Marriage or not, why do people oppose g@ys anyway?

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#51 Tjeremiah1988
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I oppose it because I believe it is wrong, its as simple as that. I dont feel a man and a man or woman and a woman should marry. No i am not ignorant, stupid, or w/e. This is MY OPINION.
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="theone86"]

They fear teh gays will take their womens...wait...that's not right...leaves more womens...I have no idearawsavon

Spread their gayness to the women maybe? Convince them that hetero guys are pigs? I dunno, makes no sense to me.

Women don't need any help figuring out that men (straight or gay are pigs :)

true that...i do a good enough job spreading that message ;)
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#53 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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Because it is an unhealthy way of life...besides the fact that it goes against my religious beliefs..

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] even I am guilty of going "ewww" when I see two gay guys frenchingMushroomWig
The same thing can be said when gay people see two straight people making out, they have every right to show affection to someone they love.

Well, thats a first..
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I oppose it because I believe it is wrong, its as simple as that. I dont feel a man and a man or woman and a woman should marry. No i am not ignorant, stupid, or w/e. This is MY OPINION. Tjeremiah1988
That's one thing to oppose gay marriage, but what about gays themselves? What about them having rights?
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Why did we need a second thread?
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I have nothing against homosexuals, but I am personally opposed to homosexuality because I see it as a flaw, and I don't like the way it has been glorified as something "special". I'm a guy who thinks men should be men and women should be women. When a man isn't attracted to women, and doesn't feel the most natural drive to reproduce, something is wrong. I guess i'm one of those "family values" people your parents warned you about.
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]

I agree my a philosophical/ethical/whatever standpoint, but unfortunately I dont see a lot of other options.

fight fire with fire, you know?

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Eh, I don't see it as hating, I defer to the logic of (speaking of gays) Foucault. Society defines truth, defines what is good and what is lamentable. Defining prejudice as lamentable is simply changing the discourse of society in order to counteract the discourse which supported the prejudice in the first place.

But don't you think it's better to try and understand the reasons behind someone's prejudice than to simply call them ignorant and insult them? I don't know the exact reasons why so many people hate on gays. But if we had a better understanding of that, couldn't we better address it? Certainly I think it is correct to say prejudice is wrong, but I think there are more constructive options than simply labelling anyone with prejudice as a villain.

Well, I think we just have to point out WHY they're wrong, as after all I think that's where the distinction lies, prejudice is based on hegemony and ignorance, or in other words it's arbitrary, whereas what Foucault would call the will to truth appeals to reason. But no, I don't feel sorry for calling them out on it, it's the only way anything's ever going to change. If we don't then it's simply a way of validating their views.

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I have nothing against homosexuals, but I am personally opposed to homosexuality because I see it as a flaw, and I don't like the way it has been glorified as something "special". I'm a guy who thinks men should be men and women should be women. When a man isn't attracted to women, and doesn't feel the most natural drive to reproduce, something is wrong. I guess i'm one of those "family values" people your parents warned you about.fidosim

Slight contradiction there, no?

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Because it is an unhealthy way of life...besides the fact that it goes against my religious beliefs..Xx_Hopeless_xX
you know nothing about their lives and what "it" is doing. When you hear someone is gay all that you know from them is that they are attracted to people of the same sex. Nothing more...
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]OK don't get so stuck up about the wording, disgusted is too strong a word for what I was trying to say. If public nudity is focing the issue out in the open, then isn't gays protesting and rallying out in the open and on the news forcing the issue? Isn't two dudes making out in public forcing the issue? As soon as you make it known to the public you're essentially forcing it on others... "we're here, we're queer get used to it" or something like that is their slogan, is it not?F1_2004

So what are we going to do, ban anything that makes anyone uncomfortable? In that case let's not have women wearing anything suggestive, let's not have people wear shirts with anything that could be offensive, let's not let anyone wear anything that makes reference to religion, let's not allow anyone to show sings of affection to anyone else, you see where I'm going with this? If you see two homosexuals making out just look away, same as most people might to with hetero couples, problem solved. That's what the OP was trying to say, it only really affects you if you want it to affect you.

