Michael Vick reinstated into the NFL today! YES!!!

Killing for food is ok then? Even under disgusting conditions?MoonMarvel

You guys think that fighting dogs is any worse than this?

[QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Killing for food is ok then? Even under disgusting conditions?mfp16

You guys think that fighting dogs is any worse than this?

So pushing cows around with bulldozers is necessary to eat? Are you serious?

Maybe you should watch the video before trying to fufill your desire to constantly be right.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="mfp16"] I am against hunting yes... Thrown in jail, no because this isn't the law. If it was up to me I would not allow any creature to be killed for fun. I find such a notion to be repulsive.SeanyBoy21

You guys think that fighting dogs is any worse than this?

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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Killing for food is ok then? Even under disgusting conditions?Lethalhazard

You guys think that fighting dogs is any worse than this?

YEs both are very very bad, but you guys are on here talking about how horrible Mike Vick is, when you go out and pay the people who do this to cows.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

You guys think that fighting dogs is any worse than this?

SeanyBoy21

YEs both are very very bad, but you guys are on here talking about how horrible Mike Vick is, when you go out and pay the people who do this to cows.

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] You're still not getting it. Oh and I guess you want all hunters thrown in jail right?

MoonMarvel

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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] They should lose more for doing something that doesn't harm anyone but themselves? Do you feel the same about all drug addicts?MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

You guys think that fighting dogs is any worse than this?

SeanyBoy21

YEs both are very very bad, but you guys are on here talking about how horrible Mike Vick is, when you go out and pay the people who do this to cows.

he should have been banned...mfp16

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]He was never a good player anyway, and I don't see why any team would sign him. Maybe he can play backup? Vick had his chance on and off the field and blew it.SeanyBoy21

He was never a good player? Are you out of your mind?

Anyways. This is good. Fighting dogs isn't all that big of an offence. Donte Stallworth killed a man while drunk driving and he got 30 days in prison...

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[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] Both are horrible, the dogs were treated in awful conditions, too. Many of course, died from excessive bleeding over time.mfp16

YEs both are very very bad, but you guys are on here talking about how horrible Mike Vick is, when you go out and pay the people who do this to cows.

So in other words you would like to ignore the truth, yet Mike Vick is a terrible person. But these people who are doing essentially the same thing are better because they are eating the cows afterwards.

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

YEs both are very very bad, but you guys are on here talking about how horrible Mike Vick is, when you go out and pay the people who do this to cows.

SeanyBoy21

So in other words you would like to ignore the truth, yet Mike Vick is a terrible person. But these people who are doing essentially the same thing are better because they are eating the cows afterwards.

[QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

[QUOTE="mfp16"] I'm just against the mistreatment of animals in a slaughterhouse when they are deplorable. I will not watch the video, I'm sorry, but I can't take it seeing animals (or anything for that matter) suffer.mfp16

So in other words you would like to ignore the truth, yet Mike Vick is a terrible person. But these people who are doing essentially the same thing are better because they are eating the cows afterwards.

I still don't think you get my point. Why are you so hard on Vick when you yourself are going out and eating beef which used to be a cow that was just as mistreated as the dogs Vick hurt?

[QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]He was never a good player anyway, and I don't see why any team would sign him. Maybe he can play backup? Vick had his chance on and off the field and blew it.flowersjf

He was never a good player? Are you out of your mind?

Anyways. This is good. Fighting dogs isn't all that big of an offence. Donte Stallworth killed a man while drunk driving and he got 30 days in prison...

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

So in other words you would like to ignore the truth, yet Mike Vick is a terrible person. But these people who are doing essentially the same thing are better because they are eating the cows afterwards.

SeanyBoy21

I still don't think you get my point. Why are you so hard on Vick when you yourself are going out and eating beef which used to be a cow that was just as mistreated as the dogs Vick hurt?

[QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

[QUOTE="mfp16"] nope, I'll say it for the third time.. they are no better either.mfp16

I still don't think you get my point. Why are you so hard on Vick when you yourself are going out and eating beef which used to be a cow that was just as mistreated as the dogs Vick hurt?

So people can't be fed without the mistreatment of cows?

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

I still don't think you get my point. Why are you so hard on Vick when you yourself are going out and eating beef which used to be a cow that was just as mistreated as the dogs Vick hurt?

