Look what one of the greatest US Ally in the middle east wants

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So Weinberg's opinion should be shared by everyone? That seems rather bigoted.Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB) (lol)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

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If someone actually believed this crap, they'd have a 'justification' for any of these, and there are plenty more.

And wasn't some women put to death, via beheading, in Saudi Arabia for practicing 'sorcery' recently?

Heisenderp

Ok??? So now you're using quotes from ONE very SMALL religion completely out of context. And it also says thou shalt not kill. So according to your logic every person of this religion who DIDN'T kill someone only did so because their religion said so. So without this religion many more would've died. This possibly explains the genocides of 100 million+ people perpetuated by atheists.

So once again you did NOT show how religion IN GENERAL causes people to do bad things. And also it's shown religion in more cases than not STOPS people from doing bad things.

Here let me illustrate your cherry picking by using an extremely simple religion, Noahidism:

The are the ONLY laws of Noahidism:

1. Prohibition ofidolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
2. Prohibition ofmurder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
3. Prohibition oftheft: You shall not steal.
4. Prohibition ofsexual immorality: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which includeadultery, certain forms ofincest,homosexualbehaviour andbestiality.
5. Prohibition ofblasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
6. Dietary law:Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4, as interpreted in theTalmud(Sanhedrin59a))
7. Requirement to have justlaws: Set up a governing body of law (e.g. courts)

How does any of these encourage any bad behavour?

(note: Noahidism is the path non-Jews should take if they believe in Judaism)

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Since countries with lots of Christians isn't mutually exclusive with secular countries there is no way to respond to your comment.Heisenderp

No cause they're not thesame thing at all. USA is secular and has many christians. In any case I don't understand your point.

Hopefully he'll come here and do it too.

Ok??? So now you're using quotes from ONE very SMALL religion completely out of context. And it also says thou shalt not kill. So according to your logic every person of this religion who DIDN'T kill someone only did so because their religion said so. So without this religion many more would've died. This possibly explains the genocides of 100 million+ people perpetuated by atheists.

So once again you did NOT show how religion IN GENERAL causes people to do bad things. And also it's shown religion in more cases than not STOPS people from doing bad things.

Here let me illustrate your cherry picking by using an extremely simple religion, Noahidism:

The are the ONLY laws of Noahidism:

1. Prohibition of idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
2. Prohibition of murder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
3. Prohibition of theft: You shall not steal.
4. Prohibition of sexual immorality: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, certain forms of incest, homosexual behaviour and bestiality.
5. Prohibition of blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
6. Dietary law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4, as interpreted in the Talmud(Sanhedrin59a))
7. Requirement to have just laws: Set up a governing body of law (e.g. courts)

How does any of these encourage any bad behavour?

(note: Noahidism is the path non-Jews should take if they believe in Judaism)

themajormayor

Prove that religion has stopped anyone from doing evil... Why do some Catholic priests commit statutory rape of boys? It doesn't seem like religion is stopping evil from doing evil, and what of the Catholic church brushing those acts 'under the table'?

What's wrong with homosexuals? Seems like that bit may end up causing some harm to them. Why is God so jealous that his name cannot be taken in 'vain', or have any 'idols' before 'him', why would God be jealous, that's a petty mortal emotion? How do you have 'just laws' when there isn't allowed equality for homosexuals?

The world would be so much better without muslims

IPWNDU2

[QUOTE="IPWNDU2"]

The world would be so much better without muslims

H_M_1

:shock: we have muslims on OT...

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Ok??? So now you're using quotes from ONE very SMALL religion completely out of context. And it also says thou shalt not kill. So according to your logic every person of this religion who DIDN'T kill someone only did so because their religion said so. So without this religion many more would've died. This possibly explains the genocides of 100 million+ people perpetuated by atheists.

So once again you did NOT show how religion IN GENERAL causes people to do bad things. And also it's shown religion in more cases than not STOPS people from doing bad things.

Here let me illustrate your cherry picking by using an extremely simple religion, Noahidism:

The are the ONLY laws of Noahidism:

1. Prohibition of idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
2. Prohibition of murder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
3. Prohibition of theft: You shall not steal.
4. Prohibition of sexual immorality: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, certain forms of incest, homosexual behaviour and bestiality.
5. Prohibition of blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
6. Dietary law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4, as interpreted in the Talmud(Sanhedrin59a))
7. Requirement to have just laws: Set up a governing body of law (e.g. courts)

How does any of these encourage any bad behavour?