This is a stupid argument. You listed a bunch of examples, I can list more. Oh, we should allow people to go nude in public! We should allow people to swear and cuss out and be offensive in public! We should allow racist and discriminatory comments in public (or on a T-shirt)! We should allow hardcore pornography on national television!

We live in a society, with social norms, social pressure and all that.If you're going to start arguing about what people aren't allowed to find unacceptable, you're first going to need a radical change in how we behave as social creatures.

Well who decides what is and is not acceptable, and why does homosexuality fall in with what's offensive while heterosexuality falls in with what's accpetable? What good reason is there to seperate the two groups in terms of being accepting?

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I have nothing against gays. I'll admit I don't feel the most comfortable around two guys making out, but then most people don't like it when a straight couple makes out in public either. There's really no reason why gay couples shouldnt have all the same rights as straight couples. But I'd be careful about hating on the haters, so to speak. The solution to ignorance and hate isn't more ignorance and hate.

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I agree with this good sir.
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Because they're ignorant.xaos
You think gays are ignorant? :cry: I oppose gays because I don't need the competition :x

:lol: He was referring to those that are against homosexuality, but I think you knew that.
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I love how ONLY people who are in agreement with freedom of sexuality are posting here, while all the 'opinionated, stern, and confident, gay haters' avoid the conflict. I really wish they'd come in here and post some of their "logic".Deathxcore

Well, maybe it's because there's already a thread EXACTLY like this one? Why don't you go over there if you want to argue with us?

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I have nothing against gays. I'll admit I don't feel the most comfortable around two guys making out, but then most people don't like it when a straight couple makes out in public either. There's really no reason why gay couples shouldnt have all the same rights as straight couples. But I'd be careful about hating on the haters, so to speak. The solution to ignorance and hate isn't more ignorance and hate.

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I agree with this good sir.

See what I mean when I talk about validation?

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Because it is an unhealthy way of life...besides the fact that it goes against my religious beliefs..smc91352
you know nothing about their lives and what "it" is doing. When you hear someone is gay all that you know from them is that they are attracted to people of the same sex. Nothing more...

I don't hate them..and do you just follow me around and debate with me?...Here are some facts:

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Statistics give evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. The Kinsey study cited above revealed that 43% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated that they had had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners

The same Kinsey study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once.Surely this is an indication of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.

Certain common homosexual practices are physically destructive apart from transmission of disease. Anal intercourse, an extremely common practice among homosexual men, can seriously damage internal tissues and can permanently weaken the anal sphincter, causing incontinence and other serious medical problems.

Over 70% of those who have contracted AIDS are homosexual or bi-sexual

In a survey reported in the official publication of the American Public Health Association, 78% of the gay respondents reported that they had been affected by a sexually transmitted disease at least one time.

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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]I oppose it because I believe it is wrong, its as simple as that. I dont feel a man and a man or woman and a woman should marry. No i am not ignorant, stupid, or w/e. This is MY OPINION. sonicare
That's one thing to oppose gay marriage, but what about gays themselves? What about them having rights?

Gays can be gays. I know a couple of gay people, dont really care that they are gay They can have rights, personally I find more important things to discuss besides little Billy not being satisfied along with his boyfriend.
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Part of the problem is that many people believe that gay people chose to be gay That's simply not the case. While they may chose to practice certain things, they did not chose what they found attractive. That's how they were made. Homosexuality is a common occurrence across uncommon cultures. Ina sense, that's how god made them - if you believe in god.

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[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Because it is an unhealthy way of life...besides the fact that it goes against my religious beliefs..Xx_Hopeless_xX
you know nothing about their lives and what "it" is doing. When you hear someone is gay all that you know from them is that they are attracted to people of the same sex. Nothing more...

I don't hate them..and do you just follow me around and debate with me?...Here are some facts:

my point was that you were generalizing and pre-judging. You continue to do so... And no, I just read threads and post when I wanna say something.
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I don't hate them..and do you just follow me around and debate with me?...Here are some facts:

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Statistics give evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. The Kinsey study cited above revealed that 43% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated that they had had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners

The same Kinsey study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once.Surely this is an indication of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.

