Michelle Obama, Vacationing in Spain?

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#151 SpartanMSU
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[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] The point wasn't to compare them in terms of cost, the point was to illustrate that this first lady is the most managed and maintained by her handlers. Oh yeah, Laura Bush had ten personal servants. Michelle has over double that.

Mcihelle's sixteen extra servants also costs over a million dollars more than the yearly cost of Laura Bush's handlers.

Rhazakna

Well that makes much more sense and it's a better comparison imo. Personally I didn't know the statistics about Laura compared to Michelle, but comparing someone from 40-60 ears ago is a bit silly if you ask me. Well honestly does it truly matter? It's not like shes using tax payer dollars to buy crack or something and regardless as I previously said it's not like we would've saw being spent on anything useful anyway.

The point, once again, was to compare how mico-managed she is compared to famous past first ladies. There's no reason why first ladies have to become exceedingly more handled by servants, especially considering Laura Bush had less than half the servants only two years prior. It's interesting how little you care about the misallocation of resources caused by the lavish and bullheaded spending of tax money. I guess it's perfectly acceptable for people belonging to the state class to consider taxpayer money as a personal piggy bank, because, hey, it's not like it was going to spent on anything important anyway! So we shouldn't care what our tax money goes to. It'll never go to anything important anyway, so the state should just collect as much as they want, and spend it on whatever. And if we don't like it, we can vote them out. See, there's justice in the end. If there is lavish and ridiculous government waste, either from state maintained programs, or the personal whims of politicians, it should be opposed and cut. What you do not do, is just throw up your hands and say it was always going to be wasted money anyway, so no one should care. This is why he idea of "the people" choosing leaders is absurd. If you just thought for a moment about the philosophical and political implications of what you said, you'd realize what an inane statement you made. Yet your vote is just as influential as someone who spent their whole life studying economics or political science.

All you have to do to people like him is ask this question; Is it alright if I take $1000 out of your paycheck to help pay for Michelle Obama's lavish vacation?

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#152 htekemerald
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So let me get this strait, you want the first lady to either travel with no protection or become a virtual prisoner in her house?

And don't bother mentioning the money that will be spent on bush's security for the next 10 years.

Rhazakna

All Presidents get that treatment. Why single out Bush?

Because the op wants to play partisan games.

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#153 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Exactly, Lets not forget what Obama said on ABC. How he's like the normal common family and such :lol:

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Again: Is Obama vacationing or his Wife?

Because his wife is not an elected offical and has no responsibility for the public to demand. Bush did. Obamas wife can do whatever she want.

It doesn't seem like people are arguing against a vacation for the first wife. They are arguing against the idea of the secret service.

His wife can vacation all she wants...When she's spending her own money.

I don't think she gets a say on if the secret service comes along.

Any taxe dollars spent is for the secret service, which has to follow the president and his family everywhere. Even after the president leaves office.

So basically "They should of done all their vacationing before Obama ran for office?"

You really don't have anything to complain about here. Do you want to get rid of the secret service?

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#154 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Exactly....I think we need to curb perks for ALL politicians. It's not like any of them are running their governments with a surplus. Well...maybe Alaska is but they have oil so it's not a fair comparison.LJS9502_basic

Theres really nothing to curb in this situation. The only thing to curb would to be to do away with the secret service. And I really doubt anyone here would get behind the idea of having the most publicly spotlighted man in the world and his family going around without any protection.

I don't even see the issue people have with this. This is just Michelle Obama, right? She isn't an elected offical. Why should I care about what she does or when she vacations? She is not elected to do anything. She's the presidents wife. She can go to a male strip club for all I care.

Right...she shouldn't have a vacation on the taxpayers....

She isn't. Glad we got that settled.

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#155 Hexagon_777
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What the hell, Michelle? You're definitely not getting points for this!
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#156 Elephant_Couple
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Looks like Michelle is almost as out of touch as Barack is, and that's really difficult to accomplish.

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#157 X360PS3AMD05
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Maybe she bet on them in the World Cup?
Thread is brought to you by snipes. What a surprise.Osaka-06
Who knows, maybe Laura Bush did the same thing.
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#158 Elann2008
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This is the problem with...our... I'll just leave it at that..
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#159 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] How is it "Lambasting" them? All I did was post 3 different News Articles :?

You posted fragments of the articles which focused on the total expenses and the fact that the taxpayers were funding them. The reaction you were trying to solicit from them is very clear.
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#160 Danm_999
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It is funny watching both sides of the political divide getting shocked and appalled when presidents from different parties do these things, but then come to the defense of their party's president when it happens.

