Marijuana should be legalized, right?

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]Against it we don't need an extra problem.Korzenowski

People would use it and then productivity would go down.

idunno, humans are naturally efficient (i.e. lazy)...if anything, smoking would make people more tolerant of mundane jobs. I know if I was on an assembly lineor worked some crap job, being high would make it a whole lot better.

Give sweatshop workers some weed and some good tunes, I guarentee you productivity would increase

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]Against it we don't need an extra problem._en1gma_

People would use it and then productivity would go down.

Korzenowski

Do you know how many people are high, and doing their jobs, right now?

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

People would use it and then productivity would go down.

effena

Do you know how many people are high, and doing their jobs, right now?

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Out of curiosity...how would it be a problem?_en1gma_

People would use it and then productivity would go down.

Whenever something is legalized, its rate of incidence is always higher than that of if it were illegal.

People in Europe have worse alcohol problems than in the US because it's legal for kids to drink, so they do it early and it evolves worse later in life than for people in the US who have to do it in secret if they are under 21.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]Against it we don't need an extra problem.cyberdarkkid

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

People would use it and then productivity would go down.

effena

Do you know how many people are high, and doing their jobs, right now?

Drugs make the productivity of a nation go down.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

People would use it and then productivity would go down.

Whenever something is legalized, its rate of incidence is always higher than that of if it were illegal.

People in Europe have worse alcohol problems than in the US because it's legal for kids to drink, so they do it early and it evolves worse later in life than for people in the US who have to do it in secret if they are under 21.

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Out of curiosity...how would it be a problem?mrbojangles25

People would use it and then productivity would go down.

idunno, humans are naturally efficient (i.e. lazy)...if anything, smoking would make people more tolerant of mundane jobs. I know if I was on an assembly lineor worked some crap job, being high would make it a whole lot better.

Give sweatshop workers some weed and some good tunes, I guarentee you productivity would increase

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] What makes you think the usage of marijuana will increase upon legalization? I would argue that there would not be many more users of it upon legalization...especially since many people just do it as a symbol of "rebellion". That wouldn't be the case if it were legal. There aren't many people out there that don't smoke because it is illegal and then start smoking upon legalization... Even if everyone did start doing it, "productivity" would not go down. That is utter bull****. Lazy people are lazy and productive people are productive. Marijuana would not change that.sSubZerOo

Whenever something is legalized, its rate of incidence is always higher than that of if it were illegal.

People in Europe have worse alcohol problems than in the US because it's legal for kids to drink, so they do it early and it evolves worse later in life than for people in the US who have to do it in secret if they are under 21.

[QUOTE="effena"]

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

People would use it and then productivity would go down.

Do you know how many people are high, and doing their jobs, right now?

Drugs make the productivity of a nation go down.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

People would use it and then productivity would go down.

Vaasman

idunno, humans are naturally efficient (i.e. lazy)...if anything, smoking would make people more tolerant of mundane jobs. I know if I was on an assembly lineor worked some crap job, being high would make it a whole lot better.

Give sweatshop workers some weed and some good tunes, I guarentee you productivity would increase

I don't know. It is hard to say. Weed can be great, but it very easily gets out of hand. If you smoke pot.... the odds of you trying other drugs are way higher as well. If it did become legal I think it should be for people 21 and older. Marijuana is really something... god only knows if it will become legal. To sum it all up... Everyone must get stoned.Diablo112688

Drugs make the productivity of a nation go down.

Korzenowski

I find that hard to believe. Look at the plethera of legal drugs that tons of people are on in North America, and were still productive

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] What makes you think the usage of marijuana will increase upon legalization? I would argue that there would not be many more users of it upon legalization...especially since many people just do it as a symbol of "rebellion". That wouldn't be the case if it were legal. There aren't many people out there that don't smoke because it is illegal and then start smoking upon legalization... Even if everyone did start doing it, "productivity" would not go down. That is utter bull****. Lazy people are lazy and productive people are productive. Marijuana would not change that.sSubZerOo

Whenever something is legalized, its rate of incidence is always higher than that of if it were illegal.

People in Europe have worse alcohol problems than in the US because it's legal for kids to drink, so they do it early and it evolves worse later in life than for people in the US who have to do it in secret if they are under 21.

One reason there are fewer traffic fatalities there is because there is much more access to public transportation there, trains, rails etc than in the US.

Most people drive in the US, but in Europe, while there still are many drivers, you find many more avenues of transportation. The lower traffic fatalities partially come from the fact that they aren't driving in the first place.

Your claim about them being more productive and happier etc is debatable, I don't really know anything about it.

My point is, the idea that Europeans have fewer alcohol problems than Americans do is a HUGE misconception.