Certain common homosexual practices are physically destructive apart from transmission of disease. Anal intercourse, an extremely common practice among homosexual men, can seriously damage internal tissues and can permanently weaken the anal sphincter, causing incontinence and other serious medical problems.

Over 70% of those who have contracted AIDS are homosexual or bi-sexual

In a survey reported in the official publication of the American Public Health Association, 78% of the gay respondents reported that they had been affected by a sexually transmitted disease at least one time.

Xx_Hopeless_xX
I'm not denying what you're saying (in fact, I like what you have to say), but don't you think that the suicide rate might be because of the fact that society's ostracization of homosexuality?
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Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Xx_Hopeless_xX
Yeah, I'm sure social disapproval has no bearing on this whatsoever. Yay self-fulfilling prophecies!
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I don't hate them..and do you just follow me around and debate with me?...Here are some facts:

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Statistics give evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. The Kinsey study cited above revealed that 43% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated that they had had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners

The same Kinsey study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once.Surely this is an indication of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.

Certain common homosexual practices are physically destructive apart from transmission of disease. Anal intercourse, an extremely common practice among homosexual men, can seriously damage internal tissues and can permanently weaken the anal sphincter, causing incontinence and other serious medical problems.

Over 70% of those who have contracted AIDS are homosexual or bi-sexual

In a survey reported in the official publication of the American Public Health Association, 78% of the gay respondents reported that they had been affected by a sexually transmitted disease at least one time.

Genetic_Code
I'm not denying what you're saying (in fact, I like what you have to say), but don't you think that the suicide rate might be because of the fact that society's ostracization of homosexuality?

It's obviously because they're unwanted in the eyes of God.
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[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Because it is an unhealthy way of life...besides the fact that it goes against my religious beliefs..Xx_Hopeless_xX

you know nothing about their lives and what "it" is doing. When you hear someone is gay all that you know from them is that they are attracted to people of the same sex. Nothing more...

I don't hate them..and do you just follow me around and debate with me?...Here are some facts:

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Statistics give evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. The Kinsey study cited above revealed that 43% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated that they had had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners

The same Kinsey study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once.Surely this is an indication of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.

Certain common homosexual practices are physically destructive apart from transmission of disease. Anal intercourse, an extremely common practice among homosexual men, can seriously damage internal tissues and can permanently weaken the anal sphincter, causing incontinence and other serious medical problems.

Over 70% of those who have contracted AIDS are homosexual or bi-sexual

In a survey reported in the official publication of the American Public Health Association, 78% of the gay respondents reported that they had been affected by a sexually transmitted disease at least one time.

Have you ever thought about what causes those statistics? Particularly the suicide rate?
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1. Fear

2. Intolerance

3. Social Control, and dominance over a population.

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1. Fear

2. Intolerance

3. Social Control, and dominance over a population.

EMOEVOLUTION
It sounds so much sexier when you put it that way
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[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Because it is an unhealthy way of life...besides the fact that it goes against my religious beliefs..Xx_Hopeless_xX

you know nothing about their lives and what "it" is doing. When you hear someone is gay all that you know from them is that they are attracted to people of the same sex. Nothing more...

I don't hate them..and do you just follow me around and debate with me?...Here are some facts:

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Statistics give evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. The Kinsey study cited above revealed that 43% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated that they had had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners

The same Kinsey study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once.Surely this is an indication of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.

Certain common homosexual practices are physically destructive apart from transmission of disease. Anal intercourse, an extremely common practice among homosexual men, can seriously damage internal tissues and can permanently weaken the anal sphincter, causing incontinence and other serious medical problems.

Over 70% of those who have contracted AIDS are homosexual or bi-sexual

In a survey reported in the official publication of the American Public Health Association, 78% of the gay respondents reported that they had been affected by a sexually transmitted disease at least one time.

