M16 vs AK47, which do you think is better???

Having experienc e with both I think the AR-15/M-16 & Ak-47 are both good. The Ak-47 sport a more powerful .30 caaliber catridge while the the M-16 sports the lesser .22 caliber .223 cartridge. Both arehighly devistating due to the extreme velocity of both rounds but the Aks 7.62x39 is heavier.

My favorite automatic rifle is the M1A/M14. It's sports the .308 cartridge (7.62x51) which is much more powerful than the Ak's 7.62. The M1A is powerful, reliable and very accurate. Plus just like the Ak it was designed to operate in a dirty enviorment. The M-16 was designed to be rugged. It's a precision machine. So if it's not wellmaintained it will break down. The M-16 is fun gun, but it requires a lot frequent cleaning to keep it operating smoothly. Ak-47, SKS, and the M14 were designed to be abused and put into a dirty enviorment. They were designed to eject and feed casings and feed cartridges while in the worst possible condition. Resistance to jamming is the most important thing.

SKS & AK-47s are nice cause they're are so cheap, cause they were designed to made cheap. Who cares as long as works? The AR-15 never offered that. They are expensive, replacement parts are expensive and excessive cleaning is expensive.

The only difference between the AR-15s and older rifles is that the AR-15 has an automatic bolt catch, a magazine release button which makes reloaded faster. Other than that it's the same damn thing as any other automatic rifle made befiore it. I've handled so many AR-15 rifles & carbines that I am no hurry to use one again nor ever own another one.

The Battle Rifle. 4 headshot kill.PotatoSan

[QUOTE="PotatoSan"]The Battle Rifle. 4 headshot kill.AtomicBaconBits

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[QUOTE="marklarmer"]What about an M4? nice and lightweight, cheaper and still packs heat.:Pcpo335

M4's don't have the range of eithe ran M16 or a well-made AK. It overheats andd it is quite jam prone more than the M16 I believe. Also As most of you have ignored my posts.

IT DEPENDS ON WHERE the AK in question is made. I've seen a chick pull off a 400 meter shot and hit bullseye 5/5 times. She had had no prior experience with the weapon, why because it was well made it wasn't some cheap knockoff it was made by IZHMASH.

At that kind of range there no such thing as blin dluck its all you and the weapon. I'm assuming you've never fired a weapon before due to that statement.

Never ever held both in my hands but from watching enough films and shows on Nat Geo and the Discovery channel, the M16 comes out on top for me because it has less recoil, lighter weight, generally more accurate, more silent and customisable.solidte

M16's aren't much lighter than an ak it's about a pound difference I have held both.

Never ever held both in my hands but from watching enough films and shows on Nat Geo and the Discovery channel, the M16 comes out on top for me because it has less recoil, lighter weight, generally more accurate, more silent and customisable.solidte

Where do you think the history channel gets their info? From fanboys and vendors that want to promote the sale of it. It's easy to make something look good.

The Ak-47 has been in service since 1947. Many rifles around world have base their design on the Ak-47 design. Why? Because it's as good as it gets. You pull the trigger and it fires. And if it does failt to fire or jam it's easy to clear.

If you know anything about machineing you know that the more simplistic it is the better it will be. The complicated it is the more it break down and malfunction.

When you shoot a gun you don't shoot on full auto unless you are at close range or have it emplaced. Normally it's semi auto. Because the even an AR-15 has a kick. It's light kick but it stil kicks. The gun always climbs everytime you shoot. So recoil is irrelevant. The M-14 may punch more, but you can rely on one shot from that rifle at the least neutralizing the target if it does kill it.

Actually they weight about the same. The .223 ammunition is much lighter. But I rather have heavier ammunition that can I really on killing what hits. The M-16 is more accurate because it's rifle while the Ak-47 is a carbine. The AK-47 wasn't designed for long range. It was designed for close & short range just like the M-4. Both are effective at medium ranges but you're more likely to engage someone at 200meters or less. not 500-700meters or greater. And you have to be an exceptionshot to hit something at 400+ meters, because the target is so small at that distance. M-16 aint a good choice for long ranages either. The projectile is too light to rely on.

The real deal with the AR-15s is that the ammunition is light and (CHEAP $$).

The reason other countries are adopting .223 caliber rifles is because they are NATO forces. SO they will be using NATO ammunon. Which is 5.56mm NATO AKA .223 caliber& 9mm NATO AKA 9mm Luger. 9mm is cheaper & lighter than .45 Colt as well. Even the .45 Colt has much killing power than the 9mm NATO prefers 9mm, it's much cheaper.

