McCain picks Sarah Palin as his Vice

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="duxup"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="duxup"]McCain is 73 years old. If something happened to him (health or otherwise) we'd get someone who was Governor of Alaska for two years...Eltroz

I'd go with the dude with more experience, the Senator in this case.

Yes a lawmaker, in Washington, where the president works, where you get national security briefings, and such. Not a small population state.

Absolutely you can. Obama works in the environment he is planning to work in, Washington. Dealing with similar issues. The Governor of Alaska is nothing like the Presidency. I would take a Senator's experience any day.

look at her resume. then look at the resume's of all the other people that were on the short list. she is a gender pick. She's young, is an unknown with NO foreign policy experience. this is coming from a guy that said foregin policy issues are the greatest issue of our day.Dreams-Visions

I don't know what I'm worried about more, McCain's trigger happy foreign policy or his VP's lack of foreign policy.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

. . . .Do you even have any support for the claim that she was only considered for her gender?

Dreams-Visions

look at her resume. then look at the resume's of all the other people that were on the short list. she is a gender pick. She's young, is an unknown with NO foreign policy experience. this is coming from a guy that said foregin policy issues are the greatest issue of our day.

Again, if you can't handle the reality of the moment, I don't know what to tell you.

Her foreign policy experience has been dealt with in this very topic. . .

you're trying hard to not acknowledge the issue. other conservative here...

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

honestly mccain is an idiot.

he should have picked Mitt Romney. At least then it would have been somewhat worth voting for him.

Im definitely decided on Bob Barr.

this angers me.

bungie93

That is exactly what I am thinking.

...like these 2 guys GET IT.

Oh my, the sexist "gets it." :roll: He also "gets" that "women are the cause of all America's problems today."

It has been dealt with. You seem to think Alaska is somehow isolated from the rest of the world.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

hai guys!

can't wait until this picture makes its rounds.

Dreams-Visions

the McCain team will scream Photoshopz.

Pretty much the only reason I need to vote for McCain is right here!

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Gen_Warbuff

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

. . . .Do you even have any support for the claim that she was only considered for her gender?

Theokhoth

look at her resume. then look at the resume's of all the other people that were on the short list. she is a gender pick. She's young, is an unknown with NO foreign policy experience. this is coming from a guy that said foregin policy issues are the greatest issue of our day.

Again, if you can't handle the reality of the moment, I don't know what to tell you.

Her foreign policy experience has been dealt with in this very topic. . .

you're trying hard to not acknowledge the issue. other conservative here...

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

honestly mccain is an idiot.

he should have picked Mitt Romney. At least then it would have been somewhat worth voting for him.

Im definitely decided on Bob Barr.

this angers me.

bungie93

That is exactly what I am thinking.

...like these 2 guys GET IT.

Oh my, the sexist "gets it." :roll: He also "gets" that "women are the cause of all America's problems today."

It has been dealt with. You seem to think Alaska is somehow isolated from the rest of the world.

HE CHOSE HER BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. THIS IS WHAT GENDER POLITICS LOOKS LIKE.

And her resume--in the face of so many much more qualified candidates--proves it. His campaign new they needed a change or they would be hard-pressed to win. And so they've gone the gender route.

Enjoy the flavor of your hypocracy.

Seems like he's grasping for straws to get as much of Hilarys supporters as possible. I don't think I've ever heard of her before this.Guiltfeeder566

Terrible idea. Most of the Hillary supporters have cooled down by now. People were saying the same thing about disillusioned republicans voting for Kerry in 2004. Look how that worked out.

Seems like he's grasping for straws to get as much of Hilarys supporters as possible. I don't think I've ever heard of her before this.Guiltfeeder566

the question is whether or not Democratic-leaning women will now vote their gender instead of their issues.

We'll see plenty about who America is this year.

[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]Seems like he's grasping for straws to get as much of Hilarys supporters as possible. I don't think I've ever heard of her before this.Sajo7

Terrible idea. Most of the Hillary supporters have cooled down by now. People were saying the same thing about disillusioned republicans voting for Kerry in 2004. Look how that worked out.

Not these crazies

:lol:

I love how you're trying to shift the premise of the discussion because you know you don't have a damn leg to stand on.

