Koran burning cancelled

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Eh good news.. It just bothers the hell out of me that they actually went out and said this would endanger soldiers lives.. We really can make this for excuse for absolutely ANY thing remotely critical of Islam or really anything with this excuse.. Not to mention being immensely hypocritical.Super_Toad_64

I understand and I fully agree.. But I think it outrageous to claim that this specific act is going to cost people their lives.. I mean looking pass the fact that this completely condones numerous policies in the Middle East to this day that pisses people off and undoubtably put our soldiers at risk and much more.. Furthermore whats to stop people from claiming that any form of satire against religions such as Islam will not cost human life.. Thats the only beef have.. I think its quite dumb imo, but the reaction to it by some of the people is just ridiculous..

What is an Ecumenical Council, a Group of Bishops. Furthermore, who, if not the Church or any of the Bishops is to decide what the Teachings are? :? A person of another religion?

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I could do some pretty terrible things in protest, doesn't make them right.hakanakumono

Everyone knows its a protest. It's also a disgusting thing to do.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] It states no such thing. CAn you point out where Exactly it says this? coolbeans90

The scriptural basis is from Matthew 16:19.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I just gave you a quote saying the bible was relatively unchanged dude. So that is relevant. Should I requote it.....or will you read it again?LJS9502_basic

Doesn't matter if it was massively changed or minutely changed. Editing is editing.

And the left out books ALONE constitutes editing.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"] Logic puzzles such as if'/then. If Jesus is God...then......worked. Have you taken a logic cIass?GreySeal9

Yes, I have.

The If/then does not automatically prove a point if your premises are weak or tenuous.

Both me and Ninja_Hippo think that your premises don't serve your ultimate point. And you seem to be unwilling or unable to explain why they do.

I didn't say you need to prove them absolutely "correct". I said that you need to prove that are not "tenuous", that they actually serve your conclusion.

Your premises to solid premises are like vapor is to brick.

You use that quote about "bound on heaven" and what not, yet you completely failed to explain how that quote serves your conclusion. What you did was the equivalent to writing a paper, quoting something and then not explaining how it serves your thesis.

I'm not going to get your point simply because it makes sense in your head. You need to flesh it out so that others can follow your thinking.

Also, like I said, by your own logic, the Pope can declare something totally ridiculous and contrary to scripture and it would stand.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

What is an Ecumenical Council, a Group of Bishops. Furthermore, who, if not the Church or any of the Bishops is to decide what the Teachings are? :? A person of another religion?

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Do i really need to quote the line where it says the year and which Pope first declared that the pope is infallible? I mean i must have done it four or five times already on just the last few pages. I ask you Snipes, if the Pope/Vatican/Church didn't decide that the Pope is infallible - who did? Because it sure as heck aint in the bible.Ninja-Hippo

The scriptural basis is from Matthew 16:19.

Many argue that in fact it does... at least with regards to church doctrine.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Hey guys, remember when this thread was about the Qu'ran burning event?

It seems like it was only 20 pages ago.

THE_DRUGGIE

But we don't need this turning into thread 943930448 on alleged conflicts in Christianity. D:

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Errr...Okay?Snipes_2

Everyone knows its a protest. It's also a disgusting thing to do.

Doesn't a sign on the lawn of his church say Islam is of the devil?

For a second I thought the title was Korean burning cancelled. I was like When was Korea being burned???? :shock:

T_REX305

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Um, the quote from the Bible website? The one that ends with this: "Again, the question, can we trust the Bible? Absolutely! God has preserved His Word despite the unintentional failings and intentional attacks of human beings. We can have utmost confidence that the Bible we have today is the same Bible that was originally written. The Bible is God's Word, and we can trust it." If that isn't an unbiased source of academia i don't know what is! :PGreySeal9

Doesn't matter if it was massively changed or minutely changed. Editing is editing.

And the left out books ALONE constitutes editing.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

The scriptural basis is from Matthew 16:19.

coolbeans90

Many argue that in fact it does... at least with regards to church doctrine.

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Eh good news.. It just bothers the hell out of me that they actually went out and said this would endanger soldiers lives.. We really can make this for excuse for absolutely ANY thing remotely critical of Islam or really anything with this excuse.. Not to mention being immensely hypocritical.sSubZerOo

I understand and I fully agree.. But I think it outrageous to claim that this specific act is going to cost people their lives.. I mean looking pass the fact that this completely condones numerous policies in the Middle East to this day that pisses people off and undoubtably put our soldiers at risk and much more.. Furthermore whats to stop people from claiming that any form of satire against religions such as Islam will not cost human life.. Thats the only beef have.. I think its quite dumb imo, but the reaction to it by some of the people is just ridiculous..

