Man fights to fly the confederate flag in his dorm.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Can someone explain why the Confederate flag is so controversial? From what I gather it's just the flag of the now defunct Southern States of America who tried to secede from the USA. The only argument I've heard is that the blacks were enslaved in the South therefore it is a symbol of racism which in my opinion is hypocritical since some Northern States had slavery not to mention that racism was rampant in the North as well as the South.

MissLibrarian

I remember reading there was only one factory in the whole of the Confederacy when they went to war or something mental like that (it was in Atlanta).

I don't see how a young American can have so much pride in the confederate flag. What is it about the confederate flag that represents you as a person? Why not the American flag? or your state flag? It seems like the people showing it are only interested in it's controversy.

Blue-Sky

I've found in my various travels in America's armpits (south), that in the absence of anything ot be proud of, a poor education, and fierce inbreeding, you findpeople taking pride in some very odd things. The confederate flag is nowhere near the top of that list; I just met someone from Kentucky who's proud of (no joke):

1.) Incest
2.) Moonshine
3.) 6 Pound Omlettes (and the ability to eat one in a sitting)
4.) Stupidity (not joking)

Maybe he just wants attention. However, it's his right. He can hang a baby seal skin if he wants. However, considering his probably going to get his a** kicked I think everything should work out ok.

Maybe he just wants attention. However, it's his right. He can hang a baby seal skin if he wants. However, considering his probably going to get his a** kicked I think everything should work out ok.

Morphic

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] It's because the southern states seceded in order to protect the institution of slavery. Slavery was the cornerstone of the Confederacy. wis3boi

I remember reading there was only one factory in the whole of the Confederacy when they went to war or something mental like that (it was in Atlanta).

Yup. The South had no industrial production. Litlle agriculture apart from cotton (and thus little food). Little railroad (and thus limited means of transporting equipment and large numbers of men), and no way of reparing the trains or railroads ether. The South simply did not have the means to sustain a protracted war effort like the North did.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]
And I guess in a strange way understandably so since their entire economy depended on it.

I remember reading there was only one factory in the whole of the Confederacy when they went to war or something mental like that (it was in Atlanta).

worlock77

Yup. The South had no industrial production. Litlle agriculture apart from cotton (and thus little food). Little railroad (and thus limited means of transporting equipment and large numbers of men), and no way of reparing the trains or railroads ether. The South simply did not have the means to sustain a protracted war effort like the North did.

That's idiotic. There's no reason why he shouldn't be allowe to have it in his room.

Pirate700

What's the big issue, it's just a flag. Let him do with it as he pleases. People get too pissy over the most trivial of issues in America.

What's the big issue, it's just a flag. Let him do with it as he pleases. People get too pissy over the most trivial of issues in America.

Shottayouth13-

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] It's because the southern states seceded in order to protect the institution of slavery. Slavery was the cornerstone of the Confederacy. Frame_Dragger

I remember reading there was only one factory in the whole of the Confederacy when they went to war or something mental like that (it was in Atlanta).

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]
And I guess in a strange way understandably so since their entire economy depended on it.

I remember reading there was only one factory in the whole of the Confederacy when they went to war or something mental like that (it was in Atlanta).

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Having just come from the south, I can say that it's safe to say no has accused the region of being overly bright. On the bright side, the south did get an object lesson in the concepts of enfillade, defillade, ambuscade, and decimation. :D

Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Having just come from the south, I can say that it's safe to say no has accused the region of being overly bright. On the bright side, the south did get an object lesson in the concepts of enfillade, defillade, ambuscade, and decimation. :D

Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Oh wow. Slamming an entire region of a country. Great job. Pst...intelligent and not so intelligent people exist the world over in every region.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] ....And yet the character of some regions is distinct compared to others. In this case, the character of south is defined in large part by poverty, racism, a focus on a lost war, an illusion of pride, and religion. It's not EVERYONE, but it dominates the region.

Frame_Dragger

Beyond that, the racism is still tangible, the religion fairly overwhelming, but yeah... very friendly. Mind you, an Afghan Hound is friendly, but it doesn't have much going on either.

@LJS: Big parts, defining the character of, etc etc. As for you living there, same here... still an armpit of the country.

@LJS: Big parts, defining the character of, etc etc. As for you living there, same here... still an armpit of the country.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="sonicare"] I lived in North Carolina for 4 years and never got that feeling. That may be your personal interpretation of the south, but I just didnt see that. I lived in Raleigh-Durham which was a big reserach area. Lots of young, optimistic, friendly people. The southeast is also one of the fastest growing areas of the country as well.

Beyond that, the racism is still tangible, the religion fairly overwhelming, but yeah... very friendly. Mind you, an Afghan Hound is friendly, but it doesn't have much going on either.

@LJS: Big parts, defining the character of, etc etc. As for you living there, same here... still an armpit of the country.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] @LJS: Big parts, defining the character of, etc etc. As for you living there, same here... still an armpit of the country.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] @LJS: Big parts, defining the character of, etc etc. As for you living there, same here... still an armpit of the country.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah clinging to generalizations and stereotypes. There are wealthy and impoverished areas throughout the country. There are intelligent and unintelligent individuals throughout the country. As within the world at large actually. I've lived in most every geographic region of the country.....and what you are saying is just a generalization. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] No kidding, but it's one I'm sticking with, and which I claim effectively defines the character of the region. Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I noticed you were sticking with it....and that says more about you than the region TBH.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] How ironic, I just returned from Durham a la Duke University two days ago. The entire "triangle research" concept pretty much amounts to Duke and environs, a few scattered and largely related companies, etc. Most of it is some really grim low income-high violence residential. In fact, during the time I was there, in a pretty small area 3 people were shot, including a cop. That aside, I've always been struck by how R-D is putatively a city, yet you could easily mistake it for a town with a couple of middling financial buildings and a bunch of office parks.

