Mike Tyson vs. Bruce Lee, who would win?

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]Oh and for the guys who dont know: Lee won 3 boxing competitions, and he was never a boxer., he only used Wing Chun to defeat all of his boxing opponents. And he was also a hong kong gang member and it is known that he broke his opponent's arm in one fight when they sucker punched him so hard in the eye that he almost lost it. Yeah, I'd say he would definitely have the edge.Pirate700

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]If Lee took one hit from Tyson, he would not be getting up. He may literally be dead. Lee couldn't do any damage to him anyway. The weight difference is too immense.

Pirate700

600lbs Sumo Vs 169lbs Japanese Man

To the person that said Bruce trained to look good in movies, I'd have to strongly disagree. He was a martial artist in the truest sense of the term. He was formally trained in Wing Chun, expanded his repertoire by learning Escrima with his friend Dan Inosanto, learned some Kenpo from colleague Ed Parker. He studied Western style boxing, Savate, Jiu Jitsu and whatever fighting system he could get his hands on.

He has so many tools in his fighting toolbelt, I think Bruce would win.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

600lbs Sumo Vs 169lbs Japanese Man

lightleggy

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]Oh and for the guys who dont know: Lee won 3 boxing competitions, and he was never a boxer., he only used Wing Chun to defeat all of his boxing opponents. And he was also a hong kong gang member and it is known that he broke his opponent's arm in one fight when they sucker punched him so hard in the eye that he almost lost it. Yeah, I'd say he would definitely have the edge.Pirate700

Bruce Lee would fight against opponents much larger than himself and he would still beat the **** out of them.

And people seem to forget Lee was incredibly strong as well.

And no matter how big you are, there are moves that are simply designed to take anyone out (Choke holds for example, or luxations)

In fact, some luxations are more effective when the opponent has a larger muscular mass because it makes extended damage to the tendons.

Better comparison would be Floyd Mayweather vs. Bruce Lee.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]Oh and for the guys who dont know: Lee won 3 boxing competitions, and he was never a boxer., he only used Wing Chun to defeat all of his boxing opponents. And he was also a hong kong gang member and it is known that he broke his opponent's arm in one fight when they sucker punched him so hard in the eye that he almost lost it. Yeah, I'd say he would definitely have the edge.lightleggy

Bruce Lee would fight against opponents much larger than himself and he would still beat the **** out of them.

And people seem to forget Lee was incredibly strong as well.

And no matter how big you are, there are moves that are simply designed to take anyone out (Choke holds for example, or luxations)

In fact, some luxations are more effective when the opponent has a larger muscular mass because it makes extended damage to the tendons.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]Oh and for the guys who dont know: Lee won 3 boxing competitions, and he was never a boxer., he only used Wing Chun to defeat all of his boxing opponents. And he was also a hong kong gang member and it is known that he broke his opponent's arm in one fight when they sucker punched him so hard in the eye that he almost lost it. Yeah, I'd say he would definitely have the edge.lightleggy

Bruce Lee would fight against opponents much larger than himself and he would still beat the **** out of them.

And people seem to forget Lee was incredibly strong as well.

And no matter how big you are, there are moves that are simply designed to take anyone out (Choke holds for example, or luxations)

In fact, some luxations are more effective when the opponent has a larger muscular mass because it makes extended damage to the tendons.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Please don't compare that fat slob to the brick wall that was Tyson.

Pirate700

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]None of that would matter. The physical difference between the two would be like a 5 year old fighting a regular grown man.

Pirate700

Bruce Lee would fight against opponents much larger than himself and he would still beat the **** out of them.

And people seem to forget Lee was incredibly strong as well.

And no matter how big you are, there are moves that are simply designed to take anyone out (Choke holds for example, or luxations)

In fact, some luxations are more effective when the opponent has a larger muscular mass because it makes extended damage to the tendons.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] Bruce Lee was used to have the **** beaten out from him. lightleggy

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]Oh and for the guys who dont know: Lee won 3 boxing competitions, and he was never a boxer., he only used Wing Chun to defeat all of his boxing opponents. And he was also a hong kong gang member and it is known that he broke his opponent's arm in one fight when they sucker punched him so hard in the eye that he almost lost it. Yeah, I'd say he would definitely have the edge.Pirate700

I'd love to see the fight. I think if Bruce got one kick on Tyson's gonads he'd win, and if Tyson landed any punch on Bruce he'd win.

