Marriage or not, why do people oppose g@ys anyway?

Its not manly, yo!

Teenaged

Not at all! I say we go yell obscene things at women. That'd be manly, right?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="magicalclick"] Yupe, losing power over girl is such a pain. magicalclick

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]]Show us how its wrong to defy (not by choice) natural instincts.Teenaged

Care to show us how defying natural instincts is bad?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]You guys are stuck over the definition of acceptable and normal. The former does not entail the latter.magicalclick

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] Again, I accept that people don't choose to be homosexuals. That doesn't mean we have to accept it as "right" or "normal".fidosim

Care to show us how defying natural instincts is bad?

... Why does it matter one way or the other? Its between two consenting adults, it is not harming any one else if its like the regular hetero relationship.. Our Constiutiton afterall was specifically created so the rights of the minority would not be trampled on by the majority..

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] Again, I accept that people don't choose to be homosexuals. That doesn't mean we have to accept it as "right" or "normal".fidosim

Care to show us how defying natural instincts is bad?

So since all you are left with is "I dont approve" then shall we conclude that your opinion is subjetive and that it would be nice if you quit supporting it with pseudo-arguments?

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]That wasnt my point.

Care to show us how defying natural instincts is bad?

sSubZerOo

... Why does it matter one way or the other? Its between two consenting adults, it is not harming any one else if its like the regular hetero relationship.. Our Constiutiton afterall was specifically created so the rights of the minority would not be trampled on by the majority..

It's not always bad, but as far as homosexuality goes, I don't approve. Why the sudden focus on "natural instincts"? I thought homosexuality was completely natural?

fidosim

I'm sorry, your opinion isn't proof. How about you find some and back up your claims?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="magicalclick"] Yupe tell me about it. Man now adays has to please girls to have sex. How unmanly. magicalclick

[spoiler] Stating that I am being sarcastic just in case...... [/spoiler]

I'm sorry, your opinion isn't proof. How about you find some and back up your claims?Dark_Knight6

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I'm sorry, your opinion isn't proof. How about you find some and back up your claims?fidosim

It's a deffect in the human mind. And they can't have kids. Marriage was made so christians can have kids. Not feminine men go up each other. Not to offend anyone of course.

dunl12496

Homosexuals can have as many kids as they damn well please. They're not sterile. Marriage was around far before Christianity. And even then, the United States is secular. Marriage offers state given rights, and no church has a say in that. Finally, if your intention is not to offend, then avoid stereotypes.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]That wasnt my point.

Care to show us how defying natural instincts is bad?

Teenaged

So since all you are left with is "I dont approve" then shall we conclude that your opinion is subjetive and that it would be nice if you quit supporting it with pseudo-arguments?

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I'm sorry, your opinion isn't proof. How about you find some and back up your claims?Teenaged

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I'm sorry, your opinion isn't proof. How about you find some and back up your claims?fidosim

Okay. And how, exactly, does homosexuality cause that?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] It's not always bad, but as far as homosexuality goes, I don't approve. Why the sudden focus on "natural instincts"? I thought homosexuality was completely natural?fidosim

So since all you are left with is "I dont approve" then shall we conclude that your opinion is subjetive and that it would be nice if you quit supporting it with pseudo-arguments?

Examples of cultural glorification?

So now the incopetent and immature people from around the world will have the homosexuals to blame for their incompetelncy and immaturity?

The way you conveniently connect one thing to another as if they are causing each other is ridiculous. The same way facts are connected in conspiracy theories. Arbitrarily and conveniently.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] Proof that men aren't being men anymore? The number of single-parent homes in our country and the negative statistics surrounding this fact are alone "proof" enough for me.fidosim

In a society in which both women and men can be soldiers, I find your opinion painfully ignorant and outdated.. Perhapes you should have lived in the 1950s.. I find it quite insulting too when we have gays who are serving in the military.. We do not live in the 1950's any more, gender roles are no where the same they were back then.. Women can be just as aggressive if not more aggressive as men, they can be just as competitive.. There is no such thing as manliness any more.. And from my experience, the guys who act most "manly" are often times the biggest idiots and most insecure people out there.

