Marijuana is Safer Than Alcohol (POLL)

[QUOTE="C_BozkurT_C"]even Josh Howard admitted to smoking weed and he's still a great player.Deity_Slapper

Some of the greatest athletes off all time consume cannabis, and did so during their carrers. Many doctors, surgeons, lawyers, bankers and other successful professionals have used and still currently use cannabis as well. You'd be suprised at how many people actually use it, and the high level of success those individuals currently sit at.

The government lied to you. It will not kill your brain, nor make you lazy. Some people see that and then just expect it to happen. This is what we call placebo effect. If you expect it to make you lazy because you heard that it will, then it probably will make you lazy once you try it. If you leave your experience open to your own interperetation, you'll realize you don't feel lazy at all, and in fact, probably more creative and motivated to try new things (not new drugs).

Based on personal experience as well as reading articles online, I've come to the conclusion and agreement that marijuana is indeed safer than alcohol. It's true that smoking pot can cause some memory loss and other relatively small short-term problems, but they are nothing compared to the dangers of alcoholism. I'd like to hear from you guys and your views about this statement: Marijuana is safer than alcohol.

EDIT: Doing neither is safer, duh. But I'm not talking about that case right now.

ChowsSN

maybe so, but i can't smoke weed. i've done it before and used to like it, but after time it's gotten to the point where smoking weed has made me feel like i'm going insane. so really, i don't even care if it's "safer" than alcohol. at least when i drink alcohol, i don't end up curled up under a bush feeling like the entire world is out to get me

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[QUOTE="SuperDuper755"]Do you know how many people have used it and are NOT successful? I dont have any facts, but im guessing that the percentage of people who smoke pot are less successfull than the people who dont.LJS9502_basic

I don't have concrete numbers either, but I do know what I know, I know WHO I know, and I know myself. Everyone that I know who smokes herb, is NOT an idiot. Some people who smoke herb do it for the wrong reasons (they think it's a party favor) and those are people I avoid. They're the ones who make cannabis consumers look bad.

Almost all the successful people I know are current cannabis users. Yes, current. Almost all of them, maybe 90%.

Well...going by anecdotal evidence solely...I know the opposite to be true. Now what?

We all have different experiences I suppose. I can't speak for you. Maybe that's how you see it to begin with? Or maybe you see it clearly and there just happens to be a lot of idiots in your town? Could be a million reasons. I was speaking of my own experience there...

at least when i drink alcohol, i don't end up curled up under a bush feeling like the entire world is out to get meMrGeezer

:| That hasn't happened to me once in 14 years of herb smoking. I think you have some issues dude.

Pot should be legal because A) its just as dangerous if not less dangerous as Tobbacco and Alochol... Its a bit hypocritical, and drugs like alochol will never ever ever be banned.

B) A large amount of drug offenses are pot related.. Not to mention a huge amount of our prison population are on drug offenses.

C)The war on drugs has failed, regulation of the drug is far far more affective then trying to ban a drug.. History has shown us this...

In the end people who want pot, are going to be able to get it.. Its not that hard to get from what I have seen.... So the whole fact its being illegal has done nothing.. It is not chemically addictive like the prior mentioned drugs, to me as a non user of the drug I think it a complete waste of funds and man power busting people on this drug..

[Do you know how many people have used it and are NOT successful? I dont have any facts, but im guessing that the percentage of people who smoke pot are less successfull than the people who dont.SuperDuper755

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="SuperDuper755"]Do you know how many people have used it and are NOT successful? I dont have any facts, but im guessing that the percentage of people who smoke pot are less successfull than the people who dont.Deity_Slapper

I don't have concrete numbers either, but I do know what I know, I know WHO I know, and I know myself. Everyone that I know who smokes herb, is NOT an idiot. Some people who smoke herb do it for the wrong reasons (they think it's a party favor) and those are people I avoid. They're the ones who make cannabis consumers look bad.

Almost all the successful people I know are current cannabis users. Yes, current. Almost all of them, maybe 90%.

Well...going by anecdotal evidence solely...I know the opposite to be true. Now what?