HE CHOSE HER BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. THIS IS WHAT GENDER POLITICS LOOKS LIKE.

And her resume--in the face of so many much more qualified candidates--proves it. His campaign new they needed a change or they would be hard-pressed to win. And so they've gone the gender route.

Enjoy the flavor of your hypocracy.

Dreams-Visions

Um, you brought up her foreign policy experience, not me. :lol:

I'd rather enjoy reason instead of blind speculation.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]Seems like he's grasping for straws to get as much of Hilarys supporters as possible. I don't think I've ever heard of her before this.Dreams-Visions

Terrible idea. Most of the Hillary supporters have cooled down by now. People were saying the same thing about disillusioned republicans voting for Kerry in 2004. Look how that worked out.

Not these crazies

:lol:

Thats the internet for ya. :P

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

I love how you're trying to shift the premise of the discussion because you know you don't have a damn leg to stand on.

HE CHOSE HER BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. THIS IS WHAT GENDER POLITICS LOOKS LIKE.

And her resume--in the face of so many much more qualified candidates--proves it. His campaign new they needed a change or they would be hard-pressed to win. And so they've gone the gender route.

Enjoy the flavor of your hypocracy.

Theokhoth

Um, you brought up her foreign policy experience, not me. :lol:

I'd rather enjoy reason instead of blind speculation.

funny that you say that.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]Seems like he's grasping for straws to get as much of Hilarys supporters as possible. I don't think I've ever heard of her before this.Dreams-Visions

Terrible idea. Most of the Hillary supporters have cooled down by now. People were saying the same thing about disillusioned republicans voting for Kerry in 2004. Look how that worked out.

Not these crazies

:lol:

"If the Democrats can be bought back to life after they are destroyed in NOvember and in 2010 they will have to nominate a women to run against Palin in 2012. Hillary. Yes, Hillary. Palin will help win women around the country. Palin will help with women in the Philadelphia suburbs. Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania will likely go with NRA member and hunter Palin. The Republican Party is now 100% unified and not in a fake way."

That sounds like it was written by a fanatical 6th grader.

"If the Democrats can be bought back to life after they are destroyed in NOvember and in 2010 they will have to nominate a women to run against Palin in 2012. Hillary. Yes, Hillary. Palin will help win women around the country. Palin will help with women in the Philadelphia suburbs. Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania will likely go with NRA member and hunter Palin. The Republican Party is now 100% unified and not in a fake way."

That sounds like it was written by a fanatical 6th grader.

Guiltfeeder566

It takes that kind of mind to make a website like that.

My sister says that McCain actually has no problem with abortion.

Quote: He used to be the guy that said "I don't like abortion but I'm not going to take that right away." Now he just says he doesn't like it because he wants the conservative vote

So what do you guys think?

My sister says that McCain actually has no problem with abortion.

Quote: He used to be the guy that said "I don't like abortion but I'm not going to take that right away." Now he just says he doesn't like it because he wants the conservative vote

So what do you guys think?

helium_flash

I think even if McCain is secretely pro-choice, his position is infinitely better than Obama's.

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]

My sister says that McCain actually has no problem with abortion.

Quote: He used to be the guy that said "I don't like abortion but I'm not going to take that right away." Now he just says he doesn't like it because he wants the conservative vote

So what do you guys think?

Theokhoth

I think even if McCain is secretely pro-choice, his position is infinitely better than Obama's.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Sajo7"]

[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]Seems like he's grasping for straws to get as much of Hilarys supporters as possible. I don't think I've ever heard of her before this.Guiltfeeder566

Terrible idea. Most of the Hillary supporters have cooled down by now. People were saying the same thing about disillusioned republicans voting for Kerry in 2004. Look how that worked out.

Not these crazies

:lol:

"If the Democrats can be bought back to life after they are destroyed in NOvember and in 2010 they will have to nominate a women to run against Palin in 2012. Hillary. Yes, Hillary. Palin will help win women around the country. Palin will help with women in the Philadelphia suburbs. Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania will likely go with NRA member and hunter Palin. The Republican Party is now 100% unified and not in a fake way."

That sounds like it was written by a fanatical 6th grader.