SeanyBoy21

So people can't be fed without the mistreatment of cows?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] You're still not getting it. Oh and I guess you want all hunters thrown in jail right?

MoonMarvel

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[QUOTE="mfp16"] I wouldn't say I am easy on the others, and not all slaughterhouses are like that one. I would love to see the people in that video (which I assume is horrendous, but I won't watch it) go to prison as well. But there is still a big distinction here, that is food. There is a difference tolerating the slaughter of animals to feed people and tolerating people who purposefully torture animals for fun. mfp16

So people can't be fed without the mistreatment of cows?

Than why is the mistreatment of cows any more tolerable than the mistreatment of dogs? There is no way that you don't see the major flaws in your logic.

Again, just because you eat the tourtued animal after the act, doesn't make it any better.

I hate him and I hate all of the parents in Atlanta who let their little kids run around with Vick jerseys, I will never support him or any team he plays for

He won't be on the field long, only a matter of time before he gets attacked by the opposite team, or even his own teammates.

Also, about the cows, they are raised to be food, not much you can do about it.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...hunters are not the same as torturing animals.:|

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

So people can't be fed without the mistreatment of cows?

SeanyBoy21

Than why is the mistreatment of cows any more tolerable than the mistreatment of dogs? There is no way that you don't see the major flaws in your logic.

Again, just because you eat the tourtued animal after the act, doesn't make it any better.

I do tolerate the humane and painless slaughter of animals used for the purpose of food. Any mistreatment of animals should be punished harshly. No animal should be killed for fun be it dog fighting or hunting (but thats another issue entirely and there are other concerns that can be brought up).

Michael Vick engages in pure sadism pure and simple. He ran a dog fighting ring for the pure please of seeing dogs tortured. This is entirely different that killing an animal humanely for food. If you refuse to accept that position that is fine (I'm not arguing with you anymore since you aren't even reading my responses). Michael Vick needs to do a lot more than a few months in a minimum security to prove that disgusting sadism has left his heart.

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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Nothing wrong with killing a deer and mounting its head..No nothing at all. Hunting for sport............

MoonMarvel

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[QUOTE="mfp16"] yes they can... i never suggested they couldn't. mfp16

Than why is the mistreatment of cows any more tolerable than the mistreatment of dogs? There is no way that you don't see the major flaws in your logic.

Again, just because you eat the tourtued animal after the act, doesn't make it any better.

...You clearly still haven't watched the video. Let me make it real big for you. THE COWS AREN"T BEING KILLED HUMANELY. And 23 months at Leavenworth Penitentiary = a few months at a minimum security prison...Right?

If you are so agianst the mistreatment of animals, than why do you buy meat that used to be a mistreated cow?

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="SeanyBoy21"]

Than why is the mistreatment of cows any more tolerable than the mistreatment of dogs? There is no way that you don't see the major flaws in your logic.

Again, just because you eat the tourtued animal after the act, doesn't make it any better.

SeanyBoy21

...You clearly still haven't watched the video. Let me make it real big for you. THE COWS AREN"T BEING KILLED HUMANELY. And 23 months at Leavenworth Penitentiary = a few months at a minimum security prison...Right?

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[QUOTE="mfp16"] OK, I'm done arguing back and forth with you because you are simply ignoring my arguments. I'm am against the mistreatment of cows (or any animal) and find it to be just as distasteful. I'm not sure where you see a "flaw in logic". I do tolerate the humane and painless slaughter of animals used for the purpose of food. Any mistreatment of animals should be punished harshly. No animal should be killed for fun be it dog fighting or hunting (but thats another issue entirely and there are other concerns that can be brought up). Michael Vick engages in pure sadism pure and simple. He ran a dog fighting ring for the pure please of seeing dogs tortured. This is entirely different that killing an animal humanely for food. If you refuse to accept that position that is fine (I'm not arguing with you anymore since you aren't even reading my responses). Michael Vick needs to do a lot more than a few months in a minimum security to prove that disgusting sadism has left his heart. mfp16

...You clearly still haven't watched the video. Let me make it real big for you. THE COWS AREN"T BEING KILLED HUMANELY. And 23 months at Leavenworth Penitentiary = a few months at a minimum security prison...Right?

I know you are against that. Than why do you keep buying the beef that used to be a mistreated cow? How many times do I need to ask before you give me an answer?

