Michelle Obama, Vacationing in Spain?

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"According to CBS News, the tax dollar part of the vacation include an estimated $146,000 round-trip cost for the U.S. Air Force 757 aircraft, not counting ground time; about $95,000 in hotel costs for an estimated 70 security personnel -- Secret Service and military -- who get a $273-a-day government per diem, plus costs for the dozen or so cars in her motorcade. I'm told that three shifts of agents are needed for a trip of this magnitude."

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/08/06/michelle-obamas-lavish-spain-vacation-sparking-criticism/

"Some among a flurry of newspaper and television reports, have estimated the cost to the American taxpayer of her entourage's trip at $375,000, drawing criticism as much of the US is mired in economic gloom.""Her stay at the lavish Villa Padierna in the hills above Marbella – where rooms cost up to $2,000 a night – has coincided with the news that the US lost 131,000 jobs last month, significantly more than expected."But the blanket coverage of his wife's five-star Mediterranean break – including private viewings of the Alhambra palace in Granada and an expected lunch with the Spanish royal family on Majorca today – could not have contrasted more sharply with the bad economic news being battled by the President."the US government is picking up the bill for her security costs – including an undisclosed number of Secret Service agents and official vehicles – and the flights on Air Force Two."Probably even more damaging are the images of Mr Obama's wife enjoying her Spanish jaunt even as many Americans lose their jobs at home. "Sacrifice is something that many Americans are becoming all too familiar with during this economic downturn," noted Ms Tantaros in her widely-read column.""But while most of the country is pinching pennies and downsizing summer sojourns – or forgoing them altogether – the Obamas don't seem to be heeding their own advice.""

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/michelle-obama/7932155/Michelle-Obama-criticised-over-expense-of-Spain-trip.html

"Spanish police close public beach for Michelle Obama's £250,000 Spanish holiday""Michelle Obama today faced a fresh wave of attacks over her lavish break in Spain with 40 friends, which could easily cost U.S. taxpayers a staggering £50,000 a day.""For a start, they will be paying for the 60 rooms booked at the 129-room Hotel Villa Padierna. With basic rooms starting around £380 each, the nightly bill will be no less than £22,800.""Whether or not the taxpaying American will be paying for meals, they will definitely be footing the bill for the First Lady's 68-strong security detail, her personal staff - and the use of presidential jet Air Force Two."The per diems for the secret service team runs at around £172 each, which amounts to nearly £60,000 for the length of the summer break.""Use of Air Force Two, the Air Force version of a 757, comes in at £91,900 for the round trip. This does not include time on the ground.""Mrs Obama's personal staff, of which there are an unknown amount and who might cost considerably more per day, also have to be taken into account.
The American public will also cover the cost of the only official part of the holiday, a visit to the Spanish royal family on the island of Majorca.""This will involve transport there and back for the entourage - as well as travel, accommodation, food and expenses for all while on the island.
Conservative estimates already put the total cost at £150,000. With Majorca to come, the bill will be more like £250,000""Back in the U.S., anger was mounting - especially as it has emerged the First Lady will have enjoyed eight holidays by the end of the summer." "Yesterday New York Daily News columnist and blogger Andrea Tantaros likened the President's wife to French queen Marie Antoinette, who was famously extravagant with her spending.

Tantaros wrote: 'To be clear, what the Obamas do with their money is one thing; what they do with ours is another. Transporting and housing the estimated 70 Secret Service agents who will flank the material girl will cost the taxpayers a pretty penny.'"'It's the extravagance of Michelle Obama's trip and glitzy destination contrasted with President Obama's demonisation of the rich that smacks of hypocrisy and perpetuates a disconnect between the country and its leaders'"Mrs Obama arrived by plane at Malaga airport yesterday/on Wednesday morning and was driven in a 14-car convoy to the five star Hotel Villa Padierna, where her entourage has reserved 60 of the 129 rooms.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1300852/Spanish-police-close-public-beach-Michelle-Obamas-250k-Spanish-holiday.html

So Off topic, What are your thoughts on this matter?



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... government wasting tax dollars...I am shocked, shocked I say
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#3 Teenaged
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What the hell?