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Exactly....I think we need to curb perks for ALL politicians. It's not like any of them are running their governments with a surplus. Well...maybe Alaska is but they have oil so it's not a fair comparison.

I agree. Wasteful spending needs to stop being a political football both sides trot out when it suits them. It just needs to end.
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#161 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

So let me get this strait, you want the first lady to either travel with no protection or become a virtual prisoner in her house?

And don't bother mentioning the money that will be spent on bush's security for the next 10 years.

Snipes_2
No, I would rather her Vacation in the United States and not Spend Tax payers dollars on useless expenses like this.

She is still going to be provided with a Secret Service detail in the Uniteed States, and unless it's within driving distance of Washington, she'll still presumably take Air Force Two to her destination. How would it be any different?
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#162 lamprey263
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I'm surprised the Obama/Hitler comparing righties haven't brought up that Spain was fascist until 1975
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#163 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Theres really nothing to curb in this situation. The only thing to curb would to be to do away with the secret service. And I really doubt anyone here would get behind the idea of having the most publicly spotlighted man in the world and his family going around without any protection.

I don't even see the issue people have with this. This is just Michelle Obama, right? She isn't an elected offical. Why should I care about what she does or when she vacations? She is not elected to do anything. She's the presidents wife. She can go to a male strip club for all I care.

Pixel-Pirate

Right...she shouldn't have a vacation on the taxpayers....

She isn't. Glad we got that settled.

I doubt you can prove no taxpayer money is being spent.....
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#164 Virtual_Price
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Okay, maybe you were right about Obama, Snipes. But Bush is still worst.

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#165 MistressMinako
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Hmm... oh well. Nothing I can do about it. I mean... is anyone even sure that the money is/isn't just going to the secret service/other expenses instead of her own luxury? I mean, she is the First Lady, after all.
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#166 Virtual_Price
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Hmm... oh well. Nothing I can do about it. I mean... is anyone even sure that the money is/isn't just going to the secret service/other expenses instead of her own luxury? I mean, she is the First Lady, after all.MistressMinako
I think you're missing the point here.
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#167 MistressMinako
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[QUOTE="MistressMinako"]Hmm... oh well. Nothing I can do about it. I mean... is anyone even sure that the money is/isn't just going to the secret service/other expenses instead of her own luxury? I mean, she is the First Lady, after all.Virtual_Price
I think you're missing the point here.

What point is there? Other than something I can't control? Taxpayer money going to waste? Is that the point? Cause... that has been happening for years!

Most people use their money for uses they don't have to. Which is why I am not shocked that it is the taxpayers money.

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#168 FleeceJohnson
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Let's see, a few hundred thousand on a vacation vs a few trillion on an unjust war so Cheney's buddies at Haliburton could have drilling contracts.

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#169 fueled-system
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Let's see, a few hundred thousand on a vacation vs a few trillion on an unjust war so Cheney's buddies at Haliburton could have drilling contracts.

FleeceJohnson

why compare a steaming pile to a dumpster? we know both are bad nobody is defending that part...(aside from the troops)....the thing is michelle is acting like shes to good for this country...i would have no problem with her spending our tax money if she would spend it you know....umm here where the umm economy is in bad shape:roll:

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#170 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

So let me get this strait, you want the first lady to either travel with no protection or become a virtual prisoner in her house?

And don't bother mentioning the money that will be spent on bush's security for the next 10 years.

Danm_999
No, I would rather her Vacation in the United States and not Spend Tax payers dollars on useless expenses like this.

She is still going to be provided with a Secret Service detail in the Uniteed States, and unless it's within driving distance of Washington, she'll still presumably take Air Force Two to her destination. How would it be any different?

Yeah, It would. It would not have cost so much money, the flight would not have been as long, and she wouldn't need as many secret service agents. Furthermore, It's not disclosed whether or not we're paying for their meals as well.
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I doubt you can prove no taxpayer money is being spent.....LJS9502_basic
She paid for the vacation herself. It sucks that it cost so much to have all her security protect her, but as many have pointed out, they would have gone with her anywhere she went so it ultimately makes no difference. The only reason she chose Spain was because they invited her to attend a charity gala (that selfish witch...). She also met with the government while she there. This is just another republican smear story, really, with on depth or basis to it at all.
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#172 Snipes_2
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I'm surprised the Obama/Hitler comparing righties haven't brought up that Spain was fascist until 1975lamprey263
Why would you bring that up, It's irrelevant.
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#173 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Again: Is Obama vacationing or his Wife?