We all have different experiences I suppose. I can't speak for you. Maybe that's how you see it to begin with? Or maybe you see it clearly and there just happens to be a lot of idiots in your town? Could be a million reasons. I was speaking of my own experience there...

my guess, the successful people don't make it obvious that they smoke pot. so he can't tell when he meets one.dooly420

My guess....you are incorrect.

[QUOTE="dooly420"] my guess, the successful people don't make it obvious that they smoke pot. so he can't tell when he meets one.LJS9502_basic

My guess....you are incorrect.

Smoking pot or not smoking pot is not a pre-requisite for being successful :|

[QUOTE="SuperDuper755"][Do you know how many people have used it and are NOT successful? I dont have any facts, but im guessing that the percentage of people who smoke pot are less successfull than the people who dont.dooly420

Thats because im not a credible expert. Its just one of those things im sure of. Pot isnt cheap. If people are "pot-heads," theyre gonna spend a lot of money. Moneyless people arent successful.

my guess, the successful people don't make it obvious that they smoke pot. so he can't tell when he meets one.dooly420

Good point. I never looked at it that way. You've taught me something today dooly.

Hey, by the way, do you have that book called "The Facts About Marijuana" or whatever it was called? Written by that one 60 year old female physician? Remember we talked about that about 3 years ago. I remember that book had some great points in it, but the website has since been taken down, and I can't find a copy anywhere.

[QUOTE="dooly420"] my guess, the successful people don't make it obvious that they smoke pot. so he can't tell when he meets one.LJS9502_basic

My guess....you are incorrect.

Thats because im not a credible expert. Its just one of those things im sure of. Pot isnt cheap. If people are "pot-heads," theyre gonna spend a lot of money. Moneyless people arent successful.

SuperDuper755

You're right, you're not a credible expert. Lots of "potheads" grow their own supply and end up spending way less per gram than a casual smoker would (after accounting for growing supplies, electricity, etc.)

I myself spend less than $100 a month on cannabis. I'm not a heavy smoker. I use small amounts every single day.

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[QUOTE="dooly420"] my guess, the successful people don't make it obvious that they smoke pot. so he can't tell when he meets one.sSubZerOo

My guess....you are incorrect.

Smoking pot or not smoking pot is not a pre-requisite for being successful :|

I recommend the entire conversation and not the ending.;)

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[QUOTE="dooly420"] my guess, the successful people don't make it obvious that they smoke pot. so he can't tell when he meets one.dooly420

My guess....you are incorrect.

Haven't yet met anyone where the subject HASN'T come up.:)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

My guess....you are incorrect.

dooly420

Well, he said it was a guess...most people make mistakes when they guess. :P

[QUOTE="dooly420"] my guess, the successful people don't make it obvious that they smoke pot. so he can't tell when he meets one.Deity_Slapper

Good point. I never looked at it that way. You've taught me something today dooly.

Hey, by the way, do you have that book called "The Facts About Marijuana" or whatever it was called? Written by that one 60 year old female physician? Remember we talked about that about 3 years ago. I remember that book had some great points in it, but the website has since been taken down, and I can't find a copy anywhere.

Problem with weed is unless you like 100% trust your dealer...You don't know exactly what your getting. Also weed affects differen't brains in differen't ways and who's to know how it will affect you. A few good friends of mine have had some pretty bad lasting affects from weed on them. Also someone could smoke one joint ONE joint and if it's laced or even if it's not with god knows what it could screw up your brain forever. One of my good friends friend had it happen to him. After that one joint something in his brain went wrong. With weed it's just far more unpredictable what exactly could happen to you than it is with alcohol... funkadelichika

Did you know for sure it was laced? Anytime someone has a bad trip, that's the first excuse they come up with. No dealer is going to lace weed with any other drug that he could have sold seperately for more money. And that's what dealing drugs is all about...making money.

That's also why if you study the plant yourself and know what to expect, no one can ever pull a fast one on you, not that it happens anyway.

Problem with weed is unless you like 100% trust your dealer...You don't know exactly what your getting. Also weed affects differen't brains in differen't ways and who's to know how it will affect you. A few good friends of mine have had some pretty bad lasting affects from weed on them. Also someone could smoke one joint ONE joint and if it's laced or even if it's not with god knows what it could screw up your brain forever. One of my good friends friend had it happen to him. After that one joint something in his brain went wrong. With weed it's just far more unpredictable what exactly could happen to you than it is with alcohol... funkadelichika

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="dooly420"] my guess, the successful people don't make it obvious that they smoke pot. so he can't tell when he meets one.dooly420

Good point. I never looked at it that way. You've taught me something today dooly.