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] Proof that men aren't being men anymore? The number of single-parent homes in our country and the negative statistics surrounding this fact are alone "proof" enough for me.fidosim

Just because your standard of manliness is being brought down because people just dont want to live by it doesnt mean that effeminincy or homosexuality is being promoted.

Either your manliness or effeminincy is a false dichotomy you know.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I was going by your words. You defined homosexuality as something that goes against the natural instinct of reproduction.

So since all you are left with is "I dont approve" then shall we conclude that your opinion is subjetive and that it would be nice if you quit supporting it with pseudo-arguments?

Teenaged

Examples of cultural glorification?

So now the incopetent and immature people from around the world will have the homosexuals to blame for their incompetelncy and immaturity?

The way you conveniently connect one thing to another as if they are causing each other is ridiculous. The same way facts are connected in conspiracy theories.

I like how he says that homosexuality implies feminitiy. I don't know about you, Teenaged, but I'm starting to think we're doing this whole gay thing wrong. What with us acting like normal men and what have you.

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] I've given you plenty of personal arguments. Homosexuality, in my opinion, is not something that should be accepted as normal. Some folks are born gay but that doesn't mean we have to accept it as mainstream. The cultural glorification of homosexuality, and that of effeminacy in general, are discouraging men and women from living up to their responsible roles. As a result, the family, as the basic building block of society, is being broken down and rearranged in a destructive manner.Dark_Knight6

Examples of cultural glorification?

So now the incopetent and immature people from around the world will have the homosexuals to blame for their incompetelncy and immaturity?

The way you conveniently connect one thing to another as if they are causing each other is ridiculous. The same way facts are connected in conspiracy theories.

I like how he says that homosexuality implies feminitiy. I don't know about you, Teenaged, but I'm starting to think we're doing this whole gay thing wrong. What with us acting like normal men and what have you.

But I guess, there are always let downs...

Well you see, one would think that some people are enough educated to not assume that the stereotypes promoted by the media represent the whole or even the majority....

But I guess, there will be let downs...

Teenaged

True. I'm gonna go drink some wine and watch Sex in the City. You want to come along?

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]"Personal arguments"? Sorry but those dont hold water.

Examples of cultural glorification?

So now the incopetent and immature people from around the world will have the homosexuals to blame for their incompetelncy and immaturity?

The way you conveniently connect one thing to another as if they are causing each other is ridiculous. The same way facts are connected in conspiracy theories.

Teenaged

I like how he says that homosexuality implies feminitiy. I don't know about you, Teenaged, but I'm starting to think we're doing this whole gay thing wrong. What with us acting like normal men and what have you.

But I guess, there are always let downs...

Just as long as your drinking a mohito, I will allow it. :P

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Well you see, one would think that some people are enough educated to not assume that the stereotypes promoted by the media represent the whole or even the majority....

But I guess, there will be let downs...

Dark_Knight6

True. I'm gonna go drink some wine and watch Sex in the City. You want to come along?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

I like how he says that homosexuality implies feminitiy. I don't know about you, Teenaged, but I'm starting to think we're doing this whole gay thing wrong. What with us acting like normal men and what have you.

sSubZerOo

But I guess, there are always let downs...

Just as long as your drinking a mohito, I will allow it. :P

Is it sweet?

Ok but I'll drink something else in stead. Wine makes me feel more manly than my homosexuality allows me to be. =D

Teenaged

Really? I thought wine was a gay drink. :o Christ, I suck at this.

"Personal arguments"? Sorry but those dont hold water.Examples of cultural glorification?So now the incopetent and immature people from around the world will have the homosexuals to blame for their incompetelncy and immaturityThe way you conveniently connect one thing to another as if they are causing each other is ridiculous. The same way facts are connected in conspiracy theories. Arbitrarily and conveniently.Teenaged

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Well you see, one would think that some people are enough educated to not assume that the stereotypes promoted by the media represent the whole or even the majority....

But I guess, there will be let downs...

