Leader of the year: Barack Obama

I honestly can't think of a reason for him getting so much praise so early in his career, normally awards are given when people look back at what you do, not what the *think* you are going to do.

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[QUOTE="Wet_Sand"]That Obamameter website was pretty interesting. He may be getting showered with awards, but people are just excited that we have a smart, young President. I think he's doing a fine job so far.Wet_Sand

Being smart and young do nothing to make you a more qualified or effective president.

Having smarts means nothing if you don't have leadership qualities. And being young means you can't have a lot of experience behind you. I'd take an old unintelligent leader with experience over an intelligent young one with no experience any day of the week.

Having smarts means nothing if you don't have leadership qualities. And being young means you can't have a lot of experience behind you. I'd take an old unintelligent leader with experience over an intelligent young one with no experience any day of the week.

chesterocks7

Seriously?

Obama ****ing rules!

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Having smarts means nothing if you don't have leadership qualities. And being young means you can't have a lot of experience behind you. I'd take an old unintelligent leader with experience over an intelligent young one with no experience any day of the week.

Espada12

Seriously?

It's been said many times, the president doesn't have much power at all. Let alone the countless advisors he has who would make sure he doesn't do something stupid. But yes, when times like 9/11 happen, experience and being a good leader are far more important than smarts.

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Having smarts means nothing if you don't have leadership qualities. And being young means you can't have a lot of experience behind you. I'd take an old unintelligent leader with experience over an intelligent young one with no experience any day of the week.

chesterocks7

Seriously?

It's been said many times, the president doesn't have much power at all. Let alone the countless advisors he has who would make sure he doesn't do something stupid. But yes, when times like 9/11 happen, experience and being a good leader are far more important than smarts.

Maybe it's just me but I rather not have an idiot leading the most powerful military in the world. Experience is easier to gain than stupidity is to fix.

Right now he is better than our current Prime Minister (Kevin Rudd), but he doesn't hold a candle to John Howard (one of the best we've ever had)

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Seriously?

Espada12

It's been said many times, the president doesn't have much power at all. Let alone the countless advisors he has who would make sure he doesn't do something stupid. But yes, when times like 9/11 happen, experience and being a good leader are far more important than smarts.

Maybe it's just me but I rather not have an idiot leading the most powerful military in the world. Experience is easier to gain than stupidity is to fix.

By unintelligent I was referring to a leader without great book smarts. That's what Obama is praised for when referred to as a young smart politician. You don't have to have an extraordinary IQ to be a great leader.

I think Angela Merkel is the leader of the year. People thought she was toast, but she got a coalition together and whipped some socialist ass a few weeks back. fidosim

With boobs.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.e2bccc05aa54b3091c9b0ac0ab1e3b55.641&show_article=1

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Apparently
Things are getting better

Things are getting better?

What promises has Obama Kept

I havent read all of it, so excuse me if there are any parts that repeat themselves in the first two, but anyways.

Ace_WondersX

Throw this link in too

Every major economic factor except employment is improving, and employment is supposedly the last to improve.

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Apparently
Things are getting better

Things are getting better?

What promises has Obama Kept

I havent read all of it, so excuse me if there are any parts that repeat themselves in the first two, but anyways.

MuddVader

Throw this link in too

Every major economic factor except employment is improving, and employment is supposedly the last to improve.

When unemployment is the one thing that isn't top rate I would say the other things really aren't doing much for our country.

The Swedes can tell bull from blessed cow. Any Nobel Peace Prize winner is on the right track, and you don't need me to prove it.

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Throw this link in too

Every major economic factor except employment is improving, and employment is supposedly the last to improve.

chesterocks7

When unemployment is the one thing that isn't top rate I would say the other things really aren't doing much for our country.

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[QUOTE="MuddVader"]Nobody payed attention to us, besides the one guy who disregards all else because one thing wasnt top rate =P

MuddVader

When unemployment is the one thing that isn't top rate I would say the other things really aren't doing much for our country.