Spain isnt all that good for vacation!

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What the hell?

Spain isnt all that good for vacation!

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I know right?! What were they thinking!
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

What the hell?

Spain isnt all that good for vacation!

Snipes_2

I know right?! What were they thinking!

Tell me about it!

It tells you something about her being informed on vacations resorts.

In stead of coming to Greece and spending money there and help the economy, she goes to Spain!!!

I am shocked and apalled!!

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... government wasting tax dollars...I am shocked, shocked I sayrawsavon
Yeah, I know it's nothing new. I just found it surprising that it's being wasted on Vacations.
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

What the hell?

Spain isnt all that good for vacation!

Teenaged

I know right?! What were they thinking!

Tell me about it!

It tells you something about her being informed on vacations resorts.

In stead of coming to Greece and spending money there and help the economy, she goes to Spain!!!

I am shocked and apalled!!

I know...She totally should have gone to Greece. So much better! Greek mythology is actually quite interesting in my opinion.
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#8 jJaAmMeEsS2184
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i would have gone to switzerland

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#9 Snipes_2
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i would have gone to switzerland

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Why? :o
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this is why joe the plumber needs to share his wealth

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know right?! What were they thinking!Snipes_2

Tell me about it!

It tells you something about her being informed on vacations resorts.

In stead of coming to Greece and spending money there and help the economy, she goes to Spain!!!

I am shocked and apalled!!

I know...She totally should have gone to Greece. So much better! Greek mythology is actually quite interesting in my opinion.

Well who goes on vacation just for the mythology (except for some people)?

But of course! Now that we are in a huge debt, Greece isnt prestigious enough for Mrs Obama! :x

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I really couldn't care less about where Michelle Obama goes vacationing. As for all the secret service and what not, no matter where she went a lot of protection is going to follow her, and when people like the First Lady of the United States travel abroad the host state often requires or at least highly recommends they bring a lot of their friends with the nifty shades and ear pieces along for the trip.
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#13 jJaAmMeEsS2184
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[QUOTE="jJaAmMeEsS2184"]

i would have gone to switzerland

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Why? :o

cuz ive been to spain, italy, france, and germany already...oh and i have been to moscow when i was 10

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Tell me about it!

It tells you something about her being informed on vacations resorts.

In stead of coming to Greece and spending money there and help the economy, she goes to Spain!!!

I am shocked and apalled!!

Teenaged

I know...She totally should have gone to Greece. So much better! Greek mythology is actually quite interesting in my opinion.

Well who goes on vacation just for the mythology (except for some people)?

But of course! Now that we are in a huge debt, Greece isnt prestigious enough for Mrs Obama! :x

I would go just to see the mythology 8)
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="jJaAmMeEsS2184"]

i would have gone to switzerland

jJaAmMeEsS2184

Why? :o

cuz ive been to Spain, italy, france, and germany already...oh and i have been to moscow when i was 10

Ah, Cool. You didn't like Spain?
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That's just great...

First Barack Obama was vacationing when the oil spill happened and now Michelle is vacationing in Spain for some reason

I love it how the president and the first lady are helping America:|

*end sarcasm*

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I really couldn't care less about where Michelle Obama goes vacationing. As for all the secret service and what not, no matter where she went a lot of protection is going to follow her, and when people like the First Lady of the United States travel abroad the host state often requires or at least highly recommends they bring a lot of their friends with the nifty shades and ear pieces along for the trip.-Sun_Tzu-
I agree with Andre 3000
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why the hell 's the Air Force costing us so much for one round trip?
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[QUOTE="jJaAmMeEsS2184"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why? :oSnipes_2

cuz ive been to Spain, italy, france, and germany already...oh and i have been to moscow when i was 10

Ah, Cool. You didn't like Spain?

actually i liked them all..but never been to switzerland...moscow was very strange to me..maybe cuz i was so young IDK..but is was brief visit with my grandfather

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#20 Memberino
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What the hell?

Spain isnt all that good for vacation!

