Michelle bachmann.....ugh

Have you ever pondered that possibility?Teenaged

No. Had it been a simple mistake she would have simply said "oops, yeah my bad" rather than leaping through logical hoops to justify herself.

worlock77

The GOP congresswoman told CNN on Tuesday her comments "were just misspeaking" and that her main intent was to show she identified with Wayne's patriotism."I wish I could be perfect," Bachmann said. "I'm a substantive, serious person" who has "good sense on how to turn the economy around" as president."

It can't get any clearer than that. :?

She is one sexy lay-day:

Judging by the other thread with the comments all her motivation appears to be religious in nature.

That is quite a dangerous thing.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

No. Had it been a simple mistake she would have simply said "oops, yeah my bad" rather than leaping through logical hoops to justify herself.

Stevo_the_gamer

The GOP congresswoman told CNN on Tuesday her comments "were just misspeaking" and that her main intent was to show she identified with Wayne's patriotism."I wish I could be perfect," Bachmann said. "I'm a substantive, serious person" who has "good sense on how to turn the economy around" as president."

It can't get any clearer than that. :?

In OT Democrats misspoke when they make a mistake and Republicans are idiots who make Forrest Gump look like Einstein when they make a mistake. I thought everybody already knew that here.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

No. Had it been a simple mistake she would have simply said "oops, yeah my bad" rather than leaping through logical hoops to justify herself.

Stevo_the_gamer

The GOP congresswoman told CNN on Tuesday her comments "were just misspeaking" and that her main intent was to show she identified with Wayne's patriotism."I wish I could be perfect," Bachmann said. "I'm a substantive, serious person" who has "good sense on how to turn the economy around" as president."

It can't get any clearer than that. :?

I never read that. I read (paraphrasing) "I wasn't totally wrong, since John Wayne's parents lived in Waterloo".

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

No. Had it been a simple mistake she would have simply said "oops, yeah my bad" rather than leaping through logical hoops to justify herself.

ad1x2

The GOP congresswoman told CNN on Tuesday her comments "were just misspeaking" and that her main intent was to show she identified with Wayne's patriotism."I wish I could be perfect," Bachmann said. "I'm a substantive, serious person" who has "good sense on how to turn the economy around" as president."

It can't get any clearer than that. :?

In OT Democrats misspoke when they make a mistake and Republicans are idiots who make Forrest Gump look like Einstein when they make a mistake. I thought everybody already knew that here.

Again, it's not the misspeaking, it's the trying to spin it as not being wrong despite being wrong.

I never read that. worlock77

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Have you ever pondered that possibility?Stevo_the_gamer

Yes obviously voters themselves can and do cause some of the division.

And we could theorise that the ideologies of politicians become so extreme (or at least not moderate) because they try to cater to demographics whose views are also extreme. In which case the initial cause is the voters.

But do the politicians' personal ideologies play no role in what they choose to support? Obviously they do, and a lot, imo.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Sorry if I'm not all that fond of thoughtless prejudice and discrimination. ;)Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] I dont discriminate against gays, Nor am I prejudice.. I dont care if they legalize it.. I'm just not for gay marriage is all.00-Riddick-00

What a great community; calling you racist and homophobic, and discounting your opinion, just because of your beliefs. Some of the people posting here are just as bad as Michelle Bachmann.

I don't believe gay marriage is right, but I don't have anything against gay people. And quite frankly, I don't care if a candidate supports gay marriage or not.

wiiplay1

They dont have to be doing it on purpose in order to be considered one of the major causes of it.

Yes obviously voters themselves can and do cause some of the division.

And we could theorise that the ideologies of politicians become so extreme (or at least not moderate) because they try to cater to demographics whose views are also extreme. In which case the initial cause is the voters.

But do the politicians' personal ideologies play no role in what they choose to support? Obviously they do, and a lot, imo.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Would/Did you vote for or against Prop 8?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Would/Did you vote for or against Prop 8?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="wiiplay1"]

What a great community; calling you racist and homophobic, and discounting your opinion, just because of your beliefs. Some of the people posting here are just as bad as Michelle Bachmann.

I don't believe gay marriage is right, but I don't have anything against gay people. And quite frankly, I don't care if a candidate supports gay marriage or not.

