mmm greetings OT tell me your politics

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

The point is that if you are as stupid as you appear, then I am not insulting His creation b/c He does not exist, see. Now, if he does exist, and you are just trollin' around, then there's issues WRT insults. In the latter case, may God have mercy on both of our souls.

Philokalia

You need to pray for your soul and seriously reconsider if you actually do believe in God. Because it seems you don't :|

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE TO KEEP IN MIND:

The legal institution of marriage is not equivalent to the religious institution of marriage.

Philokalia

Are you Catholic?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

So I am stupid am I? Do you really hate God that much that you would insult one of his creations as such? Who bares the same image as you do? Lord have mercy.

Philokalia

He's showing you the road to improve yourself the hard way. God didnt disapprove of teaching people a lesson the hard way, as I'm sure you're aware.

He is willing to insult God so much so that he does not recognise in doing so he attacks all humanity, because we all bear the imagio dei. To some how suggest my intellegience an insult to God undermines so much of wonderful catholic teaching. Perhaps I am not the best to argue on this subject but certaintly I will try and I do think the way that question is phrased is based on a clear agenda in line with what many people here agree with. I have said what I have said and thats all that can be done on the matter. But perhaps if he is the future of catholicism I don't think I want to be apart of that, but instead sacred orthodoxy.

I understand it's no easy thing accepting that perhaps you have fallen out of His grace but that's no reason to assume people have an agenda when they point that out. But it could be a phase and later on you might come to terms with it, I hope, if it's true.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE TO KEEP IN MIND:

The legal institution of marriage is not equivalent to the religious institution of marriage.

Philokalia

Are you Catholic?

I am.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

So I am stupid am I? Do you really hate God that much that you would insult one of his creations as such? Who bares the same image as you do? Lord have mercy.

Victorious_Fize

The point is that if you are as stupid as you appear, then I am not insulting His creation b/c He does not exist, see. Now, if he does exist, and you are just trollin' around, then there's issues WRT insults. In the latter case, may God have mercy on both of our souls.

Not really a "cultural Christian." That's a silly thing for Protestants and lapsed Catholics. Just a Christian by belief and to an imperfect extent, works.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE TO KEEP IN MIND:

The legal institution of marriage is not equivalent to the religious institution of marriage.

Philokalia

Are you Catholic?

Yes.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

The point is that if you are as stupid as you appear, then I am not insulting His creation b/c He does not exist, see. Now, if he does exist, and you are just trollin' around, then there's issues WRT insults. In the latter case, may God have mercy on both of our souls.

coolbeans90

Not really a "cultural Christian." That's a silly thing for Protestants and lapsed Catholics. Just a Christian by belief and to an imperfect extent, works.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Hi Cool Beans, are you more of a Christian by culture or is it by belief/conviction? Just interested, nothing more. :PVictorious_Fize

Not really a "cultural Christian." That's a silly thing for Protestants and lapsed Catholics. Just a Christian by belief and to an imperfect extent, works.

I'm being a bit facetious (and probably a bit less than charitable) with my remarks towards Philokalia.

You are a capitalist. ChampionoChumps

Why didn't I get that?

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"]You are a capitalist. 1 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 16 percent are more extremist than you. Storm_Marine

Why didn't I get that?

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"]You are a capitalist. 1 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 16 percent are more extremist than you. -Sun_Tzu-

Why didn't I get that?

Seems like Philojerk is ignoring my statement of basic truth once again.

Poor attempt at trollage. 2/50.

MissLibrarian

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Seems like Philojerk is ignoring my statement of basic truth once again.

Poor attempt at trollage. 2/50.

D3nnyCrane

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Seems like Philojerk is ignoring my statement of basic truth once again.

Poor attempt at trollage. 2/50.

MissLibrarian

You don't like Catholics?LJS9502_basic

I love catholics, at least the catholics who don't abandon their faith and claim to be catholic nontheless :|

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] Ha, his basic beliefs apparently change from post to post. Move him to nooblet.

D3nnyCrane

Get a TDH.

Get a TDH.

Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You don't like Catholics?Philokalia

I love catholics, at least the catholics who don't abandon their faith and claim to be catholic nontheless :|

Neo-Conservative. Although I don't consider myself as such. Must be my pragmatic and consequential approach towards politics

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

Get a TDH.

D3nnyCrane

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

Get a TDH.

D3nnyCrane

What does that mean? Like I said before as long as churches aren't forced to perform marriages they disagree with.....what happens socially happens socially.LJS9502_basic

It means I have a great love and affection for catholics who truely believe and live out their faith, even if I may dissagree with. Because they are being consistent with what they are taught in the catechism.