Teenaged
Erm, yes it is O.O
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How does the flight for a USAF aircraft cost so much anyway? Extra space, if I recall is given to USAF personnel for free if they want to vacation where the flight is headed. I highly doubt one plane flying to spain is going to cost that much :|

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know...She totally should have gone to Greece. So much better! Greek mythology is actually quite interesting in my opinion. Snipes_2

Well who goes on vacation just for the mythology (except for some people)?

But of course! Now that we are in a huge debt, Greece isnt prestigious enough for Mrs Obama! :x

I would go just to see the mythology 8)

So lots of museums visits and archeological site-seeing?

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Bleh and she has to stop at every ice cream joint she ever sees. Apparently she went to one in Spain. Honestly the waste is sickening. And if she has to go on vacation why not to the gulf coast and some fancy resort there. They are struggling there, but she has to stimulate Spain's economy? Almost 400,000$?

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

What the hell?

Spain isnt all that good for vacation!

Memberino

Erm, yes it is O.O

I was just kidding, by posting an irrelevant, to the topic, remark.

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How does the flight for a USAF aircraft cost so much anyway? Extra space, if I recall is given to USAF personnel for free if they want to vacation where the flight is headed. I highly doubt one plane flying to spain is going to cost that much :|

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Why do flights cost so much? Because the fuel is very very expensive, and the 757 is a large aircraft.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I really couldn't care less about where Michelle Obama goes vacationing. As for all the secret service and what not, no matter where she went a lot of protection is going to follow her, and when people like the First Lady of the United States travel abroad the host state often requires or at least highly recommends they bring a lot of their friends with the nifty shades and ear pieces along for the trip.mrmusicman247
I agree with Andre 3000

I bet he wants to go with her. In fact, I bet he's ready to go right now. [spoiler]  [/spoiler]

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I am, quite honestly, shocked. SHOCKED.
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

How does the flight for a USAF aircraft cost so much anyway? Extra space, if I recall is given to USAF personnel for free if they want to vacation where the flight is headed. I highly doubt one plane flying to spain is going to cost that much :|

Darkainious

Why do flights cost so much? Because the fuel is very very expensive, and the 757 is a large aircraft.

If this were the case airlines would have been owned quite some time ago.

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[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

How does the flight for a USAF aircraft cost so much anyway? Extra space, if I recall is given to USAF personnel for free if they want to vacation where the flight is headed. I highly doubt one plane flying to spain is going to cost that much :|

Espada12

Why do flights cost so much? Because the fuel is very very expensive, and the 757 is a large aircraft.

If this were the case airlines would have been owned quite some time ago.

Errrm what? Why do you think tickets are so expensive??
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

What the hell?

Spain isnt all that good for vacation!

Memberino

Erm, yes it is O.O

according to my crystal ball...This guy is from Spain

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[QUOTE="Memberino"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

What the hell?

Spain isnt all that good for vacation!

emorainbo

Erm, yes it is O.O

according to my crystal ball...This guy is from Spain

I'm not, but I've been a load of times. Spain is awesome.
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[QUOTE="emorainbo"]

[QUOTE="Memberino"] Erm, yes it is O.OMemberino

according to my crystal ball...This guy is from Spain

I'm not, but I've been a load of times. Spain is awesome.

Damn! :evil:

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] Why do flights cost so much? Because the fuel is very very expensive, and the 757 is a large aircraft.Darkainious

If this were the case airlines would have been owned quite some time ago.

Errrm what? Why do you think tickets are so expensive??

Well I checked AA and it's$458 for an economy class tick (the one the majority buys) from Washington to madrid

Now...let's just say... the plane reaches full capacity at around 280 people.. that is if the military aircraft is based around the same boeing design as the number they listed there.

280 x$458 = $128240.... now let's just say 20 people go first class which is 3500 a ticket. That would still only be 200k and I'm not even minusing the cost of fuel, pilots, hostess and general maintenance or the extra 9160 from the other 20 people I counted.

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[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

If this were the case airlines would have been owned quite some time ago.

Espada12

Errrm what? Why do you think tickets are so expensive??