Zaibach

So I come back to this thread.. Only to find myself insulted many times just because of my beliefs... That's gamespot for ya..00-Riddick-00

Don't pretend that you're the victim.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] Depends on what that is..00-Riddick-00

Mind you, I wont start an argument if you say "for". It's just that your answer shows where you stand on this social issue. At least more than just saying "I have no problem with gay people" (I dont remember your exact quote).

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]So I come back to this thread.. Only to find myself insulted many times just because of my beliefs... That's gamespot for ya..CaveJohnson1

Don't pretend that you're the victim.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]So I come back to this thread.. Only to find myself insulted many times just because of my beliefs... That's gamespot for ya..00-Riddick-00

Don't pretend that you're the victim.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]So I come back to this thread.. Only to find myself insulted many times just because of my beliefs... That's gamespot for ya..00-Riddick-00

Don't pretend that you're the victim.

Didn't you say your prejudiced against gays at the start of the thread?

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]You dont know what Prop 8 is?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]That's what is going to happen if you hold prejudice beliefs.

Don't pretend that you're the victim.

tenaka2

Didn't you say your prejudiced against gays at the start of the thread?

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

The GOP congresswoman told CNN on Tuesday her comments "were just misspeaking" and that her main intent was to show she identified with Wayne's patriotism."I wish I could be perfect," Bachmann said. "I'm a substantive, serious person" who has "good sense on how to turn the economy around" as president."

It can't get any clearer than that. :?

worlock77

In OT Democrats misspoke when they make a mistake and Republicans are idiots who make Forrest Gump look like Einstein when they make a mistake. I thought everybody already knew that here.

Again, it's not the misspeaking, it's the trying to spin it as not being wrong despite being wrong.

I don't read every single thing she says and from what I know about her so far several of her plans are questionable in my opinion. But going by what I said, that does happen alot since OT is mostly ultra-Liberal. She may genuinely be an idiot or she is just misunderstood. I personally don't care as long as the right person goes into the White House in 2013 if Obama doesn't get reelected.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]I didnt say that all of her views have no merit.

I said some may have no merit. I was very specific with my wording.

So bringing up an example of her views that has probably some merit doesnt add anything to the discussion.

Stevo_the_gamer

Some people find that some of her positions to have no merit.

I don't see why you can't just deal with that.

The notion that you have to try to find merit in all arguments is PC nonsense.

Hey, idiots need a figurehead too right? Bachmann is just that, she's a bigoted idiot. Doesn't help that voting is anonymous so no one has to express their idiocy to the world if they do vote for her.

But since I still have faith in the human species, I know she won't win the presidency. If she did then sadly it looks like The Road would be a true story and the world would plunge into an apocalypse.

SPYDER0416

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="wiiplay1"]

What a great community; calling you racist and homophobic, and discounting your opinion, just because of your beliefs. Some of the people posting here are just as bad as Michelle Bachmann.

I don't believe gay marriage is right, but I don't have anything against gay people. And quite frankly, I don't care if a candidate supports gay marriage or not.

22Toothpicks

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] And how am I prejudice?00-Riddick-00

Didn't you say your prejudiced against gays at the start of the thread?

You said you were anti gay marrage because it is a sin, its the same thing.

Are people not allowed to express different views?Stevo_the_gamer

Yes, and people allowed to critisize those views even if you dissaprove of the way in which they critisize them.

Nobody said she's not allowed. That is a strawman.

Some people find that some of her positions to have no merit.

I don't see why you can't just deal with that.

The notion that you have to try to find merit in all arguments is PC nonsense.

GreySeal9

Does the U.S. really want this religious nut-job in power?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Some people find that some of her positions to have no merit.

I don't see why you can't just deal with that.

The notion that you have to try to find merit in all arguments is PC nonsense.

Stevo_the_gamer

No, the idea that somebody has to find merit in any position is PC nonsense. So you can put that strawman away. I never said finding common ground is nonsense.

I'll find common ground in arguments I can find common ground in and I will completely disagree with ones I completely disagree with.

That's normal. Trying to force oneself to find common ground if they entirely disagree is pendantic, PC and a waste of time.

Finding common ground in arguments is nonsense? Please.

Stevo_the_gamer

Yes, and people allowed to critisize those views even if you dissaprove of the way in which they critisize them.GreySeal9

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Didn't you say your prejudiced against gays at the start of the thread?

tenaka2

You said you were anti gay marrage because it is a sin, its the same thing.