There's a lot of correlation there, not much causation. There's no evidence that being homosexual causes them to suicide at a higher rate, single white males suicide at a higher rate then most, but that couldn't possibly tie into homosexual suicide rates could it? Being a Protestant also puts you in the highest rate of suicides, as does being rich, does that make being either of those inherently detremental? Also, do you think that, just a wild guess here, but maybe the fact that society is constantly putting their way of life down might have something to do with high suicide rates? I wonder how many of those suicides came from those church sponsored pray away the gay camps? I also find it highly ironic that you're saying being at a higher risk of suicide statistically is a slam against homosexuality after you just posted a poem about suicide on your blog, hypocritical much?

And how many hetero men and women are alcoholics? It's not a problem that is inherent to homosexuality.

How many partners did the Kinsey study say straight men had on average? It was a lot if I remember correctly. At any rate, what business is it of yours how much sex people are having, how do their sexual habits give you reason to judge them?

The Kinsey study was also done in the 70's. The issue of being removed from partners was one the homosexual community was aware of and concerned about and one that is nowhere near as prevalent now as it was then. And again, what business is it of yours? How about next time you're in a relationship I come by, analyze your behavior, and tell you whether you're, "flawed," or not?

Anal intercourse is practiced by more than just homosexuals, and again what business is it of yours? It's their choice.

Practicing safe sex prevents the spread of disease among any orientation, neither the problem nor the solution are inherent to heterosexuality.

How many heterosexuals have been affected by an STD? It's probably a lot, despite the antibiotics available diseases like ghonerrea and chlamidya are fairly common among all orientations.

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Some people just can't stand the thought of traveling that old dirt road of change. As for myself, I don't oppose or support gays. I respect people who deserve my respect. I'm not comfortable with a gay guy trying to flirt with me, but as long as he doesn't turn all octopus hands I guess I can take it long enough to tell him I'm not interested.
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

xaos

Yeah, I'm sure social disapproval has no bearing on this whatsoever. Yay self-fulfilling prophecies!

You know what's funny..you chose to ignore EVERYTHING else in that post...and Catholics as well as members of other religions are mocked and discriminated against as well...

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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I don't hate them..and do you just follow me around and debate with me?...Here are some facts:

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Statistics give evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. The Kinsey study cited above revealed that 43% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated that they had had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners

The same Kinsey study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once.Surely this is an indication of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.

Certain common homosexual practices are physically destructive apart from transmission of disease. Anal intercourse, an extremely common practice among homosexual men, can seriously damage internal tissues and can permanently weaken the anal sphincter, causing incontinence and other serious medical problems.

Over 70% of those who have contracted AIDS are homosexual or bi-sexual

In a survey reported in the official publication of the American Public Health Association, 78% of the gay respondents reported that they had been affected by a sexually transmitted disease at least one time.

BattleTurtles

I'm not denying what you're saying (in fact, I like what you have to say), but don't you think that the suicide rate might be because of the fact that society's ostracization of homosexuality?

It's obviously because they're unwanted in the eyes of God.

I find it funny how you start mocking peoples faith..

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I think homosexuality is a harmful and repulsive lifestyle to lead.shoryuken_
You conclude on this but homosexuality is not what causes those things. Saying so is prejudiging and hateful.
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] I'm not denying what you're saying (in fact, I like what you have to say), but don't you think that the suicide rate might be because of the fact that society's ostracization of homosexuality?Xx_Hopeless_xX

It's obviously because they're unwanted in the eyes of God.

I find it funny how you start mocking peoples faith..

IF that is funny. Then how does your faith have the authority to tell other people how to define marriage.
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"]you know nothing about their lives and what "it" is doing. When you hear someone is gay all that you know from them is that they are attracted to people of the same sex. Nothing more...theone86

I don't hate them..and do you just follow me around and debate with me?...Here are some facts:

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Statistics give evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. The Kinsey study cited above revealed that 43% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated that they had had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners

The same Kinsey study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once.Surely this is an indication of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.

Certain common homosexual practices are physically destructive apart from transmission of disease. Anal intercourse, an extremely common practice among homosexual men, can seriously damage internal tissues and can permanently weaken the anal sphincter, causing incontinence and other serious medical problems.

