Marriage or not, why do people oppose g@ys anyway?

I don't see why homosexuality is even an issue.

Regardless of marriage, some people seem to have this completely misguided stigma against homosexuals, as if their lives are being altered because of it.

For the religiously opposed:

Only God can judge others, and you are committing an equally offensive sin by judging them yourselves. The Bible states that God sees ALL sins as equal and you are no better than the ones you preach against. Judging and condemning people to Hell is just as offensive, in God's eyes, as killing a man. So maybe you should read a little bit into your own book.

For the others opposed:

Why?

It has no effect on your lives. Why does it matter?

Do you have a REAL reason why you're offended, other than the fact that most people seem to be against it, so you might as well just 'go with the flow' to avoid ridicule?

I'm really confused as to why people get so crazy about things that make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE to them. Maybe you should get a hobby rather than complain about people loving each other that you don't like.

Personally I cannot stand it when people go out of their way to oppose something that has nothing to do with them, such as marriage.

I don't see why homosexuality is even an issue.

Regardless of marriage, some people seem to have this completely misguided stigma against homosexuals, as if their lives are being altered because of it.

For the religiously opposed:

Only God can judge others, and you are committing an equally offensive sin by judging them yourselves. The Bible states that God sees ALL sins as equal and you are no better than the ones you preach against. Judging and condemning people to Hell is just as offensive, in God's eyes, as killing a man. So maybe you should read a little bit into your own book.

For the others opposed:

Why?

It has no effect on your lives. Why does it matter?

Do you have a REAL reason why you're offended, other than the fact that most people seem to be against it, so you might as well just 'go with the flow' to avoid ridicule?

I'm really confused as to why people get so crazy about things that make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE to them. Maybe you should get a hobby rather than complain about people loving each other that you don't like.

Deathxcore

Because people are stupid , they feel that what works for them must work for everyone else , I say leave people alone and mind your own business as long as it doesn't effect you .

It has no effect on your lives. Why does it matter?

Deathxcore

Nailed it right thar.

I have no issues with homosexuals, and supported and marched with them during prop 8 season

However, if I did not like gays, I imagine it'd be because:

1. Gay physical relationships offend people. Hell, even I am guilty of going "ewww" when I see two gay guys frenching when I walk around San Francisco. But, I dont like excessive PDAs of any sexual orientation tbh. Get a room, puh-lease.

2. Religion. Since when has anyone interpreted the Bible as-is? People always use it to suit their own ends. If a person's nature is to be bigoted and cruel, then of course theyre going to be a hypocrite and use the Bible to suit their mindset.

3. Its different. People fear change and different stuff, especially when they dont understand the nature of it.

even I am guilty of going "ewww" when I see two gay guys frenchingmrbojangles25

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] even I am guilty of going "ewww" when I see two gay guys frenchingMushroomWig

if you had read my entire post, you would see that I dont really like two straight people french kissing either.

With that said, I agree they have every right, gay or straight. Does not mean I have to like it; I can handle hand-holding, hugging, kisses, slaps on the ass...I just dont like full-on making out sessions on a park bench in broad daylight

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] even I am guilty of going "ewww" when I see two gay guys frenchingmrbojangles25

if you had read my entire post, you would see that I dont really like two straight people french kissing either

Because society expects everyone to be straight... >___>;; And if you go against society's demands then you're considered a freak.Aquat1cF1sh

I love how ONLY people who are in agreement with freedom of sexuality are posting here, while all the 'opinionated, stern, and confident, gay haters' avoid the conflict. I really wish they'd come in here and post some of their "logic".Deathxcore

there is no logic, or even valid reason.

the best they can do is quote the Bible and cite it as fact because "its God's word", but even that makes them look like asses, even to most religious people.

[QUOTE="Deathxcore"]I love how ONLY people who are in agreement with freedom of sexuality are posting here, while all the 'opinionated, stern, and confident, gay haters' avoid the conflict. I really wish they'd come in here and post some of their "logic".F1_2004

Then don't watch them 'do it'.