Actually wait, I wouldn't mind watching it.Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]What does that mean? Like I said before as long as churches aren't forced to perform marriages they disagree with.....what happens socially happens socially.Philokalia

It means I have a great love and affection for catholics who truely believe and live out their faith, even if I may dissagree with. Because they are being consistent with what they are taught in the catechism.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Actually wait, I wouldn't mind watching it.D3nnyCrane

Yeah but Catholics can't control what others do....only what they do.LJS9502_basic

I never suggested otherwise.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Actually wait, I wouldn't mind watching it.D3nnyCrane

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah but Catholics can't control what others do....only what they do.Philokalia

I never suggested otherwise.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]What does that mean? Like I said before as long as churches aren't forced to perform marriages they disagree with.....what happens socially happens socially.Philokalia

It means I have a great love and affection for catholics who truely believe and live out their faith, even if I may dissagree with. Because they are being consistent with what they are taught in the catechism.

Show me where the catechism states that civil marriage need be only between man and women? Civil marriage != religious marriage. That is NOT a matter for argumentation. For instance, there are instances where civil divorce is permitted, yet the sacrament marriage is not annulled.

Actually wait, I wouldn't mind watching it.Victorious_Fize

You never told me how Christians denying homosexuals marriage is different from Muslims denying females education btw. Jus' sayin'.MissLibrarian

What could I possibly say? You are just going to equate the two in the end when they don't seem at all on even a basic level analagous. Education is something which I believe helps people develop and learn and makes use of their God given faculties in order to live a life. Marriage on the other hand is an optional experience in this world, this includes Heterosexuals as well and people can live perfectly good and valid lives without it. I don't consider it a valid comparison.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]You never told me how Christians denying homosexuals marriage is different from Muslims denying females education btw. Jus' sayin'.Philokalia

What could I possibly say? You are just going to equate the two in the end when they don't seem at all on even a basic level analagous. Education is something which I believe helps people develop and learn and makes use of their God given faculties in order to live a life. Marriage on the other hand is an optional experience in this world, this includes Heterosexuals as well and people can live perfectly good and valid lives without it. I don't consider it a valid comparison.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Actually wait, I wouldn't mind watching it.LJS9502_basic

Show me where the catechism states that civil marriage need be only between man and women? Civil marriage != religious marriage. That is NOT a matter for argumentation. For instance, there are instances where civil divorce is permitted, yet the sacrament marriage is not annulled.

coolbeans90

Show me in the Catechism where Homosexual relations is a thing upheld by God. How can we seperate our politics from our religion? Ultimately unless we by in the liberal atheist narrative we cannot. If we truely want to live in the faith we will walk according to the faith. This could be said of abortion. Where in the catechism does it deny civil authorities from giving abortions? It doesn't but it is still an immoral evil which many catholics and God bless them work hard against because they are living the faith. The Same applies to Homosexuals in this matter.

Try focusing on the 'denying' aspect then numbnuts.MissLibrarian

It's not a question for me denying anything. I simply don't accept the premise homosexuals should be allowed to marry hence theres nothing to deny. It just plainly doesn't exist, hence why it is good to vote against such things which will give the illusion they do exist.

I simply don't accept the premise homosexuals should be allowed to marryPhilokalia

In the same way that Muslims simply don't accept the premise that females should be allowed to be educated. Righto, gotcha.

Man it feels good being right all along.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Show me where the catechism states that civil marriage need be only between man and women? Civil marriage != religious marriage. That is NOT a matter for argumentation. For instance, there are instances where civil divorce is permitted, yet the sacrament marriage is not annulled.

Philokalia

Show me in the Catechism where Homosexual relations is a thing upheld by God. How can we seperate our politics from our religion? Ultimately unless we by in the liberal atheist narrative we cannot. If we truely want to live in the faith we will walk according to the faith. This could be said of abortion. Where in the catechism does it deny civil authorities from giving abortions? It doesn't but it is still an immoral evil which many catholics and God bless them work hard against because they are living the faith. The Same applies to Homosexuals in this matter.

Invalid comparison. Not all actions fall under the umbrella of civil authority. Abortion is considered to be murder by the Catholic church and likewise is rather explicitly required by the catechism to be opposed by the civil authorities.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Actually wait, I wouldn't mind watching it.D3nnyCrane

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Dude participation sport....not spectator. Trust me...it's better.;)LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] The porn industry frowns on this.D3nnyCrane

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Show me where the catechism states that civil marriage need be only between man and women? Civil marriage != religious marriage. That is NOT a matter for argumentation. For instance, there are instances where civil divorce is permitted, yet the sacrament marriage is not annulled.

Philokalia

Show me in the Catechism where Homosexual relations is a thing upheld by God. How can we seperate our politics from our religion? Ultimately unless we by in the liberal atheist narrative we cannot. If we truely want to live in the faith we will walk according to the faith. This could be said of abortion. Where in the catechism does it deny civil authorities from giving abortions? It doesn't but it is still an immoral evil which many catholics and God bless them work hard against because they are living the faith. The Same applies to Homosexuals in this matter.

You are a Manchester capitalist. 1 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 23 percent are more extremist than you.

You are a Manchester capitalist. 1 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 23 percent are more extremist than you.

airshocker

What the heck is a Manchester capitalist? A capitalist in Manchester? :?

Victorious_Fize

I have no idea. Apparently it has to do with Manchester capitalism, but wikipedia doesn't shed any light on what sort of capitalism that is.

What's cosmopolitan?