Militant Athiests are just as radical as religious extreamists....

I've been doing some observing and I have noticed that alot of the hardcore miltiant athiests are just as crazy and radical as the fundalmentalist religious groups out there. Many miltiant athiests tell me that they want religion to disapper and they think relgious people are stupid, isn't that just as closed minded and judgmental as radical religion? Militant atheists also don't believe in free speech, at least not for others.

They get upset when someone wishes "Merry Christmas" and want to remove public displays of crosses and menorah ect... how is that any different than a radiacl relgious person getting offended by mosques or wanting to push a relgious agenda on someone? It isn't, and public displays have NOTHING to do with seperation of church and state either, that refers to a state church and whatnot, simply having a christmas tree in the mall doesn't infringe upon anyones rights, it's there right to free speech.

What else I find funny is that how alot of militant atheist yell about how things relgious doctines like the bible are for dumb people and should be banned, and how it's just dumb faith. Well if you talk to these people and ask them about science books and stuff, you realise that they don't do any of these studies themselves, so they are just taking things by blind faith aswell.

Now I believe in God and Evolution and Big Bang and all that too (I don't see a conflict between God and Science, you can't have one without the other IMO) so don't call me anti science because I'm not. Also what else is interesting is that while Atheists arn't a religion, but in alot of ways it is as it takes the same amount of faith (if not more) to belive in no God as it does to believe in God. Both of those claims require faith, you can't prove or disprove it one way or the other, the only postion without faith is the position of Agnostic.

Yes that's right deny it all you want to, but atheism and faith are the same. How does an Atheist know there is no god? How does an Atheist think everything just randomly fell into place? How does an atheist explain right and wrong, good and evil? How does an atheist evolution is true without doing stuides themselves (I belive in Evolution too), just saying I read a science book is just like a religous person saying they read the bible. It takes faith for an ahteist to make those claims, it's not a lack of it, it IS a faith. Arguing scemantics isn't going to change anyhting.

Bottom line is that people like Bill Maher who say things like religous people are dumb is just as ignorant and closed minded as an extreamist. And wanting religion to "go away" is no different from a radical muslim wanting christians and jews to just "go away". There is no difference. And war would happen no matter what if there was religion or not, WW1 and WW2 had NOTHING to do with religion, Vietnam and the Korean War had NOTHING to do with religion, the massacres in the Soviet Union had NOTHING to do with religion (Soviet Russia was a communist state). There are other examples but war is going to happen no matter what.

Sorry for the long post but I know alot of athiests say things like "oh relgious people are dumb and obsolete" which is just as ignorant of a relgious person to say something like "oh science is evil". Both are wrong.

"Science without Religion is lame, Religion without science is blind"- Albert Einstein

AFAIK, militant atheists havent ordered the massacre of people of different beliefs.

But maybe that's because modern atheism emerged at a time when religious wars arent that accepted.

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

Athiestic zealouts can be just as annoying as religious ones (and some of their causes can be downright petty), but I don't think hardcore athiesm is even close to as much as a societal problem as hardcore religious fundamentalism can be.

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

delol

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

You're right. Insulting people on the Internet is just as bad as killing people. Also, Stalin, Mao, etc. never killed anyone because of their atheism.scorch-62

Your missing my point, it all starts with intolerance and being closed minded. That's how radicals start, and any form of radicals wether they be atheist or relgious is bad for society. I have no issue with the average atheist, just the radical ones.

And one of the first group that Stalin killed was Christians becasue he thought they would inspire people.

I'd take an annoying and preachy militant atheist over a explode-y militant muslim anyday.majoras_wrath

Hmmm. Pretty good point, actually.

I'd take an annoying and preachy militant atheist over a explode-y militant muslim anyday.majoras_wrath

I know some hardcore militant atheists at my college who believe Eugenics should be implemted in our society. That's pretty dangerous for people to think like that, not only is Eugenics a junk science, but the fact that there are people who believe in such a thing is pretty scary.