Hey, by the way, do you have that book called "The Facts About Marijuana" or whatever it was called? Written by that one 60 year old female physician? Remember we talked about that about 3 years ago. I remember that book had some great points in it, but the website has since been taken down, and I can't find a copy anywhere.

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it had the word "truth" in there somewhere. Who wrote it? Was it an old lady?

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"]Problem with weed is unless you like 100% trust your dealer...You don't know exactly what your getting. Also weed affects differen't brains in differen't ways and who's to know how it will affect you. A few good friends of mine have had some pretty bad lasting affects from weed on them. Also someone could smoke one joint ONE joint and if it's laced or even if it's not with god knows what it could screw up your brain forever. One of my good friends friend had it happen to him. After that one joint something in his brain went wrong. With weed it's just far more unpredictable what exactly could happen to you than it is with alcohol... Deity_Slapper

Did you know for sure it was laced? Anytime someone has a bad trip, that's the first excuse they come up with. No dealer is going to lace weed with any other drug that he could have sold seperately for more money. And that's what dealing drugs is all about...making money.

That's also why if you study the plant yourself and know what to expect, no one can ever pull a fast one on you, not that it happens anyway.

Wouldn't it be better also if the government regulated it? That way there are standards made, and better yet.. They can tax it.

[QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="dooly420"] my guess, the successful people don't make it obvious that they smoke pot. so he can't tell when he meets one.Deity_Slapper

Good point. I never looked at it that way. You've taught me something today dooly.

Hey, by the way, do you have that book called "The Facts About Marijuana" or whatever it was called? Written by that one 60 year old female physician? Remember we talked about that about 3 years ago. I remember that book had some great points in it, but the website has since been taken down, and I can't find a copy anywhere.

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it had the word "truth" in there somewhere. Who wrote it? Was it an old lady?

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"]Problem with weed is unless you like 100% trust your dealer...You don't know exactly what your getting. Also weed affects differen't brains in differen't ways and who's to know how it will affect you. A few good friends of mine have had some pretty bad lasting affects from weed on them. Also someone could smoke one joint ONE joint and if it's laced or even if it's not with god knows what it could screw up your brain forever. One of my good friends friend had it happen to him. After that one joint something in his brain went wrong. With weed it's just far more unpredictable what exactly could happen to you than it is with alcohol... Deity_Slapper

Did you know for sure it was laced? Anytime someone has a bad trip, that's the first excuse they come up with. No dealer is going to lace weed with any other drug that he could have sold seperately for more money. And that's what dealing drugs is all about...making money.

That's also why if you study the plant yourself and know what to expect, no one can ever pull a fast one on you, not that it happens anyway.

Wouldn't it be better also if the government regulated it? That way there are standards made, and better yet.. They can tax it.sSubZerOo

No. Here's why. (From another thread I posted in)

It's true. If the governement legalized weed and tried to grow and package their own for sale, no one would buy it because no one is going to trust that the government won't put some unhealthy additives in it to **** you up.

Plus, it's so cheap and easy to grow, who wouldn't grow their own if it was legal? And if you don't have the time or space to grow, you'll find someone who does, and buy it from them. As of right now, the government is actually making all the money they could possibly want off of cannabis...by criminalizing it and laying down monetary penalties on those who get caught. If it's legal, all the cash flow would stop. They wouldn't make any more money off of tickets, and they damn sure wouldn't have anyone buying their crops when we could grow our own. Deity_Slapper

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"]Problem with weed is unless you like 100% trust your dealer...You don't know exactly what your getting. Also weed affects differen't brains in differen't ways and who's to know how it will affect you. A few good friends of mine have had some pretty bad lasting affects from weed on them. Also someone could smoke one joint ONE joint and if it's laced or even if it's not with god knows what it could screw up your brain forever. One of my good friends friend had it happen to him. After that one joint something in his brain went wrong. With weed it's just far more unpredictable what exactly could happen to you than it is with alcohol... funkadelichika

Did you know for sure it was laced? Anytime someone has a bad trip, that's the first excuse they come up with. No dealer is going to lace weed with any other drug that he could have sold seperately for more money. And that's what dealing drugs is all about...making money.

