Marriage or not, why do people oppose g@ys anyway?

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] Look, homosexuality can't be changed, and I don't approve of "disowning" people because of the way they were born. My quarrel is with the way some have tried to put it on a pedestal for all men, including heterosexuals, to follow.fidosim

Who's doing that? The only recent promotion of homosexuality I remember is Milk, where the title character has a beard at one point.

Keep connecting the facts, man, and in the end please give us a full chart of the conspiracy theory and who is behind it. Heads will fall, I assure you! :x

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[QUOTE="fidosim"] I don't like boy bands, either.fidosim

If anything the male rolemodel.. IS the swab sophiscated type like Eric Bana, Christian Bale, and Daniel Craig.. Men who can easilly pass off as gay and act the same way... We do not have the tobacco chewing moron that takes lip from no one as a role model any more when it comes to image.

Allow me to dismiss views stemming from such mindsets as they are completely unfounded and non-sensical.

My old boss was gay he was a really nice guy, and I didn't even know he was gay until I met his boyfriend... I will admit to some form of "stereotypical expectations" with most gay people because most of the gay people I have met were very, very gay My old boss and I used to sit around and talk football, and he was a Republican... serves me right I suppose.

Homosexuality is a form ofgenetic birth control, allowing people to be born who have no desire to pass on their genetic structure andwho are biologically attracted to the same sex,and thus not a choice nor a sin. They are born that way, and should have all the rights, privleges and respect anyone who is born a certain way deserves.

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Because i need to put my P in a V.

Teenaged

Hahaha, Teenaged, you're so awesome!!

Its not farfetched. Its absurd.And now you link hyperactivity to homosexuality?!?! Oh my! This keeps getting better and better..... Do go on....Teenaged

Um no, women are equal to men, not the same. I am sure those who might have said "the same" meant "equal". Unless you have a problem with that notion too in which case... I dont know what to say.Keep connecting the facts, man, and in the end please give us a full chart of the conspiracy theory and who is behind it. Heads will fall, I assure you! Teenaged

Its becoming more and more apparent that your views stem from pure nostalgia that you feel and your posts could be summed up with the phrase "I want things back to the way they used to be". These are the "words" of every generation when they are leaving their youth and the words of every person who cant cope with changes, bad or good changes.Allow me to dismiss views stemming from such mindsets as they are completely unfounded and non-sensical.Teenaged

I don't see why homosexuality is even an issue.

Regardless of marriage, some people seem to have this completely misguided stigma against homosexuals, as if their lives are being altered because of it.

For the religiously opposed:

Only God can judge others, and you are committing an equally offensive sin by judging them yourselves. The Bible states that God sees ALL sins as equal and you are no better than the ones you preach against. Judging and condemning people to Hell is just as offensive, in God's eyes, as killing a man. So maybe you should read a little bit into your own book.

For the others opposed:

Why?

It has no effect on your lives. Why does it matter?

Do you have a REAL reason why you're offended, other than the fact that most people seem to be against it, so you might as well just 'go with the flow' to avoid ridicule?

I'm really confused as to why people get so crazy about things that make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE to them. Maybe you should get a hobby rather than complain about people loving each other that you don't like.

Deathxcore

I didn't link it to homosexuality...I linked it to the growing stigma against "boys being boys".fidosim

A stigma which you have connected to homosexuality.... >___> So in effect you have linked hyperactivity to homosexuality. Yes it sounds absurd but thats what happens when you are making absurd claims: you cant predict the ridiculous implications of your views.

It's not a conspiracy theory friend, it's a cultural trend.

fidosim

In this case, going back to the way things used to be wouldn't be all that bad of an idea, in a cultural sense. In a political sense, i'd actually be considered more "progressive" on this issue than that fascist theocrat, Barack Obama! I think the way that sexuality, let alone homosexuality, has completely dominated popular culture is a perversion. Why should we try to cope with bad changes? We should try to correct them instead. It's neither unfounded nor non-sensical. Some of the facts of our generation speak for themselves. You can dismiss me as a loony all that you'd like, although something tells me that if you really thought that I didn't make any sense, you wouldn't have spent hours yesterday arguing with me, then gotten up this morning and argued against me some more. fidosim

Again changes that you see as being bad, especially under the scope and bias that you choose to view them, which leads to you having a distorted perception of the matter. A distortion which is largely evident by the amazing one-liners you pulled yesterday.

It is unfounded and non-sensical since like I said it is all stemming from you getting ticked off by seeing things around you not being in harmony with your rigid beliefs. Have you ever thought of criticising your own beliefs?

I never thought you're a loony (even if it crossed my mind, I never thought that you are one, literally).

Besides it is known that I have the bad habit to debate even when its virtually futile.

