

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#86 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I grew up catholic and never heard of this. I don't practice religion now, however, so if it's something relatively new, I dont know about it.

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#87 jim_shorts
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Uhhh hate to break it to you but many Christians see Jesus as "the son of god".. And he is seen as the Messiah.. http://www.catholic.org/prayers/beliefs.php Infact I have seen no where to where people suggested that Jesus was god.. If he were then we would just call him God, not Jesus..

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Jesus calls himself God more than once in the gospels. It's not ambiguous either.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Uhhh hate to break it to you but many Christians see Jesus as "the son of god".. And he is seen as the Messiah.. http://www.catholic.org/prayers/beliefs.php Infact I have seen no where to where people suggested that Jesus was god.. If he were then we would just call him God, not Jesus..

We learn to know, love, and serve God from Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who teaches us through the Catholic Church.

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Jesus calls himself God more than once in the gospels. It's not ambiguous either.

Manysects see him as divine, as the Messiah.. He is usually a seperate entity at least to my perceptions as the word of god.. To be perfectly honest its extremely ambigious and like I said can be seen both ways.. I don't see how you couldn't be CHrisitan if you believe in the divinity in Jesus and his teachings.. Afterall the bible is notorious for contridicting it self, in the end I fail to see the huge different in being Christian.. Both see him as divine, both accept him as their savior.. It seems like a pretty small difference in the grand scheme of things when discussing who is Christian and who is not..

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:| They believe in Christ, they study the bible they are Christian.. Just because they don't have the views or percepitions of larger sects does not make them some how different.. 1000 years ago Protestants were seen as heretics by the Catholic Church.. Your reasoning falls in this exact same mentality.

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And that means groups like Mormons and those who deny the virgin birth are not orthodox Christians how? :|

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]:| They believe in Christ, they study the bible they are Christian.. Just because they don't have the views or percepitions of larger sects does not make them some how different.. 1000 years ago Protestants were seen as heretics by the Catholic Church.. Your reasoning falls in this exact same mentality.

mindstorm

And that means groups like Mormons and those who deny the virgin birth are not orthodox Christians how? :|

.. What does this have anything to do with Orthodox and whats not though? Afterall the most important thing is accepting Jesus as your savior, that he did raise from the dead and its your path to salvation.... Even major Christian religions have some pretty sharp differences in things like salvation..

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

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Christianity

The religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, sent by God. They believe that Jesus, by dying and rising from the dead, made up for the sin of Adam and thus redeemed the world, allowing all who believe in him to enter heaven. Christians rely on the Bible as the inspired word of God.sSubZerOo

Uh huh. You know in the NT he is called God right?

Uhhh hate to break it to you but many Christians see Jesus as "the son of god".. And he is seen as the Messiah.. http://www.catholic.org/prayers/beliefs.php Infact I have seen no where to where people suggested that Jesus was god.. If he were then we would just call him God, not Jesus..

We learn to know, love, and serve God from Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who teaches us through the Catholic Church.

:lol: You know I'm Catholic right? Son of God is still God. Three persons in one.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Uh huh. You know in the NT he is called God right?

LJS9502_basic

Uhhh hate to break it to you but many Christians see Jesus as "the son of god".. And he is seen as the Messiah.. http://www.catholic.org/prayers/beliefs.php Infact I have seen no where to where people suggested that Jesus was god.. If he were then we would just call him God, not Jesus..

We learn to know, love, and serve God from Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who teaches us through the Catholic Church.

:lol: You know I'm Catholic right? Son of God is still God. Three persons in one.

:| Yes because justification by majority is a sound way to win debates, ifanything.. I am merely pointing out it really can be seen either way.. I fail to see how that some how makes you a less of a Christian.. Where basically the main factor is accept Jesus as the Missah in salavation to god, that Jesus rose from the grave.. And the teachings ofr Jesus for the most part (its highly intrepeted differently of course).. I am not quite sure why you guys think this is such a big deal when they are inherintly similar things when it comes to salvation and the belief.. Especially when it comes to the Bible which is loaded with contridictions... This is not argueing like the Islamic faith in merely suggesting he was a prophet with no divine abilities..

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Uhhh hate to break it to you but many Christians see Jesus as "the son of god".. And he is seen as the Messiah.. http://www.catholic.org/prayers/beliefs.php Infact I have seen no where to where people suggested that Jesus was god.. If he were then we would just call him God, not Jesus..

We learn to know, love, and serve God from Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who teaches us through the Catholic Church.

sSubZerOo

:lol: You know I'm Catholic right? Son of God is still God. Three persons in one.

:| Yes because justification by majority is a sound way to win debates, ifanything.. I am merely pointing out it really can be seen either way.. I fail to see how that some how makes you a less of a Christian.. Where basically the main factor is accept Jesus as the Missah in salavation to god, that Jesus rose from the grave.. And the teachings ofr Jesus for the most part (its highly intrepeted differently of course).. I am not quite sure why you guys think this is such a big deal when they are inherintly similar things when it comes to salvation and the belief.. Especially when it comes to the Bible which is loaded with contridictions...

Actually you pointed out a link that specified what one has to believe. Now just because your opinion is not the same as the link does not mean that wins debates either.;)

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]:lol: You know I'm Catholic right? Son of God is still God. Three persons in one.