The answer to that is to stage your criticism in a more DEBATABLE way. The way this preist is going about it is akin to pokin a bear your bound to get a reaction thats not going to please you, complaining about said reaction is idiotic.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Which in no way whatsoever says the pope is infallible. We've already addressed this. Ninja-Hippo

Many argue that in fact it does... at least with regards to church doctrine.

According to your individual interpretation, sure.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Which in no way whatsoever says the pope is infallible. We've already addressed this. Ninja-Hippo

Many argue that in fact it does... at least with regards to church doctrine.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Which in no way whatsoever says the pope is infallible. We've already addressed this. Ninja-Hippo

Many argue that in fact it does... at least with regards to church doctrine.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More proof than you provided that it was massively changed. They do have the manuscripts available....LJS9502_basic

Doesn't matter if it was massively changed or minutely changed. Editing is editing.

And the left out books ALONE constitutes editing.

Uh no I disagree with that.. There were language problems between Britian and US during WW2 for crying out loud! IN which a term meant a completely different thing from what the others thought it was, and they both spoke the same language!.. Some languages have words that do not exist in other languages.. To claim that this is no big deal is a REAL stretch.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Many argue that in fact it does... at least with regards to church doctrine.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Yes, I have.

The If/then does not automatically prove a point if your premises are weak or tenuous.

Both me and Ninja_Hippo think that your premises don't serve your ultimate point. And you seem to be unwilling or unable to explain why they do.

LJS9502_basic

I didn't say you need to prove them absolutely "correct". I said that you need to prove that are not "tenuous", that they actually serve your conclusion.

Your premises to solid premises are like vapor is to brick.

You use that quote about "bound on heaven" and what not, yet you completely failed to explain how that quote serves your conclusion. What you did was the equivalent to writing a paper, quoting something and then not explaining how it serves your thesis.

I'm not going to get your point simply because it makes sense in your head. You need to flesh it out so that others can follow your thinking.

Also, like I said, by your own logic, the Pope can declare something totally ridiculous and contrary to scripture and it would stand.

Jesus Christ.

I realize that you only need to say if/when, but merely saying if/when does not mean that your logic washes. Weak and tenuous connections don't go away simply because you say if/when. You seem to be trying to shield your logical puzzle from criticism by giving if/when more importance than the actual premises themselves.

And the logic puzzle model does not automatically prove your point. Some points are so complex that they can only be adequately dealt with my fleshing out the premises in detail, something that you seem to be afraid of doing.

When did I say the point was about disproving religion? When did I ever try to disprove religion? Please answer me that. If you can't, then you are setting up one hell of a strawman.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Many argue that in fact it does... at least with regards to church doctrine.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"] Its not criticism rather its a hateful act that can and will acheive nothing other than conjuring up hate, But sure hes free to do so.

Super_Toad_64

I understand and I fully agree.. But I think it outrageous to claim that this specific act is going to cost people their lives.. I mean looking pass the fact that this completely condones numerous policies in the Middle East to this day that pisses people off and undoubtably put our soldiers at risk and much more.. Furthermore whats to stop people from claiming that any form of satire against religions such as Islam will not cost human life.. Thats the only beef have.. I think its quite dumb imo, but the reaction to it by some of the people is just ridiculous..

The answer to that is to stage your criticism in a more DEBATABLE way. The way this preist is going about it is akin to pokin a bear your bound to get a reaction thats not going to please you, complaining about said reaction is idiotic.

As it stands there are violent protests and reaction what not to some about satire of Islam to many.. So yet again, if this costs human lives, then I can easilly argue that any form of criticism or joke about Islam can have similar effects... Hence nothing should be said because people can't control themselves from doing this..

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Well they are bigots, let's be honest. You don't pin signs up showing muslims murdering christians if you're an open minded and reasonable person, do you? :PNinja-Hippo

That's good. He would have caused nothing but trouble.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Many argue that in fact it does... at least with regards to church doctrine.

coolbeans90

According to your individual interpretation, sure.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Doesn't matter if it was massively changed or minutely changed. Editing is editing.

And the left out books ALONE constitutes editing.

sSubZerOo

Uh no I disagree with that.. There were language problems between Britian and US during WW2 for crying out loud! IN which a term meant a completely different thing from what the others thought it was, and they both spoke the same language!.. Some languages have words that do not exist in other languages.. To claim that this is no big deal is a REAL stretch.

I haven't heard about this, do you have a link?

Snipes_2

Here you go.