Pretty simple conclusion.

And I was mostly speaking toward the ones that actively protest homosexuality and outright HATE them.

I think homosexual intercourse is gross too, that's why I'm straight.

And as for the people that hate fat, ugly, and incest; they're just as ignorant. Why does society have to settle with the bare minimum of social tolerance?

Comparing yourself to other garbage still makes you trash.

Ignorance is the grossest thing imaginable.

Haters gotta´ hate? o:

[QUOTE="Deathxcore"]I love how ONLY people who are in agreement with freedom of sexuality are posting here, while all the 'opinionated, stern, and confident, gay haters' avoid the conflict. I really wish they'd come in here and post some of their "logic".F1_2004

Being disgusted by fat or ugly people is a bit extreme, that's bordering on what we call prejudice, same thing with homosexuals. It doesn't affect you, it's just part of who that person is in all three cases. As for the public nudity thing, that's public, that's forcing the issue into the open. With homosexuality it's simply something people feel, a relationship that isn't inherently public in any manner, why should it affect anyone.

Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right now.

I have nothing against gays. I'll admit I don't feel the most comfortable around two guys making out, but then most people don't like it when a straight couple makes out in public either. There's really no reason why gay couples shouldnt have all the same rights as straight couples. But I'd be careful about hating on the haters, so to speak. The solution to ignorance and hate isn't more ignorance and hate.

Not allowing marriagei sn't the same as judging them. Judging them could be used as part of the formulation of the law, but it need not be.Vandalvideo

It kinda is, you're saying that legally, for some reason or another one group should not be allowed to have full participation in a society as every other group does, that's judging them.

Bronze age morality. A book has convinced people that everything that gays do is their business.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"] wtf do you expect to hear? There's people that find certain things disgusting, like fat people, ugly people, incest, and gays. Marriage and legal rights of gay couples you could argue is a matter of human rights. But what makes you think you can judge what people are disgusted by? I'll feel however I want to feel about gay people, but thanks for your criticism!Deathxcore

Being disgusted by fat or ugly people is a bit extreme, that's bordering on what we call prejudice, same thing with homosexuals. It doesn't affect you, it's just part of who that person is in all three cases. As for the public nudity thing, that's public, that's forcing the issue into the open. With homosexuality it's simply something people feel, a relationship that isn't inherently public in any manner, why should it affect anyone.

Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right now.

unfortunately, this is true. It took me many months of dating a girl that hated herself to realize that self-loathing folks are the most intolerant, bigoted, and nasty people around

Because they're ignorant.chessmaster1989

I have nothing against gays. I'll admit I don't feel the most comfortable around two guys making out, but then most people don't like it when a straight couple makes out in public either. There's really no reason why gay couples shouldnt have all the same rights as straight couples. But I'd be careful about hating on the haters, so to speak. The solution to ignorance and hate isn't more ignorance and hate.

sonicare

I agree my a philosophical/ethical/whatever standpoint, but unfortunately I dont see a lot of other options.

fight fire with fire, you know?

Because they're ignorant.chessmaster1989

They fear teh gays will take their womens...wait...that's not right...leaves more womens...I have no idearawsavon

Spread their gayness to the women maybe? Convince them that hetero guys are pigs? I dunno, makes no sense to me.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Because they're ignorant.xaos

well, thats the first logicial reason to oppose gays Ive ever read. And coming from one, no less!

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]They fear teh gays will take their womens...wait...that's not right...leaves more womens...I have no ideatheone86

Spread their gayness to the women maybe? Convince them that hetero guys are pigs? I dunno, makes no sense to me.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I have nothing against gays. I'll admit I don't feel the most comfortable around two guys making out, but then most people don't like it when a straight couple makes out in public either. There's really no reason why gay couples shouldnt have all the same rights as straight couples. But I'd be careful about hating on the haters, so to speak. The solution to ignorance and hate isn't more ignorance and hate.

mrbojangles25

I agree my a philosophical/ethical/whatever standpoint, but unfortunately I dont see a lot of other options.

fight fire with fire, you know?

