Marijuana Myths & Facts

[QUOTE="LeGoofyGoober"]

wtf? you laced it with horse tranquilizer. that was your problem.

kate_jones

No it came that way, found out afterwards, only had that once through no intention of my own.

That's still the problem, though. You can't blame that on marijuana after saying it was laced with that ****.

Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50-70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;8 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Ok, so marijuana contains more cancer causing properties than tobacco but AS OF YET the link has not been PROVEN.

If as many people smoked marijuana as smoked cigarettes, then I think we might substantiate that link.

Oh, wait, CIGARETTE SMOKING WAS GOOD FOR YOU UNTIL AROUND THE 1960's...remember?

Just because a study has not substantiated something yet does not mean that common sense is not applicable.

Stowik

also there is no cigarette that is pure tobaccowhich makes that whole comparison useless

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="LeGoofyGoober"]but like i said, the article states it is a very, very small risk. even so, it's only a theory. not the word "probably" not "will" in the article.SamusFreak

too a degree

there are 3 or for chemicals in marijuana that are potentionally cancurous, there are over 70 in cigarettes.

yeah^ the tabacco itself isnt all that bad its all the chemicals and crap the companies through into the Cigs that make them so damn bad

so weed bad cigs worse. no new news to me,

like I said in the other thread. cigs and alchol are worse. legalize weed or make smokeing and drinking illegal

so weed bad cigs worse. no new news to me,

like I said in the other thread. cigs and alchol are worse. legalize weed or make smokeing and drinking illegal

SamusFreak

no no no no no..... just legalize weed or don't

[QUOTE="fatzebra"][QUOTE="fatzebra"]Right. So why can't we all acknowledge weed carries risks but so does everything else we indulge in (e.g. cigs) so therefore should be legal. Okay, any opposers to that statement?LeGoofyGoober

I'm glad we agree, I'm looking for someone to disagree so I can take a big ole dump on em though =). Heh I got all my guns ready for this one.

why? alchol and cigs do everything that weed does to a greater degree

This is getting dumb, everyone is trying to prove minute facts and thats not the point at all.fatzebra

im just trying to get the point across that its pointless to demonize weed when cigs and alchol are legal and are far worse for you.

Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"][QUOTE="fatzebra"] I know two people who smoke weed regularly and are bipolar/unable to hold a relationship.Stowik

The documentary was made in Australia and for all I know marijuana is legal there.

The only thing I know about marijuana use is that MORE THAN 25 of my friends who smoked weed ended up washing cars for living while the rest of us went to college and got jobs.

I'm 30 years old, so maybe I'm too young to know everything, but in my experience the ONLY responsible people I know who smoked weed quit at some point because it was incompatible with adulthood...at least, working, raising a family, keeping a job, etc.

By the way, it's illegal...

I don't care if you want to smoke pot and feel that people who work their butts off to go to medical school and practice medicine and obey the law are part are up late at night worrying about some losers tuning out from reality...it just doesn't sound reasonable to me.

I know many people that have quit as it was imcompatible with their life, but I also know business owners and other successful individuals that still smoke. The fact is there are doctors that oppose marijuana being used medicinally on the grounds that they are losing business. Once it is legalized for medicinal use, a person can legally grow their own and they no longer need to visit their local doctor, for headaches or a mild anxiety disorder. It's not as though they are losing sleep, just potential revenue. Not all doctors are like that, but some are. The most oppostion is from the pharmacuetical industry as it hits them much harder.

Marijuana is addictive and it can cause cancer.

SuperVegeta518

[QUOTE="fatzebra"]This is getting dumb, everyone is trying to prove minute facts and thats not the point at all.SamusFreak

im just trying to get the point across that its pointless to demonize weed when cigs and alchol are legal and are far worse for you.

Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Stowik

There is no perfect formula to express marijuana use.

Shhadow_Viper

Agreed. My only point is that I have seen more damage than good done by marijuana, at least, from my perspective.

Medicinal use, sure...but we have enough problems with the legalized drugs to open the floodgates...at least, in my opinion.

I don't understand why there are so many pot threads right now. :lol:t3hrubikscube

Did I miss the memo? What is this? National Pot Day on GameSpot? Was is the deal with of these Marijuana threads?

Replace marijuana with alcohol and the results this study produced are the same. The only difference is one is legal and the other is not. And another HUGE difference is that a person can overdose and die from drinking alcohol. But yes marijuana is oh so evil isn't it.

Shhadow_Viper

That's my point. Alcohol does not help people. It has it's place, and marijuana does to...within limits. I don't think any chemical is evil...

Cyanide has a purpose. I don't think we should hand it out to everyone. Mercury is great; it just needs to be handled carefully...

Look, drugs are bad. Drinking energy drinks are bad because the whole idea is to use them when you're tired when you really should be getting more sleep. My point is, drugs are used for quick fixes that can be avoided. Tired? Sleep more. In pain? See a docter. Scared? Throw a pair.

[QUOTE="kate_jones"]

[QUOTE="LeGoofyGoober"]

wtf? you laced it with horse tranquilizer. that was your problem.

_en1gma_

No it came that way, found out afterwards, only had that once through no intention of my own.

That's still the problem, though. You can't blame that on marijuana after saying it was laced with that ****.

Im blaming that tranq for sleeping an extra hour that night, just expressing I do have regrettable experience with weed, some of my friends who didn't quit have almost been smoking 20 years now, aside from being a little recluse they are fine. It does different things to different people. Brings underlying disorders to the surface.

Just be responsible with it is all im saying.

Semantics aside, we need the money. Be ******* real with yourself for a min:|. There are **** tons of people who would pay $50+ to have what would have cost pennies to produce:o. BTW 2/3 that cost being tax revenue ;)

-only one person has died from marijuana use, and it was from choking on their own vomit.