That's also why if you study the plant yourself and know what to expect, no one can ever pull a fast one on you, not that it happens anyway.

I didn't say that joint was laced...Sorry my words must have been a little messy.And it wasen't just a 'bad trip' This guy has serious brain issues and always will because of the joint. Yeah dealing drugs is about making money but come on you can't tell me that no weed is laced....I know it can be laced and it's laced in order to have people come back to that dealer to buy that specific pot because there is just something about it. They then can sell it for more and yeah... Besides this doesn't stop the part of my argument saying you really don't know what pot will do to your brain you just don't. And you really don't know what's in it... You didn't make it and it isen't regulated. Also do you honestly think people study pot to see what it is suppose to look like before they start smoking it? Yeah a little kid is gonna study a pot plant...And how does studying a plant let you know what a bag of weed is suppose to look like? :?funkadelichika

Oh my. :roll:

You know, I don't think I can help you. That's too much for me. Sorry.

You know so little about the subject that it's almost comical. But, whatever. Think what you want.

lynn zimmer and john p. morgan.dooly420

I don't think that's it, but is there a picture of her on the book? If she's like 60 with gray hair then it might be the one. :lol:

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"]Problem with weed is unless you like 100% trust your dealer...You don't know exactly what your getting. Also weed affects differen't brains in differen't ways and who's to know how it will affect you. A few good friends of mine have had some pretty bad lasting affects from weed on them. Also someone could smoke one joint ONE joint and if it's laced or even if it's not with god knows what it could screw up your brain forever. One of my good friends friend had it happen to him. After that one joint something in his brain went wrong. With weed it's just far more unpredictable what exactly could happen to you than it is with alcohol... dooly420

Did you know for sure it was laced? Anytime someone has a bad trip, that's the first excuse they come up with. No dealer is going to lace weed with any other drug that he could have sold seperately for more money. And that's what dealing drugs is all about...making money.

That's also why if you study the plant yourself and know what to expect, no one can ever pull a fast one on you, not that it happens anyway.

[QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="funkadelichika"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"]Problem with weed is unless you like 100% trust your dealer...You don't know exactly what your getting. Also weed affects differen't brains in differen't ways and who's to know how it will affect you. A few good friends of mine have had some pretty bad lasting affects from weed on them. Also someone could smoke one joint ONE joint and if it's laced or even if it's not with god knows what it could screw up your brain forever. One of my good friends friend had it happen to him. After that one joint something in his brain went wrong. With weed it's just far more unpredictable what exactly could happen to you than it is with alcohol... funkadelichika

Did you know for sure it was laced? Anytime someone has a bad trip, that's the first excuse they come up with. No dealer is going to lace weed with any other drug that he could have sold seperately for more money. And that's what dealing drugs is all about...making money.

That's also why if you study the plant yourself and know what to expect, no one can ever pull a fast one on you, not that it happens anyway.

why would a dealer lose money just so he can get a customer? it doesn't make sense. not to mention that you would be able to smell and taste it were it to be laced. and again, i have never bought nor heard about anyone buying a sack laced with anything. dooly420

Not only that, but the dealer wouldn't be getting a customer, he'd be losing one. As soon as a person would find out that they're being posioned with crap they don't want, they'd find a new dealer. It's kinda bad for business.

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"] I didn't say that joint was laced...Sorry my words must have been a little messy.And it wasen't just a 'bad trip' This guy has serious brain issues and always will because of the joint. Yeah dealing drugs is about making money but come on you can't tell me that no weed is laced....I know it can be laced and it's laced in order to have people come back to that dealer to buy that specific pot because there is just something about it. They then can sell it for more and yeah... Besides this doesn't stop the part of my argument saying you really don't know what pot will do to your brain you just don't. And you really don't know what's in it... You didn't make it and it isen't regulated. Also do you honestly think people study pot to see what it is suppose to look like before they start smoking it? Yeah a little kid is gonna study a pot plant...And how does studying a plant let you know what a bag of weed is suppose to look like? :?Deity_Slapper

Oh my. :roll:

You know, I don't think I can help you. That's too much for me. Sorry.

