Michelle Obama, Vacationing in Spain?

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#101 htekemerald
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So let me get this strait, you want the first lady to either travel with no protection or become a virtual prisoner in her house?

And don't bother mentioning the money that will be spent on bush's security for the next 10 years.

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#102 Rhazakna
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So let me get this strait, you want the first lady to either travel with no protection or become a virtual prisoner in her house?

And don't bother mentioning the money that will be spent on bush's security for the next 10 years.

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All Presidents get that treatment. Why single out Bush?
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#103 Ninja-Hippo
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I can't help but note that the Telegraph newspaper article which you have linked is written by the same man who you baselessly said was 'biased' when his article was used in a pro-Obama thread, Snipes. Can we trust him now, then?
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#104 killerfist
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Meh, there are better countries than Spain to have a vacation in Europe imho.
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#106 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

Every president has the use of three homes during their term of office...that should be enough for a vacation choice...White House, Camp David, and the Blair House...we're footing the bill for all three, they should use them for vacations.

topsemag55

Uh, you do realise Blair House is literally down the road from the White House? Doesn't exactly scream vacation to me.

I would rather that $375,000 go toward a deficit payment than being spent overseas.

Besides, our tourism industry needs a boost...she could have gone to any luxury hotel in the U.S., and $375,000 would have helped keep a few U.S. jobs.:?

She was in Spain to attend a charity gala... >_>
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#107 killerfist
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] She paid for the vacation trip, as did her four friends. The only thing she did not pay for is her security, which people seem to neglect to realize GO WITH HER EVERYWHERE. If she visits the other side of the USA she'd have all that security with her. If she went to her local 7/11 she'd have security with her. This story was written by a republican simply trying to smear the Obama white house - what else is new?

Why is this even discussed? This happens everywhere, with every head of state/country/whatever.
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#108 topsemag55
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

I would rather that $375,000 go toward a deficit payment than being spent overseas.

Besides, our tourism industry needs a boost...she could have gone to any luxury hotel in the U.S., and $375,000 would have helped keep a few U.S. jobs.:?

sogni_belli

I believe that it's already been pointed out that the $375k was for plane and security detail. The plane is American, flown and staffed by American citizens. The plane is maintained by an American ground crew. The security detail is comprised of American citizens. The food that is served on the plane is sourced by an American catering company which utilizes American food manufacturers. It looks like the money is going into American businesses and paychecks.

While the American tourism industry may be in a slump, it's still an American's right to CHOOSE where he/she decides to spend a vacation. We're a nation based upon individual freedom and choice, the last time I checked. Yes, it may look inappropriate and hypocritical to you and others, but it's still Mrs. Obama's choice as to where and how she spends her own private money. She's not in office; her husband is.

Lastly, if you want to take issue with the pricetag, then you should also be complaining about taxpayer-supported Secret Service coverage IN PERPETUITY (i.e., forever) for all presidential children since LBJ. Yes, your tax dollars are being used to provide protection to Chelsea, Jenna, Barb, Jeb, Maureen, Ronny, and Patty for life. (Traditionally, every President issues an executive order at the end of his presidency, conferring Secret Service coverage to his wife and children in perpetuity.) Personally, I don't have a problem with it. But, hey, if you're going to complain about Mrs. Obama's protection, you might as well complain about it all.

I'm no fan of Obama. I don't think he's a particularly effective president. However, I'm not going to rip on him or his family with such a baseless issue.

Wrong...children of former presidents get protection until either age 16 or 5 years after the presidency.

And an executive order cannot override congressional legislation, which controls the length of Secret Service protection.

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#109 Gaming-Planet
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I'm not surprised.

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#111 Pixel-Pirate
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The misinformation in this thread is staggering.

Was Bush not wasting tax payer money when he vacationed constantly?

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#112 Danm_999
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The misinformation in this thread is staggering.

Was Bush not wasting tax payer money when he vacationed constantly?

Pixel-Pirate
Executive expenditures are tossed around like political footballs. Given the topic creator, I'm not shocked to see it's lambasting the Obama's.
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#113 soulless4now
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Pfft, she should've went to Disney World.

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#114 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="Pro_Snuggles"][QUOTE="Kakarot589"]

That's just great...

