Man fights to fly the confederate flag in his dorm.

Can someone explain why the Confederate flag is so controversial? From what I gather it's just the flag of the now defunct Southern States of America who tried to secede from the USA. The only argument I've heard is that the blacks were enslaved in the South therefore it is a symbol of racism which in my opinion is hypocritical since some Northern States had slavery not to mention that racism was rampant in the North as well as the South.

I find it absurd that he isnt allowed to hang it. That flag does not indicate the support of bigotry and racism. It supports the idea of states rights. Come down to south carolina and you will see how many confederate flags are on shirts, license plates, walls etc. It is not a big deal. TonyDanzaFan

[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]I find it absurd that he isnt allowed to hang it. That flag does not indicate the support of bigotry and racism. It supports the idea of states rights. Come down to south carolina and you will see how many confederate flags are on shirts, license plates, walls etc. It is not a big deal. CaveJohnson1

You do know Kentucky and Delaware also had slavery yet they were loyal to the Union? Slavery wasn't exclusive to the Southern States.

Can someone explain why the Confederate flag is so controversial? From what I gather it's just the flag of the now defunct Southern States of America who tried to secede from the USA. The only argument I've heard is that the blacks were enslaved in the South therefore it is a symbol of racism which in my opinion is hypocritical since some Northern States had slavery not to mention that racism was rampant in the North as well as the South.

Vesica_Prime

I would hang up a Union flag right next door for the lulz.MgamerBD

Honestly I don't get people's fascination with the Confederate flag. What's to be proud of about a group of states who wrote a check their asses couldn't cash?

[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]I find it absurd that he isnt allowed to hang it. That flag does not indicate the support of bigotry and racism. It supports the idea of states rights. Come down to south carolina and you will see how many confederate flags are on shirts, license plates, walls etc. It is not a big deal. CaveJohnson1

Honestly I don't get people's fascination with the Confederate flag. What's to be proud of about a group of states who wrote a check their asses couldn't cash?

worlock77

Honestly I don't get people's fascination with the Confederate flag. What's to be proud of about a group of states who wrote a check their asses couldn't cash?

worlock77

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]I find it absurd that he isnt allowed to hang it. That flag does not indicate the support of bigotry and racism. It supports the idea of states rights. Come down to south carolina and you will see how many confederate flags are on shirts, license plates, walls etc. It is not a big deal. Vesica_Prime

You do know Kentucky and Delaware also had slavery yet they were loyal to the Union? Slavery wasn't exclusive to the Southern States.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]I find it absurd that he isnt allowed to hang it. That flag does not indicate the support of bigotry and racism. It supports the idea of states rights. Come down to south carolina and you will see how many confederate flags are on shirts, license plates, walls etc. It is not a big deal. dkdk999

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]states rights to support slavery?

CaveJohnson1

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] "If I could end the war without freeing a single slave, I would" -abraham lincoln dkdk999

The context was that Lincoln, as President of the United States, considered his first and foremost duty to be the preservation of the Union (by whatever means necessary).

First Amendment protects his right to free speech. :?the_plan_man

The 1st Amendment prohits the government from restricting speech. People and organizations, however, can decide what speech is or is not acceptable on their property (hence, for example, the Terms of Use here on Gamespot).

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]I'm sure there was no context to that statement lol.

worlock77

The context was that Lincoln, as President of the United States, considered his first and foremost duty to be the preservation of the Union (by whatever means necessary).

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] I'm kind of baffled by what you think the context could have been that changed what he meant. Explain?

dkdk999

The context was that Lincoln, as President of the United States, considered his first and foremost duty to be the preservation of the Union (by whatever means necessary).

I dunno. The "state's rights" claim kinda rings hollow considering the south were the ones who actually fired the first shots. They wanted slavery, were paranoid about the possibility of slavery being abolished and instigated a war that led to their utter ruin.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

The context was that Lincoln, as President of the United States, considered his first and foremost duty to be the preservation of the Union (by whatever means necessary).

worlock77

I dunno. The "state's rights" claim kinda rings hollow considering the south were the ones who actually fired the first shots. They wanted slavery, were paranoid about the possibility of slavery being abolished and instigated a war that led to their utter ruin.

maybe the guy that fired the first shot just got scared and popped one off, causing a chain reaction of bullet firing. but i could be completely wrong. in fact, i probably am.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] yes. I'm just saying the south could have gone back to the union without getting rid of slavery, but they wanted states rights and so on. needled24-7

I dunno. The "state's rights" claim kinda rings hollow considering the south were the ones who actually fired the first shots. They wanted slavery, were paranoid about the possibility of slavery being abolished and instigated a war that led to their utter ruin.

maybe the guy that fired the first shot just got scared and popped one off, causing a chain reaction of bullet firing. but i could be completely wrong. in fact, i probably am.