Also when I have claimed that your words make no sense, I dont mean that I cant understand what you are saying, but that they dont logically follow.

I love how ONLY people who are in agreement with freedom of sexuality are posting here, while all the 'opinionated, stern, and confident, gay haters' avoid the conflict. I really wish they'd come in here and post some of their "logic".Deathxcore

A stigma which you have connected to homosexuality.... >___> So in effect you have linked hyperactivity to homosexuality. Yes it sounds absurd but thats what happens when you are making absurd claims: you cant predict the ridiculous implications of your views.Teenaged

A cultural trend can get many labels. You choose the label "degradation of manliness" (or anything similar). Still your label is void of substanciation and in stead is full of alarmism and conservatism just for the sake of conservatism.Teenaged

In your opinion perhaps. Returning to past practices simply out of comfort and intransigence is a flat-out dissaprovable tactic.Again changes that you see as being bad, especially under the scope and bias that you choose to view them, which leads to you having a distorted perception of the matter. A distortion which is largely evident by the amazing one-liners you pulled yesterday.It is unfounded and non-sensical since like I said it is all stemming from you getting ticked off by seeing things around you not being in harmony with your rigid beliefs. Have you ever thought of criticising your own beliefs?I never thought you're a loony (even if it crossed my mind, I never thought that you are one, literally).Besides it is known that I have the bad habit to debate even when its virtually futile.Teenaged

if you hump "any" hole for a certain amount of time you're bound to get the same result._Ben99_

[QUOTE="_Ben99_"]if you hump "any" hole for a certain amount of time you're bound to get the same result.super_mario_128

[QUOTE="_Ben99_"]if you hump "any" hole for a certain amount of time you're bound to get the same result.super_mario_128

I don't wanna know. •_•

None of this has been about homosexuality itself. It's simply been about the way we as a society have responded to homosexuality.

fidosim

I think it's plenty substantiated. Open homosexuals account for a tiny portion of the population, yet they have been a huge part of popular culture in recent years. Some boys are wearing girl jeans. Girls are doing much better than boys in school. Boys are prescribed medicine for hyperactivity at a disproportionately high rate to girls. I think we need a bit of "alarmism" looking at all of these trends together.

fidosim

In a nutshell, i'm being close-minded? I'm fine with that, because I think open-mindedness, as some understand it, has gone a little too far. People are becoming apathetic, and that leaves a healthy society vulnerable.fidosim

Which you know, is the option that weighs pros and cons of both sides. Just saying....

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="_Ben99_"]if you hump "any" hole for a certain amount of time you're bound to get the same result._Ben99_

Uh, what? :lol:

[QUOTE="_Ben99_"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"] What the heck are you talking about? ಠ_ಠ Theokhoth

Uh, what? :lol:

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[QUOTE="_Ben99_"] sex is the same experience regardless of the pleasure degree _Ben99_

Uh, what? :lol:

No it isn't. Try it some day while imagining you're with a man.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="_Ben99_"] sex is the same experience regardless of the pleasure degree _Ben99_

Uh, what? :lol:

[QUOTE="_Ben99_"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Uh, what? :lol:

Teenaged

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[QUOTE="_Ben99_"] you know .. it's the same result after all :)Theokhoth

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Teenaged!

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]The orgasm? :P

Teenaged

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Teenaged!

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Teenaged!

Bourbons3

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I am sorry I couldnt resist posting that. This topic has become so silly and hilarious that I just couldnt. :P

Teenaged

You know. . . first it's o. . . .then afterwards it's O. . .

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"] I think we may have jumped the shark when we started talking about big O's :lol:Theokhoth

You know. . . first it's o. . . .then afterwards it's O. . .

Oh god this getting more and more absurd as it goes.
So in essence, homosexuality is to blame for:
a) Boys wearing girly jeans (which is just terrible since it PROVES (!!!!) that they are a failure of a man)
b) girls doing better than boys at school. Haha this one is actually the result of certain perceptions of what manliness is. Most boys who are rebellious and dont care for school do so in order to appear manly. I have seen it first hand.
c) Hyperactivity in boys. And you again link hyperactivity to homosexuality (or the failure of "manliness"). If to homosexuality then its absurd, if to the second then its.... 1000x more absurd? What does hyperactivity got to do with manliness? 0_oSorry to break it to you but the above has no hint of substanciation. Its mere claims and facts being connected arbitrarily. Perhaps you should look up the word "substanciation".Teenaged

You don't understand. I'm not blaming homosexuality for any of those things. I've said it multiple times now, homosexuality is not the problem. The mainstream acceptance of it, however, is, and it is part of a cultural movement that I am opposed to.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Big O's? D:

Teenaged

You know. . . first it's o. . . .then afterwards it's O. . .

