Funny but I've read some facts that contradict of few of yours. Anyway, no need to legalize another substance that messes with the mind...hmm.
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Funny but I've read some facts that contradict of few of yours. Anyway, no need to legalize another substance that messes with the mind...hmm.
If it becomes legal, I say we build airtight smoking pods in public. People enter, smoke themselves silly and then get sprayed with cold water and a bit of perfume after.SolidSnake35Why?
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]If it becomes legal, I say we build airtight smoking pods in public. People enter, smoke themselves silly and then get sprayed with cold water and a bit of perfume after.xxDustmanxxWhy? it would apply to all smokers. Keeps them from contaminating the nearby air that I like to breathe.
[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]If it becomes legal, I say we build airtight smoking pods in public. People enter, smoke themselves silly and then get sprayed with cold water and a bit of perfume after.SolidSnake35Why? it would apply to all smokers. Keeps them from contaminating the nearby air that I like to breathe. I don't think that I've ever smoked around a non-smoker and gotten them high. Either way, its not going to negatively affect you. Besides, you don't seem to mind the massive amounts of pollution coming from the cars you drive, but then again...that benefits you.
Marijuana contains carcinogens...AnObscureNameCannabis SMOKE contains carcinogens. It also contains cannibanoids that have protective properties against smoke.
I'm sorry, but you are not an expert. You have not been in a laboratory studying Marijuana for the last 20 years. You do not have a degree in medicine, biology, or chemistry. You don't have a psychology degree. you don't have an anthropology degree, you don't have a sociology degree... Why should I assume you know anything about the effects of marijuana on humans?
All you did was take information from sources you believe to be correct and then tell me that they are correct. This is one of the downfalls of how humans spread information. You have no actual sources. Just because you've read something, heard something, from somebody or something doesn't make it true. I could browse the web and find substaintly sources that say everything you just said is false. But I didn't do that. Why? Because in the end the there is no winning this argument. People believe what they want to believe even if it's true or not true. That's the most important lesson all of us need to learn about each other.
This is my argument why your post is senseless and is not valid what so ever. Nobody should take what you say as truth.
I don't think that I've ever smoked around a non-smoker and gotten them high. Either way, its not going to negatively affect you. Besides, you don't seem to mind the massive amounts of pollution coming from the cars you drive, but then again...that benefits you.xxDustmanxxIt's still not pleasant. And yeah, driving has benefits... smoking doesn't.
[QUOTE="AnObscureName"]Marijuana contains carcinogens...xxDustmanxxCannabis SMOKE contains carcinogens. It also contains cannibanoids that have protective properties against smoke. I was under the impression that you smoked cannabis, funnily enough...
Im not for it but if it does like the other poster said hopefully the government would be able tax it even higher than cigs and maybe hurt the drug dealers a little bit.Kurushio
I worked on a base for a little while and one day a DEA representative was there for whatever reason. We started talking and he told me that he personally felt all drugs should be legal. He argued that regardless of legality, people who want to take these drugs will. He said it would help free up room in our prisons for violent offenders while also curbing some gang violence. Buuuut. The government stands to make much more money fighting drugs than legalizing and taxing them, so that's not going to happen.
[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="AnObscureName"]Marijuana contains carcinogens...AnObscureNameCannabis SMOKE contains carcinogens. It also contains cannibanoids that have protective properties against smoke. I was under the impression that you smoked cannabis, funnily enough...
Whoa hold your horses there. your facts are not entirely accurate.Im all for legalization by the way.
1) Smoking pot or tobacco or whatever dose cause damage to your lungs, and can lead to cancer. grantedtobacco and weed contain different amounts of carcinogenic substances, smoke from weed isnt "safe" you also have to think that just about all the pot you can buy on the street is sprayed with pesticides among other things.
2) Smoking dosent just cause cancer, but can lead to other diseases, and can seriously affect your cardiovascular system
3) Although pot is said to be nonadictive, people do tend to make it a habit and be dependent on its use, first just to trip and chill out, then for any and every ocasion.
4) Ever heardof amotivational syndrome?? google it.
5) Certain people shouldnt do any type of drugs including pot, for risk of decompensating and orexacerbating underlying mental illness
So Its not entirely without consequences but im willing to put up with them
[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]I don't think that I've ever smoked around a non-smoker and gotten them high. Either way, its not going to negatively affect you. Besides, you don't seem to mind the massive amounts of pollution coming from the cars you drive, but then again...that benefits you.SolidSnake35It's still not pleasant. And yeah, driving has benefits... smoking doesn't. I would definitely consider the deep insights that Ive had while high are a major benefit to my existence, and psychological state.