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

Drugs make the productivity of a nation go down.

effena

I find that hard to believe. Look at the plethrea of legal drugs that tons of people are on in North America, and were still productive

I meant "street" drugs, like weed, not regular doses of prescription drugs as prescribed by a physician.

If person A and person B are exactly the same, except that person B uses street drugs and person A does not, theoretically, person A is going to be more productive and more capable of working due to their habits and (slightly) better health.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

Whenever something is legalized, its rate of incidence is always higher than that of if it were illegal.

People in Europe have worse alcohol problems than in the US because it's legal for kids to drink, so they do it early and it evolves worse later in life than for people in the US who have to do it in secret if they are under 21.

One reason there are fewer traffic fatalities there is because there is much more access to public transportation there, trains, rails etc than in the US.

Most people drive in the US, but in Europe, while there still are many drivers, you find many more avenues of transportation. The lower traffic fatalities partially come from the fact that they aren't driving in the first place.

Your claim about them being more productive and happier etc is debatable, I don't really know anything about it.

My point is, the idea that Europeans have fewer alcohol problems than Americans do is a HUGE misconception.

[QUOTE="Diablo112688"]I don't know. It is hard to say. Weed can be great, but it very easily gets out of hand. If you smoke pot.... the odds of you trying other drugs are way higher as well. If it did become legal I think it should be for people 21 and older. Marijuana is really something... god only knows if it will become legal. To sum it all up... Everyone must get stoned.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="effena"]

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

Drugs make the productivity of a nation go down.

Korzenowski

I find that hard to believe. Look at the plethrea of legal drugs that tons of people are on in North America, and were still productive

I meant "street" drugs, like weed, not regular doses of prescription drugs as prescribed by a physician.

If person A and person B are exactly the same, except that person B uses street drugs and person A does not, theoretically, person A is going to be more productive and more capable of working due to their habits and (slightly) better health.

[QUOTE="effena"]

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

Drugs make the productivity of a nation go down.

I find that hard to believe. Look at the plethrea of legal drugs that tons of people are on in North America, and were still productive

I meant "street" drugs, like weed, not regular doses of prescription drugs as prescribed by a physician.

If person A and person B are exactly the same, except that person B uses street drugs and person A does not, theoretically, person A is going to be more productive and more capable of working due to their habits and (slightly) better health.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

idunno, humans are naturally efficient (i.e. lazy)...if anything, smoking would make people more tolerant of mundane jobs. I know if I was on an assembly lineor worked some crap job, being high would make it a whole lot better.

Give sweatshop workers some weed and some good tunes, I guarentee you productivity would increase

_en1gma_

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

[QUOTE="effena"]

I find that hard to believe. Look at the plethrea of legal drugs that tons of people are on in North America, and were still productive

_en1gma_

I meant "street" drugs, like weed, not regular doses of prescription drugs as prescribed by a physician.

If person A and person B are exactly the same, except that person B uses street drugs and person A does not, theoretically, person A is going to be more productive and more capable of working due to their habits and (slightly) better health.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Oh yea because when I think hard work and productivity, the first thing I think of is a bunch of potheads sitting around on the corner.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

I meant "street" drugs, like weed, not regular doses of prescription drugs as prescribed by a physician.

If person A and person B are exactly the same, except that person B uses street drugs and person A does not, theoretically, person A is going to be more productive and more capable of working due to their habits and (slightly) better health.

Diablo112688

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Diablo112688"]I don't know. It is hard to say. Weed can be great, but it very easily gets out of hand. If you smoke pot.... the odds of you trying other drugs are way higher as well. If it did become legal I think it should be for people 21 and older. Marijuana is really something... god only knows if it will become legal. To sum it all up... Everyone must get stoned.Diablo112688

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

[QUOTE="effena"]

I find that hard to believe. Look at the plethrea of legal drugs that tons of people are on in North America, and were still productive

_en1gma_

I meant "street" drugs, like weed, not regular doses of prescription drugs as prescribed by a physician.

If person A and person B are exactly the same, except that person B uses street drugs and person A does not, theoretically, person A is going to be more productive and more capable of working due to their habits and (slightly) better health.

Yah.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

I meant "street" drugs, like weed, not regular doses of prescription drugs as prescribed by a physician.

If person A and person B are exactly the same, except that person B uses street drugs and person A does not, theoretically, person A is going to be more productive and more capable of working due to their habits and (slightly) better health.

Korzenowski

Yah.

I meant "street" drugs, like weed, not regular doses of prescription drugs as prescribed by a physician.

If person A and person B are exactly the same, except that person B uses street drugs and person A does not, theoretically, person A is going to be more productive and more capable of working due to their habits and (slightly) better health.

