Well maybe now, but pursuing degree after degree for 20-40 years (I'm assuming since the article doesn't go into detail) does seem pointless to me.Renegade_FuryHow is knowledge pointless?
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Well maybe now, but pursuing degree after degree for 20-40 years (I'm assuming since the article doesn't go into detail) does seem pointless to me.Renegade_FuryHow is knowledge pointless?
[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]I wonder what his student loan bill looks like. :PTheokhoth
You can defer student loans as long as you're still a student, so maybe that's why he's still in school. :o
Student till death.[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]If that's all you do, then yeah, I consider it a waste of time. You get a degree so you can work in that field or one similar. Accumulating stacks of them and never using them seems... well you know what I'm going to type. rawsavonhmmm...now I am curious as to why you consider some hobbies a waste if time and not others -if you considered them all to be, then I could at least understand your reasoning (though I may not agree) -but I fail to see the logic behind your way of thinking...enlighten please I take it from your sig and previous conversations that you watch football as a hobby...and I assume that you do not consider watching it a waste of time...if this provides him enjoyment, why is this hobby a waste...hmmm...perplexing, to say the least
Getting a degree a isn't just a hobby, and getting that many would govern your's and your family's life. I wrote "if that's all you do, then yeah I consider it a waste of time." How could that guy possibly have time to do anything, but study? Like I wrote earlier, you get a degree so you can work in that field; that's why they exist, and that's why normal people want one. Believing this is all in the same realm as sitting on your ass and watching TV or whatever is ludicrous. As for me, if all I did was just watch sports and never did anything else, hell even if I just watch one game, I consider it as a waste of time in the end.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]The human species doesn't need to be saved. not presently. But, just because things appear fine now, doesn't mean they are.Let me know when he saves the human species from self destruction.. then I'll actually think he did something worthwhile. Besides that.. good for him?
McJugga
hmmm...now I am curious as to why you consider some hobbies a waste if time and not others -if you considered them all to be, then I could at least understand your reasoning (though I may not agree) -but I fail to see the logic behind your way of thinking...enlighten please I take it from your sig and previous conversations that you watch football as a hobby...and I assume that you do not consider watching it a waste of time...if this provides him enjoyment, why is this hobby a waste...hmmm...perplexing, to say the least[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]If that's all you do, then yeah, I consider it a waste of time. You get a degree so you can work in that field or one similar. Accumulating stacks of them and never using them seems... well you know what I'm going to type. Renegade_Fury
Getting a degree a isn't just a hobby, and getting that many would govern your's and your family's life. I wrote "if that's all you do, then yeah I consider it a waste of time." How could that guy possibly have time to do anything, but study? Like I wrote earlier, you get a degree so you can work in that field, that's why they exist, and that's why normal people want one. Believing this is all in the same realm as sitting on your ass and watching TV or whatever is ludicrous. As for me, if all I did was just watch sports and never did anything else, hell even if I just watch one game, I consider it as a waste of time in the end.
Then I see your point, though I do not agree (depending the circumtances around him and his family...he is retired after all) Thank you[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]Well maybe now, but pursuing degree after degree for 20-40 years (I'm assuming since the article doesn't go into detail) does seem pointless to me.VandalvideoHow is knowledge pointless?
One can get a degree without knowing what the degree is. One can gain knowledge without getting a degree, and not waste time doing pointless essays, homework, ect. I would much prefer learning about the history of Egypt by going to Egypt and getting a first-hand look by visiting museums, talking to historians, debate, ect.
:Reads thru thread" :lol: The see him graduatin',they hatin...
Because internet ppls are the best contributors to the hooman species. :3
How is knowledge pointless?[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]Well maybe now, but pursuing degree after degree for 20-40 years (I'm assuming since the article doesn't go into detail) does seem pointless to me.TheAbbeFaria
One can get a degree without knowing what the degree is. One can gain knowledge without getting a degree, and not waste time doing pointless essays, homework, ect. I would much prefer learning about the history of Egypt by going to Egypt and getting a first-hand look by visiting museums, talking to historians, debate, ect.
Some people like class work :o[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] How is knowledge pointless?rawsavon
One can get a degree without knowing what the degree is. One can gain knowledge without getting a degree, and not waste time doing pointless essays, homework, ect. I would much prefer learning about the history of Egypt by going to Egypt and getting a first-hand look by visiting museums, talking to historians, debate, ect.