Well I checked AA and it's$458 for an economy class tick (the one the majority buys) from Washington to madrid

Now...let's just say... the plane reaches full capacity at around 280 people.. that is if the military aircraft is based around the same boeing design as the number they listed there.

280 x$458 = $128240.... now let's just say 20 people go first class which is 3500 a ticket. That would still only be 200k and I'm not even minusing the cost of fuel, pilots, hostess and general maintenance or the extra 9160 from the other 20 people I counted.

now double that for round trip. at any rate I really don't care.
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Darkainious"] Errrm what? Why do you think tickets are so expensive??Serraph105

Well I checked AA and it's$458 for an economy class tick (the one the majority buys) from Washington to madrid

Now...let's just say... the plane reaches full capacity at around 280 people.. that is if the military aircraft is based around the same boeing design as the number they listed there.

280 x$458 = $128240.... now let's just say 20 people go first class which is 3500 a ticket. That would still only be 200k and I'm not even minusing the cost of fuel, pilots, hostess and general maintenance or the extra 9160 from the other 20 people I counted.

now double that for round trip. at any rate I really don't care.

458 is for a round trip :P, and I didn't even mention I took this price during peak times (summer) and even took evening flight which is generally more expensive.

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Especially after the "everyone should vacation in the gulf" thing she said
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Spain is an awesome country. Lucky her.
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Well.... I'm glad I didn't vote for Obama... :|
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Lmao at people focusing on the vacationing of the first lady. I wonder what Snipe_2 was thinking when he found out Bush Jr. spent more time on vacation than any president in history.

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Especially after the "everyone should vacation in the gulf" thing she said0Tyler0
As someone who lives by the gulf, you should definetly NOT vacation there.

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Lmao at people focusing on the vacationing of the first lady. I wonder what Snipe_2 was thinking when he found out Bush Jr. spent more time on vacation than any president in history.

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democrats aren't supposed to bring up Bush.
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Also, Robert Gibbs already stated it was a privately funded trip. Except for the Jets and secret service.

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#44 Barbariser
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Yeah, I've never heard of situations where people with a lot of money and power go out for some extended leisure time. This is absolutely shocking news.

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Bleh and she has to stop at every ice cream joint she ever sees. Apparently she went to one in Spain. Honestly the waste is sickening. And if she has to go on vacation why not to the gulf coast and some fancy resort there. They are struggling there, but she has to stimulate Spain's economy? Almost 400,000$?

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Well actually she taking her vacationing to the gulf coast on August 14.
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#46 fueled-system
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At least vacation in your own darn country if your gonna waste our money. but this is also the woman who said she was not proud of america... pathetic she should be ashamed of herself and issue a public apology to those without jobs.

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#47 emorainbo
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Lmao at people focusing on the vacationing of the first lady. I wonder what Snipe_2 was thinking when he found out Bush Jr. spent more time on vacation than any president in history.

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I think your missing the issue here. Nobody cares that the first lady is taking a vacation.

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#48 the_new_guy_92
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[QUOTE="the_new_guy_92"]

Lmao at people focusing on the vacationing of the first lady. I wonder what Snipe_2 was thinking when he found out Bush Jr. spent more time on vacation than any president in history.

emorainbo

I think your missing the issue here. Nobody cares that the first lady is taking a vacation.

What is the point then?
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#49 emorainbo
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[QUOTE="the_new_guy_92"]

Lmao at people focusing on the vacationing of the first lady. I wonder what Snipe_2 was thinking when he found out Bush Jr. spent more time on vacation than any president in history.

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I think your missing the issue here. Nobody cares that the first lady is taking a vacation.

What is the point then?

That she spent an assload of money in a different country

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#50 the_new_guy_92
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[QUOTE="the_new_guy_92"][QUOTE="emorainbo"] I think your missing the issue here. Nobody cares that the first lady is taking a vacation.

emorainbo

What is the point then?

That she spent an assload of money in a different country

Do you think this is the first time this has ever happened during a time of economic distress? The money that was spent in Spain was the money of her friends and associates that funded the trip. Not taxpayer money, so why complain about money that doesn't affect you? And the taxpayer money was spent on the Jet and secret service, which means it was spent in our country.