Because his wife is not an elected offical and has no responsibility for the public to demand. Bush did. Obamas wife can do whatever she want.

It doesn't seem like people are arguing against a vacation for the first wife. They are arguing against the idea of the secret service.

Pixel-Pirate

His wife can vacation all she wants...When she's spending her own money.

I don't think she gets a say on if the secret service comes along.

Any taxe dollars spent is for the secret service, which has to follow the president and his family everywhere. Even after the president leaves office.

So basically "They should of done all their vacationing before Obama ran for office?"

You really don't have anything to complain about here. Do you want to get rid of the secret service?

The Plane trip would have cost less, less Secret Service in the United States, the Closing of the Beach (Where's the money coming from?), and we don't know if our Tax Dollars are paying for her and her friends meals while they are there. 1,000 Dollars just for dinner.
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#174 lamprey263
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]I'm surprised the Obama/Hitler comparing righties haven't brought up that Spain was fascist until 1975Snipes_2
Why would you bring that up, It's irrelevant.

more reason for the anti-intellectual establishments to pounce on it
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#175 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I doubt you can prove no taxpayer money is being spent.....Ninja-Hippo
She paid for the vacation herself. It sucks that it cost so much to have all her security protect her, but as many have pointed out, they would have gone with her anywhere she went so it ultimately makes no difference. The only reason she chose Spain was because they invited her to attend a charity gala (that selfish witch...). She also met with the government while she there. This is just another republican smear story, really, with on depth or basis to it at all.

"This is just another republican smear story, really, with on depth or basis to it at all." No it isn't. I posted 3 news sites all saying the same thing, one of which is from an Obama supporter.
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#176 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]I'm surprised the Obama/Hitler comparing righties haven't brought up that Spain was fascist until 1975lamprey263
Why would you bring that up, It's irrelevant.

more reason for the anti-intellectual establishments to pounce on it

That wouldn't even make sense, how would Spain being Fascist in anyway be related to Obama?
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#177 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I doubt you can prove no taxpayer money is being spent.....Snipes_2
She paid for the vacation herself. It sucks that it cost so much to have all her security protect her, but as many have pointed out, they would have gone with her anywhere she went so it ultimately makes no difference. The only reason she chose Spain was because they invited her to attend a charity gala (that selfish witch...). She also met with the government while she there. This is just another republican smear story, really, with on depth or basis to it at all.

"This is just another republican smear story, really, with on depth or basis to it at all." No it isn't. I posted 3 news sites all saying the same thing, one of which is from an Obama supporter.

The hoo-har was started in a republican news column. I'm not saying only republicans are commenting on the matter; simply that it is yet another completely meaningless story because, well, they've got to get that democrat out of the whitehouse somehow and 17 hours is a lot of TV time to fill. 'Obama's wife goes on vacation; SHOCK HORROR.' One of the sites you posted is also curious; the same one you dismissed as bias when it was used in a pro-Obama thread. Is it ok now, then? Has the bias been purged?
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#178 lamprey263
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="lamprey263"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why would you bring that up, It's irrelevant.

more reason for the anti-intellectual establishments to pounce on it

That wouldn't even make sense, how would Spain being Fascist in anyway be related to Obama?

the American conservative rhetoric during the entire healthcare debate was chock full of calling Obama a fascist and comparing him to Hitler you're right it doesn't make sense though
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#179 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"] the American conservative rhetoric during the entire healthcare debate was chock full of calling Obama a fascist and comparing him to Hitler you're right it doesn't make sense though

Let's not forget Sarah Palin telling all of her flock that Obama's healthcare bill included death squads which would put down her down syndrome stricken child.
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"] the American conservative rhetoric during the entire healthcare debate was chock full of calling Obama a fascist and comparing him to Hitler you're right it doesn't make sense thoughNinja-Hippo
Let's not forget Sarah Palin telling all of her flock that Obama's healthcare bill included death squads which would put down her down syndrome stricken child.

I believe the term is "death panel". And anyhow, when you increase demand without increasing supply, someone is not going to get what they need and a bureaucreat will be deciding who gets it and who doesn't.
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#181 Elraptor
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I don't think it's all that strange for the president's spouse to take an expensive trip overseas on the taxpayer's dime, especially when part of the purpose is diplomatic. Sure, maybe it wasn't the smartest move right now from a PR perspective, but it's far from the debacle that these bloggers want it to be.
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#182 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Part of the perks of the job. Hillary Clinton took a ton of stuff from the white house when Bill's final term was up. No law against it.