MJ was and still is the greatest performer/entertainer of all time

Lol at all the butthurt over MJ. Say what you will, but you damn well know he will be remembered long after your "superior" musicians ever will, deal with it. There's something to be said for that.

There was something unique to MJ that separated him from the norm, and it was not necessarily his musical aptitude. He had an energy and intense focus that permeated through everything he did. He poured himself 100% into his art. Watch his concerts. People are fainting and going completely ballistic. You cannot convince me that that was due entirely to his "inferior" musical talent as opposed to others. If he is so inferior, why are people not going apesh!t over other's performances? As good as Freddy Mercury was, as good as other artists are, they lacked this aspect which set MJ apart. He was his music and dance, a beast onstage, and this drove people absolutely nuts.

Claim that others were better, sure. Whatever. I've watched many concerts. They are nothing compared to the reaction MJ got (aside from Queen, but even still). He will always remain one of the greatest entertainers that has ever set foot on the planet, long after others have been appreciated yet forgotten.

MirkoS77

Lol at all the butthurt over MJ. Say what you will, but you damn well know he will be remembered long after your "superior" musicians ever will, deal with it.MirkoS77

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Lol at all the butthurt over MJ. Say what you will, but you damn well know he will be remembered long after your "superior" musicians ever will, deal with it.SF_KiLLaMaN

Before MJ was relevant? You are saying YOU know tons of people who are listening to legendary bands that were out before 1969? Tell me who are these bands? The Beatles? The Temptations? Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers?

I admit I don't know much about heavy metal or rock bands but I'm pretty sure metal wasn't all that big back then. As far as MJ being relevant...the fact his music is being sampled by people like jay-z/Rihanna/Puff/Moby/Kanye speaks to its relevance. The fact his music still is being used in commercials and movies speaks to its relevance. The fact his stuff is still used in VGs speaks to its relevance.

I'm quite certain you hear some MJ stuff over a given year and you probably don't even know it.

Personal life aside, Michael Jackson was an incredible performer who could prove he could put on energetic and spectacular live shows

When I think of MJ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dcVOmEQzKA&ob=av3e

sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And you think that Michael Jackson was a musical genius? What the shiiiiiiiiiiiiiii*t Genuinely, what makes him so special? (and uh 12 years playing the piano and a-level music - I AM OUTQUALIFIED IN THIS THREAD :( )Funky_Llama

Okay, so he wrote his music and was extremely influential. So what? That doesn't say anything whatosever about his actual level of talent. God knows the kind of rubbish that people listen to these days is testament to the fact that popularity and compositional skill are quite different things. Your post mostly boils down to 'he was a trendsetter and therefore a genius', which is a lazy and stupid way to argue.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Lol at all the butthurt over MJ. Say what you will, but you damn well know he will be remembered long after your "superior" musicians ever will, deal with it.SF_KiLLaMaN

I grew up with his music so admittedly I'm a bit biased. If you were born in '94 you missed his heyday. And not a lot of people don't listen to his music anymore? Really? He is widely listened to, just because your generation doesn't does not speak for everyone. And MJ continues to attract new fans all the time.

As much as you'd like to believe, bands such as Iron Maiden will more than likely not be remembered long in the future like MJ will be. He was not only a great musician and entertainer, he was a pioneer in many areas of the industry (first black man to have a MTV video for example).

DIG UP HIS BONESKiIIyou

Whoever is the best is the one who has made the most moneyfreek666

[spoiler] This is your god. [/spoiler]

God knows the kind of rubbish that people listen to these days is testament to the fact that popularity and compositional skill are quite different things.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Lol at all the butthurt over MJ. Say what you will, but you damn well know he will be remembered long after your "superior" musicians ever will, deal with it.SF_KiLLaMaN

Lol at all the butthurt over MJ. Say what you will, but you damn well know he will be remembered long after your "superior" musicians ever will, deal with it.MirkoS77