Over 70% of those who have contracted AIDS are homosexual or bi-sexual

In a survey reported in the official publication of the American Public Health Association, 78% of the gay respondents reported that they had been affected by a sexually transmitted disease at least one time.

There's a lot of correlation there, not much causation. There's no evidence that being homosexual causes them to suicide at a higher rate, single white males suicide at a higher rate then most, but that couldn't possibly tie into homosexual suicide rates could it? Being a Protestant also puts you in the highest rate of suicides, as does being rich, does that make being either of those inherently detremental? Also, do you think that, just a wild guess here, but maybe the fact that society is constantly putting their way of life down might have something to do with high suicide rates? I wonder how many of those suicides came from those church sponsored pray away the gay camps? I also find it highly ironic that you're saying being at a higher risk of suicide statistically is a slam against homosexuality after you just posted a poem about suicide on your blog, hypocritical much?

And how many hetero men and women are alcoholics? It's not a problem that is inherent to homosexuality.

How many partners did the Kinsey study say straight men had on average? It was a lot if I remember correctly. At any rate, what business is it of yours how much sex people are having, how do their sexual habits give you reason to judge them?

The Kinsey study was also done in the 70's. The issue of being removed from partners was one the homosexual community was aware of and concerned about and one that is nowhere near as prevalent now as it was then. And again, what business is it of yours? How about next time you're in a relationship I come by, analyze your behavior, and tell you whether you're, "flawed," or not?

Anal intercourse is practiced by more than just homosexuals, and again what business is it of yours? It's their choice.

Practicing safe sex prevents the spread of disease among any orientation, neither the problem nor the solution are inherent to heterosexuality.

How many heterosexuals have been affected by an STD? It's probably a lot, despite the antibiotics available diseases like ghonerrea and chlamidya are fairly common among all orientations.

Statistics?..And see my other post on the "social stigma" thing..

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] It's obviously because they're unwanted in the eyes of God.EMOEVOLUTION

I find it funny how you start mocking peoples faith..

IF that is funny. Then how does your faith have the authority to tell other people how to define marriage.

It's not just my faith..statistics show that around 78% of the population in general are opposed to homosexual marriage...

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yeah, I'm sure social disapproval has no bearing on this whatsoever. Yay self-fulfilling prophecies!

You knwo what's funny..you chose to ingore EVERYTHING else in that post...and Catholics as well as members of other religions are mocked and discriminated against as well...

Are you going to pretend to anti-Catholic bias anywhere outside of Ulster is comparable to the abuse heaped on homosexuals? I chose to ignore your HIV transmission data because it was unsourced and certainly is not accurate on a global scale, as sub-Saharan Africa can attest, and likewise, while I consider your information on anal sex to be inaccurate as well as the assumption that it is limited to homosexuals to be incorrect and out of line with my experience, I also think that discussing specific sexual acts here on Gamespot is probably outside the range of topics that the ToU suggests.
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You conclude on this but homosexuality is not what causes those things. Saying so is prejudiging and hateful.smc91352

So what? Blind tolerance is pretty harmful too.

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And so...The argument comes over to this thread. :|

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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I find it funny how you start mocking peoples faith..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

IF that is funny. Then how does your faith have the authority to tell other people how to define marriage.

It's not just my faith..statistics sow that around 78% of the population in general are opposed to homosexual marriage...

SO? That's a more indication of social trends.. than that homosexuality is against nature. I hate to break it to you.. but majority rule.. doesn't always follow logic.
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] Yeah, I'm sure social disapproval has no bearing on this whatsoever. Yay self-fulfilling prophecies!xaos

You knwo what's funny..you chose to ingore EVERYTHING else in that post...and Catholics as well as members of other religions are mocked and discriminated against as well...

Are you going to pretend to anti-Catholic bias anywhere outside of Ulster is comparable to the abuse heaped on homosexuals? I chose to ignore your HIV transmission data because it was unsourced and certainly is not accurate on a global scale, as sub-Saharan Africa can attest, and likewise, while I consider your information on anal sex to be inaccurate as well as the assumption that it is limited to homosexuals to be incorrect and out of line with my experience, I also think that discussing specific sexual acts here on Gamespot is probably outside the range of topics that the ToU suggests.