Palin is a great choice. To be honest, I didn't know much about her before she could have possibly been the running mate, but after reading up on her and listening to her speech today, she is a fantastic choice. I didn't even know hardly anything about Obama either before he was in the running for president. The_Mac_Daddy

I dont like her ties to Oil...Tjeremiah1988

I dont like her ties to Oil...Tjeremiah1988

you mean you're not feeling her hubby working for Big Oil?

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Palin is a great choice. To be honest, I didn't know much about her before she could have possibly been the running mate, but after reading up on her and listening to her speech today, she is a fantastic choice. I didn't even know hardly anything about Obama either before he was in the running for president. Unforgiven2870

I dont like her ties to Oil...Tjeremiah1988

You mean her independence from big oil companies?

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

I love how you're trying to shift the premise of the discussion because you know you don't have a damn leg to stand on.

HE CHOSE HER BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. THIS IS WHAT GENDER POLITICS LOOKS LIKE.

And her resume--in the face of so many much more qualified candidates--proves it. His campaign new they needed a change or they would be hard-pressed to win. And so they've gone the gender route.

Enjoy the flavor of your hypocracy.

Theokhoth

Um, you brought up her foreign policy experience, not me. :lol:

I'd rather enjoy reason instead of blind speculation.

Reason: there are plenty of other candidates of a similar age with similar credentials that are better qualified.

While Biden's traits complement certain Obama weaknesses, he's different enough that he isn't that susceptible to attacks that Obama has directed at McCain. Palin, on the other hand, is practically the picture of inexperience, and McCain has rested on that argument to say that Obama is unfit to lead.

Quibbling over exact amounts of years and the importance of different types of experience aside, Palin isn't the most qualified candidate out there. If McCain puts her as his VP candidate, as the person who will take over for him should he be unable to serve (a not-unlikely possibility), how can he reconcile that choice with his attacks on Obama's inexperience? It's an enormous difficulty that his campaign will have to surmount.

The only big upside from this choice for McCain, besides her conservative record (which could have been found in a number of other, more experienced candidates) is that she is a woman, and that could exploit rifts among the Democrats created by Hillary's primary run. It's the strongest reason to choose her over her competitors.

Does that reasoning make sense?

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Palin is a great choice. To be honest, I didn't know much about her before she could have possibly been the running mate, but after reading up on her and listening to her speech today, she is a fantastic choice. I didn't even know hardly anything about Obama either before he was in the running for president. Unforgiven2870

He also said he read up on her.

Gotta love Obama fanboys.:roll:

I just went to the Mccain website, and now have all the proof I need to show that she was picked solely because she is a woman.

He could have tried to make it a little less obvious :roll: And look at how short that write-up is; she hasn't accomplished anything.

I dont like her ties to Oil...Tjeremiah1988

What ties? Her husband works/worked part time during the fishing offseason. Whoop-dee-doo.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

I love how you're trying to shift the premise of the discussion because you know you don't have a damn leg to stand on.

HE CHOSE HER BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. THIS IS WHAT GENDER POLITICS LOOKS LIKE.

And her resume--in the face of so many much more qualified candidates--proves it. His campaign new they needed a change or they would be hard-pressed to win. And so they've gone the gender route.

Enjoy the flavor of your hypocracy.

sonicmj1

Um, you brought up her foreign policy experience, not me. :lol:

I'd rather enjoy reason instead of blind speculation.

Reason: there are plenty of other candidates of a similar age with similar credentials that are better qualified.

While Biden's traits complement certain Obama weaknesses, he's different enough that he isn't that susceptible to attacks that Obama has directed at McCain. Palin, on the other hand, is practically the picture of inexperience, and McCain has rested on that argument to say that Obama is unfit to lead.

Quibbling over exact amounts of years and the importance of different types of experience aside, Palin isn't the most qualified candidate out there. If McCain puts her as his VP candidate, as the person who will take over for him should he be unable to serve (a not-unlikely possibility), how can he reconcile that choice with his attacks on Obama's inexperience? It's an enormous difficulty that his campaign will have to surmount.

The only big upside from this choice for McCain, besides her conservative record (which could have been found in a number of other, more experienced candidates) is that she is a woman, and that could exploit rifts among the Democrats created by Hillary's primary run. It's the strongest reason to choose her over her competitors.

Does that reasoning make sense?