Either way, the fight would be over quickly.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

600lbs Sumo Vs 169lbs Japanese Man

lightleggy

[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="Gamefan1986"]

Bruce Lee would win because Tyson would only know how to fight with his fists while Lee knew a lot about everything, and would have had more experience in real fights.

Sure Tyson would have the size advantage, but Lee would have a massive speed, knowledge, and experience edge. Plus Lee was pretty damn strong himself, he did 2 finger pushups easier than most people reach around to wipe their butts before they flush.

lightleggy

Lee was used to take an inmense beating and he could still get up seconds. Being honest, if we are talking about resilence here, i'd say that Lee would have the edge.

Imagine this uppercut with no gloves on

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]No he was not used to getting hit from someone that could literally kill him in one hit. Bruce Lee was a very small man. You don't seem the understand the physical differences between the two. It's not a slight to Lee, you are just comparing apples to oranges.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] Have you actually seen any martial arts competitions? I have, I used to practice judo, I went to several tournaments and I cant tell you how many times I saw a small "ant" winning against a huge tower. I was once defeated by a 12 years old kid (I was 16 at the time), he trashed me so bad it's even painful to remember, the kid was the junior south american champion and in less than 5 seconds I was alredy on the ground. Lee had more training, experience and skill that Tyson. You also seem to forget that Lee was renowed for his physical fitness methods, which are still considered to be some of the bests by today's experts. He would train his body in all areas, muscular strenght, endurance, cardiovascular condition and agility.lightleggy

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"] Bare fist Tyson punches would be deadly,Lee wouldn't stand a chance Bucked20

Lee was used to take an inmense beating and he could still get up seconds. Being honest, if we are talking about resilence here, i'd say that Lee would have the edge.

Imagine this uppercut with no gloves on

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Ok...I'm done. You either see Lee through the eyes of a crazy fanboy or have no clue who Tyson is.

Pirate700

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] I say the same statement to you but backwards. You seem to believe that Lee was weak as a feather. Lee was strong, incredibly strong, he would have no problem inflicting damage to tyson or taking it from him.lightleggy

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"] Bare fist Tyson punches would be deadly,Lee wouldn't stand a chance Bucked20

Lee was used to take an inmense beating and he could still get up seconds. Being honest, if we are talking about resilence here, i'd say that Lee would have the edge.

Imagine this uppercut with no gloves on

Did you ever saw Lee fight? that guy was fast as a leopard, I would expect lee to dodge the hit and then instantly connecting with a leg sweep to drop tyson, then another hammer kick in the chest to prevent him from getting up.

Thing is tyson is a boxer, he wasn't trained to use his legs to fight, and he also doesn't know how to respond to choke holds or luxations.

Also, I assume you are not familiar with the ridiculously good reflexes that Lee had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRFeYbyDpf4

good luck hitting a man who can spot several objects that small being thrown at him and then proceed to calculate the exact movement required to hit them with the tip of a sectioned wooden pole, all in less than 1 second.

He was pretty much controlling 3 arms there.

Tyson aint landing a punch on lee.

I would expect lee to dodge the hit and then instantly connecting with a leg sweep to drop tyson, then another hammer kick in the chest to prevent him from getting up.

lightleggy

I think you're confusing reality with Street Fighter.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]I would expect lee to dodge the hit and then instantly connecting with a leg sweep to drop tyson, then another hammer kick in the chest to prevent him from getting up.

Oleg_Huzwog

I think you're confusing reality with Street Fighter.

Tyson was pretty quick too

Tyson was pretty quick too

Bucked20

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]I would expect lee to dodge the hit and then instantly connecting with a leg sweep to drop tyson, then another hammer kick in the chest to prevent him from getting up.

lightleggy

I think you're confusing reality with Street Fighter.

Not even relating to strength, there's alot of finesse in the damage that Lee could inflict. Bars and joint locks, nerve pinches or even striking nerves not protected by much muscle like the femoral or bracchial nerves or anywhere in the metatarsal or metacarpal group of bones. Lee, as with many well-rounded martial artists that don't train solely for sport, were virtual surgeons when it came to physiology and had practical experience with taking someone down in multiple scenarios.

They train to handle different situations like multiple attackers, unarmed vs armed with different weapon types, grabs, holds, taking injuries into account, different terrain, different fighting sty|es and yes... even differences in weight/mass match-ups.

I have no doubt Bruce could hold is own and eventually win. I doubt it would be easy, but I think he could pull it off.