If the other statistics in on that page were improved enough unemployment would diminish. They would create jobs. That's not happening. Obama can cry change all he wants but actions speak louder than words and so far he's all words.

let's see...

failed to achieve anything on trip to asia. became an international laughing stock while doing so.

stalled on afghanistan. "They Died While He Couldn't Decide"

economy actually got worse on his watch.

no, he has not been the leader of the year.

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When unemployment is the one thing that isn't top rate I would say the other things really aren't doing much for our country.

chesterocks7

If the other statistics in on that page were improved enough unemployment would diminish. They would create jobs. That's not happening. Obama can cry change all he wants but actions speak louder than words and so far he's all words.

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[QUOTE="MuddVader"]But just because unemployment is still up it doesnt mean its alright to turn a blind eye to all and any other accomplishments.At this tie, if anyone can drag us out of the fire, its Obama, thats all there is to it in my opinion.MuddVader

If the other statistics in on that page were improved enough unemployment would diminish. They would create jobs. That's not happening. Obama can cry change all he wants but actions speak louder than words and so far he's all words.

Expecting a change in unemployment over the course of a year is anything but foolish. The Health Care Reform is one thing but unemployment does not take a lifetime to fix.

George Bush did a better job.

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If the other statistics in on that page were improved enough unemployment would diminish. They would create jobs. That's not happening. Obama can cry change all he wants but actions speak louder than words and so far he's all words.

chesterocks7

Expecting a change in unemployment over the course of a year is anything but foolish. The Health Care Reform is one thing but unemployment does not take a lifetime to fix.

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[QUOTE="MuddVader"]He still has 3 years to finish up =P. To expect immediate perfect results is a foolish thing.MuddVader

Expecting a change in unemployment over the course of a year is anything but foolish. The Health Care Reform is one thing but unemployment does not take a lifetime to fix.

Yeah that's all well and good but for families being put out on the streets, telling them it will be fixed in a couple years doesn't do much for them at all.

And if you read the report you just posted you'd realize that if the government did more to help households and businesses get financially stable and reduce debt, unemployment rates would not still be increasing.

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Expecting a change in unemployment over the course of a year is anything but foolish. The Health Care Reform is one thing but unemployment does not take a lifetime to fix.

chesterocks7

Yeah that's all well and good but for families being put out on the streets, telling them it will be fixed in a couple years doesn't do much for them at all.

And if you read the report you just posted you'd realize that if the government did more to help households and businesses get financially stable and reduce debt, unemployment rates would not still be increasing.

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[QUOTE="MuddVader"]Over a year isnt a lifetime, neither is 2-3 years either =P Its better we recover from this slowly than not at all is it not? regardless of how long it takes.

This.

MuddVader

Yeah that's all well and good but for families being put out on the streets, telling them it will be fixed in a couple years doesn't do much for them at all.

And if you read the report you just posted you'd realize that if the government did more to help households and businesses get financially stable and reduce debt, unemployment rates would not still be increasing.

I never said it's simple but no one ever said being president was simple either. That's great that your dad gets unemployment and you have relatives to live with. That's not the case for everyone. You probably don't realize this but unemployment is not always easy to collect. And it doesn't last forever. The choice we have is the person we vote into office. The current administration could have done a better job up to now at lowering unemployment but the fact of the matter is they haven't and people's lives everywhere are being ruined because of it.

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Yeah that's all well and good but for families being put out on the streets, telling them it will be fixed in a couple years doesn't do much for them at all.

And if you read the report you just posted you'd realize that if the government did more to help households and businesses get financially stable and reduce debt, unemployment rates would not still be increasing.

chesterocks7

I never said it's simple but no one ever said being president was simple either. That's great that your dad gets unemployment and you have relatives to live with. That's not the case for everyone. You probably don't realize this but unemployment is not always easy to collect. And it doesn't last forever. The choice we have is the person we vote into office. The current administration could have done a better job up to now at lowering unemployment but the fact of the matter is they haven't and people's lives everywhere are being ruined because of it.

i feel sorry for the people who really thought things were going to improve.

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[QUOTE="MuddVader"] I dont think they can just do it.. If it were that simple do you really think we would have these problems in the first place?