You know so little about the subject that it's almost comical. But, whatever. Think what you want.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Wouldn't it be better also if the government regulated it? That way there are standards made, and better yet.. They can tax it.Deity_Slapper

No. Here's why. (From another thread I posted in)

It's true. If the governement legalized weed and tried to grow and package their own for sale, no one would buy it because no one is going to trust that the government won't put some unhealthy additives in it to **** you up.

Plus, it's so cheap and easy to grow, who wouldn't grow their own if it was legal? And if you don't have the time or space to grow, you'll find someone who does, and buy it from them. As of right now, the government is actually making all the money they could possibly want off of cannabis...by criminalizing it and laying down monetary penalties on those who get caught. If it's legal, all the cash flow would stop. They wouldn't make any more money off of tickets, and they damn sure wouldn't have anyone buying their crops when we could grow our own. Deity_Slapper

I don't buy that. I mean, it's easy for me to make my own booze (as I understand, there are even restrictions on that), but that doesn't mean that it's legal for me to just sell it to people.

Also, why would the government be selling weed? The government doesn't sell tobacco or alcohol, it just lets private companies sell it and then taxes the **** out of them. So that sort of gets rid of the big government conspiracy to **** everyone up. The government ain't selling it, so what's the problem?

I think that between taxing the hell out of people who sell it legally, and fining the **** out of people who grow/sell it without the proper licenses, there'd still be a lot of money to be made.

[QUOTE="dooly420"]why would a dealer lose money just so he can get a customer? it doesn't make sense. not to mention that you would be able to smell and taste it were it to be laced. and again, i have never bought nor heard about anyone buying a sack laced with anything. Deity_Slapper

Not only that, but the dealer wouldn't be getting a customer, he'd be losing one. As soon as a person would find out that they're being posioned with crap they don't want, they'd find a new dealer. It's kinda bad for business.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="funkadelichika"] I didn't say that joint was laced...Sorry my words must have been a little messy.And it wasen't just a 'bad trip' This guy has serious brain issues and always will because of the joint. Yeah dealing drugs is about making money but come on you can't tell me that no weed is laced....I know it can be laced and it's laced in order to have people come back to that dealer to buy that specific pot because there is just something about it. They then can sell it for more and yeah... Besides this doesn't stop the part of my argument saying you really don't know what pot will do to your brain you just don't. And you really don't know what's in it... You didn't make it and it isen't regulated. Also do you honestly think people study pot to see what it is suppose to look like before they start smoking it? Yeah a little kid is gonna study a pot plant...And how does studying a plant let you know what a bag of weed is suppose to look like? :?funkadelichika

Oh my. :roll:

You know, I don't think I can help you. That's too much for me. Sorry.

You know so little about the subject that it's almost comical. But, whatever. Think what you want.

Their "brains screw up" because they had a physchological disorder to begin with.. Pot was just the catalyst for it.. Alochol can do the exact same thing. I suppose we should out law peanut butter sense it kills and messes up a select amount of people? Just like Pot, a select amount of people will have a huge reaction to it..

I am sorry I know nothing I must bow out of the conversation Yes I know so little I haven't seen anyone ever get screwed up over pot ruin there lives get hurt (physically emotionally mentally) I haven't seen it lead to harder drugs..

Irrelvent because this can happen with something as little as sleep aids over the counter.. They can become addictive.. Its even worse because you can OD on them, you can't on Pot.

.Oh it's so comical...HAHA... Roll your internet eyes at me all you want and how bought you go smoke a joint... Have fun.

At best a ad hominem attack trying to demean the person.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="dooly420"]why would a dealer lose money just so he can get a customer? it doesn't make sense. not to mention that you would be able to smell and taste it were it to be laced. and again, i have never bought nor heard about anyone buying a sack laced with anything. funkadelichika

Not only that, but the dealer wouldn't be getting a customer, he'd be losing one. As soon as a person would find out that they're being posioned with crap they don't want, they'd find a new dealer. It's kinda bad for business.

