Leader of the year: Barack Obama

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[QUOTE="nchan"]Here's a question. Why do more minorities love Obama, but more white middle and upper middle class dislike him? As a minority, Obama is one of the greatest thing that ever happen to this country. Public health care is the next best thing. UnrighteousFury

How's he a minority if he's Half-White?

Technically, his being bi-racial makes him part of an even smaller minority.:P

That, and he looks black, which is really all that matters.

BUt still, you can't claim Racism because he's half white.

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You probably don't realize this but most upper white class people earned their upper class living. Yes, hard work can pay off. There's nothing wrong with having money and being prejudiced against people just cause they have money is no different then being prejudiced against people just cause they're black. Our society is so reverse-racist now it's disgusting.

chesterocks7

Exactly. Why do we need to be penalized because we work hard and earn our status?

Because those minorities need someone to hate.

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You probably don't realize this but most upper white class people earned their upper class living. Yes, hard work can pay off. There's nothing wrong with having money and being prejudiced against people just cause they have money is no different then being prejudiced against people just cause they're black. Our society is so reverse-racist now it's disgusting.

chesterocks7

Exactly. Why do we need to be penalized because we work hard and earn our status?

Because those minorities need someone to hate.

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Exactly. Why do we need to be penalized because we work hard and earn our status?

Ace_WondersX

Because those minorities need someone to hate.

Honestly? Yeah maybe not true in 100% of cases, but ask anyone middle to lower class what they think of white upper class americans and you'll probably get the same answer from 98% of them.

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How's he a minority if he's Half-White?

Snipes_2

Technically, his being bi-racial makes him part of an even smaller minority.:P

That, and he looks black, which is really all that matters.

BUt still, you can't claim Racism because he's half white.

You absolutely can. Even though he's half white, he's still way more ethnic than any president we've had thus far. I'm sure racists don't look at him and say, "Well, he's half white so I guess we can't hate him."

I certainly don't think that race is the main factor behind some people's intense dislike of him, though. Just saying that the whole "He's half white, so he's immune to racism" argument is ridiculous.

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Because those minorities need someone to hate.

chesterocks7

Honestly? Yeah maybe not true in 100% of cases, but ask anyone middle to lower class what they think of white upper class americans and you'll probably get the same answer from 98% of them.

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Technically, his being bi-racial makes him part of an even smaller minority.:P

That, and he looks black, which is really all that matters.

UnrighteousFury

BUt still, you can't claim Racism because he's half white.

You absolutely can. Even though he's half white, he's still way more ethnic than any president we've had thus far. I'm sure racists don't look at him and say, "Well, he's half white so I guess we can't hate him."

I certainly don't think that race is the main factor behind some people's intense dislike of him, though. Just saying that the whole "He's half white, so he's immune to racism" argument is ridiculous.

It's a Faulty argument though. You can't be white and Racist against Whites. IT doesn't make sense.

It's a Faulty argument though. You can't be white and Racist against Whites. IT doesn't make sense.

Snipes_2

You're right, but Obama isn't white.

Edit: Well, self-hating white racists could very well hate both halves of Obama.:P

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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Big generalizations...Ace_WondersX

Honestly? Yeah maybe not true in 100% of cases, but ask anyone middle to lower class what they think of white upper class americans and you'll probably get the same answer from 98% of them.

I'm not a statician but I'm pretty sure that saying the majority of the middle and lower class are white is not really true. Minorities are not so much minorities anymore.

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BUt still, you can't claim Racism because he's half white.

Snipes_2

You absolutely can. Even though he's half white, he's still way more ethnic than any president we've had thus far. I'm sure racists don't look at him and say, "Well, he's half white so I guess we can't hate him."

I certainly don't think that race is the main factor behind some people's intense dislike of him, though. Just saying that the whole "He's half white, so he's immune to racism" argument is ridiculous.

It's a Faulty argument though. You can't be white and Racist against Whites. IT doesn't make sense.

Unemployment Rate:

• white: 3.9%
• African American: 8.5%
• Hispanic or Latino ethnicity: 5.8%

Unemployed would count as "Lower Class" right?

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You absolutely can. Even though he's half white, he's still way more ethnic than any president we've had thus far. I'm sure racists don't look at him and say, "Well, he's half white so I guess we can't hate him."