I was under the impression that you smoked cannabis, funnily enough... I'm afraid some evidence is required and I doubt it protects against carcinogens. But show me some evidence and I'll shut up.[QUOTE="AnObscureName"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"] Cannabis SMOKE contains carcinogens. It also contains cannibanoids that have protective properties against smoke.xxDustmanxx
[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]I'm afraid some evidence is required and I doubt it protects against carcinogens. But show me some evidence and I'll shut up.http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/ Read on...[QUOTE="AnObscureName"] I was under the impression that you smoked cannabis, funnily enough...AnObscureName
Both of those only mention lung cancer and nothing about lip, tongue or throat cancers which are associated with smoking that doesn't involve as much inhaling of smoke.Also...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html
xxDustmanxx
[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]I don't think that I've ever smoked around a non-smoker and gotten them high. Either way, its not going to negatively affect you. Besides, you don't seem to mind the massive amounts of pollution coming from the cars you drive, but then again...that benefits you.SolidSnake35It's still not pleasant. And yeah, driving has benefits... smoking doesn't.Says the non smoker...
[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Both of those only mention lung cancer and nothing about lip, tongue or throat cancers which are associated with smoking that doesn't involve as much inhaling of smoke. Countless studies have shown that cannibinoids exhibit anti-cancer properties...Its not going to give you cancer man. Educate yourself, do the research.Also...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html
AnObscureName
[QUOTE="AnObscureName"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Both of those only mention lung cancer and nothing about lip, tongue or throat cancers which are associated with smoking that doesn't involve as much inhaling of smoke. Countless studies have shown that cannibinoids exhibit anti-cancer properties...Its not going to give you cancer man. Educate yourself, do the research. Well I've been reading this article and it seems to say that opinion is divided and that no conclusive findings have been made so I guess neither of us is strictly right.Also...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html
xxDustmanxx
I love how people are using this against decriminalization (we do not want marijuana to be legalized) or marijuana. They make cigarettes seem so harmless haha. Oh ignorance... This thread can be summed up in 1 documentary film, The Union. Watch it and I can guarantee you're views on marijuana will change, even if you smoke it.Marijuana is addictive and it can cause cancer.
SuperVegeta518
[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]I love how people are using this against decriminalization (we do not want marijuana to be legalized) or marijuana. They make cigarettes seem so harmless haha. Oh ignorance... This thread can be summed up in 1 documentary film, The Union. Watch it and I can guarantee you're views on marijuana will change, even if you smoke it. which i posted just above ur postMarijuana is addictive and it can cause cancer.
DabsTight703
Thanks for the info. I'm firmly against legalization of any drugs, including Marijuana. If it ever does manage to get legalized, I hope those who buy it are taxed into the ground. :D raven_squadeven if its legalized. the people who used it before would still get it the illegal way
Im not for it but if it does like the other poster said hopefully the government would be able tax it even higher than cigs and maybe hurt the drug dealers a little bit.KurushioThat makes no sense at all. It would help the drug dealers. Let's pretend weed is legal and taxed the crap out of. Why would I buy something so heavily taxed when I can buy the same thing not taxed at all?
[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"][QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"]And imagine every police, ambulance driver, kid or what have getting high 24/7 a day. Society wouldn't work and the slackers would rule the entire planet and end the existance of mankind and yadda yadda. No, I think Mary Jane should be as illegal as can be. Every drug should, even alcoholGamingcucumberAlcohol is legal, yet we do not see every person getting drunk 24/7. Just because marijuana is legalized does not mean it would be acceptable to smoke on the job. I have no idea where people get these ideas from. We don't!? Are you being sarcastic now or...? Then where do all thsese beatings, drunken drivers, alcholics etc come from? From NOT being drunk?wtf are you talking about, if you go out in public you might see a drunk person but probably not. i guarantee you there's more people getting high on the job than drunk, and you probably don't even notice.