Watch his concerts. People are fainting and going completely ballistic. You cannot convince me that that was due entirely to his "inferior" musical talent as opposed to others. If he is so inferior, why are people not going apesh!t over other's performances?MirkoS77

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] You're pretty much dead wrong about this one, and as usual you are only looking at things at surface level but trying to include some deep insightful message that is ill concieved and incorrect. It goes with your personal insecurities and your desire to be accepted and feel superior. Britney Spears is what you're talking about. Michael Jackson was an actual musical genius, that could play multiple instruments, write his own songs, and change the face of pop as we knew it. The fact that he was an amazing dancer and entertainer as well as an amazing musician is just more proof of how special and one of a kind he was. History will remember Michael Jackson, the studio creations that you are talking about will be forgotten. Learn the difference.sayyy-gaa

How did Michael Jackson change pop?

1. Michael Jackson invented the modern pop video. Think of every single pop video you've ever seen with a lead and it's some variation of an MJ video.

2. Michael Jackson revolutionized and inspired choreaography in music videos. All those music stars nowadays doing all that gyrating and popping in their videos? That came from MJ.

3. Michael Jackson's heyday isn't just the 80s. Michael Jackson's heyday is practically HIS WHOLE LIFE. He was making platinum records at the age of 11.

4. The modern boy band structure? That started with the Jackson 5.

5. The word teen idol. That word was INVENTED for Michael Jackson

6. Dangerous/Invincible/History...all released after the 80s. All several times platinum

I can continue...

1. No MJ did not invent pop videos. Music videos were being played on MTV before MK ever made one.

2. I don't consider dancing to be a benefit to music videos. Again...music is key. Not dance. Frankjly videos relying on dance are boring.

3. No his hey day isn't his entire life. He was a has been when he died. It was only after death where his praises were sung again. His career was not relevant for much of his later life.

4. Boy bands? I think the Osmond's were first.

5. Teen Idols started in the 50s.

6. Popularity as a selling point? I think Madonna has him beat there.

Continue because you're history is incorrect....you might get something right if you keep going.

How did Michael Jackson change pop?

1. Michael Jackson invented the modern pop video. Think of every single pop video you've ever seen with a lead and it's some variation of an MJ video.

2. Michael Jackson revolutionized and inspired choreaography in music videos. All those music stars nowadays doing all that gyrating and popping in their videos? That came from MJ.

3. Michael Jackson's heyday isn't just the 80s. Michael Jackson's heyday is practically HIS WHOLE LIFE. He was making platinum records at the age of 11.

4. The modern boy band structure? That started with the Jackson 5.

5. The word teen idol. That word was INVENTED for Michael Jackson

6. Dangerous/Invincible/History...all released after the 80s. All several times platinum

I can continue...

sayyy-gaa

1. No MJ did not invent pop videos. Music videos were being played on MTV before MK ever made one.

2. I don't consider dancing to be a benefit to music videos. Again...music is key. Not dance. Frankjly videos relying on dance are boring.

3. No his hey day isn't his entire life. He was a has been when he died. It was only after death where his praises were sung again. His career was not relevant for much of his later life.

4. Boy bands? I think the Osmond's were first.

5. Teen Idols started in the 50s.

6. Popularity as a selling point? I think Madonna has him beat there.

Continue because you're history is incorrect....you might get something right if you keep going.

LJS9502_basic

1. I didn't say MJ invented pop videos. He invented the MODERN pop video. Before MJ, people were pretty much just in front of cameras with light and stuff making videos. The style of pop videos you see TODAY(not just a performer singing in front of a camera) came from MJ.

2. Videos are a visual medium. That means that people want to WATCH and listen to them. If you don't think dancing is an important part of a visual medium, I don't know what to tell you.

3. His heyday isn't his entire life? MJ was born in 1958. The first major distributed album of him with his brothers was released when he was 11(1969). That was a major, multi platinum success. From that moment, MJ released multiple albums EVERY DECADE he was living that went multi platinum.