LeGoofyGoober

I kinda chuckled at this.

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]

Replace marijuana with alcohol and the results this study produced are the same. The only difference is one is legal and the other is not. And another HUGE difference is that a person can overdose and die from drinking alcohol. But yes marijuana is oh so evil isn't it.

Stowik

That's my point. Alcohol does not help people. It has it's place, and marijuana does to...within limits. I don't think any chemical is evil...

Cyanide has a purpose. I don't think we should hand it out to everyone. Mercury is great; it just needs to be handled carefully...

[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

[QUOTE="fatzebra"]This is getting dumb, everyone is trying to prove minute facts and thats not the point at all.fatzebra

im just trying to get the point across that its pointless to demonize weed when cigs and alchol are legal and are far worse for you.

which is why I said either legalize it or make cigs and alchol illegal

There's no other debate where I've heard advocates claiming "just because X occurs simultaneously with Y, that doesn't mean X causes Y". Drug users always lie to themselves about the drawbacks of their habituations.jimmyjammer69

Never heard the cliche "Correlation does not equal causation" before?

Shhadow_Viper

There is a problem with regulating use once a substance is legal. 1/5 of Amsterdam's hash cafes were forced to close 2 years ago because authorities realised that it was the only way to curb smoking in high schools.

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Well, legalization does not mean vending machines in grade schools full of the substance. Moderation will still be encouraged just as it is with alcohol, or the users will pay the price just like with alcohol. It's not like everyone drinks and smokes ciggarettes, just because they are legal you know? It just means people that choose to use it will not go to jail or be considered second class citizens. I support legalization, but not without limitations and restrictions. I agree it should be handled carefully.jimmyjammer69

There is a problem with regulating use once a substance is legal. 1/5 of Amsterdam's hash cafes were forced to close 2 years ago because authorities realised that it was the only way to curb smoking in high schools.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]There's no other debate where I've heard advocates claiming "just because X occurs simultaneously with Y, that doesn't mean X causes Y". Drug users always lie to themselves about the drawbacks of their habituations.Shhadow_Viper

Never heard the cliche "Correlation does not equal causation" before?

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Well, legalization does not mean vending machines in grade schools full of the substance. Moderation will still be encouraged just as it is with alcohol, or the users will pay the price just like with alcohol. It's not like everyone drinks and smokes ciggarettes, just because they are legal you know? It just means people that choose to use it will not go to jail or be considered second class citizens. I support legalization, but not without limitations and restrictions. I agree it should be handled carefully.Shhadow_Viper

There is a problem with regulating use once a substance is legal. 1/5 of Amsterdam's hash cafes were forced to close 2 years ago because authorities realised that it was the only way to curb smoking in high schools.

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]There's no other debate where I've heard advocates claiming "just because X occurs simultaneously with Y, that doesn't mean X causes Y". Drug users always lie to themselves about the drawbacks of their habituations.jimmyjammer69

Never heard the cliche "Correlation does not equal causation" before?

All you posted was statements that you claim are facts. Weed is addicting and there is lots of evidence.

roulettethedog

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

There is a problem with regulating use once a substance is legal. 1/5 of Amsterdam's hash cafes were forced to close 2 years ago because authorities realised that it was the only way to curb smoking in high schools.

jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Just because Preists have been found to molest children, does not mean being a preist causes them to molest children. There's one.

Never heard the cliche "Correlation does not equal causation" before?

Shhadow_Viper

But maybe we would be perfectly justified in applying some sort of causal rule here. What possible argument are you countering?

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Ok, so it looks like they have found a way to regulate it, no?

Shhadow_Viper

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I've heard it, but I've never heard it argued so many times as in this debate. I'm not going to make any claims about the effect of celibacy on the libido and psychology of a person; what claim are you trying to make about priests? Maybe that there is a connection but your theory is...?jimmyjammer69

But maybe we would be perfectly justified in applying some sort of causal rule here. What possible argument are you countering?

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]That was just an example of how "just because X occurs simultaneously with Y, that doesn't mean X causes Y" can be applied to another debate, that's all. I am making no assertion for or against preists.Shhadow_Viper

But maybe we would be perfectly justified in applying some sort of causal rule here. What possible argument are you countering?

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Well, we've yet to see, but the means they're proposing is prohibition. jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Regulation and restriction is not all out prohibiiton. Alcohol is not illegal, but it is somewhat regulated and restricted. Shhadow_Viper

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

But maybe we would be perfectly justified in applying some sort of causal rule here. What possible argument are you countering?

jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] This would be a prohibition of sale in certain places. There is a very clear link between availability and consumption... Sorry, I've just realised you'd already admitted that :oops:

jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Just because I do not want to see a small time petty user put in jail, does not mean I want school kids lighting up. Just to be clear. Adults on their own time and in designated areas should not be treated the same as violent criminals. Decriminalization alone would be nice.Shhadow_Viper

I don't understand why there are so many pot threads right now. :lol:t3hrubikscube

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I have honestly never heard of anyone getting jail-time for small scale personal possession, then again, I don't live in America.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Yeah I have been in jail for small time possesion, so my perspective is quite varied from yours. That's why it is such a hot-button issue here in the States. Not to mention the stereotype of being a worthless degenerate that accompanies the substance being illegal.

Shhadow_Viper

Holy crap, jailed for an eighth... That's not funny. I don't know exactly where they draw the line between personal and intent to supply in the UK, but there is certainly a degree of flexibility and 99 times out of 100, a person of previous good character carrying several ounces still wouldn't get prison time.

Im all for it too actually.... If you can drink and smoke, you can get high! :P

I don't even care about legalizing it anymore. I just hope they tax the **** out if it.