Who really cares why he buys beef.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]A clean kill is not the same as torture no matter how you spin it.:|

Who really cares why he buys beef.

corwinn01

I care, because he is sitting on this site talking about how bad of a person Mike Vick is when he is buying meat that used to be a toutured cow.

How do you know the beef he buys is tortured?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Hunting for sport is wrong no matter how you try to spin it. :|MoonMarvel

90% of hunters eat the animal that they killed or they sell it to a butcher so that other people can eat it. Do they need to in order to survive? No. What do you think they do with the bodies? Leave them to rot?

How do you know the beef he buys is tortured?

corwinn01

Sigh...

If you don't feel like reading the link, I'll explain it.

They stuff the cows into cages.

They electocute the cow untill they are knocked out.

Then they hang them upside down and bleed them out.

How isn't that touture?

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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Hunting for sport is wrong no matter how you try to spin it. :|MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Hunting for sport is wrong no matter how you try to spin it. :|MoonMarvel

I hate hunting for sport also but I do think it is slightly less evil and slightly more humane than dog fighting etc...

Thats called USDA in my book.

Wow it's hilarious though, he gets two years for fighting dogs but Gabe Watson was given one year for killing another person.

http://allnurses-central.com/world-news-current/american-man-who-398126.html

Hilarious isn't it?

Wow it's hilarious though, he gets two years for fighting dogs but Gabe Watson was given one year for killing another person.

http://allnurses-central.com/world-news-current/american-man-who-398126.html

Hilarious isn't it?

Espada12

Wow it's hilarious though, he gets two years for fighting dogs but Gabe Watson was given one year for killing another person.

http://allnurses-central.com/world-news-current/american-man-who-398126.html

Hilarious isn't it?

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Everyone I know that hunts....eats the food. So unless you have proof that they waste the meat I don't think that is credible. Second, even if they are wasting meat....by the way hunting is necessary due to overpopulation in the deer community....nonetheless assuming it to be wrong....that does NOT excuse what Vick did.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Everyone I know that hunts....eats the food. So unless you have proof that they waste the meat I don't think that is credible. Second, even if they are wasting meat....by the way hunting is necessary due to overpopulation in the deer community....nonetheless assuming it to be wrong....that does NOT excuse what Vick did.

90% of hunters eat the animal that they killed or they sell it to a butcher so that other people can eat it. Do they need to in order to survive? No. What do you think they do with the bodies? Leave them to rot?

I am not sure if Vick really did repent in his heart of hearts... that is between him and the creator. He did, however, served his time and is pretty much ruined financially for the rest of his life. Lest he goes back and take up the dog fighting bit I believe he has received his punishment physically and he deserves a second chance. With that said, I'm not sure any team will pick him up or, even if someone did, that Vick could regain his former glory or even a fraction of it...

Only time can tell

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Obiously you don't know what hunting for sport means. That last part also shows you are assuming things when I have stated what he did was wrong. BTW, everybody I know who hunts doesn't eat the food.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*sigh* Still a clean kill is NOT the same as the torture Vick did. You are justifying his actions by mentioning other actions. Which as we all know....doesn't work.

LJS9502_basic

I am not sure if Vick really did repent in his heart of hearts... that is between him and the creator. He did, however, served his time and is pretty much ruined financially for the rest of his life. Lest he goes back and take up the dog fighting bit I believe he has received his punishment physically and he deserves a second chance. With that said, I'm not sure any team will pick him up or, even if someone did, that Vick could regain his former glory or even a fraction of it...

Only time can tell

ariz3260

Well, I think he deserved to be fully reinstated, if at all. I've thought a lot about this, and I can't think of a single person, in American Justice, who has paid a higher price for his crimes than Vick. Throw out what any other player has done and their penalty and just look at his. He committed a crime (over a long period of time), a horrible crime. He paid 2 years in his prime of his career, probably lost over 100 million dollars in endorsements and salary, lost the respect of most everyone in the US, and lost his freedom as well. Dear god, if all of that's not good enough for Goodell, don't let him back in! (I have no problem with that). I think he was at best a marginal NFL QB before this all happened, doubt he'll ever be even that again, but I think he's paid more than his price for his crime. Maybe I'm alone in this thought?btaylor2404

I concur