4.Dude, you are so owned about the Osmonds being first. The Osmonds were a band trying to make the big time and were thus performing first. Their music was good but didn't have nationwide appeal. When they signed to a major label, they modeled their music and performances after the Jacksons, with Donnie changing his style to mimic MJ. They weren't on the national scene until AFTER the Jackson 5 were a big success. This is a fact.

5. I never said MJ was the first teen idol. I said the WORD teen idol was invented specifically for MJ. This is a fact.

6. Those albums I listed aren't there to talk about popularity. They are listed to speak to his relevance. You said his RELEVANCE(not popularity) ended after the 80s. Those multi platinum albums listed disprove this.

Are we done?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] God knows the kind of rubbish that people listen to these days is testament to the fact that popularity and compositional skill are quite different things.Brutal_Elitegs

To be fair as much as the judges on that show annoy me and i doubt their talent as artists, The Voice seems like a legit talent show really. Focussing only on the singing voice seems about as good as you can get really.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'm not wrong on this. Good music does not require smoke and mirrors to distract people. And dancing? If I want to see dancing I'd go to a ballet or something. I'm not looking at the surface...you are. Hide some simple pop music in a mix of lights, dancing, and whatever other crap MJ did...and you're ready to jump up and down an consider him an amazing genius seriously? You really don't ask for much in entertainment. How did he change pop? The music itself hasn't evolved much beyond what it's always been....both before and after MJ. And after his hey day in the 80s MJ ceased to be important to music at all. It was until his death that suddenly he became relevant again......which basically means nothing in regard to his music. No one was really listening to him for decades. Studio creations? I was talking about bands that perform music well live. Without the need for props. Learn the difference.LJS9502_basic

You're a moron, you are out of your league, don't know what you are talking about and are so insecure and desperate for attention you hang on just praying for some sort of relevance.

In 100 years MJ will still be a historical influence and highly regarded. His music will survive as will his legacy. The same can't be said for the 97% of other performers from the last 30 years.

MJ is absolutely NOT the greatest entertainer/performer of all time, that title goes to...

MJ is absolutely NOT the greatest entertainer/performer of all time, that title goes to...

lazerface216

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Lol at all the butthurt over MJ. Say what you will, but you damn well know he will be remembered long after your "superior" musicians ever will, deal with it.MirkoS77

I grew up with his music so admittedly I'm a bit biased. If you were born in '94 you missed his heyday. And not a lot of people don't listen to his music anymore? Really? He is widely listened to, just because your generation doesn't does not speak for everyone. And MJ continues to attract new fans all the time.

As much as you'd like to believe, bands such as Iron Maiden will more than likely not be remembered long in the future like MJ will be. He was not only a great musician and entertainer, he was a pioneer in many areas of the industry (first black man to have a MTV video for example).

MJ is absolutely NOT the greatest entertainer/performer of all time, that title goes to...

lazerface216

I don't agree with this but a good argument can be made for it. It is worth noting however that James Brown(whom heavily influenced MJ) himself said MJ is the greatest performer ever.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] That's such a stupid statement. Not many people still listen to MJ, while great bands like Iron Maiden keep getting tons of fans well after their prime. I don't know of a single person my age (18) who listens to MJ, yet I know a ton that listen to legendary bands from the same time, or even before MJ was relevant.

SF_KiLLaMaN

I grew up with his music so admittedly I'm a bit biased. If you were born in '94 you missed his heyday. And not a lot of people don't listen to his music anymore? Really? He is widely listened to, just because your generation doesn't does not speak for everyone. And MJ continues to attract new fans all the time.

As much as you'd like to believe, bands such as Iron Maiden will more than likely not be remembered long in the future like MJ will be. He was not only a great musician and entertainer, he was a pioneer in many areas of the industry (first black man to have a MTV video for example).

And do you have any links or stats about your claim that Iron Maiden gains more fans every year than Michael Jackson?

Or is this just Internet Statistics?