Some people like class work :oYeah, losers like class work.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
One can get a degree without knowing what the degree is. One can gain knowledge without getting a degree, and not waste time doing pointless essays, homework, ect. I would much prefer learning about the history of Egypt by going to Egypt and getting a first-hand look by visiting museums, talking to historians, debate, ect.
Some people like class work :oYeah, losers like class work.
I quite enjoy it...so think what you willSome people like class work :o[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
One can get a degree without knowing what the degree is. One can gain knowledge without getting a degree, and not waste time doing pointless essays, homework, ect. I would much prefer learning about the history of Egypt by going to Egypt and getting a first-hand look by visiting museums, talking to historians, debate, ect.
TheAbbeFaria
Yeah, losers like class work.
:lol:
You must have been the "too cool for school" guy.
Some people like class work :orawsavon
Yeah, losers like class work.
I quite enjoy it...so think what you willMe too. I wish I could go back to school.[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]I quite enjoy it...so think what you willMe too. I wish I could go back to school.Yeah, losers like class work.
Travo_basic
Apparently we are losers then...losers FTW
-I sure am glad that most girls like smart guys though :P
What a waste of a life, IT be best if he actually used the knowledge he has instead of gaining more. Knowledge is pointless if you don't use it. STAR_AdmiralDo you do things that you enjoy...even though you will never 'use' them -don't people play basketball even though they will never go pro
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Some people like class work :orawsavon
Yeah, losers like class work.
I quite enjoy it...so think what you willI really don't care to be honest.
he is wasting his time, and if he's retired, then he has precious little left.
most of these graduate programs are designed around doing actual work in the field. if he isn't going to do this, then a lot of what he is doing is pointless. most of the actual learning is done before the classes even start, through preperatory reading, which you don't need to be in school to do.
Me too. I wish I could go back to school.[QUOTE="Travo_basic"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I quite enjoy it...so think what you willrawsavon
Apparently we are losers then...losers FTW
-I sure am glad that most girls like smart guys though :P
Michael Faraday never went to school, nor did he ever do schoolwork. Hell, I learned Latin and Spanish on my own.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]
[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]Me too. I wish I could go back to school.TheAbbeFaria
Apparently we are losers then...losers FTW
-I sure am glad that most girls like smart guys though :P
Michael Faraday never went to school, nor did he ever do schoolwork. Hell, I learned Latin and Spanish on my own.
Cool story bro
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I quite enjoy it...so think what you willrawsavon
I really don't care to be honest.
Cared enough to post that it makes poeple losers :oSo what?
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
I really don't care to be honest.
Cared enough to post that it makes poeple losers :oSo what?
Why make a post calling people who go to school losers?[QUOTE="rawsavon"]
[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]Me too. I wish I could go back to school.TheAbbeFaria
Apparently we are losers then...losers FTW
-I sure am glad that most girls like smart guys though :P
Michael Faraday never went to school, nor did he ever do schoolwork.
Leonardo da Vinci went to school (or the fifteenth century equivalent) and did schoolwork. What's your point?
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]
Apparently we are losers then...losers FTW
-I sure am glad that most girls like smart guys though :PTheokhoth
Michael Faraday never went to school, nor did he ever do schoolwork.
Leonardo da Vinci went to school (or the fifteenth century equivalent) and did schoolwork. What's your point?
One doesn't need to go to school to become educated.
I envy the fellow much. I'm not too savvy with his lack of science degrees, after all, he could have thrown one or two in just for variety. That being said, to each his own.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
Michael Faraday never went to school, nor did he ever do schoolwork.
TheAbbeFaria
Leonardo da Vinci went to school (or the fifteenth century equivalent) and did schoolwork. What's your point?
One doesn't need to go to school to become educated.
The exception only proves the rule. Do you think anybody can be like Faraday?
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
Michael Faraday never went to school, nor did he ever do schoolwork.
Leonardo da Vinci went to school (or the fifteenth century equivalent) and did schoolwork. What's your point?
One doesn't need to go to school to become educated.
Neither Raw or Theo were arguing that.[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
Leonardo da Vinci went to school (or the fifteenth century equivalent) and did schoolwork. What's your point?
One doesn't need to go to school to become educated.