Oh Christ, this again. Bruce Lee is an actor. His fight record is no more impressive than mine, but for some reason he has a cult following amongst nerds. Stop comparing him to professional fighters.

if he could destroy (not even break, destroy in a bunch of pieces) a woodplank at 2 cm distance. now imagine the kind of **** that guy would be able to do with proper distance.

lightleggy

Since breaking is so impressive, all the current UFC champions are block breakers who came over and just destroyed everyone with their unstoppable strikes, right?

I personally think Tyson would win, but those discounting Lee just because he is smaller and acting as if he doesn't have a chance have no idea what they are talking about. Go watch early UFC (before they had weight classes) for a good look at how a small man can totally dominate a huge one.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I think you're confusing reality with Street Fighter.

VoodooHak

Not even relating to strength, there's alot of finesse in the damage that Lee could inflict. Bars and joint locks, nerve pinches or even striking nerves not protected by much muscle like the femoral or bracchial nerves or anywhere in the metatarsal or metacarpal group of bones. Lee, as with many well-rounded martial artists that don't train solely for sport, were virtual surgeons when it came to physiology and had practical experience with taking someone down in multiple scenarios.

They train to handle different situations like multiple attackers, unarmed vs armed with different weapon types, grabs, holds, taking injuries into account, different terrain, different fighting sty|es and yes... even differences in weight/mass match-ups.

I have no doubt Bruce could hold is own and eventually win. I doubt it would be easy, but I think he could pull it off.

Exactly, these people seem to think that Lee was just trained to make his hits look cool or something...there's a science behind those martial arts, they are focused on precision.

Tyson would be one hell of an opponent, that would be for sure, I wouldn't expect him to fall down easily (unless Lee makes a substantial lession) and I dont say that he doesn't have a chance to win, but it wouldn't be a "Tyson wins, hands down, no chance for Lee" fight like most people in the thread are saying.

[QUOTE="I"]

Oh Christ, this again. Bruce Lee is an actor. His fight record is no more impressive than mine, but for some reason he has a cult following amongst nerds. Stop comparing him to professional fighters.

InEMplease

His fight record is very much undocumented. He was a professional fighter.

I don't think you understand what a professional fighter is. A professional fighter is someone who is paid for fights within a legal, recognize organization, and whose fights are documented. Fights being documented is intrinsic to the definition of a professional fighter. Someone who, according to rumor, beat some guys in street fights is not a professional fighter.

This thread is so frustrating. Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of beating Tyson. Tyson is AT LEAST 40 pounds heavier and three inches taller. Not to mention how much stronger Tyson was in his prime.

Tyson, it's a well known fact that a boxers jab is far faster than any move Lee could make (and yes his movies used stop-gap techniques to appear faster than he really was).JohnF111

Lee goes,low kick ,low kick,high kick...good night :P

This thread is so frustrating. Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of beating Tyson. Tyson is AT LEAST 40 pounds heavier and three inches taller. Not to mention how much stronger Tyson was in his prime.

jim_shorts

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Tyson, it's a well known fact that a boxers jab is far faster than any move Lee could make (and yes his movies used stop-gap techniques to appear faster than he really was).killzowned24

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This thread is so frustrating. Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of beating Tyson. Tyson is AT LEAST 40 pounds heavier and three inches taller. Not to mention how much stronger Tyson was in his prime.

Renevent42

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="JohnF111"]Tyson, it's a well known fact that a boxers jab is far faster than any move Lee could make (and yes his movies used stop-gap techniques to appear faster than he really was).JohnF111

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

This thread is so frustrating. Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of beating Tyson. Tyson is AT LEAST 40 pounds heavier and three inches taller. Not to mention how much stronger Tyson was in his prime.

jim_shorts

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] The only frustrating thing is comments like yours. Check out the early UFC fights...hell UFC 1 is a prime example. Gracie defeated Shamrock who must have outweighed him by 80 pounds at least.Renevent42

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"] There's also the fact that Tyson is an actual professional fighter.jim_shorts

No, I'm talking about the UFC fight. You act as if a larger man has some sort of immortal advantage over a smaller and it's impossible to win, when in fact I just proven the opposite. There's many more I could point to, but the point is already made.

BTW, another thing that's pretty proven is straight up boxing is really weak vs other martial arts since it's so incomplete. Lots of boxers vs X that shown how utterly incomplete pure boxing is in a mixed match.

Personally I'd give Tyson the size/strength/boxing advantage, but I think Bruce Lee definetly stood a chance in a MMA type fight.