I certainly don't think that race is the main factor behind some people's intense dislike of him, though. Just saying that the whole "He's half white, so he's immune to racism" argument is ridiculous.

Ace_WondersX

It's a Faulty argument though. You can't be white and Racist against Whites. IT doesn't make sense.

IF this is true, Black can also hate "Grey". OR is this not possible?

Seriously? Only Obama can keep winning awards for doing NOTHING. It's disgusting.

Pirate700

its cause hes black:|:?

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You absolutely can. Even though he's half white, he's still way more ethnic than any president we've had thus far. I'm sure racists don't look at him and say, "Well, he's half white so I guess we can't hate him."

I certainly don't think that race is the main factor behind some people's intense dislike of him, though. Just saying that the whole "He's half white, so he's immune to racism" argument is ridiculous.

Ace_WondersX

It's a Faulty argument though. You can't be white and Racist against Whites. IT doesn't make sense.

lol. Hey Ace, haven't we debated before? I feel like we did for some reason.

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It's a Faulty argument though. You can't be white and Racist against Whites. IT doesn't make sense.

UnrighteousFury

You're right, but Obama isn't white.

Edit: Well, self-hating white racists could very well hate both halves of Obama.:P

Not black either though.

"In a Post-ABC News poll last month, nearly nine in 10 whites said they would be comfortable with a black president."

Unemployment Rate:

• white: 3.9%
• African American: 8.5%
• Hispanic or Latino ethnicity: 5.8%

Unemployed would count as "Lower Class" right?

Snipes_2

Use could also use the welfare statistics which, whites lead in contrary to what the media tells you.

Link

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It's a Faulty argument though. You can't be white and Racist against Whites. IT doesn't make sense.

Snipes_2

You're right, but Obama isn't white.

Edit: Well, self-hating white racists could very well hate both halves of Obama.:P

Not black either though.

"In a Post-ABC News poll last month, nearly nine in 10 whites said they would be comfortable with a black president."

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It's a Faulty argument though. You can't be white and Racist against Whites. IT doesn't make sense.

Snipes_2

You're right, but Obama isn't white.

Edit: Well, self-hating white racists could very well hate both halves of Obama.:P

Not black either though.

"In a Post-ABC News poll last month, nearly nine in 10 whites said they would be comfortable with a black president."

Did you read the post where I said that I didn't think that people's dislike of Obama was motivated by race?

And again, his not actually being black is kind of unimportant in this discussion, because he looks black. It's not as if racists looked at his ancestry and genetic markers before decided whether or not they hated him. Racism and rationality don't really go hand in hand.

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Unemployment Rate:

• white: 3.9%
• African American: 8.5%
• Hispanic or Latino ethnicity: 5.8%

Unemployed would count as "Lower Class" right?

Ace_WondersX

Use could also use the welfare statistics which, whites lead in contrary to what the media tells you.

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I'll take statistics from the media (which is mostly liberal anyways) rather than myth-busting websites.

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Unemployment Rate:

• white: 3.9%
• African American: 8.5%
• Hispanic or Latino ethnicity: 5.8%

Unemployed would count as "Lower Class" right?

Ace_WondersX

Use could also use the welfare statistics which, whites lead in contrary to what the media tells you.

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Link

"The majority of the recipients are White (38 percent), followed by 37 percent African Americans, and 25 percent other minority groups (Latinos, Native Americans, and Asian Americans)"

1% isn't really that much higher. 37+25% = 62% Minority on Welfare. WHile 38% of White people are on welfare.

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Unemployment Rate:

• white: 3.9%
• African American: 8.5%
• Hispanic or Latino ethnicity: 5.8%

Unemployed would count as "Lower Class" right?

Snipes_2

Use could also use the welfare statistics which, whites lead in contrary to what the media tells you.

Link

Link

"The majority of the recipients are White (38 percent), followed by 37 percent African Americans, and 25 percent other minority groups (Latinos, Native Americans, and Asian Americans)"

1% isn't really that much higher. 37+25% = 62% Minority on Welfare. WHile 38% of White people are on welfare.

http://www.infoplease.com/finance/economy/people-poverty-characteristics.html

This should end this argument.