Beyond that, the racism is still tangible, the religion fairly overwhelming, but yeah... very friendly. Mind you, an Afghan Hound is friendly, but it doesn't have much going on either.

@LJS: Big parts, defining the character of, etc etc. As for you living there, same here... still an armpit of the country.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] It might, but it also may be that I'm correct, the region is a ****-heap, and the best you have to offer is that generalizing makes baby jesus cry. Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That same argument is used by racists, homophobes, sexists, etc. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Ahhh... fallacy by association, I like it! The same argument is used by statisticians, bakers, and candlestick makers. I'm none of those things though... *cry*Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]....And yet the character of some regions is distinct compared to others. In this case, the character of south is defined in large part by poverty, racism, a focus on a lost war, an illusion of pride, and religion. It's not EVERYONE, but it dominates the region.sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]....And yet the character of some regions is distinct compared to others. In this case, the character of south is defined in large part by poverty, racism, a focus on a lost war, an illusion of pride, and religion. It's not EVERYONE, but it dominates the region.scorch-62

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]An argument used to generalize a group/area/region etc has only one reason....putting little nursery rhymes in doesn't change the fact that you stereotype....as do the groups I mentioned above.;)LJS9502_basic

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Truly, it's a weak argument, inasumuch as it is one and not just the wafting of alcoholic fumes from a gaping mouth. :P

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Everybody stereotypes... to do anything less would be tedious, like your bit with associative fallacy and generalizations of lesser entertainment value than my own.

.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No fallacy. You did use the SAME argument. Which is what I said. As for everyone stereotyping....well I do find that is used as justification for those that do stereotype. Not everyone does. To say that would be an associative fallacy.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Sure it's a fallacy; you tried to use association with a small and ill-concieved group which is a subset of "everyone". It's logical to suppose that you did this in a poor attempt to associate the negative qualities of those groups with my own, despite a consicuous lack of homophobia and racism on my part. Truly, it's a weak argument, inasumuch as it is one and not just the wafting of alcoholic fumes from a gaping mouth. :PFrame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nope. I merely annotated the similarity toward other groups in regard to generalization and why it's used. I at no time accused you of being a member of said group. Perhaps you might not understand association fallacy? I did not say you were homophobic or racist. I said you use the same reasoning.....so you might want to cut the appeal to emotion fallacy.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="sonicare"] I lived in North Carolina for 4 years and never got that feeling. That may be your personal interpretation of the south, but I just didnt see that. I lived in Raleigh-Durham which was a big reserach area. Lots of young, optimistic, friendly people. The southeast is also one of the fastest growing areas of the country as well.sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] I lived in Tennessee for 18 and a half years and always got that feeling.scorch-62

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] If you DIDN'T mean that to be fallacious, it implies a degree of ineptitude from you that I would not have expected, and refuse to believe on the grounds that it would render any conversation wtih you a waste of time.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="sonicare"] Move to south Chicago. You'll get an ever big feeling. Or basically move to any major city long governed by democratic mayors.sonicare

I'm not saying the south is this wondrous land of intellectualism and economic bliss. I'm just saying that it is often criticized disproportionately or out of context of the national setting. Crime, poverty, racial strife is not limited too nor concentrated in one region of the country. Post civil-war the south was relatively poor because it lacked industry and had a large disenfranchised former slave population. However, over the years, industrial jobs have begun to migrate south and populations have dispersed throughout the country. Racism is not limited to anyone region. For example, for several years Pennsylvania had the highest enrollment in the KKK of any state. That's a blue state and its in the north. But the common held percpetion is that these problems exist only or disproportionately in the south. I just dont think the facts support that and I would like to challenge that assumption.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think the problem is you think you are always right and thus don't see how your arguments have been used by many a group bent on hate. Period.LJS9502_basic

That's idiotic. There's no reason why he shouldn't be allowe to have it in his room.

Pirate700

Well, the Confederate flag is treason if you think about it. It was a group of Seperatists wanting to break away from the union. Flying that flag is sticking a giant middle finger to the US of A, which is unpatriotic....right Pirate?lordreaven

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]....And yet the character of some regions is distinct compared to others. In this case, the character of south is defined in large part by poverty, racism, a focus on a lost war, an illusion of pride, and religion. It's not EVERYONE, but it dominates the region.scorch-62

I lived in northern Virgina for 21 years and never got that feeling, but I guess that's cheating.

Well, the Confederate flag is treason if you think about it. It was a group of Seperatists wanting to break away from the union. Flying that flag is sticking a giant middle finger to the US of A, which is unpatriotic....right Pirate?lordreaven

Should unpatriotism be banned?

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]Well, the Confederate flag is treason if you think about it. It was a group of Seperatists wanting to break away from the union. Flying that flag is sticking a giant middle finger to the US of A, which is unpatriotic....right Pirate?Palantas

Should unpatriotism be banned?

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="sonicare"] I lived in North Carolina for 4 years and never got that feeling. That may be your personal interpretation of the south, but I just didnt see that. I lived in Raleigh-Durham which was a big reserach area. Lots of young, optimistic, friendly people. The southeast is also one of the fastest growing areas of the country as well.sonicare

I lived in Kentucky for 25 years and have lived in the Chicago region for around 9. I would not move back to Kentucky if my life depended on it.

How stupid. He should be able to put whatever flag he wants in his dorm, even if a lot of people don't like it.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

That's idiotic. There's no reason why he shouldn't be allowe to have it in his room.

Palantas

Pretty much going to agree with Pirate on this one.

Wrong. Students must be prevented from expressing opinions that are wrong-think. This young man's corruptive influence should be removed from the student body. He should besent to a camp where he can be taught proper ideas that harmonious with those approved by the state.