But I do see your point nonetheless...

[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

collegeboy64

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

collegeboy64

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

It may be a belief of some sort, but there's no way it's a belief system as belief systems require more than one belief.

Yes, one cannot know there is not a God, but one can certainly treat it the same way they treat anything else without supporting evidence.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]You're right. Insulting people on the Internet is just as bad as killing people. Also, Stalin, Mao, etc. never killed anyone because of their atheism.ShadowMoses900

Your missing my point, it all starts with intolerance and being closed minded. That's how radicals start, and any form of radicals wether they be atheist or relgious is bad for society. I have no issue with the average atheist, just the radical ones.

And one of the first group that Stalin killed was Christians becasue he thought they would inspire people.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]I'd take an annoying and preachy militant atheist over a explode-y militant muslim anyday.ShadowMoses900

I know some hardcore militant atheists at my college who believe Eugenics should be implemted in our society. That's pretty dangerous for people to think like that, not only is Eugenics a junk science, but the fact that there are people who believe in such a thing is pretty scary.

But I do see your point nonetheless...

[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

collegeboy64

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

There is no "system" of belief within atheism. All it takes is a lack of faith to be an atheist. Participating is a religion is more than just saying "God exists."

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[QUOTE="scorch-62"]You're right. Insulting people on the Internet is just as bad as killing people. Also, Stalin, Mao, etc. never killed anyone because of their atheism.scorch-62

Your missing my point, it all starts with intolerance and being closed minded. That's how radicals start, and any form of radicals wether they be atheist or relgious is bad for society. I have no issue with the average atheist, just the radical ones.

And one of the first group that Stalin killed was Christians becasue he thought they would inspire people.

lol some are, yes. But trust me I know PLENTY of radical atheists in real life, they do exist. Like on my college campus for example we have the right to form various clubs/groups for the students to gather at. And there is a Christian group on the campus that meets up on the east section of the campus and they pray and stuff, but there is a small group of atheists there who are tyring to get a petition going to get them kicked out of praying on campus and they go by and yell at them them and whatnot. The Christians arn't hurting anyone, so why not just leave them alone? Also this is only one atheist group that does this mind you, the other atheist groups on campus don't bother anyone.

[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Your missing my point, it all starts with intolerance and being closed minded. That's how radicals start, and any form of radicals wether they be atheist or relgious is bad for society. I have no issue with the average atheist, just the radical ones.

And one of the first group that Stalin killed was Christians becasue he thought they would inspire people.

ShadowMoses900

lol some are, yes. But trust me I know PLENTY of radical atheists in real life, they do exist. Like on my college campus for example we have the right to form various clubs/groups for the students to gather at. And there is a Christian group on the campus that meets up on the east section of the campus and they pray and stuff, but there is a small group of atheists there who are tyring to get a petition going to get them kicked out of praying on campus and they go by and yell at them them and whatnot. The Christians arn't hurting anyone, so why not just leave them alone? Also this is only one atheist group that does this mind you, the other atheist groups on campus don't bother anyone.

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[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

majoras_wrath

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

Well, there isn't much in the world/universe that we can't explain except for the existence of pink unicorns. There is, however, several aspects of earth's development, and mankind's existence that we cannot explain, but lend themselves to the notion that maybe, just maybe, some superior/supreme being is meddling in earth's journey through the cosmos.

I personally do not adhere to any religion, and I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-caring, ubiquitous god. But I find it hard to look at things like the moon, for instance, and not wonder if its easier to believe we have our just-the-right-size, just-the-right-distance-from-earth moon because of pure happen-stance, or according to something's purpose.

[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

collegeboy64

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

BuryMe

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

There is no "system" of belief within atheism. All it takes is a lack of faith to be an atheist. Participating is a religion is more than just saying "God exists."