I believe I've already said that the "little experience" argument has never really appealed to me. . .Abraham Lincoln had poor experience as well. So I don't think that alone would make Obama, or Palin should the situation arise, a terrible president, so I think McCain's campaign will have to cut back on that argument.

As for Hillary supporters, as people have said, her strong pro-life support would turn her off to quite a few Hillary supporters, since Hillary was very pro-choice. Do you not think that the McCain party realised this before the Internet teenagers?

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Palin is a great choice. To be honest, I didn't know much about her before she could have possibly been the running mate, but after reading up on her and listening to her speech today, she is a fantastic choice. I didn't even know hardly anything about Obama either before he was in the running for president. Theokhoth

He also said he read up on her.

Gotta love Obama fanboys.:roll:

I just went to the Mccain website, and now have all the proof I need to show that she was picked solely because she is a woman.

He could have tried to make it a little less obvious :roll: And look at how short that write-up is; she hasn't accomplished anything.

bungie93

The Best part is she is just as qualified if not qualified more then Obama.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Palin is a great choice. To be honest, I didn't know much about her before she could have possibly been the running mate, but after reading up on her and listening to her speech today, she is a fantastic choice. I didn't even know hardly anything about Obama either before he was in the running for president. Unforgiven2870

Ok, that's cool. I like how you just completely disregarded the part where I said I read up on her. You cherry pickin' son of a gun, you.

I just went to the Mccain website, and now have all the proof I need to show that she was picked solely because she is a woman.

He could have tried to make it a little less obvious :roll: And look at how short that write-up is; she hasn't accomplished anything.

bungie93

"Hillary put 18 million holes into the glass ceiling...but it turns out the women of America aren't done yet and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all!" - Palin today.

Now imagine the field day Republicans would have if Obama had said that about black folk.

But I'm sure it'll be okay now.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Palin is a great choice. To be honest, I didn't know much about her before she could have possibly been the running mate, but after reading up on her and listening to her speech today, she is a fantastic choice. I didn't even know hardly anything about Obama either before he was in the running for president. Unforgiven2870

He also said he read up on her.

Gotta love Obama fanboys.:roll:

Now your just making baseless statements, and she has the highest approval rating of any governor of America.

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]I dont like her ties to Oil...Unforgiven2870

So.. you don't like the fact that ". . . Palin's tenure is noted for her independence from big oil companies, while still promoting resource development.[11][13] Palin has announced plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisors, to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska."

And it's her husband that has a job at an oil company. How is that wrong?

[QUOTE="bungie93"]

I just went to the Mccain website, and now have all the proof I need to show that she was picked solely because she is a woman.

He could have tried to make it a little less obvious :roll: And look at how short that write-up is; she hasn't accomplished anything.

SAURON221

The Best part is she is just as qualified if not qualified more then Obama.

I'm not going to defend Obama, but at least he won the Democratic nomination by winning millions of votes, Sarah Palin was just simply picked from a group of people.

i do know i don't trust her since she's married to a guy who probably rakes in more in 20 seconds than we would in 20 years lol.Unforgiven2870

What a load of crap. Her husband is a commerical fisherman, not a Big Oil CEO. He, like many fishermen, works a second job during the offseason.

[QUOTE="SAURON221"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

I just went to the Mccain website, and now have all the proof I need to show that she was picked solely because she is a woman.

He could have tried to make it a little less obvious :roll: And look at how short that write-up is; she hasn't accomplished anything.

bungie93

The Best part is she is just as qualified if not qualified more then Obama.

I'm not going to defend Obama, but at least he won the Democratic nomination by winning millions of votes, Sarah Palin was just simply picked from a group of people.

That does not change the fact of the experience.

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Palin is a great choice. To be honest, I didn't know much about her before she could have possibly been the running mate, but after reading up on her and listening to her speech today, she is a fantastic choice. I didn't even know hardly anything about Obama either before he was in the running for president. SAURON221

He also said he read up on her.

Gotta love Obama fanboys.:roll:

Now your just making baseless statements, and she has the highest approval rating of any governor of America.

[QUOTE="bungie93"][QUOTE="SAURON221"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

I just went to the Mccain website, and now have all the proof I need to show that she was picked solely because she is a woman.