This 6.8mm is interesting because it's roughly .280 caliber and the 270 & 280 winchester rounds are two powerful rifle cartridges. .270 & .280 have been proven to be reliable projectiles. But I bet the NATO won't go for it, because 5.56mm is cheaper than 6.8mm. Politicians don't care, because they don't have to do the job. They don't anything about guns nor care. Their only concern is that cheaper is better.

I'll trade comfort for killing power, stopping power and knock down power any day.

I'll have to go with the M16 simply because I'm American and the gun is American. I'm biased I know. Take pride in your stuff, dawgz;).

I bet all the Canadians voted AK47 because they don't like the fact that the other is American.

[IT DEPENDS ON WHERE the AK in question is made. I've seen a chick pull off a 400 meter shot and hit bullseye 5/5 times. She had had no prior experience with the weapon, why because it was well made it wasn't some cheap knockoff it was made by IZHMASH.

mealex

I don't believe that....with any weapon.

The M-16 AR-15 are nice rifles & carbines. I wouldn't say.. the AR-15 is bad. It's a actually a great long gun just not a perfect one. It has it's cons. Which is is it's complicated precisedesign. It has a forward assist because sometimes the bolt carrier gets wedged off the track or out of allignment so you have to smack that plunger to knock it back onto its track. It's no big deal, it's just (in my opinion) a design flaw. The design is too precise.

Thereis American made AK-47s.

They're all fine choices, but if you give me the choice between an AK-47 and and An AR-15 type I would choose the AK-47. I Would actually prefer the Springfield M1A/M-14 over both. Simply because the .308 (7.62x51)cartridge makes the russian 7.62 look like a spit ball. But if I need a full auto I would take the AK because the M-14 is near impossible to fire on full auto. The Russian 7.62x39 is much easier to fire on full auto because it uses aa lighter load cartridge. It's carbine so it was meant to be used as more of subgan than along rifle.

Guns wear out. Parts need to be replaced. Parts are expensive. If the government pays for it then whatever. But to personaly own one an AR-15 is expensive, like $1,000,Springs and other replacement parts are like $50-100 each.so is an M1A. The AK-47s can be bought for cheap. Like $200-$300. And once you shoot it to death all you do is strip the good parts from it, throw the rest away and buy a new one. Same goes for the SKS.

The M16 is superior. Only someone who has no skill with rifles would prefer the AK47. However, neither weapon would be among my top choices. The H&K416 is better.bt_the_great_78

Where have you been? Giving them hell at C&S?

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]The M16 is superior. Only someone who has no skill with rifles would prefer the AK47. However, neither weapon would be among my top choices. The H&K416 is better.LukeAF24

Where have you been? Giving them hell at C&S?

Congrats on completing OCS Braden.MoonSpoon

I completed Marine Corps Officer Candidate School on Aug 10, at Quantico, Virginia, and just returned home today after a short vacation out to California to visit relatives.bt_the_great_78

Awesome, congrats on that. One of my friends just graduated from there last week.

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]I completed Marine Corps Officer Candidate School on Aug 10, at Quantico, Virginia, and just returned home today after a short vacation out to California to visit relatives.LukeAF24

Awesome, congrats on that. One of my friends just graduated from there last week.

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[IT DEPENDS ON WHERE the AK in question is made. I've seen a chick pull off a 400 meter shot and hit bullseye 5/5 times. She had had no prior experience with the weapon, why because it was well made it wasn't some cheap knockoff it was made by IZHMASH.

LJS9502_basic

I don't believe that....with any weapon.

Shows how much you know about AK-47's. It is a mass produced weapon and is very often illegally clone dby people that don't know what they're doing. Russian and legallly made AK's are much more accurate than some piece of crap Iraqi ghetto ass handmade hunk of crap. You'be obviously never fired a weapon two weapons depending on how the made can fire completely diffferently if they were made in two separate places. Due to the quality of the machining parts etc.

So how about people that don't know what they're talking about shut the hell up I.E. you. If you don't know what you're talking about don't dispute the people that actually do.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mealex"]

[IT DEPENDS ON WHERE the AK in question is made. I've seen a chick pull off a 400 meter shot and hit bullseye 5/5 times. She had had no prior experience with the weapon, why because it was well made it wasn't some cheap knockoff it was made by IZHMASH.

mealex

I don't believe that....with any weapon.

Shows how much you know about AK-47's. It is a mass produced weapon and is very often illegally clone dby people that don't know what they're doing. Russian and legallly made AK's are much more accurate than some piece of crap Iraqi ghetto ass handmade hunk of crap. You'be obviously never fired a weapon two weapons depending on how the made can fire completely diffferently if they were made in two separate places. Due to the quality of the machining parts etc.

So how about people that don't know what they're talking about shut the hell up I.E. you. If you don't know what you're talking about don't dispute the people that actually do.