I wish I were as innocent as you. :(

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Oh god this getting more and more absurd as it goes.
So in essence, homosexuality is to blame for:
a) Boys wearing girly jeans (which is just terrible since it PROVES (!!!!) that they are a failure of a man)
b) girls doing better than boys at school. Haha this one is actually the result of certain perceptions of what manliness is. Most boys who are rebellious and dont care for school do so in order to appear manly. I have seen it first hand.
c) Hyperactivity in boys. And you again link hyperactivity to homosexuality (or the failure of "manliness"). If to homosexuality then its absurd, if to the second then its.... 1000x more absurd? What does hyperactivity got to do with manliness? 0_oSorry to break it to you but the above has no hint of substanciation. Its mere claims and facts being connected arbitrarily. Perhaps you should look up the word "substanciation".fidosim

You don't understand. I'm not blaming homosexuality for any of those things. I've said it multiple times now, homosexuality is not the problem. The mainstream acceptance of it, however, is, and it is part of a cultural movement that I am opposed to.

If I for instance blame the high sales of violent videogames for the existence of violence, I am blaming videogames themselves.

You can word your position as diplomatically as you wish. The essence remains the same.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

You know. . . first it's o. . . .then afterwards it's O. . .

Theokhoth

I wish I were as innocent as you. :(

I need more hints. =(

]In effect you are blaming homosexuality. If I for instance blame the high sales of violent videogames for the existence of violence, I am blaming videogames themselves. You can word your position as diplomatically as you wish. The essence remains the same.Teenaged

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Like.... -----> :o => :O ?

Teenaged

I wish I were as innocent as you. :(

I need more hints. =(

I just sent you a fairly big hint. >.>

Also fidosim, even in the scnario where your position doesnt blame homosexuality and only its acceptance (I dont know how that follows but lets assume), it is still absurd.

As another analogy, its like blaming the media for violence and for the supposed decay of our morals. Anyone can conveniently blame everything for their own mistakes.

A man who is incopetent and an idiot will choose to blame gays or the gay culture", a parent will blame the videogames for its child's bad deeds and the list goes on.

All the above people can pose causation between virtually ANYTHING remotely related to their case and the thing they want to blame. First they'll have to prove the causation. Thats what constitutes substanciation.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]]In effect you are blaming homosexuality. If I for instance blame the high sales of violent videogames for the existence of violence, I am blaming videogames themselves. You can word your position as diplomatically as you wish. The essence remains the same.fidosim

The equality of men and women, one could say, causes some women to be abrasive to men. Does that mean the whole movement is wrong just because of one side-effect it has had?

But wait, you already do probably believe that the cause is wrong.... >__>

The side-effects in reality though are not caused by those phenomena (acceptance of homosexuality, fight for equality between men and women etc), but they use those phenomena as "excuses".

It mostly has to do with the fact that many men get married simply for the benefits, a scam.Plus you have to consider all of the irresponsible scenarios that could unfold. Use your brain, think about it.

It mostly has to do with the fact that many men get married simply for the benefits, a scam.Plus you have to consider all of the irresponsible scenarios that could unfold. Use your brain, think about it.

MagnumPI

Can a man and a woman not get married simply for the benefits? And what "irresponsible scenarios" would unfold?

I just sent you a fairly big hint. >.>Theokhoth

It mostly has to do with the fact that many men get married simply for the benefits, a scam.Plus you have to consider all of the irresponsible scenarios that could unfold. Use your brain, think about it.

MagnumPI

Straight people would never do such a thing!

[QUOTE="Deathxcore"]I love how ONLY people who are in agreement with freedom of sexuality are posting here, while all the 'opinionated, stern, and confident, gay haters' avoid the conflict. I really wish they'd come in here and post some of their "logic"._Ben99_

Because gay marriage is more important than terrorism abroad, the economy, government control, and even the environment.

Because gay marriage is more important than terrorism abroad, the economy, government control, and even the environment.

leviathan91

Because gay marriage is more important than terrorism abroad, the economy, government control, and even the environment.

leviathan91

We can only focus on one of those at a time, obviously.

According to a Muslim acquaintance of mine, "GAYS DON'T BELONG ON THE PLANET!!!" because the Qu'ran says so. Doesn't matter if they are good people or not, "GAYS DON'T BELONG ON THE PLANET!!!"

According to a Muslim acquaintance of mine, "GAYS DON'T BELONG ON THE PLANET!!!" because the Qu'ran says so. Doesn't matter if they are good people or not, "GAYS DON'T BELONG ON THE PLANET!!!"

Hexagon_777

Because gay marriage is more important than terrorism abroad, the economy, government control, and even the environment.

leviathan91

It mostly has to do with the fact that many men get married simply for the benefits, a scam.Plus you have to consider all of the irresponsible scenarios that could unfold. Use your brain, think about it.

MagnumPI