Neither Raw or Theo were arguing that. He backed himself into a ridiculous corner with his earlier statement...now he is struggling to rationalize and fight his way outI'm surprised they let him keep piling on the degrees. most phd programs have limited spaces available, so they try to find people who are going to use their degree to do something important in the field. if you're applying to a graduate program, try telling them in the application letter that you're only applying because you like to learn. See how far that gets you.
litewo
You could use it as advertising, like this genius studied at our school out of all the others, and I don't think these spaces count for people who decide to take the course from their homes?
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
Leonardo da Vinci went to school (or the fifteenth century equivalent) and did schoolwork. What's your point?
Theokhoth
One doesn't need to go to school to become educated.
The exception only proves the rule. Do you think anybody can be like Faraday?
Anyone with a desire to learn can be like Faraday, anyone who likes to read and learn about things. It's not as though autodidacts are rare because there are certainly quite a few of them. Many Renaissance men, including Leonardo daVinci himself were large self-learners. Leonardo da Vinci didn't even receive much formal learning in mathematics and geometry.
[QUOTE="Travo_basic"][QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]Neither Raw or Theo were arguing that. He backed himself into a ridiculous corner with his earlier statement...now he is struggling to rationalize and fight his way outOne doesn't need to go to school to become educated.
rawsavon
No, I'm not. I'm not even talking about what I said earlier. I'm talking about the sentiment, which goes back to my very post, that a degree doesn't necessarily equate to knowledge. One can still be knowledgeable without having a degree. I think you need to relax a bit, I was only kidding around before, or couldn't you tell that I wasn't being serious?
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Cared enough to post that it makes poeple losers :oTravo_basic
So what?
Why make a post calling people who go to school losers? where did he say that?He backed himself into a ridiculous corner with his earlier statement...now he is struggling to rationalize and fight his way out[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"]Neither Raw or Theo were arguing that.TheAbbeFaria
No, I'm not. I'm not even talking about what I said earlier. I'm talking about the sentiment, which goes back to my very post, that a degree doesn't necessarily equate to knowledge. One can still be knowledgeable without having a degree. I think you need to relax a bit, I was only kidding around before, or couldn't you tell that I wasn't being serious?
1. No one here said that knowledge has to come from a degree/college...you just took a counter argument to a point that no one made
-all here would agree that knowledge can be gleaned from a variety of sources
2. I don't think you were kidding...but that is neither here nor there...you need to make yourself more clear or say so when someone calls you out on it...not 10 posts later…unless you don't really care what other posters think…but then don't get upset when they make assumptions based on the limited information available
-you are a new poster here. how is anyone supposed to have any feel for you or how you post
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
One doesn't need to go to school to become educated.
TheAbbeFaria
The exception only proves the rule. Do you think anybody can be like Faraday?
Anyone with a desire to learn can be like Faraday, anyone who likes to read and learn about things. It's not as though autodidacts are rare because there are certainly quite a few of them. Many Renaissance men, including Leonardo daVinci himself were large self-learners. Leonardo da Vinci didn't even receive much formal learning in mathematics and geometry.
What separates autodidacts from people in general is not the desire to learn but the structured organization provided by a school. Some people can organize it well enough in their heads but they are not the norm.
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
[QUOTE="rawsavon"] He backed himself into a ridiculous corner with his earlier statement...now he is struggling to rationalize and fight his way outrawsavon
No, I'm not. I'm not even talking about what I said earlier. I'm talking about the sentiment, which goes back to my very post, that a degree doesn't necessarily equate to knowledge. One can still be knowledgeable without having a degree. I think you need to relax a bit, I was only kidding around before, or couldn't you tell that I wasn't being serious?