Blacks below poverty line in 2008 - 9,379 * 1000 = 9,379,000


Whites below the poverty line in 2008 - 26,990 * 1000 = 26,990,000

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Use could also use the welfare statistics which, whites lead in contrary to what the media tells you.

Link

Link

Ace_WondersX

"The majority of the recipients are White (38 percent), followed by 37 percent African Americans, and 25 percent other minority groups (Latinos, Native Americans, and Asian Americans)"

1% isn't really that much higher. 37+25% = 62% Minority on Welfare. WHile 38% of White people are on welfare.

http://www.infoplease.com/finance/economy/people-poverty-characteristics.html

This should end this argument.

Blacks below poverty line in 2008 - 9,379 * 1000 = 9,379,000


Whites below the poverty line in 2008 - 26,990 * 1000 = 26,990,000

Out of 221.3 Million White Americans only 26 are below Poverty Line. Out of 40.9 Million blacks almost a Quarter are below poverty line.

White people are at 11% while black people are at 24.7% according to your post.

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"The majority of the recipients are White (38 percent), followed by 37 percent African Americans, and 25 percent other minority groups (Latinos, Native Americans, and Asian Americans)"

1% isn't really that much higher. 37+25% = 62% Minority on Welfare. WHile 38% of White people are on welfare.

Snipes_2

http://www.infoplease.com/finance/economy/people-poverty-characteristics.html

This should end this argument.

Blacks below poverty line in 2008 - 9,379 * 1000 = 9,379,000


Whites below the poverty line in 2008 - 26,990 * 1000 = 26,990,000

Out of 221.3 Million White Americans only 26 are below Poverty Line. Out of 40.9 Million blacks almost a Quarter are below poverty line.

White people are at 11% while black people are at 24.7% according to your post.

Snipes_2

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http://www.infoplease.com/finance/economy/people-poverty-characteristics.html

This should end this argument.

Blacks below poverty line in 2008 - 9,379 * 1000 = 9,379,000


Whites below the poverty line in 2008 - 26,990 * 1000 = 26,990,000

Ace_WondersX

Out of 221.3 Million White Americans only 26 are below Poverty Line. Out of 40.9 Million blacks almost a Quarter are below poverty line.

Even if you fail to see a Higher percentage of Blacks are below the Poverty line, you still ignored the other post

Out of 221.3 Million White Americans only 26(000,000) are below Poverty Line. Out of 40.9 Million blacks almost a Quarter are below poverty line (9,300,000)

9,000,000 Blacks plus the 10,000,000 Hispanics, 1,500 Asians and 17,000,000 "Other". That all adds up to 36,001,500 compared to 26,000,000. There are 10,001,500 More Blacks, Hispanics, etc.. How are whites a Majority of the Lower tier?

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White people are at 11% while black people are at 24.7% according to your post.

Ace_WondersX

But you also fail to realize out of 40 Million, almost 10 million are below the line (40%). Whilst only 26 Million or 8.5% out of 221.3 Million whites are below the line.

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Out of 221.3 Million White Americans only 26 are below Poverty Line. Out of 40.9 Million blacks almost a Quarter are below poverty line.

Snipes_2

Even if you fail to see a Higher percentage of Blacks are below the Poverty line, you still ignored the other post

Out of 221.3 Million White Americans only 26(000,000) are below Poverty Line. Out of 40.9 Million blacks almost a Quarter are below poverty line (9,300,000)

9,000,000 Blacks plus the 10,000,000 Hispanics, 1,500 Asians and 17,000,000 "Other". That all adds up to 36,001,500 compared to 26,000,000. There are 10,001,500 More Blacks, Hispanics, etc.. How are whites a Majority of the Lower tier?

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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] LOL! I should known you would use the percentage argument. But in the end, I was right, whites make up the majority of the lower tier also.

Ace_WondersX

Even if you fail to see a Higher percentage of Blacks are below the Poverty line, you still ignored the other post

Out of 221.3 Million White Americans only 26(000,000) are below Poverty Line. Out of 40.9 Million blacks almost a Quarter are below poverty line (9,300,000)

9,000,000 Blacks plus the 10,000,000 Hispanics, 1,500 Asians and 17,000,000 "Other". That all adds up to 36,001,500 compared to 26,000,000. There are 10,001,500 More Blacks, Hispanics, etc.. How are whites a Majority of the Lower tier?