No, if I was to get laced weed and become addicted to something I never wanted, I'd be heading to the nearest detox facility, and never return to that dealer again. He just lost a customer. Good thing that doesn't happen though. Jeez.

EDIT: Not only would the dealer lose me as a customer, he would lose everyone that I know too, after word gets around that he laced my stash. NO dealer will do that. Stop making up crap.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

No. Here's why. (From another thread I posted in)

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

It's true. If the governement legalized weed and tried to grow and package their own for sale, no one would buy it because no one is going to trust that the government won't put some unhealthy additives in it to **** you up.

Plus, it's so cheap and easy to grow, who wouldn't grow their own if it was legal? And if you don't have the time or space to grow, you'll find someone who does, and buy it from them. As of right now, the government is actually making all the money they could possibly want off of cannabis...by criminalizing it and laying down monetary penalties on those who get caught. If it's legal, all the cash flow would stop. They wouldn't make any more money off of tickets, and they damn sure wouldn't have anyone buying their crops when we could grow our own. MrGeezer

I don't buy that. I mean, it's easy for me to make my own booze (as I understand, there are even restrictions on that), but that doesn't mean that it's legal for me to just sell it to people.

Also, why would the government be selling weed? The government doesn't sell tobacco or alcohol, it just lets private companies sell it and then taxes the **** out of them. So that sort of gets rid of the big government conspiracy to **** everyone up. The government ain't selling it, so what's the problem?

I think that between taxing the hell out of people who sell it legally, and fining the **** out of people who grow/sell it without the proper licenses, there'd still be a lot of money to be made.

Who said the government would sell it? I did. I pulled that quote from a thread where we were discussing such a situation. Plus, I still believe that any company that would mass produce cannabis would be supplying a dumbed down product. Home based growers take the time to really care for the plant, and produce some very high-quality, potent product.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

No. Here's why. (From another thread I posted in)

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

It's true. If the governement legalized weed and tried to grow and package their own for sale, no one would buy it because no one is going to trust that the government won't put some unhealthy additives in it to **** you up.

Plus, it's so cheap and easy to grow, who wouldn't grow their own if it was legal? And if you don't have the time or space to grow, you'll find someone who does, and buy it from them. As of right now, the government is actually making all the money they could possibly want off of cannabis...by criminalizing it and laying down monetary penalties on those who get caught. If it's legal, all the cash flow would stop. They wouldn't make any more money off of tickets, and they damn sure wouldn't have anyone buying their crops when we could grow our own. Deity_Slapper

I don't buy that. I mean, it's easy for me to make my own booze (as I understand, there are even restrictions on that), but that doesn't mean that it's legal for me to just sell it to people.

Also, why would the government be selling weed? The government doesn't sell tobacco or alcohol, it just lets private companies sell it and then taxes the **** out of them. So that sort of gets rid of the big government conspiracy to **** everyone up. The government ain't selling it, so what's the problem?

I think that between taxing the hell out of people who sell it legally, and fining the **** out of people who grow/sell it without the proper licenses, there'd still be a lot of money to be made.

Who said the government would sell it? I did. I pulled that quote from a thread where we were discussing such a situation. Plus, I still believe that any company that would mass produce cannabis would be supplying a dumbed down product. Home based growers take the time to really care for the plant, and produce some very high-quality, potent product.

The same could be said with booze.. But long and behold the VAST majority of people do not do that..

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

Who said the government would sell it? I did. I pulled that quote from a thread where we were discussing such a situation. Plus, I still believe that any company that would mass produce cannabis would be supplying a dumbed down product. Home based growers take the time to really care for the plant, and produce some very high-quality, potent product.

sSubZerOo

The same could be said with booze.. But long and behold the VAST majority of people do not do that..

Isn't making your own booze illegal? I'm not sure on the law regarding that, but as well, people seem to already trust their favorite beverage company, whereas with herb, people are already used to getting it from their dealer, or in California, from a medical marijuana facility. No reason for government regulations. In California, it's already legal with a doctors' recommendation, and the cannabis at the clubs is brought in by private growers. It's handled by the people, not the government or a corporation, and I like it that way. :)

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

No. Here's why. (From another thread I posted in)

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

It's true. If the governement legalized weed and tried to grow and package their own for sale, no one would buy it because no one is going to trust that the government won't put some unhealthy additives in it to **** you up.