First Barack Obama was vacationing when the oil spill happened and now Michelle is vacationing in Spain for some reason

I love it how the president and the first lady are helping America:|

*end sarcasm*

It could be worse. He could have been hiding out while Katrina struck LA and caused a major delay in relief forces, or he could have been reading a children's book when the largest terrorist attack in history occuerrd. Do you think the Oil Spill was going to wait until the vacation was over? I guess if its hot tomorrow you can blame the government for not making it a nice cool temperature.

this just in folks kaatrina struck LA, major flooding up and down California is being reported.
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#115 Superbored
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[QUOTE="Pro_Snuggles"][QUOTE="Kakarot589"]

That's just great...

First Barack Obama was vacationing when the oil spill happened and now Michelle is vacationing in Spain for some reason

I love it how the president and the first lady are helping America:|

*end sarcasm*

surrealnumber5

It could be worse. He could have been hiding out while Katrina struck LA and caused a major delay in relief forces, or he could have been reading a children's book when the largest terrorist attack in history occuerrd. Do you think the Oil Spill was going to wait until the vacation was over? I guess if its hot tomorrow you can blame the government for not making it a nice cool temperature.

this just in folks kaatrina struck LA, major flooding up and down California is being reported.

Um... LA is an abbreviationfor Louisiana...

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#117 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Pro_Snuggles"] It could be worse. He could have been hiding out while Katrina struck LA and caused a major delay in relief forces, or he could have been reading a children's book when the largest terrorist attack in history occuerrd. Do you think the Oil Spill was going to wait until the vacation was over? I guess if its hot tomorrow you can blame the government for not making it a nice cool temperature.Superbored

this just in folks kaatrina struck LA, major flooding up and down California is being reported.

Um... LA is anabbreviationfor Louisiana?

it is but LA is more commonly used as the abbreviation for los Angeles, no one uses LA for Louisiana
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#118 Superbored
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[QUOTE="Superbored"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] this just in folks kaatrina struck LA, major flooding up and down California is being reported. surrealnumber5

Um... LA is an abbreviation for Louisiana?

it is but LA is more commonly used as the abbreviation for los Angeles, no one uses LA for Louisiana

Common or not, LA is the abbreviation for the state. When speaking about Katrina, it's pretty clear he meant Louisiana.

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#119 dakan69
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I believe she is paying for the stay and everything. There is other stuff that is being taken care of by the governament. So I am not entirely sure what is so bad about the first lady taking a vacation.
I do think it would have been better for our country if she took that vacation in America though. Simply because it would be good for the businesses. Otherwise, i don't see this as a big deal.
I believe Bush took a whole lot more vacation. So I have no problem with the first lady taking some time off.
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#120 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well who goes on vacation just for the mythology (except for some people)?

But of course! Now that we are in a huge debt, Greece isnt prestigious enough for Mrs Obama! :x

Teenaged

I would go just to see the mythology 8)

So lots of museums visits and archeological site-seeing?

Most Definitely. I like Museums when they're like that.
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#121 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

The misinformation in this thread is staggering.

Was Bush not wasting tax payer money when he vacationed constantly?

Danm_999
Executive expenditures are tossed around like political footballs. Given the topic creator, I'm not shocked to see it's lambasting the Obama's.

How is it "Lambasting" them? All I did was post 3 different News Articles :?
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#122 fueled-system
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

At least vacation in your own darn country if your gonna waste our money. but this is also the woman who said she was not proud of america... pathetic she should be ashamed of herself and issue a public apology to those without jobs.

T_P_O

"I apologise for you being unemployed which has nothing at all to do with me?" Yes, makes perfect sense. If you want an apology, make her apologize for something she actually did that you perceived as wrong. Also, I don't really care.

if you dont care then dont quote me not really hard:roll:

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#123 Snipes_2
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Lmao at people focusing on the vacationing of the first lady. I wonder what Snipe_2 was thinking when he found out Bush Jr. spent more time on vacation than any president in history.

the_new_guy_92
That was posted by a student, not a News agency. :/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UWIRE
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#124 Snipes_2
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The problems with threads like this, is even though people will post proving the OP was an exaggeration or lie. Most people only read the title and OP and take it as fact smh.

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How is it a lie? Can you disprove the News Sources?
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#125 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

Every president has the use of three homes during their term of office...that should be enough for a vacation choice...White House, Camp David, and the Blair House...we're footing the bill for all three, they should use them for vacations.

topsemag55

Uh, you do realise Blair House is literally down the road from the White House? Doesn't exactly scream vacation to me.

I would rather that $375,000 go toward a deficit payment than being spent overseas.

Besides, our tourism industry needs a boost...she could have gone to any luxury hotel in the U.S., and $375,000 would have helped keep a few U.S. jobs.:?