Actually it requires more belief and faith than you think. How do you know that there is no god? How do you know what your reading in your science book is real without doing any studies? How do you know there is no life after death? Why do you think the everything in the universe came about by randomness and we just randomly happened to "evolve" without any guidance?

All these questions require faith and a belief to answer, wether your an athiest or a deist. An aganostic would say they don't know to all those questions, they arn't making a claim. The atheist is....

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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]I'd take an annoying and preachy militant atheist over a explode-y militant muslim anyday.scorch-62

I know some hardcore militant atheists at my college who believe Eugenics should be implemted in our society. That's pretty dangerous for people to think like that, not only is Eugenics a junk science, but the fact that there are people who believe in such a thing is pretty scary.

But I do see your point nonetheless...

Eugenics is wrong, and coming from a person who is of Jewish descent, I find it disgusting.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I know some hardcore militant atheists at my college who believe Eugenics should be implemted in our society. That's pretty dangerous for people to think like that, not only is Eugenics a junk science, but the fact that there are people who believe in such a thing is pretty scary.

But I do see your point nonetheless...

ShadowMoses900

Eugenics is wrong, and coming from a person who is of Jewish descent, I find it disgusting.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

HoolaHoopMan

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

Hmm. I thought being an athiest and being an agnostic were two different things.

Agnostic: One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

Athiest: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

Dictionary definitions.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

collegeboy64

Well, there isn't much in the world/universe that we can't explain except for the existence of pink unicorns. There is, however, several aspects of earth's development, and mankind's existence that we cannot explain, but lend themselves to the notion that maybe, just maybe, some superior/supreme being is meddling in earth's journey through the cosmos.

I personally do not adhere to any religion, and I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-caring, ubiquitous god. But I find it hard to look at things like the moon, for instance, and not wonder if its easier to believe we have our just-the-right-size, just-the-right-distance-from-earth moon because of pure happen-stance, or according to something's purpose.

[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

collegeboy64

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

that is gnostic atheism. I don't know many of them, (mostly it's agnostic atheists who don't need to disprove anything, merely pointing out lack of evidence for specific religious claims)

I'd like to know what the arbitrary atheist dogma is that makes it a positive belief system.

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[QUOTE="scorch-62"] Do you even know what eugenics is?scorch-62

Eugenics is wrong, and coming from a person who is of Jewish descent, I find it disgusting.

I shouldn't have to explain what Eugenics is, it should be obvious that it's wrong.

Eugenics is the racist belief system that some people are inferior than others and that only people who are "good" or who have "good" genes should reproduce and mate with others who are "good" genes, while the "inferior" ones should either die or become steralised. It's wrong and goes agaisnt evoltution completely as evolution creates genetic variation that way a species can survive in different environments, and quite frankly eugnenics goes right back to the days of Nazi Germany and anyone that supports it evil.

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[QUOTE="delol"]

To believe inthe reason is so ridiculous as to believe in inner feelings! Do you think so ? then OK

BuryMe

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

There is no "system" of belief within atheism. All it takes is a lack of faith to be an atheist. Participating is a religion is more than just saying "God exists."

Fair enough. I retract the word system from my previous statement.

Atheists hold a belief there is no god, just like religious people hold a belief there is a god.

Also, Stalin, Mao, etc. never killed anyone because of their atheism.scorch-62

Joke post, right?

I'd say "talk" is much different than "action". When's the last time you've seen a violent attack in the name of atheism?

This name: George Tiller.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] So you not believing in the invisible pink unicorn in the corner of your room is a belief system as well? Interesting.majoras_wrath

Well, there isn't much in the world/universe that we can't explain except for the existence of pink unicorns. There is, however, several aspects of earth's development, and mankind's existence that we cannot explain, but lend themselves to the notion that maybe, just maybe, some superior/supreme being is meddling in earth's journey through the cosmos.