LJS9502_basic

:| Yes because justification by majority is a sound way to win debates, ifanything.. I am merely pointing out it really can be seen either way.. I fail to see how that some how makes you a less of a Christian.. Where basically the main factor is accept Jesus as the Missah in salavation to god, that Jesus rose from the grave.. And the teachings ofr Jesus for the most part (its highly intrepeted differently of course).. I am not quite sure why you guys think this is such a big deal when they are inherintly similar things when it comes to salvation and the belief.. Especially when it comes to the Bible which is loaded with contridictions...

Actually you pointed out a link that specified what one has to believe. Now just because your opinion is not the same as the link does not mean that wins debates either.;)

I personally could care less who "wins".... I will admit I was wrong in that extreme, bu tI would aruge you were wrong in your extreme.. In the end I think its pretty pointless to argue whether Jesus was actually god, or if Jesus was the defacto son of god..Both were divine, both had the exact same teachings, both were the messiah, both rose from the dead.. Etc etc..

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| Yes because justification by majority is a sound way to win debates, ifanything.. I am merely pointing out it really can be seen either way.. I fail to see how that some how makes you a less of a Christian.. Where basically the main factor is accept Jesus as the Missah in salavation to god, that Jesus rose from the grave.. And the teachings ofr Jesus for the most part (its highly intrepeted differently of course).. I am not quite sure why you guys think this is such a big deal when they are inherintly similar things when it comes to salvation and the belief.. Especially when it comes to the Bible which is loaded with contridictions...

sSubZerOo

Actually you pointed out a link that specified what one has to believe. Now just because your opinion is not the same as the link does not mean that wins debates either.;)

I personally could care less who "wins".... I will admit I was wrong in that extreme, bu tI would aruge you were wrong in your extreme.. In the end I think its pretty pointless to argue whether Jesus was actually god, or if Jesus was the defacto son of god..Both were divine, both had the exact same teachings, both were the messiah, both rose from the dead.. Etc etc..

In the Christian religion there is ONLY one God. So claiming more than one is not a part of Christianity...while it may be what some believe that does mean they are following Christianity.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Actually you pointed out a link that specified what one has to believe. Now just because your opinion is not the same as the link does not mean that wins debates either.;)

LJS9502_basic

I personally could care less who "wins".... I will admit I was wrong in that extreme, bu tI would aruge you were wrong in your extreme.. In the end I think its pretty pointless to argue whether Jesus was actually god, or if Jesus was the defacto son of god..Both were divine, both had the exact same teachings, both were the messiah, both rose from the dead.. Etc etc..

In the Christian religion there is ONLY one God. So claiming more than one is not a part of Christianity...while it may be what some believe that does mean they are following Christianity.

.. Where did I say that Jesus was another god? I merely said he was divine, the only son of god.. Angels are seen as divine in their own respects.. And I am trying to tell you that your second opinion is highly arrogant.. The Bible like all religious texts are open to interpretation.. And you have yet to show how one person sees Jesus as the son of god, while the other sees him as god. Has anything to do with saving mankind in believing in him and his teachings, that he rose from the dead and what not.. This exact same logic was used in which the Catholic Church saw protestant's as heretics.. Sure their beliefs may be different in some regards, but that still doesn't disavow that Jesus is the messiah.. That he did raise from the dead.. Which are basicaly the core belief to what Christianity is all about..

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.. Where did I say that Jesus was another god? I merely said he was divine, the only son of god.. Angels are seen as divine in their own respects.. And I am trying to tell you that your second opinion is highly arrogant.. The Bible like all religious texts are open to interpretation.. And you have yet to show how one person sees Jesus as the son of god, while the other sees him as god. Has anything to do with saving mankind in believing in him and his teachings, that he rose from the dead and what not..

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That's not true. The Bible was never meant as interpretation. Unfortunately people don't understand the bible and put interpretation onit.

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.. Where did I say that Jesus was another god? I merely said he was divine, the only son of god.. Angels are seen as divine in their own respects.. And I am trying to tell you that your second opinion is highly arrogant.. The Bible like all religious texts are open to interpretation.. And you have yet to show how one person sees Jesus as the son of god, while the other sees him as god. Has anything to do with saving mankind in believing in him and his teachings, that he rose from the dead and what not..

LJS9502_basic

That's not true. The Bible was never meant as interpretation. Unfortunately people don't understand the bible and put interpretation onit.

:lol: Are you going to suggest that "your view" is some how the correct view?

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.. Where did I say that Jesus was another god? I merely said he was divine, the only son of god.. Angels are seen as divine in their own respects.. And I am trying to tell you that your second opinion is highly arrogant.. The Bible like all religious texts are open to interpretation.. And you have yet to show how one person sees Jesus as the son of god, while the other sees him as god. Has anything to do with saving mankind in believing in him and his teachings, that he rose from the dead and what not..

sSubZerOo

That's not true. The Bible was never meant as interpretation. Unfortunately people don't understand the bible and put interpretation onit.

:lol: Are you going to suggest that "your view" is some how the correct view?

I didn't create the view. I have studied theologists and biblical scholars.;)
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's not true. The Bible was never meant as interpretation. Unfortunately people don't understand the bible and put interpretation onit.

LJS9502_basic

:lol: Are you going to suggest that "your view" is some how the correct view?

I didn't create the view. I have studied theologists and biblical scholars.;)

.. How does that prove your views are correct? LJ for some one who constantly claims the whole thing about having the possibility and that you never can make ascertions of god can't be disporved through lack of evidence.. Your a bloody hypocrit in this regard... I see so you use scholars and facts when its convient to you, but if it isn't you go back to the lack of evidnece doesnt' disprove it.. This is even worse when it comes about things dealing with the metaphysical, something which most would consider anything possible.