Yeah its the same with civilian guns. Civilian makers of the M16 all have varying levels of quality. For example Colt or Bushmaster might make the best civilian legal M16 also known as the AR-15 but another manufacturer might make a crappy one.

He/She must have been in the six week seniors. They were the class right behind us. I was in the 10 week PLC - Combined/OCC - 195 class. Next on the agenda is The Basic School, then hopefully IOC - Infantry Officer's Course.bt_the_great_78

Can't say I know what much of that means. I just heard through a friend that's currently in Afghan. What's your ultimate end result from all that?

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]He/She must have been in the six week seniors. They were the class right behind us. I was in the 10 week PLC - Combined/OCC - 195 class. Next on the agenda is The Basic School, then hopefully IOC - Infantry Officer's Course.LukeAF24

Can't say I know what much of that means. I just heard through a friend that's currently in Afghan. What's your ultimate end result from all that?

[QUOTE="mealex"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mealex"]

[IT DEPENDS ON WHERE the AK in question is made. I've seen a chick pull off a 400 meter shot and hit bullseye 5/5 times. She had had no prior experience with the weapon, why because it was well made it wasn't some cheap knockoff it was made by IZHMASH.

peppersfan2

I don't believe that....with any weapon.

Shows how much you know about AK-47's. It is a mass produced weapon and is very often illegally clone dby people that don't know what they're doing. Russian and legallly made AK's are much more accurate than some piece of crap Iraqi ghetto ass handmade hunk of crap. You'be obviously never fired a weapon two weapons depending on how the made can fire completely diffferently if they were made in two separate places. Due to the quality of the machining parts etc.

So how about people that don't know what they're talking about shut the hell up I.E. you. If you don't know what you're talking about don't dispute the people that actually do.

Yeah its the same with civilian guns. Civilian makers of the M16 all have varying levels of quality. For example Colt or Bushmaster might make the best civilian legal M16 also known as the AR-15 but another manufacturer might make a crappy one.

Yep. I think Robinson or Alexander Arms makes some good ones too.

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="mealex"]

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]What about an M4? nice and lightweight, cheaper and still packs heat.:Pmealex

M4's don't have the range of eithe ran M16 or a well-made AK. It overheats andd it is quite jam prone more than the M16 I believe. Also As most of you have ignored my posts.

IT DEPENDS ON WHERE the AK in question is made. I've seen a chick pull off a 400 meter shot and hit bullseye 5/5 times. She had had no prior experience with the weapon, why because it was well made it wasn't some cheap knockoff it was made by IZHMASH.

At that kind of range there no such thing as blin dluck its all you and the weapon. I'm assuming you've never fired a weapon before due to that statement.

And due to your statement, I assume you;ve never fired a weapon.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mealex"]

[IT DEPENDS ON WHERE the AK in question is made. I've seen a chick pull off a 400 meter shot and hit bullseye 5/5 times. She had had no prior experience with the weapon, why because it was well made it wasn't some cheap knockoff it was made by IZHMASH.

mealex

I don't believe that....with any weapon.

Shows how much you know about AK-47's. It is a mass produced weapon and is very often illegally clone dby people that don't know what they're doing. Russian and legallly made AK's are much more accurate than some piece of crap Iraqi ghetto ass handmade hunk of crap. You'be obviously never fired a weapon two weapons depending on how the made can fire completely diffferently if they were made in two separate places. Due to the quality of the machining parts etc.

So how about people that don't know what they're talking about shut the hell up I.E. you. If you don't know what you're talking about don't dispute the people that actually do.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you about a gun doesn't mean they have "never fired a weapon." That's the most ignorant statement I've heard today.

AK's are crap other than their reliability and brute force. If you want something that's going to hit hard and last long, pick the AK. If you want something that is accurate and will get the job done, pick the M16.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mealex"]

[IT DEPENDS ON WHERE the AK in question is made. I've seen a chick pull off a 400 meter shot and hit bullseye 5/5 times. She had had no prior experience with the weapon, why because it was well made it wasn't some cheap knockoff it was made by IZHMASH.

mealex

I don't believe that....with any weapon.

Shows how much you know about AK-47's. It is a mass produced weapon and is very often illegally clone dby people that don't know what they're doing. Russian and legallly made AK's are much more accurate than some piece of crap Iraqi ghetto ass handmade hunk of crap. You'be obviously never fired a weapon two weapons depending on how the made can fire completely diffferently if they were made in two separate places. Due to the quality of the machining parts etc.

So how about people that don't know what they're talking about shut the hell up I.E. you. If you don't know what you're talking about don't dispute the people that actually do.

LJS was in the US army...:lol: