Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus say any of those things. In fact, I'd read this: http://www.westarinstitute.org/Periodicals/4R_Articles/homosexuality.html and see what the New Testament has to say about homosexuality: nada. There are passages which allude to it, but only directly speak of gay prostitutes and the sort, not homosexuality in general.the_plan_man
Alright I will demonstrate apostolic succession and authority to the apostles so that we may fully trust in the apostles and what they had to say about it. It seems most evident that Christ's words are not all within the new testament that much must be made clear first and foremost.
John 21:24 This is that disciple who gives testimony of these things and has written these things: and we know that his testimony is true. 25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.
Luke 1:1 The former treatise I made, O Theophilus, of all things which Jesus began to do and to teach, 2 until the day on which, giving commandments by the Holy Ghost to the apostles whom he had chosen, he was taken up — 3 to whom also he showed himself alive after his passion, by many proofs, for forty days appearing to them, and speaking of the kingdom of God.
So not everything that Jesus said is recorded in the gospels first and foremost. Now what must we conclude from this? Lets look at some of Christ's words which indicate an authority on the apostles.
Mathew 18:17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to you as the heathen and publican. 18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.
The Apostles were given authority by Jesus Christ to bind on heaven and on earth, which amounted to forgiving sins. So now that the authority ofthe apostles has been established there is one more bit of evidence.
Mathew28:19 Going therefore, teach all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.
Here Jesus basically commissions the apostles here to baptise in the name of the father and the son and the Holy Ghost, showing them they had authority to do as much. They were the leaders of the church because they had been taught extensively by Christ many things three years concerning nature of things, of Christ, of Morality and many other things. Thus their writings, the writings of Paul whom was grafted into the apostles are authoritiative for the Christian and are based on the teachings of Christ. Even if Christ does not explicitely mention it. We might also put this in conjunction with the promise of the Holy Spirit in John 14, that Christ promises the apostles that when he leaves they will receive it, this also indicates a level of authority on the apostles, that the holy spirit would guide them and allow them to teach correctly concerning many things. Thus it is authentic apostolic tradition homosexuality is to be condemned. But we might look to Christ's own words when he speaks about marriage.
Mather 19:4-6 "Have you not read that at the beginning the Creator "made them male and female," and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh"? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate."
Regardless on whether or not evolution is true, Jesus Christ is drawing attention to Marriage here describing the way things were originally intended by God. That men and women were created together so that polygamy is not true marriage (though it was permitted in the Old testament). This I believe also extends to Homosexuality. We can't imagine Christ's culture being like the greeks who openly acccepted homosexuality. He was a first century Jew and thus lived in that context which never recognised any validity or really the existance of Homosexual marriage and Homosexuality in of itself was rightly condemned by those jews. Thus we must understand Christ in that context and not try to put our own biases and persumptions on him, or else we could arrive at any Christ we so desired.
Now coolbeans, I don't believe I really have to defend your church's teachings. But regardless would you really say that you are justified as a catholic in supporiting homosexuality? I seriously want to know. As a Catholic who believes in the bible which condemns homosexuality as well as the fathers and the authority of your Bishops and Priests that also condemn it, do you accept homosexuality? If so It seems my point is made clear.
Further more I will add that homosexuality period seems to have been forbidden within the New testament.
Romans 1:26-27: [26] For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, [27] and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed in their passions for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Paul is speaking of homosexuality universally. He contrasts the union of a man and man which he thinks is unnatural to that of the natural relations with a woman. Here we get the clear picture st paul is saying homosexuality is unnatural, whereas between a man and a woman it is natural. This is why St Paul speaks of marriage exclusively in terms between a man and a woman, never of two genders of the same sex. Remember we cannot interpret our own modern lifestyle onto that of 1st century jews. Now the word natural here is to be defined in the use of what ought to be. that is what is of God is natural and what is not of God is unnatural. It is not the modern definitions which we have now. Attempts to make the New testament seem like it doesn't condemn homosexuality ultimately fail in light of its brilliant affirmation of true marriage, and when St Paul specifically condemns these practices.
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