I'm fully aware of the financial struggles of some families. My family has always lived check by check even when this stuff wasnt going on, how do you think we get by now when with the economy the way it is my dad isnt even working anymore.

Its not like you cant still get unemployment. Atm, me, my father, my mother, my younger and older sister, my two nieces and my nephew all live off of my fathers unemployment while living in my grandmothers garage. If we can do it, other families can make some sacrifices and make it themselves as well till things get better and the providers of the family can get new jobs. Till then these people just need to be strong. Not so simple, and very difficult at times, but what other choice do we have right now?

MuddVader

I never said it's simple but no one ever said being president was simple either. That's great that your dad gets unemployment and you have relatives to live with. That's not the case for everyone. You probably don't realize this but unemployment is not always easy to collect. And it doesn't last forever. The choice we have is the person we vote into office. The current administration could have done a better job up to now at lowering unemployment but the fact of the matter is they haven't and people's lives everywhere are being ruined because of it.

Not sure where you get this blind faith in Obama from if your situation really is how you described it, cause he's not doing **** right now to help you out. And if you think there are always others that can help you out when times get rough then please stop trying to convince me you know what living the hard life means.

And I ask the same question, why haven't they done more? Because he definitely could have. You can always do more than nothing.

i feel sorry for the people who really thought things were going to improve.

litewo

I want that shirt.

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I never said it's simple but no one ever said being president was simple either. That's great that your dad gets unemployment and you have relatives to live with. That's not the case for everyone. You probably don't realize this but unemployment is not always easy to collect. And it doesn't last forever. The choice we have is the person we vote into office. The current administration could have done a better job up to now at lowering unemployment but the fact of the matter is they haven't and people's lives everywhere are being ruined because of it.

chesterocks7

Not sure where you get this blind faith in Obama from if your situation really is how you described it, cause he's not doing **** right now to help you out. And if you think there are always others that can help you out when times get rough then please stop trying to convince me you know what living the hard life means.

And I ask the same question, why haven't they done more? Because he definitely could have. You can always do more than nothing.

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i feel sorry for the people who really thought things were going to improve.

chesterocks7

I want that shirt.

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i feel sorry for the people who really thought things were going to improve.

MuddVader

I want that shirt.

And really you want to count the non-hispanic? The non-hispanic is only their because government forms have choices for black(non-hispanic) and white(non-hispanic) considering their are whites and blacks that classify themselves as Hispanic.

Ace_WondersX

So? There are still less Whites overall. And Considering they make up a large percentage of the United States, hardly any are under the Line (26 Million out of 221.3, that's 8.5%)

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And really you want to count the non-hispanic? The non-hispanic is only their because government forms have choices for black(non-hispanic) and white(non-hispanic) considering their are whites and blacks that classify themselves as Hispanic.

Snipes_2

So? There are still less Whites overall. And Considering they make up a large percentage of the United States, hardly any are under the Line (26 Million out of 221.3, that's 8.5%)

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And really you want to count the non-hispanic? The non-hispanic is only their because government forms have choices for black(non-hispanic) and white(non-hispanic) considering their are whites and blacks that classify themselves as Hispanic.

Ace_WondersX

So? There are still less Whites overall. And Considering they make up a large percentage of the United States, hardly any are under the Line (26 Million out of 221.3, that's 8.5%)

They're not considered white though. Otherwise they'd be labeled as such.

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So? There are still less Whites overall. And Considering they make up a large percentage of the United States, hardly any are under the Line (26 Million out of 221.3, that's 8.5%)

Snipes_2

They're not considered white though. Otherwise they'd be labeled as such.

They are considered white, that category is "I'm White/Black and I'm Not Hispanic" because there are people who care enough about verifying they aren't Hispanic to not pick "Black/African" and "White/Caucasian"

Example: George Bush is "white and not hispanic" but he can also check "white/caucasian"

Emma Watson is "white and not hispanic" but she can also check "white/caucasian"

Denzel Washington is "black and not hispanic" but he can also check "black/african"