Plus, it's so cheap and easy to grow, who wouldn't grow their own if it was legal? And if you don't have the time or space to grow, you'll find someone who does, and buy it from them. As of right now, the government is actually making all the money they could possibly want off of cannabis...by criminalizing it and laying down monetary penalties on those who get caught. If it's legal, all the cash flow would stop. They wouldn't make any more money off of tickets, and they damn sure wouldn't have anyone buying their crops when we could grow our own. sSubZerOo

I don't buy that. I mean, it's easy for me to make my own booze (as I understand, there are even restrictions on that), but that doesn't mean that it's legal for me to just sell it to people.

Also, why would the government be selling weed? The government doesn't sell tobacco or alcohol, it just lets private companies sell it and then taxes the **** out of them. So that sort of gets rid of the big government conspiracy to **** everyone up. The government ain't selling it, so what's the problem?

I think that between taxing the hell out of people who sell it legally, and fining the **** out of people who grow/sell it without the proper licenses, there'd still be a lot of money to be made.

Who said the government would sell it? I did. I pulled that quote from a thread where we were discussing such a situation. Plus, I still believe that any company that would mass produce cannabis would be supplying a dumbed down product. Home based growers take the time to really care for the plant, and produce some very high-quality, potent product.

The same could be said with booze.. But long and behold the VAST majority of people do not do that..

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

No. Here's why. (From another thread I posted in)

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

It's true. If the governement legalized weed and tried to grow and package their own for sale, no one would buy it because no one is going to trust that the government won't put some unhealthy additives in it to **** you up.

Plus, it's so cheap and easy to grow, who wouldn't grow their own if it was legal? And if you don't have the time or space to grow, you'll find someone who does, and buy it from them. As of right now, the government is actually making all the money they could possibly want off of cannabis...by criminalizing it and laying down monetary penalties on those who get caught. If it's legal, all the cash flow would stop. They wouldn't make any more money off of tickets, and they damn sure wouldn't have anyone buying their crops when we could grow our own. Deity_Slapper

I don't buy that. I mean, it's easy for me to make my own booze (as I understand, there are even restrictions on that), but that doesn't mean that it's legal for me to just sell it to people.

Also, why would the government be selling weed? The government doesn't sell tobacco or alcohol, it just lets private companies sell it and then taxes the **** out of them. So that sort of gets rid of the big government conspiracy to **** everyone up. The government ain't selling it, so what's the problem?

I think that between taxing the hell out of people who sell it legally, and fining the **** out of people who grow/sell it without the proper licenses, there'd still be a lot of money to be made.

Who said the government would sell it? I did. I pulled that quote from a thread where we were discussing such a situation. Plus, I still believe that any company that would mass produce cannabis would be supplying a dumbed down product. Home based growers take the time to really care for the plant, and produce some very high-quality, potent product.

And you can brew your own high-quality wine if you are so inclined, or grow your own tobacco.

But that doesn't mean that you can sell it without getting fined up the rear, or that a LOT of people are just gonna buy the **** legally from the store because it's more convenient. Not everyone has the time, space, or motivation to grow their own, which is precisely why we have dealers now.

If weed were ever legalized, I guarantee that some legitimate dealer would sell high quality ****, simply because that's good business. You sell high quality ****, that's what gets people to buy YOUR ****.

And for people who still choose to buy and sell it illegally, you fine them just like you do now. So the people who go legal get taxed up the rear, and the people who choose to deal illegally still get their asses fined off.

As I said before, I can make my own freaking wine, but I can't exactly make an illegal business out of it considering that I'll get severely punished if I get caught and since the free market guarantees that consumers can get a legal product that's at least comparable to what I'm offering.

All that's required is to legalize it, put restrictions on who can legally sell it/make it, and then tax the hell out it. You're still gonna get good freaking weed sold LEGALLY, the same way that you can buy good freaking wine that's sold legally.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

No. Here's why. (From another thread I posted in)

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

It's true. If the governement legalized weed and tried to grow and package their own for sale, no one would buy it because no one is going to trust that the government won't put some unhealthy additives in it to **** you up.