Actually it was a beseigement and then bombardment of Ft. Sumter. That doesn't really sound accidental.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] I'm kind of baffled by what you think the context could have been that changed what he meant. Explain?

dkdk999

The context was that Lincoln, as President of the United States, considered his first and foremost duty to be the preservation of the Union (by whatever means necessary).

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]First Amendment protects his right to free speech. :?worlock77

The 1st Amendment prohits the government from restricting speech. People and organizations, however, can decide what speech is or is not acceptable on their property (hence, for example, the Terms of Use here on Gamespot).

Someone must have reported him.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]First Amendment protects his right to free speech. :?chessmaster1989

The 1st Amendment prohits the government from restricting speech. People and organizations, however, can decide what speech is or is not acceptable on their property (hence, for example, the Terms of Use here on Gamespot).

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

The 1st Amendment prohits the government from restricting speech. People and organizations, however, can decide what speech is or is not acceptable on their property (hence, for example, the Terms of Use here on Gamespot).

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Exactly. He agreed to the rules when he entered the dorm, hence he should abide by them.Frame_Dragger

college gets government subsidies, if they stop taking them, then you have a point. public funds should not be spent to suppress speech. surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] If a school takes public funds they have to abide by certain laws they would otherwise be free from, but they can still ban things in their housing. They probably couldn't ban him from wearing a t-shirt of the flag on campus, but they don't even have to offer housing. Like any rental or condo agreement you have to abide by the rules.

Frame_Dragger

his room he is paying for he should have free speech in that room. surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]his room he is paying for he should have free speech in that room. MissLibrarian

and now that i have your heart i can summon captain planet... removing all of my god like powers, but look there he is!surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]and now that i have your heart i can summon captain planet... removing all of my god like powers, but look there he is!MissLibrarian

they did not have captain planet in the UK? WTH kind of environmental brain washing do yall have then? without captain planet where does your nations hate for business people come from?surrealnumber5

That's idiotic. There's no reason why he shouldn't be allowe to have it in his room.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]they did not have captain planet in the UK? WTH kind of environmental brain washing do yall have then? without captain planet where does your nations hate for business people come from?MissLibrarian

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] do you have a citation for that? that people who live in government subsidized housing have no constitutional rights?surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

The 1st Amendment prohits the government from restricting speech. People and organizations, however, can decide what speech is or is not acceptable on their property (hence, for example, the Terms of Use here on Gamespot).

surrealnumber5

So then should public schools not be allowed to institute dress codes?

He should be allowed to have the flag.

while i am having trouble thinking why an african american would want to show off a confederate flag, and while i think flying the flag of a defeated former faction of the country is stupid, i think he should have the right to.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Exactly. He agreed to the rules when he entered the dorm, hence he should abide by them.worlock77

So then should public schools not be allowed to institute dress codes?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Section 8 housing and dorms on a campus are utterly different, with different laws applying naturally. A college has no burden to provide housing... it's just a sensible thing to do. On the other hand, the other is actually federal housing, period. Not clear where you see a connection at all really.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] college gets government subsidies, if they stop taking them, then you have a point. public funds should not be spent to suppress speech. surrealnumber5

So then should public schools not be allowed to institute dress codes?

Fair enough.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if the school takes money from the federal government it cannot enact policies against the constitution because if it does that mean the government is sponsoring unconstitutional actions. the government cant use a third party to sponsor unconstitutional acts, and that would be this, i dont see how you can miss the connection. in order to get federal funds you need to play by federal rules, that does not mean you can pick and choose where you want to apply them to best fit your whims.

surrealnumber5

Can someone explain why the Confederate flag is so controversial? From what I gather it's just the flag of the now defunct Southern States of America who tried to secede from the USA. The only argument I've heard is that the blacks were enslaved in the South therefore it is a symbol of racism which in my opinion is hypocritical since some Northern States had slavery not to mention that racism was rampant in the North as well as the South.

Vesica_Prime

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Can someone explain why the Confederate flag is so controversial? From what I gather it's just the flag of the now defunct Southern States of America who tried to secede from the USA. The only argument I've heard is that the blacks were enslaved in the South therefore it is a symbol of racism which in my opinion is hypocritical since some Northern States had slavery not to mention that racism was rampant in the North as well as the South.

-Sun_Tzu-

I remember reading there was only one factory in the whole of the Confederacy when they went to war or something mental like that (it was in Atlanta).

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Can someone explain why the Confederate flag is so controversial? From what I gather it's just the flag of the now defunct Southern States of America who tried to secede from the USA. The only argument I've heard is that the blacks were enslaved in the South therefore it is a symbol of racism which in my opinion is hypocritical since some Northern States had slavery not to mention that racism was rampant in the North as well as the South.

MissLibrarian

I remember reading there was only one factory in the whole of the Confederacy when they went to war or something mental like that (it was in Atlanta).

I don't see how a young American can have so much pride in the confederate flag. What is it about the confederate flag that represents you as a person? Why not the American flag? or your state flag? It seems like the people showing it are only interested in it's controversy.