I don't know if they paid to close the beach either. That was another 400-500,000 Dollars.
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#126 Plzhelpmelearn
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It is funny watching both sides of the political divide getting shocked and appalled when presidents from different parties do these things, but then come to the defense of their party's president when it happens.

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#127 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="fueled-system"]

At least vacation in your own darn country if your gonna waste our money. but this is also the woman who said she was not proud of america... pathetic she should be ashamed of herself and issue a public apology to those without jobs.

fueled-system

"I apologise for you being unemployed which has nothing at all to do with me?" Yes, makes perfect sense. If you want an apology, make her apologize for something she actually did that you perceived as wrong. Also, I don't really care.

if you dont care then dont quote me not really hard:roll:

Don't care about the general issue. Why do you think the original coding was set up to be on a different paragraph?
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#128 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]Vacations. The ultimate point for a powerpoint of hate. Seriously lets bring up a list for presidential vacations since the dawn of time.Verge_6
No, THEN that will bring to light the fact that Bush Jr. did more vacation time in the same span as Obama's current time in office has in two years. And we cannot have that, no SIR!

Bush was in for 8 years...Of course he took more Vacations...How many has Obama taken in Two?
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#129 Snipes_2
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So let me get this strait, you want the first lady to either travel with no protection or become a virtual prisoner in her house?

And don't bother mentioning the money that will be spent on bush's security for the next 10 years.

htekemerald
No, I would rather her Vacation in the United States and not Spend Tax payers dollars on useless expenses like this.
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#130 Snipes_2
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I can't help but note that the Telegraph newspaper article which you have linked is written by the same man who you baselessly said was 'biased' when his article was used in a pro-Obama thread, Snipes. Can we trust him now, then?Ninja-Hippo
That's why I posted 3 Sites. So no one can claim Bias ;)
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#131 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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Nice to see that they're enjoying their stay in the white house...

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#132 Plzhelpmelearn
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The misinformation in this thread is staggering.

Was Bush not wasting tax payer money when he vacationed constantly?

Pixel-Pirate
Much of Bush's presidency was spent during economic success. Also when someone says "vacation" in regards to Bush, it usually means he is at his ranch or at Camp David. Not in Spain on a spending spree or laying out on a beach.
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#133 Snipes_2
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Nice to see that they're enjoying their stay in the white house...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Right after they get back from this, they're going on a 10 day vacation to Martha Vineyard :lol:

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#134 LJS9502_basic
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It is funny watching both sides of the political divide getting shocked and appalled when presidents from different parties do these things, but then come to the defense of their party's president when it happens.

Plzhelpmelearn
Exactly....I think we need to curb perks for ALL politicians. It's not like any of them are running their governments with a surplus. Well...maybe Alaska is but they have oil so it's not a fair comparison.
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#135 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

The misinformation in this thread is staggering.

Was Bush not wasting tax payer money when he vacationed constantly?

Plzhelpmelearn

Much of Bush's presidency was spent during economic success. Also when someone says "vacation" in regards to Bush, it usually means he is at his ranch or at Camp David. Not in Spain on a spending spree or laying out on a beach.

Exactly, Lets not forget what Obama said on ABC. How he's like the normal common family and such :lol:

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#136 will519
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Shes setting a bad example. Of course she is the wife of our prez. so she can get away with it. Even though were most likely still in the recession. I would like a fancy vacation too but dont have access to wasted taxpayers money like them. If Obama and family truly cared for economic success of the people they wouldnt have done this. Lies........
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#137 svenus97
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Tell me about it!

It tells you something about her being informed on vacations resorts.

In stead of coming to Greece and spending money there and help the economy, she goes to Spain!!!

I am shocked and apalled!!

Teenaged

I know...She totally should have gone to Greece. So much better! Greek mythology is actually quite interesting in my opinion.

Well who goes on vacation just for the mythology (except for some people)?

But of course! Now that we are in a huge debt, Greece isnt prestigious enough for Mrs Obama! :x

Yeah, Croatia stole all of your tourists :P
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#138 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]

It is funny watching both sides of the political divide getting shocked and appalled when presidents from different parties do these things, but then come to the defense of their party's president when it happens.

LJS9502_basic

Exactly....I think we need to curb perks for ALL politicians. It's not like any of them are running their governments with a surplus. Well...maybe Alaska is but they have oil so it's not a fair comparison.

Theres really nothing to curb in this situation. The only thing to curb would to be to do away with the secret service. And I really doubt anyone here would get behind the idea of having the most publicly spotlighted man in the world and his family going around without any protection.