So..basically you based this on assumptions...?

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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] I'm not denying what you're saying (in fact, I like what you have to say), but don't you think that the suicide rate might be because of the fact that society's ostracization of homosexuality?Xx_Hopeless_xX

It's obviously because they're unwanted in the eyes of God.

I find it funny how you start mocking peoples faith..

I think perhaps he's mocking the fact thatsome peoplethink that just becausethey believe something that makes it universally true.

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Some people just can't stand the thought of traveling that old dirt road of change. As for myself, I don't oppose or support gays. I respect people who deserve my respect. I'm not comfortable with a gay guy trying to flirt with me, but as long as he doesn't turn all octopus hands I guess I can take it long enough to tell him I'm not interested.guynamedbilly
You and think alike on the subject.
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Not allowing marriagei sn't the same as judging them. Judging them could be used as part of the formulation of the law, but it need not be.Vandalvideo
Tis true, but many people against same sex marriage often state same-sex couples are inferior parents that pose a risk to children, they're promiscuous, they aren't following their religion properly, that they're disgusting, and they're not worthy of the same benefits that hetero married couples get. That would be judgement, unless I'm incorrectly using the word. You don't need to judge others and be opposed to gay marriage, but more often than not, people let it leak out.
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] IF that is funny. Then how does your faith have the authority to tell other people how to define marriage. EMOEVOLUTION

It's not just my faith..statistics sow that around 78% of the population in general are opposed to homosexual marriage...

SO? That's a more indication of social trends.. than that homosexuality is against nature. I hate to break it to you.. but majority rule.. doesn't always follow logic.

That's obvious..just look at our president..:P..that's really an assumption to base that on social trends..

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So what? Blind tolerance is pretty harmful too.shoryuken_
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They have a better sense of fashion. And they do that thing with there hands. Of course I enjoy labeling entire groups of people for my amusement.
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Enh, before I get myself worked up enough at people calling my relationship with my partner of 6.5 years disgusting and immoral and destructive blah blah blah that I say something that gets me moderated, I'll exercise the better part of valor.
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I don't hate them..and do you just follow me around and debate with me?...Here are some facts:

Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics

Statistics give evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. The Kinsey study cited above revealed that 43% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated that they had had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners

The same Kinsey study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once.Surely this is an indication of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.

Certain common homosexual practices are physically destructive apart from transmission of disease. Anal intercourse, an extremely common practice among homosexual men, can seriously damage internal tissues and can permanently weaken the anal sphincter, causing incontinence and other serious medical problems.

Over 70% of those who have contracted AIDS are homosexual or bi-sexual

In a survey reported in the official publication of the American Public Health Association, 78% of the gay respondents reported that they had been affected by a sexually transmitted disease at least one time.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

There's a lot of correlation there, not much causation. There's no evidence that being homosexual causes them to suicide at a higher rate, single white males suicide at a higher rate then most, but that couldn't possibly tie into homosexual suicide rates could it? Being a Protestant also puts you in the highest rate of suicides, as does being rich, does that make being either of those inherently detremental? Also, do you think that, just a wild guess here, but maybe the fact that society is constantly putting their way of life down might have something to do with high suicide rates? I wonder how many of those suicides came from those church sponsored pray away the gay camps? I also find it highly ironic that you're saying being at a higher risk of suicide statistically is a slam against homosexuality after you just posted a poem about suicide on your blog, hypocritical much?

And how many hetero men and women are alcoholics? It's not a problem that is inherent to homosexuality.

How many partners did the Kinsey study say straight men had on average? It was a lot if I remember correctly. At any rate, what business is it of yours how much sex people are having, how do their sexual habits give you reason to judge them?

The Kinsey study was also done in the 70's. The issue of being removed from partners was one the homosexual community was aware of and concerned about and one that is nowhere near as prevalent now as it was then. And again, what business is it of yours? How about next time you're in a relationship I come by, analyze your behavior, and tell you whether you're, "flawed," or not?

Anal intercourse is practiced by more than just homosexuals, and again what business is it of yours? It's their choice.