1. No one here said that knowledge has to come from a degree/college...you just took a counter argument to a point that no one made
-all here would agree that knowledge can be gleaned from a variety of sources
2. I don't think you were kidding...but that is neither here nor there...you need to make yourself more clear or say so when someone calls you out on it...not 10 posts later…unless you don't really care what other posters think…but then don't get upset when they make assumptions based on the limited information available
-you are a new poster here. how is anyone supposed to have any feel for you or how you post
Now you have a feel for how I post. Whining just gets on my nerves.
where did he say that?[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"] Why make a post calling people who go to school losers?Theokhoth
Page four. . .
theres nothing of his post on pg four :?One can get a degree without knowing what the degree is. One can gain knowledge without getting a degree, and not waste time doing pointless essays, homework, ect. I would much prefer learning about the history of Egypt by going to Egypt and getting a first-hand look by visiting museums, talking to historians, debate, ect.TheAbbeFariaProve to me essays and homework are pointless.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
No, I'm not. I'm not even talking about what I said earlier. I'm talking about the sentiment, which goes back to my very post, that a degree doesn't necessarily equate to knowledge. One can still be knowledgeable without having a degree. I think you need to relax a bit, I was only kidding around before, or couldn't you tell that I wasn't being serious?
TheAbbeFaria
1. No one here said that knowledge has to come from a degree/college...you just took a counter argument to a point that no one made
-all here would agree that knowledge can be gleaned from a variety of sources
2. I don't think you were kidding...but that is neither here nor there...you need to make yourself more clear or say so when someone calls you out on it...not 10 posts later…unless you don't really care what other posters think…but then don't get upset when they make assumptions based on the limited information available
-you are a new poster here. how is anyone supposed to have any feel for you or how you post
Now you have a feel for how I post. Whining just gets on my nerves.
No, I don't...takes a lot more than 1 thread
And no one was whining in this entire thread...on either side of the debate...don't know where you got that from
-unless you are just making the statement "i don't like whining"
-well "i don't like coffee"
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
The exception only proves the rule. Do you think anybody can be like Faraday?
Theokhoth
Anyone with a desire to learn can be like Faraday, anyone who likes to read and learn about things. It's not as though autodidacts are rare because there are certainly quite a few of them. Many Renaissance men, including Leonardo daVinci himself were large self-learners. Leonardo da Vinci didn't even receive much formal learning in mathematics and geometry.
What separates autodidacts from people in general is not the desire to learn but the structured organization provided by a school. Some people can organize it well enough in their heads but they are not the norm.
Autodidacts have existed since at least the day so antiquity, and the schools of antiquity are not as structured as they are now. In fact, the school started by Plato was nothing like the schools of today, unless you think talking and debate instead of classwork is what we have today. We don't.
I think everyone is capable to become a self-learning, and really who isn't when it boils down to it? Everyone has an interest, which they pursue even past the school environment. I see people who've not been in school for at least 10 years in libraries, bookstores, ect, picking out history books, physics books, and things of that nature. An autodidact is more of a person who doesn't treat any subject as a mere hobby though, or interest. He's really a student with enough discipline to sit down and study over a book for extended periods of time. Discipline can be nurtured, and anyone can do this.
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]One can get a degree without knowing what the degree is. One can gain knowledge without getting a degree, and not waste time doing pointless essays, homework, ect. I would much prefer learning about the history of Egypt by going to Egypt and getting a first-hand look by visiting museums, talking to historians, debate, ect.VandalvideoProve to me essays and homework are pointless.
It depends upon the person who is doing the essays and the homework doesn't it? Certainly a person can do these things without learning from them, thereby making them pointless. Should the person actually learn from doing the essays and the homework, then it ceases to be pointless. However, from a personal standpoint, I learn better when I'm interested in the subject, and nothing bores me more than doing essays and homework. I would sooner read a book, commit the pages to memory than to do worksheets on it. Essays are a bit iffy to me. I don't mind doing them when I feel the need to, however, I would rather recline on the grass on a nice morning with a book on the subject in my hands than sit in a dorm, writing the essay.
It depends upon the person who is doing the essays and the homework doesn't it? Certainly a person can do these things without learning from them, thereby making them pointless. Should the person actually learn from doing the essays and the homework, then it ceases to be pointless. However, from a personal standpoint, I learn better when I'm interested in the subject, and nothing bores me more than doing essays and homework. I would sooner read a book, commit the pages to memory than to do worksheets on it. Essays are a bit iffy to me. I don't mind doing them when I feel the need to, however, I would rather recline on the grass on a nice morning with a book on the subject in my hands than sit in a dorm, writing the essay.TheAbbeFariaMaybe they're merely doing it wrong. The mere fact that some people don't gain from essays does not prove that essays are pointless. And besides, whose to say that essays and homework can't be used as supplemental after you've done your regular learnings? Even autodidacts may benefit from essays given the time.
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