What's Iron Maiden?Nuck81

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

MJ is absolutely NOT the greatest entertainer/performer of all time, that title goes to...

sayyy-gaa

I don't agree with this but a good argument can be made for it. It is worth noting however that James Brown(whom heavily influenced MJ) himself said MJ is the greatest performer ever.

Never liked him.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]What's Iron Maiden?MrPraline

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]What's Iron Maiden?MrPraline

Wat

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]What's Iron Maiden?Nuck81

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] what the greatest band there is and forever will beMrPraline

Much Classier He's wearing a tux. Can't beat that...

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

I grew up with his music so admittedly I'm a bit biased. If you were born in '94 you missed his heyday. And not a lot of people don't listen to his music anymore? Really? He is widely listened to, just because your generation doesn't does not speak for everyone. And MJ continues to attract new fans all the time.

As much as you'd like to believe, bands such as Iron Maiden will more than likely not be remembered long in the future like MJ will be. He was not only a great musician and entertainer, he was a pioneer in many areas of the industry (first black man to have a MTV video for example).

Nuck81

And do you have any links or stats about your claim that Iron Maiden gains more fans every year than Michael Jackson?

Or is this just Internet Statistics?

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] LMAO. Bands like Iron Maiden will not be remembered long in the future? They're one of the bands that created heavy metal. They continue to get tons of fans, even though their prime was 30 years ago. I haven't heard anyone listening to MJ nowadays, when bands like Iron Maiden still get tons of fans every year. I'm sorry, but saying MJ gets a lot of new fans is just fooling yourself. None of the younger generations listen to MJ, and that's the truth. You might get a handful of people, but not enough to carry on for long.SF_KiLLaMaN

And do you have any links or stats about your claim that Iron Maiden gains more fans every year than Michael Jackson?

Or is this just Internet Statistics?

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]What's Iron Maiden?

And do you have any links or stats about your claim that Iron Maiden gains more fans every year than Michael Jackson?

Or is this just Internet Statistics?

Nuck81

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]What's Iron Maiden?

And do you have any links or stats about your claim that Iron Maiden gains more fans every year than Michael Jackson?

Or is this just Internet Statistics?

Nuck81

Wasn't it kids/younger folk who bought MJ's albums to begin with?

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]What's Iron Maiden? Only the greatest band in existence. As for statistics, I don't have any. It has come from my experience being part of a younger generation. Nobody I met in high school or college listens to MJ. NOBODY. Tons of people I have met listen to metal bands like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, and so on.

SF_KiLLaMaN

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]What's Iron Maiden? Only the greatest band in existence. As for statistics, I don't have any. It has come from my experience being part of a younger generation. Nobody I met in high school or college listens to MJ. NOBODY. Tons of people I have met listen to metal bands like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, and so on.

SF_KiLLaMaN

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Oh ok, what High School kids like is a basis for what will have a lasting impact on history. CoolNuck81

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Oh ok, what High School kids like is a basis for what will have a lasting impact on history. CoolNuck81

Who cares about history and any impact on it? Oh but it was so influential. The sheer influence it had. Oh, cool. Do I care if it's still sh*t to me? No. MrPraline

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Oh ok, what High School kids like is a basis for what will have a lasting impact on history. CoolNuck81

Not many people of my generation or kids in High School probably listen to much Elvis PriestlyNuck81

This thread is about MJ being the greatest performer/entertainer of all time. Historical significance is one of the most important factors.Nuck81

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Who cares about history and any impact on it? Oh but it was so influential. The sheer influence it had. Oh, cool. Do I care if it's still sh*t to me? No. Nuck81

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] It does. If nobody listens to MJ's music, it won't be remember. That's my entire point. Iron Maiden will be remembered and enjoyed for much longer than MJ. Funky_Llama

Historical significance is one of the most important factors. Maybe you're in the wrong thread?Nuck81

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Oh ok, what High School kids like is a basis for what will have a lasting impact on history. CoolNuck81

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