Practicing safe sex prevents the spread of disease among any orientation, neither the problem nor the solution are inherent to heterosexuality.

How many heterosexuals have been affected by an STD? It's probably a lot, despite the antibiotics available diseases like ghonerrea and chlamidya are fairly common among all orientations.

Statistics?..And see my other post on the "social stigma" thing..

What, because there's a stigma put on something I'm automatically supposed to follow that stigma? Sorry, no. And you still haven't explained why it's okay for you to judge people based on their suicidal tendencies, yet it's alright for you to show the same tendencies without fear of the same judgement. According to your logic you're a Catholic and you're suicidal, therefore Catholocism must cause suicide and is inherently bad, do you see how flawed that mentality is when it's turned back on you?

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

There's a lot of correlation there, not much causation. There's no evidence that being homosexual causes them to suicide at a higher rate, single white males suicide at a higher rate then most, but that couldn't possibly tie into homosexual suicide rates could it? Being a Protestant also puts you in the highest rate of suicides, as does being rich, does that make being either of those inherently detremental? Also, do you think that, just a wild guess here, but maybe the fact that society is constantly putting their way of life down might have something to do with high suicide rates? I wonder how many of those suicides came from those church sponsored pray away the gay camps? I also find it highly ironic that you're saying being at a higher risk of suicide statistically is a slam against homosexuality after you just posted a poem about suicide on your blog, hypocritical much?

And how many hetero men and women are alcoholics? It's not a problem that is inherent to homosexuality.

How many partners did the Kinsey study say straight men had on average? It was a lot if I remember correctly. At any rate, what business is it of yours how much sex people are having, how do their sexual habits give you reason to judge them?

The Kinsey study was also done in the 70's. The issue of being removed from partners was one the homosexual community was aware of and concerned about and one that is nowhere near as prevalent now as it was then. And again, what business is it of yours? How about next time you're in a relationship I come by, analyze your behavior, and tell you whether you're, "flawed," or not?

Anal intercourse is practiced by more than just homosexuals, and again what business is it of yours? It's their choice.

Practicing safe sex prevents the spread of disease among any orientation, neither the problem nor the solution are inherent to heterosexuality.

How many heterosexuals have been affected by an STD? It's probably a lot, despite the antibiotics available diseases like ghonerrea and chlamidya are fairly common among all orientations.

theone86

Statistics?..And see my other post on the "social stigma" thing..

What, because there's a stigma put on something I'm automatically supposed to follow that stigma? Sorry, no. And you still haven't explained why it's okay for you to judge people based on their suicidal tendencies, yet it's alright for you to show the same tendencies without fear of the same judgement. According to your logic you're a Catholic and you're suicidal, therefore Catholocism must cause suicide and is inherently bad, do you see how flawed that mentality is when it's turned back on you?

Now your bringing me personally into this...and i don't understand what you mean by "judging people on their suicidal tendencies"..

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[QUOTE="xaos"]Enh, before I get myself worked up enough at people calling my relationship with my partner of 6.5 years disgusting and immoral and destructive blah blah blah that I say something that gets me moderated, I'll exercise the better part of valor.

Jet snails, the better part of valor. :P
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

It's not just my faith..statistics sow that around 78% of the population in general are opposed to homosexual marriage...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

SO? That's a more indication of social trends.. than that homosexuality is against nature. I hate to break it to you.. but majority rule.. doesn't always follow logic.

That's obvious..just look at our president..:P..that's really an assumption to base that on social trends..

Social trends are very important. Anthropology.. sociology.. all attempt to explain human variations and behaviors. The fact remains the united states government was founded on separation of church and state principals. Though, you may have a particular faith structure, your faith should not impose on that of other faiths... Marriage is essentially a concept of civil liberties granted to citizens of a state. IT has very little to do with religion. And more to do with social status, and civil liberties.
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It kinda is, you're saying that legally, for some reason or another one group should not be allowed to have full participation in a society as every other group does, that's judging them.theone86
You don't have to have a reason when it comes to sexuality. There is absolutely NO scrutiny for sexuality as a class.