Wasn't me. But Minorities do make up a Larger percentage of the Lower Class.

And really you want to count the non-hispanic? The non-hispanic is only their because government forms have choices for black(non-hispanic) and white(non-hispanic) considering their are whites and blacks that classify themselves as Hispanic.

Heil Mein Fuhrer ('-')/ Praise Allah, death to the infidels!

I'm just kidding of course =P I just thought it was silly when my aunt (a christian republican) compared him with hitler and called him a terrorist >.>
In all honesty though, I love Obama, and I truely appreciate and respect the man because even if his mission is far from done, I really do believe that he is what this country needs.

Seriously? Only Obama can keep winning awards for doing NOTHING. It's disgusting.

Pirate700

he did win the nobel peace prize:P

i know he hasn't done anything:x

Apparently
Things are getting better

Things are getting better?

What promises has Obama Kept

I havent read all of it, so excuse me if there are any parts that repeat themselves in the first two, but anyways.

Apparently
Things are getting better

Things are getting better?

What promises has Obama Kept

I havent read all of it, so excuse me if there are any parts that repeat themselves in the first two, but anyways.

MuddVader

Throw this link in too

Every major economic factor except employment is improving, and employment is supposedly the last to improve.

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Apparently
Things are getting better

Things are getting better?

What promises has Obama Kept

I havent read all of it, so excuse me if there are any parts that repeat themselves in the first two, but anyways.

Ace_WondersX

Throw this link in too

Every major economic factor except employment is improving, and employment is supposedly the last to improve.

Somehow I would think employment to be a little more important than any of the other factors.

Leader of the year : With all due respect - Not.

Leader of the year : With all due respect - Not.

rjxtian

Don't worry, there's not much respect due.

I seems people just love hating Obama...I think he's doing a pretty good job considering what we're dealing with here.

EDIT: Kudos to President Obama for starting an annual Science Fair at the White House.

No way. Obama sucks. He's done nothing but push meaningless health care reform, delay on making any important decisions about the war, create useless stimulus packages that have not had any affect on our economy, steep us furthur in debt and served a whole bunch of special interest groups and corrupt politicians. And of course theresa fewmore things i could mention.

Obama does not deserve the title"Leader of the Year".

ff7cloudking

This.

"Yes, he's our leader of the year. Disagree? Here's why everyone from Nancy Pelosi to Lil Wayne thinks you're wrong"

Just kind of strange how they expect everyone to disagree so much they immediately address the reader disagreeing.

I have trouble crediting him leader of the year when he can't even make a decision on Afghanstan. Indecisiviness is a sign poor leadership alone

I seems people just love hating Obama...I think he's doing a pretty good job considering what we're dealing with here.

EDIT: Kudos to President Obama for starting an annual Science Fair at the White House.

Rikusaki

It's really not hatred against Obama, its just disagreement. Hatred is what Bush experienced and is still experiencing, and true hatred is all what you see against Sarah Palin. All the hatred is disgusting, but the hatred that Democrats have against Republicans and conservatives bring it to a whole new level. Democrats are quickly becoming the party of hate

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I seems people just love hating Obama...I think he's doing a pretty good job considering what we're dealing with here.

EDIT: Kudos to President Obama for starting an annual Science Fair at the White House.

flazzle

It's really not hatred against Obama, its just disagreement. Hatred is what Bush experienced and is still experiencing, and true hatred is all what you see against Sarah Palin. All the hatred is disgusting, but the hatred that Democrats have against Republicans and conservatives bring it to a whole new level. Democrats are quickly becoming the party of hate

I know I find it quite ironic when Democrats accuse Republicans of being the party that just "disagrees with what the other side is saying".

That Obamameter website was pretty interesting. He may be getting showered with awards, but people are just excited that we have a smart, young President. I think he's doing a fine job so far.Wet_Sand

Being smart and young do nothing to make you a more qualified or effective president.

[QUOTE="Wet_Sand"]That Obamameter website was pretty interesting. He may be getting showered with awards, but people are just excited that we have a smart, young President. I think he's doing a fine job so far.chesterocks7

Being smart and young do nothing to make you a more qualified or effective president.