Teenaged

True. I'm gonna go drink some wine and watch Sex in the City. You want to come along?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_R6YpLpV90

I like how he says that homosexuality implies feminitiy. I don't know about you, Teenaged, but I'm starting to think we're doing this whole gay thing wrong. What with us acting like normal men and what have you.Dark_Knight6

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]"Personal arguments"? Sorry but those dont hold water.Examples of cultural glorification?So now the incopetent and immature people from around the world will have the homosexuals to blame for their incompetelncy and immaturityThe way you conveniently connect one thing to another as if they are causing each other is ridiculous. The same way facts are connected in conspiracy theories. Arbitrarily and conveniently.fidosim

So say " I don't believe gays should marry, imo" the end.. This a debate anything more outside that is pointless because your personal beliefs.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I like how he says that homosexuality implies feminitiy. I don't know about you, Teenaged, but I'm starting to think we're doing this whole gay thing wrong. What with us acting like normal men and what have you.fidosim

Seeing as we don't live in the 1950s and women arn't just baby factories and house wives.. But are in just about every field, including being a soldier in the military.... What exactly is feminity?

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I like how he says that homosexuality implies feminitiy. I don't know about you, Teenaged, but I'm starting to think we're doing this whole gay thing wrong. What with us acting like normal men and what have you.fidosim

My brain has some similarities with that of a woman. That doesn't mean I act like one. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well you see, one would think that some people are enough educated to not assume that the stereotypes promoted by the media represent the whole or even the majority....

But I guess, there are always let downs...

Teenaged

Just as long as your drinking a mohito, I will allow it. :P

Is it sweet?

I misspelled it.. Its a Mojito.. Its a family guy joke where Brian is being interviewed and he says "Yeah the bartender even knew how to make a mojito".. He drinks the thing down for a few seconds.. and says "Well I don't think its a gay drink".

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I like how he says that homosexuality implies feminitiy. I don't know about you, Teenaged, but I'm starting to think we're doing this whole gay thing wrong. What with us acting like normal men and what have you.sSubZerOo

Seeing as we don't live in the 1950s and women arn't just baby factories and house wives.. But are in just about every field, including being a soldier in the military.... What exactly is feminity?

This is why we shouldn't bring politics and religion into the OT people!

This is almost as bad as system wars - almost. :evil:

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]I like how he says that homosexuality implies feminitiy. I don't know about you, Teenaged, but I'm starting to think we're doing this whole gay thing wrong. What with us acting like normal men and what have you.Dark_Knight6

My brain has some similarities with that of a woman. That doesn't mean I act like one. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]"Personal arguments"? Sorry but those dont hold water.Examples of cultural glorification?So now the incopetent and immature people from around the world will have the homosexuals to blame for their incompetelncy and immaturityThe way you conveniently connect one thing to another as if they are causing each other is ridiculous. The same way facts are connected in conspiracy theories. Arbitrarily and conveniently.fidosim

You should know better thanbasing your judgmenet on the media and pop culture; something which you obviously do.

Well if sarcasm is immaturity then what can I say, I guess I am immature.... Unless you cant detect sarcasm....

You dont have to accuse gays for all the ills of the world for your post to sound absurd.

That one ill you accuse homosexuals for is enough for that.

Whatever happened to live and let live?

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] Stereotypes aside, I cited the link that GabuEx provided, which does suggest feminity.fidosim

My brain has some similarities with that of a woman. That doesn't mean I act like one. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] Stereotypes aside, I cited the link that GabuEx provided, which does suggest feminity.fidosim

Seeing as we don't live in the 1950s and women arn't just baby factories and house wives.. But are in just about every field, including being a soldier in the military.... What exactly is feminity?

... There are plenty of straight men who fail that.. Furthermore are you suggesting that being feminie basically means your irresponsible, lazy, and always a dependent.. Because it seems like thats EXACTLY what your saying. Being those things has nothing to do with gender roles.. None of those roles have nothing to do with "manliness"

Because i need to put my P in a V.

Because i need to put my P in a V.

yooser931

[QUOTE="yooser931"]

Because i need to put my P in a V.

Teenaged

I had to check my closet after I read this post.

No, but the glorification of stereotypical gays does not exactly encourage male responsibility.fidosim

Don't watch Will & Grace? Really, I must be missing this glorification.