Korzenowski

Guess what? I've worked with lots of people who are person "A" and "B". There is no difference, unless it becomes a physical addiction or under some kind of physical intoxication, like alcohol.weed is not capable of those types of things, or at least not to the degree where it would affect productivity.

But I'm not going to argue. Weed is fun, and it makes people relax in our high-stressed society, where people fret over every little thing. I see no harm in people using it

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Why would you think that at all? :| We are arguing that they are completely separate entities.And way to steretype marijuana users based on media.

_en1gma_

Oh yeah, the whole thing about weed not being "addicting," only "habit-forming," yeah, it's kind of an easy habit to form.

Technically, it's not addicting because it doesn't carry any addiction-causing chemicals, but the habit is very easy to jump in, how do I know, I tried it, it was great, but I saw that it could be dangerous, so I abstained from it after that one time.

There are better ways to relieve stress.

There are better ways to relieve stress.

Korzenowski

I agree, but there are no easier ways:P

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

There are better ways to relieve stress.

effena

I agree, but there are no easier ways:P

If one is strong enough to do it though, the achievement is better.

I exercize to calm myself down.

[QUOTE="effena"]

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

There are better ways to relieve stress.

Korzenowski

I agree, but there are no easier ways:P

If one is strong enough to do it though, the achievement is better.

I exercize to calm myself down.

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

[QUOTE="effena"]

I agree, but there are no easier ways:P

_en1gma_

If one is strong enough to do it though, the achievement is better.

I exercize to calm myself down.

Because mine are better and theirs are worse.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

If one is strong enough to do it though, the achievement is better.

I exercize to calm myself down.

Korzenowski

Because mine are better and theirs are worse.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

idunno, humans are naturally efficient (i.e. lazy)...if anything, smoking would make people more tolerant of mundane jobs. I know if I was on an assembly lineor worked some crap job, being high would make it a whole lot better.

Give sweatshop workers some weed and some good tunes, I guarentee you productivity would increase

_en1gma_

I know a lot of engineers, doctors, and contruction workers that smoke pot. Theyre hard brilliant, save lives, and work their asses off.

Stereotyping FTL

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Why would you infringe on other people's methods of relieving stress and replace them with methods you think are better?_en1gma_

Because mine are better and theirs are worse.

It's still true.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]haha yea thats exaaaactly where my perception of the average pot smoker comes from, lets just keep telling eachother that incase the cops are listening in.

Vaasman

this applies to literally everything tho. Why should we deprive the majority the satisfaction of enjoying pot in moderation when a select few overindulge?

Next you will want to take away coffee (it causes ulcers, mood swings, and fatigue when overconsumed) and tobacco (cancer when overconsumed)

I mean, when you analyze it, there really is no fair, justifiable reason for pot to remain illegal.

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Oh yea because when I think hard work and productivity, the first thing I think of is a bunch of potheads sitting around on the corner.

mrbojangles25

I know a lot of engineers, doctors, and contruction workers that smoke pot. Theyre hard brilliant, save lives, and work their asses off.

Stereotyping FTL

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Oh yea because when I think hard work and productivity, the first thing I think of is a bunch of potheads sitting around on the corner.

mrbojangles25

I know a lot of engineers, doctors, and contruction workers that smoke pot. Theyre hard brilliant, save lives, and work their asses off.

Stereotyping FTL

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

If one is strong enough to do it though, the achievement is better.

I exercize to calm myself down.

Korzenowski

Because mine are better and theirs are worse.

fascist

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Why would you infringe on other people's methods of relieving stress and replace them with methods you think are better?mrbojangles25

Because mine are better and theirs are worse.

fascist

Don't label me, please.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Why would you think that at all? :| We are arguing that they are completely separate entities.And way to steretype marijuana users based on media.

Vaasman

I know a lot of engineers, doctors, and contruction workers that smoke pot. Theyre hard brilliant, save lives, and work their asses off.

Stereotyping FTL

oh no, I know they exist. Ive lived with them for over four years. Ive seen people literally smoke themselves stupid. One roommate dropped out of school...TWICe...because of pot. I know better than most how lazy, pathetic, and innefficient pot consumption can make someone when taken out of proportion.

I empathize with your beliefs.

And yet I think it should be legal.

There will be a "break in" period where people will run down the middle of the street screaming "WOOOOO POT's LEGAL" and productivity will go down. Hippies, complete with smelly armpits and 30 year old bicycles, will walk around joint-in-mouthand your children will ask "Daddy, is there a skunk around here?" from their sandboxes

But eventually the novelty will wear off. Pot will, eventually, just become another simple pleasure, like a good beer at the end of the day, or a nice cigarette during your lunchbreak.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Korzenowski"]

Because mine are better and theirs are worse.

Korzenowski

fascist

Don't label me, please.

you labeled yourself