(note: Noahidism is the path non-Jews should take if they believe in Judaism)

Inconsistancy

Prove that religion has stopped anyone from doing evil... Why do some Catholic priests commit statutory rape of boys? It doesn't seem like religion is stopping evil from doing evil, and what of the Catholic church brushing those acts 'under the table'?

Prove that religion has ever caused someone doing evil. I was just using your logic. Literal interpretation of quote outside of its context as basis. And why do atheists rape? Seems like people will rape regardless. In no way does this rape has anything to do with religion.

What's wrong with homosexuals? Seems like that bit may end up causing some harm to them. Why is God so jealous that his name cannot be taken in 'vain', or have any 'idols' before 'him', why would God be jealous, that's a petty mortal emotion? How do you have 'just laws' when there isn't allowed equality for homosexuals?

In no way does this encourage anyone doing anything bad. Refraining from homosexuality is not neccesarily someting bad. I don't agree with it but it does not sew. And it's the same for the other example. It is in fact irrelevant in this case.
It doesn't not give equality for homosexuality as it clearly separates civil laws from religious laws.

[QUOTE="H_M_1"]

[QUOTE="IPWNDU2"]

The world would be so much better without muslims

sexyweapons

:shock: we have muslims on OT...

God damn, the Middle East is like a cancer. Everytime you think you quelled one thing, some other dumb sh*t starts up in another country we heven't even been to yet. Next thing you know, Yemen has access to black hole technology and they think it'll only destroy Americans, Christians, and Jews.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="H_M_1"] How about 'the world would be better without people like you'.

H_M_1

:shock: we have muslims on OT...

How about this compromise? Islam, not bad. The extremists over in the Middle East, bad.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="H_M_1"] How about 'the world would be better without people like you'.

H_M_1

:shock: we have muslims on OT...

And as of when did I say that was a bad thing,use your brains for gods sake:roll:

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Since countries with lots of Christians isn't mutually exclusive with secular countries there is no way to respond to your comment.themajormayor

No cause they're not thesame thing at all. USA is secular and has many christians. In any case I don't understand your point.

[QUOTE="H_M_1"][QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

:shock: we have muslims on OT...

sexyweapons

And as of when did I say that was a bad thing,use your brains for gods sake:roll:

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"] Arguing semantics ftw. You obviously knew that by "secular countries" I meant "countries with lots of atheists/agnostics" and wasn't referring to the type of government because that would make absolutely no sense in the context.Heisenderp

No cause they're not thesame thing at all. USA is secular and has many christians. In any case I don't understand your point.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="H_M_1"] And...is that a bad thing? How about I say that because of the English Defence League, I say that all 'White' people are thugs/racists etc, thankfully, I have a brain to think that the EDL only represent a small % of racist people, and not all 'white' people are racist, use your brains for god's sake, don't let the media brainwash you.H_M_1

And as of when did I say that was a bad thing,use your brains for gods sake:roll:

But,to be fair when have you EVER seen a terrorist who isn't a muslim?

We keep trying to democrotize the middle east. As far as I'm concerned we should carpet bomb the whole region. I'm sick of these backward ass religous nut jobs.

[QUOTE="H_M_1"][QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

And as of when did I say that was a bad thing,use your brains for gods sake:roll:

sexyweapons

But,to be fair when have you EVER seen a terrorist who isn't a muslim?

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="H_M_1"] Lol. I should've worded the sentence properly, you were sounding very hostile. Some people don't think properly and because of one 'bad apple' they think right every person I see is the same.jdc6305

But,to be fair when have you EVER seen a terrorist who isn't a muslim?

Yes but about about 99.9% our muslim

[QUOTE="jdc6305"]

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

But,to be fair when have you EVER seen a terrorist who isn't a muslim?

sexyweapons

Yes but about about 99.9% our muslim

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="jdc6305"]Yes Tim Mcveigh

jdc6305

Yes but about about 99.9% our muslim

Well,can you name anybody else?

majormayor... Didn't the various Churches execute heretics for over a millennia, scientists exiled for their beliefs or progress...