These are the same people who protested a man running for Mayor because he's a homosexual, holding up signs saying 'NO HOMO There are the definition of bigoted.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] But it doesn't. :| You can INFER what you like, but as already discussed, the bible *nowhere* says that the Pope is infallible and that's a fact. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Many argue that in fact it does... at least with regards to church doctrine.

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No...all editing is not equal. Changing a word to a meaning that is better understood in today's world is not changing the meaning. Again...the manuscripts etc still exist. Had they been massively changed...it would be known. Slight alterations for clarity.....not a problem.LJS9502_basic

Uh no I disagree with that.. There were language problems between Britian and US during WW2 for crying out loud! IN which a term meant a completely different thing from what the others thought it was, and they both spoke the same language!.. Some languages have words that do not exist in other languages.. To claim that this is no big deal is a REAL stretch.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] But it doesn't. :| You can INFER what you like, but as already discussed, the bible *nowhere* says that the Pope is infallible and that's a fact. Ninja-Hippo

According to your individual interpretation, sure.

Saying even that much requires your own interpretation of what the words say.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More proof than you provided that it was massively changed. They do have the manuscripts available....LJS9502_basic

Doesn't matter if it was massively changed or minutely changed. Editing is editing.

And the left out books ALONE constitutes editing.

So what if the manuscripts still exists. They still been excluded from the whole which constitutes editing just like when authors exclude chapters from their novels.

I never all editing is equal. I'm just saying that editing does in fact exist even if it not massive, which is not true anyway as entire books were removed.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I haven't heard about this, do you have a link?

Ninja-Hippo

Here you go.

These are the same people who protested a man running for Mayor because he's a homosexual, holding up signs saying 'NO HOMO There are the definition of bigoted.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And you are inferring as well....checkmate.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And you are inferring as well....checkmate.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Thread 9502 about the event I believe.....it's kind of a boring subject by now.LJS9502_basic

But we don't need this turning into thread 943930448 on alleged conflicts in Christianity. D:

Indeed, fine sir. Such quarrels polluting our current events require observers of the highest conviction but, to those with the ability to adopt a relaxed perspective, the situations in which binding arguments are made can become supremely amusing.

*adjusts monocle*

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Uh no I disagree with that.. There were language problems between Britian and US during WW2 for crying out loud! IN which a term meant a completely different thing from what the others thought it was, and they both spoke the same language!.. Some languages have words that do not exist in other languages.. To claim that this is no big deal is a REAL stretch.

Teenaged

Oww I got the HTML error....watch for the numbers now. Thanks.:x

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I understand and I fully agree.. But I think it outrageous to claim that this specific act is going to cost people their lives.. I mean looking pass the fact that this completely condones numerous policies in the Middle East to this day that pisses people off and undoubtably put our soldiers at risk and much more.. Furthermore whats to stop people from claiming that any form of satire against religions such as Islam will not cost human life.. Thats the only beef have.. I think its quite dumb imo, but the reaction to it by some of the people is just ridiculous..

sSubZerOo

The answer to that is to stage your criticism in a more DEBATABLE way. The way this preist is going about it is akin to pokin a bear your bound to get a reaction thats not going to please you, complaining about said reaction is idiotic.

As it stands there are violent protests and reaction what not to some about satire of Islam to many.. So yet again, if this costs human lives, then I can easilly argue that any form of criticism or joke about Islam can have similar effects... Hence nothing should be said because people can't control themselves from doing this..

Im totally against the cost of human lives aswell, that should never be the cost.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] But it doesn't. :| You can INFER what you like, but as already discussed, the bible *nowhere* says that the Pope is infallible and that's a fact. Super_Toad_64

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

But we don't need this turning into thread 943930448 on alleged conflicts in Christianity. D:

THE_DRUGGIE

Indeed, fine sir. Such quarrels polluting our current events require observers of the highest conviction but, to those with the ability to adopt a relaxed perspective, the situations in which binding arguments are made can become supremely amusing.

*adjusts monocle*

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] *sigh* You know I did mention changing words for clarity. But that is not changing the actual meaning.LJS9502_basic

Oww I got the HTML error....watch for the numbers now. Thanks.:x

7557119a-b0b4-411f-8473-9ab0e1e5a8cc1.03.01

And what do you mean by "similar"?

And how does "similar"=no meaning lost?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Checkwhat now? What did i infer, friend?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I haven't heard about this, do you have a link?

LJS9502_basic

Here you go.

These are the same people who protested a man running for Mayor because he's a homosexual, holding up signs saying 'NO HOMO There are the definition of bigoted.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] *sigh* You know I did mention changing words for clarity. But that is not changing the actual meaning.LJS9502_basic