He could have tried to make it a little less obvious :roll: And look at how short that write-up is; she hasn't accomplished anything.

SAURON221

The Best part is she is just as qualified if not qualified more then Obama.

I'm not going to defend Obama, but at least he won the Democratic nomination by winning millions of votes, Sarah Palin was just simply picked from a group of people.

That does not change the fact of the experience.

That does not change the fact that he earned it, while Palin just received it.

"Hillary put 18 million holes into the glass ceiling...but it turns out the women of America aren't done yet and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all!" - Palin today.

Now imagine the field day Republicans would have if Obama had said that about black folk.

But I'm sure it'll be okay now.

Dreams-Visions

You're right. That can be viewed as sexist. :o

[QUOTE="SAURON221"][QUOTE="bungie93"][QUOTE="SAURON221"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

I just went to the Mccain website, and now have all the proof I need to show that she was picked solely because she is a woman.

He could have tried to make it a little less obvious :roll: And look at how short that write-up is; she hasn't accomplished anything.

bungie93

The Best part is she is just as qualified if not qualified more then Obama.

I'm not going to defend Obama, but at least he won the Democratic nomination by winning millions of votes, Sarah Palin was just simply picked from a group of people.

That does not change the fact of the experience.

That does not change the fact that he earned it, while Palin just received it.

Still does not change the fact that she is just as experienced if not more. We gonna go back and forth all day?

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Reason: there are plenty of other candidates of a similar age with similar credentials that are better qualified.

While Biden's traits complement certain Obama weaknesses, he's different enough that he isn't that susceptible to attacks that Obama has directed at McCain. Palin, on the other hand, is practically the picture of inexperience, and McCain has rested on that argument to say that Obama is unfit to lead.

Quibbling over exact amounts of years and the importance of different types of experience aside, Palin isn't the most qualified candidate out there. If McCain puts her as his VP candidate, as the person who will take over for him should he be unable to serve (a not-unlikely possibility), how can he reconcile that choice with his attacks on Obama's inexperience? It's an enormous difficulty that his campaign will have to surmount.

The only big upside from this choice for McCain, besides her conservative record (which could have been found in a number of other, more experienced candidates) is that she is a woman, and that could exploit rifts among the Democrats created by Hillary's primary run. It's the strongest reason to choose her over her competitors.

Does that reasoning make sense?

Theokhoth

I believe I've already said that the "little experience" argument has never really appealed to me. . .Abraham Lincoln had poor experience as well. So I don't think that alone would make Obama, or Palin should the situation arise, a terrible president, so I think McCain's campaign will have to cut back on that argument.

As for Hillary supporters, as people have said, her strong pro-life support would turn her off to quite a few Hillary supporters, since Hillary was very pro-choice. Do you not think that the McCain party realised this before the Internet teenagers?

The McCain campaign could never have gotten all the Hillary supporters without sacrificing the conservative vote. But that doesn't mean that courting some of them is impossible. Part of Obama's mission at the convention was to demonstrate himself as a supporter of women's rights, declaring that he would fight for equal pay for equal work, to attract the women who voted for Hillary because they believed in women's rights and a female president. This pick is a counter to that move, an attempt to tell women who voted for Hillary because of that 'glass ceiling' that she was putting cracks in that a vote for McCain would be a vote for the future of women's rights, solely on the virtue of putting a female in the White House, in a position to become President.

I'm sure the McCain campaign was aware of the obstacles, but they were also aware of the upsides despite them, and that's why they made the choice they did.

[QUOTE="SAURON221"][QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Palin is a great choice. To be honest, I didn't know much about her before she could have possibly been the running mate, but after reading up on her and listening to her speech today, she is a fantastic choice. I didn't even know hardly anything about Obama either before he was in the running for president. Unforgiven2870

He also said he read up on her.

Gotta love Obama fanboys.:roll:

Now your just making baseless statements, and she has the highest approval rating of any governor of America.

All I'm saying is for your opinion to be backed by some evidence.

So let's see.. Palin is noted for her independence from big oil, cleaned up a bunch of corruption even in her own party, she's obviously a loving mother, and she has an 80% approval rating.. What is not to like??The_Mac_Daddy

The population of Alaska is ----> 670,053

The population of Rhode Island is ----> 1,067,610

That is all.