Luke was more powerful than Vader and even Mace Windu, because

Vader was the strongest. He had the most power, and with great power comes great responsibility. the_foreign_guy

In all technicality, Windu COULDN'T be defeated by Sidious or maybe even Anakin in a straight fight. If you know your stuff, you'll know what I mean.auron_16

[QUOTE="auron_16"]In all technicality, Windu COULDN'T be defeated by Sidious or maybe even Anakin in a straight fight. If you know your stuff, you'll know what I mean.Guppy507

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

Vader pre-mutilation>Mace Windu(although Windu was better with the lightsaber)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vader>Luke

Guppy507

We don't know that. He didn't fight Mace Windu. He cut off his hand by surprise. Mace Windu was supposed to be the 2nd most powerful Jedi.

True enough. More or less why it's only one ">", because it's real minimal difference. Windu was arguably the best lightsaber wielder at full power, at least in that era. Anakin didn't have as much of a control over the Force at the time, although his exposure to the dark side of the force surely beefed up his ability, even if it did blind his ability to reason.

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="auron_16"]In all technicality, Windu COULDN'T be defeated by Sidious or maybe even Anakin in a straight fight. If you know your stuff, you'll know what I mean.auron_16

I was not that impressed with Luke's jedi skills. -Sun_Tzu-

Yeah, Vader pretty much handed Luke's ass to him on a platter. The only reason Luke wasn't killed in the first five seconds of their fight was because Vader wanted his son to join him.

Dissing Darth Vader should be against the law.

Dissing Darth Vader should be against the law.

-Red-Cell-

Vader has no balls.

(well, technically it's true)

[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]Vader was the strongest. He had the most power, and with great power comes great responsibility. scorch-62

Those were probably Palpatine orders to lure Anakin to the dark side by making him vengeful and angry.dragon7x2k

That wouldn't make any sense, though. It had already been proven that Dooku was more powerful than Anakin and was more than capable of defending against Yoda.

Hokey religions are no match for a blaster.

Mace Windu was the only jedi second to Yoda. Vader nor Luke would stand a chance in a duel.

Palpatine is the best here, why? He over threw the Republic, wiped out the jedi, started a war that he was guranteed to win (when both sides are your lapdogs, you can't lose), and is all round pure awesome.

[QUOTE="dragon7x2k"]Those were probably Palpatine orders to lure Anakin to the dark side by making him vengeful and angry.scorch-62

That wouldn't make any sense, though. It had already been proven that Dooku was more powerful than Anakin and was more than capable of defending against Yoda.

Palpatine is the best here, why? He over threw the Republic, wiped out the jedi, started a war that he was guranteed to win (when both sides are your lapdogs, you can't lose), and is all round pure awesome.

lordreaven

BUT, considering that all palpatine did was plot and scheme (defeated by Windu, but VADER saved him), and vader was the one who did all the dirty work. I'd say

vader > palpatine

and he lost the war

So how strong is yoda?Bloodseeker23

Vader is more powerful than Luke any day of the week.

Luke > Vader. Here is why:

Luke = Mark Hamill = Corvette Summer.

Darth Vader = Sebastian Shaw + David Prowse + James Earl Jones.

It took three actors to equal Mark Hamill and he got to drive a groovy corvette and screw around with Annie Potts. I think we can do the math.

Count Dooku is easily the most inconsistent character in all of Star Wars. He totally whips Anakin's ASSscorch-62

Meh. A fat load of EU material has already very well established Luke as the crazy frak who was miles above Vader.

*awaits to be pointed to a silly miscomprehension of EU canon standing*

obi wan is the best because, he kept all his limbs. i dont know why he evaporated tho.hamhero

The Apprentice owns them all :)

If you're talking movie wise yes.

But as far as the Star Wars Extended Universe goes he is like God Incarnated

what i would really like to know is.... how the hell did this discussion get 5 pages? :shock:

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

I'm going to pretend that midihcloreans don't exist and that they were never part of the Star Wars universe or continuity.

dragon7x2k

I think you are missing the point of midihcloreans. They are to show the potential power of the Skywalker family, that's how Anakin, Luke could even become jedi. For example, if Obi Wan had started training at 9 years old, he would never have become a jedi, as he wouldn't be powerful enough to catch up

According to the EU, Luke is way more powerful by the time they reach the same relative age. Of course, the EU also states that Vader couldn't reach his full potential and become a true Sith Lord because he was no longer fully (or even mostly) organic.

vader isnt converted. vader is the apprentice and all apprentices eventually kill their masters to become the master of the sith themselves. thats is all vader was doing. hamhero

Vader > Luke because Vader actually fulfilled the prophecy like he was supposed to by beating The Emperor, who beat Mace Windu and Yoda (and would've beaten Luke).scorch-62

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Vader > Luke because Vader actually fulfilled the prophecy like he was supposed to by beating The Emperor, who beat Mace Windu and Yoda (and would've beaten Luke).Alter_Echo

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]Vader > Luke because Vader actually fulfilled the prophecy like he was supposed to by beating The Emperor, who beat Mace Windu and Yoda (and would've beaten Luke).scorch-62