Plus, it's so cheap and easy to grow, who wouldn't grow their own if it was legal? And if you don't have the time or space to grow, you'll find someone who does, and buy it from them. As of right now, the government is actually making all the money they could possibly want off of cannabis...by criminalizing it and laying down monetary penalties on those who get caught. If it's legal, all the cash flow would stop. They wouldn't make any more money off of tickets, and they damn sure wouldn't have anyone buying their crops when we could grow our own. dooly420

I don't buy that. I mean, it's easy for me to make my own booze (as I understand, there are even restrictions on that), but that doesn't mean that it's legal for me to just sell it to people.

Also, why would the government be selling weed? The government doesn't sell tobacco or alcohol, it just lets private companies sell it and then taxes the **** out of them. So that sort of gets rid of the big government conspiracy to **** everyone up. The government ain't selling it, so what's the problem?

I think that between taxing the hell out of people who sell it legally, and fining the **** out of people who grow/sell it without the proper licenses, there'd still be a lot of money to be made.

Who said the government would sell it? I did. I pulled that quote from a thread where we were discussing such a situation. Plus, I still believe that any company that would mass produce cannabis would be supplying a dumbed down product. Home based growers take the time to really care for the plant, and produce some very high-quality, potent product.

The same could be said with booze.. But long and behold the VAST majority of people do not do that..

If marijuana were legalized tomorrow, I guarantee that the first people applying for a license to legally sell it are gonna be the people who have been selling it illegally.

They know their product, they know how to deliver the best product, and that's a GOOD ****ing business opportunity.

I freaking guarantee that the first batch of legal pot dealers is gonna consist of people who can provide some good fricking pot. Because the people who can provide good fricking pot are the people who other people are going to buy pot from. Simply put, they'll know how to provide some good ****, and that's what's gonna get people to buy their ****.

[QUOTE="dooly420"] but for the past 80 years most people have viewed potheads as worthless pieces of s--- because the government said so. do you really think potheads would then buy a product from those same people because the same government changed their mind? maybe a few generations down the road, but it wouldn't be anytime soon.MrGeezer

If marijuana were legalized tomorrow, I guarantee that the first people applying for a license to legally sell it are gonna be the people who have been selling it illegally.

They know their product, they know how to deliver the best product, and that's a GOOD ****ing business opportunity.

I freaking guarantee that the first batch of legal pot dealers is gonna consist of people who can provide some good fricking pot. Because the people who can provide good fricking pot are the people who other people are going to buy pot from. Simply put, they'll know how to provide some good ****, and that's what's gonna get people to buy their ****.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="dooly420"] but for the past 80 years most people have viewed potheads as worthless pieces of s--- because the government said so. do you really think potheads would then buy a product from those same people because the same government changed their mind? maybe a few generations down the road, but it wouldn't be anytime soon.dooly420

If marijuana were legalized tomorrow, I guarantee that the first people applying for a license to legally sell it are gonna be the people who have been selling it illegally.

They know their product, they know how to deliver the best product, and that's a GOOD ****ing business opportunity.

I freaking guarantee that the first batch of legal pot dealers is gonna consist of people who can provide some good fricking pot. Because the people who can provide good fricking pot are the people who other people are going to buy pot from. Simply put, they'll know how to provide some good ****, and that's what's gonna get people to buy their ****.

And no one would buy from the big corporations, because their weed would be total crap.

Really dude, EVERYONE would be applying for a license to sell the stuff.

Imagine you're an illegal marijuana dealer NOW. You grow your own ****, VERY high quality ****, and you sell it for one reason. Money. That's the ONLY reason to sell it AT ALL. If not for the money, it'd be infinitely safer to just grow the **** for yourself.

Now suddenly the **** that you've been selling for years is now LEGAL to sell, and you stand to make a lot more money by selling to MORE people and not having to worry about stuff like going to prison for 5 years, getting fined a million dollars, and having your home and property seized.

Yes, they are gonna get into the business legally.

And yes, freaking Phillip Morris very well may be selling pot first. The difference is that Phillip Morris hasn't been selling marijuana for the last 50 years. POhillip Morris can either hire people who can grow good ****, or they'll lose out to small time dealers who can legally provide better ****. Either way, the stuff that ends up on store shelves is gonna be good ****.