We keep trying to democrotize the middle east. As far as I'm concerned we should carpet bomb the whole region. I'm sick of these backward ass religous nut jobs.

jdc6305

Someone photoshopa picture of a dick on a mosque for me please. Then add one to the President of the U.S and every other Western leader in the world. It seems to get to people more don't you think.

Why use words when you can photoshop a dick... you people are slipping!

majormayor... Didn't the various Churches execute heretics for over a millennia, scientists exiled for their beliefs or progress...

[QUOTE="jdc6305"]

We keep trying to democrotize the middle east. As far as I'm concerned we should carpet bomb the whole region. I'm sick of these backward ass religous nut jobs.

Inconsistancy

Yes and this still doesn't change everything. Atheist also killed religious people. That's the thing it has little to do with belief but with extremism. Also just sayin in many cases religion has encouraged thinking and science:

"Science, and particularlygeometryandastronomy, was linked directly to the divine for most medieval scholars. If God created the universe after geometric and harmonic principles, then to seek these principles would be to seek and worship God."

This doesn't prove anything of course but I think it's interesting to note.

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] US Army Commanders do not declare war. :roll:

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="jdc6305"]

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

But,to be fair when have you EVER seen a terrorist who isn't a muslim?

sexyweapons

Yes but about about 99.9% our muslim

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="jdc6305"]Yes Tim Mcveigh

BossPerson

Yes but about about 99.9% our muslim

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

Yes but about about 99.9% our muslim

themajormayor

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Matthew-first"]

Oh, well... always some smartazz around. :roll:
Don't care who is who...
I have no interest in wars ^^

EmpCom

Your american society is turning the women into whores.......even tho he has 6 wives But seriously the middle east is no place for a christian

and neither is gamespot lol

[QUOTE="jdc6305"]Yes Tim Mcveigh

Yes but about about 99.9% our muslim

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

Yes but about about 99.9% our muslim

EmpCom

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]The Danish shooter from last summer.themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] And about 95% of all terrorists are not muslimEmpCom

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Ok that's just not true.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Ok that's just not true.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="jdc6305"]

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

But,to be fair when have you EVER seen a terrorist who isn't a muslim?

sexyweapons

Yes but about about 99.9% our muslim

https://www.europol.europa.eu/latest_publications/2

Received from theEU TERRORISM SITUATION AND TREND REPORT:

(Excerpt from website) "A whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups..."

(You can access the reports from2007,2008, and2009)

And:

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/09/10/316260/terrorism-expert-since-911-only-33-deaths-from-muslim-terrorism-vs-150000-deaths-from-murders/?mobile=nc

sounds gewd to me, just make sure he destroys all the mosques too.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="EmpCom"] http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/all-terrorists-are-muslimsexcept-the-94-that-arent/question-2287449/ BossPerson

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="EmpCom"] http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/all-terrorists-are-muslimsexcept-the-94-that-arent/question-2287449/ BossPerson

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] This is just in the USA. I'm talking world wide.Darkman2007

The grand mufti needs to read on own religion. Islam says new churches are not allowed to be newly built but churches that are already standing cannot be destroyed. The same goes for synagogues . Please people do not take this mufti in saudi as authority on Islam. Most Muslims wouldn't evn want to live there. The only reason why Muslims go there is because the kaba is there.helwa1988

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="EmpCom"] http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/all-terrorists-are-muslimsexcept-the-94-that-arent/question-2287449/ EmpCom

I am convinced that if there was no religion then there would be heaven on earth, so to speak.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]To be fair, most terrorist attacks in the middle east (where the majority of islamic terrorism occurs) is not religiously motivated, its more for political reasons.

Heisenderp

I would actually say the line between religion and politics in Europe is pretty clear, yes there are things like the Queen of Britain being the head of the English Church ,but thats mostly ceremonial, and even then , shes not a politician.

I can't think of much cases where religion and politics (or as a product of it, the state) actively mix and translate into policy.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well I think you know that in the MIddle East, the line between politics and religion can be blurry, even more so than in Europe or even the US.Darkman2007

I would actually say the line between religion and politics in Europe is pretty clear, yes there are things like the Queen of Britain being the head of the English Church ,but thats mostly ceremonial, and even then , shes not a politician.

I can't think of much cases where religion and politics (or as a product of it, the state) actively mix and translate into policy.