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I have nothing against gays. I'll admit I don't feel the most comfortable around two guys making out, but then most people don't like it when a straight couple makes out in public either. There's really no reason why gay couples shouldnt have all the same rights as straight couples. But I'd be careful about hating on the haters, so to speak. The solution to ignorance and hate isn't more ignorance and hate.

mrbojangles25

I agree my a philosophical/ethical/whatever standpoint, but unfortunately I dont see a lot of other options.

fight fire with fire, you know?

Eh, I don't see it as hating, I defer to the logic of (speaking of gays) Foucault. Society defines truth, defines what is good and what is lamentable. Defining prejudice as lamentable is simply changing the discourse of society in order to counteract the discourse which supported the prejudice in the first place.

OK don't get so stuck up about the wording, disgusted is too strong a word for what I was trying to say. If public nudity is focing the issue out in the open, then isn't gays protesting and rallying out in the open and on the news forcing the issue? Isn't two dudes making out in public forcing the issue? As soon as you make it known to the public you're essentially forcing it on others... "we're here, we're queer get used to it" or something like that is their slogan, is it not?F1_2004

OK don't get so stuck up about the wording, disgusted is too strong a word for what I was trying to say. If public nudity is focing the issue out in the open, then isn't gays protesting and rallying out in the open and on the news forcing the issue? Isn't two dudes making out in public forcing the issue? As soon as you make it known to the public you're essentially forcing it on others... "we're here, we're queer get used to it" or something like that is their slogan, is it not?F1_2004

So what are we going to do, ban anything that makes anyone uncomfortable? In that case let's not have women wearing anything suggestive, let's not have people wear shirts with anything that could be offensive, let's not let anyone wear anything that makes reference to religion, let's not allow anyone to show sings of affection to anyone else, you see where I'm going with this? If you see two homosexuals making out just look away, same as most people might to with hetero couples, problem solved. That's what the OP was trying to say, it only really affects you if you want it to affect you.

Is it just me, or are gay marriage threads becoming the new religious threads?D_Battery

Is it just me, or are gay marriage threads becoming the new religious threads?D_Battery

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]OK don't get so stuck up about the wording, disgusted is too strong a word for what I was trying to say. If public nudity is focing the issue out in the open, then isn't gays protesting and rallying out in the open and on the news forcing the issue? Isn't two dudes making out in public forcing the issue? As soon as you make it known to the public you're essentially forcing it on others... "we're here, we're queer get used to it" or something like that is their slogan, is it not?theone86

So what are we going to do, ban anything that makes anyone uncomfortable? In that case let's not have women wearing anything suggestive, let's not have people wear shirts with anything that could be offensive, let's not let anyone wear anything that makes reference to religion, let's not allow anyone to show sings of affection to anyone else, you see where I'm going with this? If you see two homosexuals making out just look away, same as most people might to with hetero couples, problem solved. That's what the OP was trying to say, it only really affects you if you want it to affect you.

We live in a society, with social norms, social pressure and all that.If you're going to start arguing about what people aren't allowed to find unacceptable, you're first going to need a radical change in how we behave as social creatures.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I have nothing against gays. I'll admit I don't feel the most comfortable around two guys making out, but then most people don't like it when a straight couple makes out in public either. There's really no reason why gay couples shouldnt have all the same rights as straight couples. But I'd be careful about hating on the haters, so to speak. The solution to ignorance and hate isn't more ignorance and hate.

I agree my a philosophical/ethical/whatever standpoint, but unfortunately I dont see a lot of other options.

fight fire with fire, you know?

Eh, I don't see it as hating, I defer to the logic of (speaking of gays) Foucault. Society defines truth, defines what is good and what is lamentable. Defining prejudice as lamentable is simply changing the discourse of society in order to counteract the discourse which supported the prejudice in the first place.