No, the idea that somebody has to find merit in any position is PC nonsense. So you can put that strawman away. I never said finding common ground is nonsense.

I'll find common ground in arguments I can find common ground in and I will completely disagree with ones I completely disagree with.

That's normal. Trying to force oneself to find common ground if they entirely disagree is pendantic, PC and a waste of time.

GreySeal9

Does the U.S. really want this religious nut-job in power?

tenaka2

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Finding common ground in arguments is nonsense? Please.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

No, the idea that somebody has to find merit in any position is PC nonsense. So you can put that strawman away. I never said finding common ground is nonsense.

I'll find common ground in arguments I can find common ground in and I will completely disagree with ones I completely disagree with.

That's normal. Trying to force oneself to find common ground if they entirely disagree is pendantic, PC and a waste of time.

Stevo_the_gamer

Again, you are twisting my words.

Just because one has clear disagreements doesn't mean they are close-minded.

There are some things that I simply am not going to agree with. That I don't waste my time forcing myself to finding common ground where there is none doesn't make me close-minded.

Everybody has things that they don't agree with in any way. They shouldn't have to pretend to find some kind of common ground with those ideas just so satisfy some PC pendantic notion of open-mindedness.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Finding common ground in arguments is nonsense? Please.

Stevo_the_gamer

It only sounds like that if you're into twisting words.

I never said I was completely right. I'm saying that some arguments have no merit.

In no way does that say that I'm completely right.

Again, you are twisting my words.

Just because one has clear disagreements doesn't mean they are close-minded.

There are some things that I simply am not going to agree with. That I don't waste my time forcing myself to finding common ground where there is none doesn't make me close-minded.

Everybody has things that they don't agree with in any way. They shouldn't have to pretend to find some kind of common ground with those ideas just so satisfy some PC pendantic notion of open-mindedness.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Finding common ground in arguments is nonsense? Please.

Stevo_the_gamer

I believe that anywhere (forums included) civility isnt the only thing needed but also not trying to make strawman arguments.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Again, you are twisting my words.

Just because one has clear disagreements doesn't mean they are close-minded.

There are some things that I simply am not going to agree with. That I don't waste my time forcing myself to finding common ground where there is none doesn't make me close-minded.

Everybody has things that they don't agree with in any way. They shouldn't have to pretend to find some kind of common ground with those ideas just so satisfy some PC pendantic notion of open-mindedness.

Stevo_the_gamer

It only sounds like that if you're into twisting words.

I never said I was completely right. I'm saying that some arguments have no merit.

In no way does that say that I'm completely right.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Again, you are twisting my words.

Just because one has clear disagreements doesn't mean they are close-minded.

There are some things that I simply am not going to agree with. That I don't waste my time forcing myself to finding common ground where there is none doesn't make me close-minded.

Everybody has things that they don't agree with in any way. They shouldn't have to pretend to find some kind of common ground with those ideas just so satisfy some PC pendantic notion of open-mindedness.

Stevo_the_gamer

Yes, you are clearly twisting as I said nothing about discounting the individual entirely. I also said nothing about open mindedness. you brought that element into the discussion. If you are not twisting, then you're reading comprehension is severely off.

I am simply saying that one doesn't have to find common ground on everything and the notion that they do is ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with saying that some ideas have no merit. Only someone who is unreasonably PC would suggest that there is.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

It only sounds like that if you're into twisting words.

I never said I was completely right. I'm saying that some arguments have no merit.

In no way does that say that I'm completely right.

Stevo_the_gamer

It doesn't matter what it sounds like to you.

What matters is what I said. And I never said anything about me being completely right, so you're wrong on that count.

All I said is that sometimes one finds no merit in certain arguments and there's nothing wrong with that.

Yes, you are clearly twisting as I said nothing about discounting the individual entirely. I also said nothing about open mindedness. you brought that element into the discussion. If you are not twisting, then you're reading comprehension is severely off.

I am simply saying that one doesn't have to find common ground on everything and the notion that they do is ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with saying that some ideas have no merit. Only someone who is unreasonably PC would suggest that there is.

GreySeal9

As a Republican, she scares the s*** out of me -- not just politically, but also the inevitable ramifications her winning the Republican nomination would have upon the Republican Party.