We don't!? Are you being sarcastic now or...? Then where do all thsese beatings, drunken drivers, alcholics etc come from? From NOT being drunk?wtf are you talking about, if you go out in public you might see a drunk person but probably not. i guarantee you there's more people getting high on the job than drunk, and you probably don't even notice. If you read my post you can clearly see what it is exactly that I'm talking about. But just for you I can repeat myself and mention once more what problems alcohol cause. Assaults, alcohole poisonings, drunken drivers, alcoholism to name a few. Much more than 50% (close or even 90%) of all the adults in the U.S consume alcohol and there are countless who have directly died to alcohol abuse. Not to mention all the victims that can indirectly be connected to it. A man getting drunk and beating his family for example. A classic case. So please don't give me that "Ooh, alcohol is harmless" because it's as real as the tiny green leprecauns you might see when you get high[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"][QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Alcohol is legal, yet we do not see every person getting drunk 24/7. Just because marijuana is legalized does not mean it would be acceptable to smoke on the job. I have no idea where people get these ideas from.needled24-7
[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"][QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Alcohol is legal, yet we do not see every person getting drunk 24/7. Just because marijuana is legalized does not mean it would be acceptable to smoke on the job. I have no idea where people get these ideas from.Shhadow_ViperWe don't!? Are you being sarcastic now or...? Then where do all thsese beatings, drunken drivers, alcholics etc come from? From NOT being drunk?So every police, ambulance driver, or kid is drunk 24/7? Do you even believe that? Honestly? Legal does not mean everyone does it, just so you know. People will still make the personal choice, weighing the pros and cons just like with alcohol and tobacco. And legal or not, people will find a way to get what they want. Marijuana is not dangerous or detrimental enough to warrant it being illegal. Prohibition of marijuana is a burden on taxpayers, police, the judicial system, the prison system... All that money spent and yet the actual interception rate of marijuana traffickers and users is so low that anyone besides the government would be fired for gross negligence and utter failure. Legal makes it legal for anyone to do it. And I wouldn't count on the general public and their judgement. You mentioned cigarettes yourself, even though it's more uncommon today than let's say 50 years ago...people weren't exactly hiding the fact that they smoked. In fact it is considered social to be out drinking or go for a smoke. Which I'm not sure smoking weed should be good if considered to be. Yes I can see why people do it, not arguing about that. But drugs in general is never good if they get into the wrong hands, which is why none should be legal.
Just throwing this out there, Portugal has had ALL drugs decriminalized for a while now (no criminal penalties for posession whatsoever), and all he'll certainly hasn't broken loose. The country is doing fine, teen drug use is down, and I think hard drug use for all ages is down as well. pis3rchThat's partly because supply or production of drugs is still illegal and as strictly punished as in other countries.
[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"][QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]So every police, ambulance driver, or kid is drunk 24/7? Do you even believe that? Honestly? Legal does not mean everyone does it, just so you know. People will still make the personal choice, weighing the pros and cons just like with alcohol and tobacco. And legal or not, people will find a way to get what they want. Marijuana is not dangerous or detrimental enough to warrant it being illegal. Prohibition of marijuana is a burden on taxpayers, police, the judicial system, the prison system... All that money spent and yet the actual interception rate of marijuana traffickers and users is so low that anyone besides the government would be fired for gross negligence and utter failure.Shhadow_ViperLegal makes it legal for anyone to do it. And I wouldn't count on the general public and their judgement. You mentioned cigarettes yourself, even though it's more uncommon today than let's say 50 years ago...people weren't exactly hiding the fact that they smoked. In fact it is considered social to be out drinking or go for a smoke. Which I'm not sure smoking weed should be good if considered to be. Yes I can see why people do it, not arguing about that. But drugs in general is never good if they get into the wrong hands, which is why none should be legal.Legal does not make it legal for anyone to use it. Can a 12 year old go buy some beer or whiskey? A mind altering substance will not be legal for minors to consume. It is illegal to get drunk in public, I am sure a similar policy would be enacted for legal marijuana use. Legal marijuana use would likely be restricted as to where it could be consumed, like alcohol is. Many things are dangerous in the wrong hands, should guns be entirely outlawed as well? How about fast cars? How about knives? Or rat poison? Just because something is potentially dangerous is not substantial reasoning to outlaw it. First of all your comparisons are unvalid. Some of them are weapons and some them are means for travel and there are speed limits. And yes personal use of guns should be banned. We live in the 21st centuary and not in the Wild West. The only risk of getting shot are from people who have guns for personal use not hunters or policemen, unless ...well. Second: Alcohol is indeed not for children under a certain age but they just have "insert adult" to buy them for them or what have you. It's not like it's hard to get beer for a minor or cigarettes. So again what it all boils down to is the people's common sense or judgement which isn't saying much. I'am sure mary jane has caused it's share of problems just like any other substance, however you deem them risky or worthwhile is but an opinion. Instead of spreading yet one more potential harmful substance to the masses, I say we keep it away and start working to reduce the problems the ones still around are giving us. Tobaco and alcohol. I don't think we ever could take away alcohol completely or at least in a long while, but the drinking should be reduced and there is a limit. Side note: and if would be legal do grow marjuana there is no doubt that the production for other substance's would increase and perhaps introduce people to even heavier drugs which offer's greater trips. You could call it the domino effect.
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