I don't even see the issue people have with this. This is just Michelle Obama, right? She isn't an elected offical. Why should I care about what she does or when she vacations? She is not elected to do anything. She's the presidents wife. She can go to a male strip club for all I care.

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#139 Pixel-Pirate
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Shes setting a bad example. Of course she is the wife of our prez. so she can get away with it. Even though were most likely still in the recession. I would like a fancy vacation too but dont have access to wasted taxpayers money like them. If Obama and family truly cared for economic success of the people they wouldnt have done this. Lies........will519

What tax payer money is she wasting? The vacation isn't paid by tax dollars. The secret service is, but thats not really an optional thing for the president and his family to my knowledge. The secret service ALWAYS follows them. If Michelle decides to go to a mcdonalds, you're gonna have to pay some tax dollars for the secret service to be there. Thats not anything new with Obama.

If Bush went to a mcdonalds, same thing.

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#140 pis3rch
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Wasteful spending is nothing new, it's basically what government does. Doesn't make me any less pissed, but that's just the way things are and will probably always be.
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#141 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

The misinformation in this thread is staggering.

Was Bush not wasting tax payer money when he vacationed constantly?

Snipes_2

Much of Bush's presidency was spent during economic success. Also when someone says "vacation" in regards to Bush, it usually means he is at his ranch or at Camp David. Not in Spain on a spending spree or laying out on a beach.

Exactly, Lets not forget what Obama said on ABC. How he's like the normal common family and such :lol:

Again: Is Obama vacationing or his Wife?

Because his wife is not an elected offical and has no responsibility for the public to demand. Bush did. Obamas wife can do whatever she want.

It doesn't seem like people are arguing against a vacation for the first wife. They are arguing against the idea of the secret service.

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#142 Osaka-06
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Thread is brought to you by snipes. What a surprise.
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#143 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"] Much of Bush's presidency was spent during economic success. Also when someone says "vacation" in regards to Bush, it usually means he is at his ranch or at Camp David. Not in Spain on a spending spree or laying out on a beach. Pixel-Pirate

Exactly, Lets not forget what Obama said on ABC. How he's like the normal common family and such :lol:

Again: Is Obama vacationing or his Wife?

Because his wife is not an elected offical and has no responsibility for the public to demand. Bush did. Obamas wife can do whatever she want.

It doesn't seem like people are arguing against a vacation for the first wife. They are arguing against the idea of the secret service.

His wife can vacation all she wants...When she's spending her own money.
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#144 Snipes_2
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Thread is brought to you by snipes. What a surprise.Osaka-06
Did you even read it?
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#145 Palantas
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I think the spouse of America's head of state should take nice vacations.

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#146 deactivated-5a79221380856
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That's outrageous. I don't like Michelle "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country" Obama.
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#147 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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I'm sure they don't bring in part time contractors when she goes on vacation, so they would probably be paid irregardless. It looks like pure speculation, but to be honest, I don't care enough to find out right now.
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#148 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]

It is funny watching both sides of the political divide getting shocked and appalled when presidents from different parties do these things, but then come to the defense of their party's president when it happens.

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Exactly....I think we need to curb perks for ALL politicians. It's not like any of them are running their governments with a surplus. Well...maybe Alaska is but they have oil so it's not a fair comparison.

Theres really nothing to curb in this situation. The only thing to curb would to be to do away with the secret service. And I really doubt anyone here would get behind the idea of having the most publicly spotlighted man in the world and his family going around without any protection.

I don't even see the issue people have with this. This is just Michelle Obama, right? She isn't an elected offical. Why should I care about what she does or when she vacations? She is not elected to do anything. She's the presidents wife. She can go to a male strip club for all I care.

Right...she shouldn't have a vacation on the taxpayers....
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#149 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="the_new_guy_92"][QUOTE="the_new_guy_92"]

Like Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette, the Obama's frolic and play and spend taxpayer money without a care in the world.

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also usually the TC will refuse to change their original post. it's a sure sign that the spread of misinformation works. Perhaps it worked on the TC and he never even realized it.

TC is a proven Obama basher its no surprise that something he posted about the first lady is misinforming.
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#150 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="the_new_guy_92"] example

also usually the TC will refuse to change their original post. it's a sure sign that the spread of misinformation works. Perhaps it worked on the TC and he never even realized it.

TC is a proven Obama basher its no surprise that something he posted about the first lady is misinforming.

Errr....I posted 3 News Websites that say the same thing. How is it Misinforming again?