I personally do not adhere to any religion, and I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-caring, ubiquitous god. But I find it hard to look at things like the moon, for instance, and not wonder if its easier to believe we have our just-the-right-size, just-the-right-distance-from-earth moon because of pure happen-stance, or according to something's purpose.

According to Webster's dictionary they are.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Eugenics is wrong, and coming from a person who is of Jewish descent, I find it disgusting.

ShadowMoses900

I shouldn't have to explain what Eugenics is, it should be obvious that it's wrong.

Eugenics is the racist belief system that some people are inferior than others and that only people who are "good" or who have "good" genes should reproduce and mate with others who are "good" genes, while the "inferior" ones should either die or become steralised. It's wrong and goes agaisnt evoltution completely as evolution creates genetic variation that way a species can survive in different environments, and quite frankly eugnenics goes right back to the days of Nazi Germany and anyone that supports it evil.

did someone really promote that in front of you? I find that hard to believe.

related question: I remember a thread a couple months ago about Israel, anti-semitism and anti-zionism in the world. was that your thread?

This name: George Tiller.

DroidPhysX

Hmm...his name sounds familiar, wasn't he the abortionist doctor that was killed?

I'm not going to debate about abortion though becasue that is NOT what this thread is about, so if that is your intention than I'm sorry but it's not relevant.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

This name: George Tiller.

ShadowMoses900

Hmm...his name sounds familiar, wasn't he the abortionist doctor that was killed?

I'm not going to debate about abortion though becasue that is NOT what this thread is about, so if that is your intention than I'm sorry but it's not relevant.

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[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

collegeboy64

There is no "system" of belief within atheism. All it takes is a lack of faith to be an atheist. Participating is a religion is more than just saying "God exists."

Fair enough. I retract the word system from my previous statement.

Atheists hold a belief there is no god, just like religious people hold a belief there is a god.

I don't hold a belief. I'm open to evidence that there is a god. I find the current justifications for assertions of god to be lacking.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

This name: George Tiller.

ShadowMoses900

Hmm...his name sounds familiar, wasn't he the abortionist doctor that was killed?

I'm not going to debate about abortion though becasue that is NOT what this thread is about, so if that is your intention than I'm sorry but it's not relevant.

I believe they are.

What an ironic thread .

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Well, the militant athiests can do their own thing. They aren't going to get anywhere. Just don't group the men and women of science with the crazy athiests. Diviniuz

Oh I would never group scientists with radicals, that would be closed minded. But most scientists (including those who study evoltion) belive in God. Science and athiesm are NOT connected like people think, you can be religious and believe in science too. Like I belive in God and I have no issue with sciencelike Big Bang Theory or Evolution or any theory, it fits in fine with my faith.

"Science without Religion is lame,Religion without Science is blind"-Albert Einstein

Just thought that quote explains my position more better....

"[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]Well, the militant athiests can do their own thing. They aren't going to get anywhere. Just don't group the men and women of science with the crazy athiests. ShadowMoses900

Oh I would never group scientists with radicals, that would be closed minded. But most scientists (including those who study evoltion) belive in God. Science and athiesm are NOT connected like people think, you can be religious and believe in science too. Like I belive in God and I have no issue with sciencelike Big Bang Theory or Evolution or any theory, it fits in fine with my faith.

"Science without Religion is lame,Religion without Science is blind"-Albert Einstein

Just thought that quote explains my position more better....

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

This name: George Tiller.

DroidPhysX

Hmm...his name sounds familiar, wasn't he the abortionist doctor that was killed?

I'm not going to debate about abortion though becasue that is NOT what this thread is about, so if that is your intention than I'm sorry but it's not relevant.

Yes and the guy that killed him was wrong, it hurts us Pro Lifers. I don't like abortion doctors either, but killing them is the wrong message about our position.

But there were plenty of atheists who killed people, Stalin was an atheist and look how many people he killed.

I fail to see how "militant atheism" is more prevelant and of greater importance than religious extremists.