more guns=less crime?

States with restrictive gun control laws tend to have higher crime so I'm inclined to agree that more guns does equal less crime. Why? Because law-abiding citizens can protect themselves without having to resort to the police all the time (no, I'm not saying the police is unreliable but most of the times, they can be extremely busy).

But I think they're a lot of factors to why crime is high (i.e. drugs, prostitution, etc) in which if some of those activities were legal, crime would drop anyways.

Actually most data contradicts this claim. Go watch Bowling for Columbine.shakmaster13

Amazing logic, if followed to its conclusion, no guns = total anarchy.

I live in Canada and their is little crime compared to the USA and the bad areas of the world.Mkavanaugh77

more guns = more crime.

anyone that claims otherwise is quite stupid.

case closed, this is reality.

On the same note, im not actually against gun ownership (im still undecided)... because i have never felt the need to own a gun... but i like that if i ever did feel the need, its an option. And for me that marginal chance might be worth the added risk of death. I havent really parsed the numbers to make an educated decision. So im not gonna say guns are good or bad either way.

But yea guns dont prevent crime, they contribute in a massive fashion.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]more guns = more crime. anyone that claims otherwise is quite stupid. case closed, this is reality.Zeviander

what are the stats then?

that rural alabama has less gun crime than nyc? well no crap, its harder to ommit crimes when you have to drive 20 miles to do it.

How about this scenario... pack 50 yankee fans, and 50 red sox fans into a single bar... give them all free booze. If you give them all hand guns, im willing to bet there are gonna be more deaths than if none of them had hand guns.

Definitely. This is why America is crazy, so every bad guys there are expected to carry a gun. I don't get why the American government won't ban guns.

Americans are crazy!

Less idiots = less crime. Ghost_702

Definitely. This is why America is crazy, so every bad guys there are expected to carry a gun. I don't get why the American government won't ban guns.

Americans are crazy!

GamerwillzPS

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Definitely. This is why America is crazy, so every bad guys there are expected to carry a gun. I don't get why the American government won't ban guns.

Americans are crazy!

Inconsistancy

most guns used in crimes are purchased legally. so yea.

Like none of the guns used in criminal shootings are imported russian guns or something.

Thats like saying, if you make lawn darts illegal... then only criminals have lawn darts. Which is technically true, but how many criminals with lawn darts yu know these days? After about a decade, illegal lawn darts are basically non existent.

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[QUOTE="magicalclick"] That's one of the must painful failed video I watched. Any non-brain dead human can obtain black market guns if they want to. You are only blocking people who would only aquiring weapon through legal ways. It is like those crappy StarFroce pirate protection, ended with only pirate version of the game is playable. Just plain fail.thegerg

EDIT: Vermont's an odd state, by far the most liberterian/gun loving state in America. Whether or not guns or higher median income dictate lower crime rates I cannot say.

You seem to be very confused. The US does not have the highest rate of gun violence.

who does out of 1st world nations?

Go to compton and find out.

Its all about the people tho, in india everyone has a shotty in thier house but its peaceful as can be

wii60_3

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[QUOTE="thegerg"]

You seem to be very confused. The US does not have the highest rate of gun violence.

thegerg

who does out of 1st world nations?

but you said US doesnt have the highest rate of gun violence? now im confused.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"] I believe it's the US. Do your own research.thegerg

but you said US doesnt have the highest rate of gun violence? now im confused.

whos beating us? i need to know so i can shoot em

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

more guns = more crime.

anyone that claims otherwise is quite stupid.

case closed, this is reality.

On the same note, im not actually against gun ownership (im still undecided)... because i have never felt the need to own a gun... but i like that if i ever did feel the need, its an option. And for me that marginal chance might be worth the added risk of death. I havent really parsed the numbers to make an educated decision. So im not gonna say guns are good or bad either way.

But yea guns dont prevent crime, they contribute in a massive fashion.

thegerg

You seem to be very confused. Look at a nation like Switzerland. COmpare that nation's rate of gun ownership and crime rate to a place like South Africa. You will see that Switzerland has more guns but less crime.

Talk about stupid, huh?

switzerland is a tax haven, the economy built on tax evasion.

yea monoaco has a pretty awesome record too.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"]

You seem to be very confused. Look at a nation like Switzerland. COmpare that nation's rate of gun ownership and crime rate to a place like South Africa. You will see that Switzerland has more guns but less crime.

Talk about stupid, huh?

thegerg

switzerland is a tax haven, the economy built on tax evasion.

yea monoaco has a pretty awesome record too.

its ignoring socioeconomic status... which any real scientific study... wouldnt dare do.... because the results are known to be false.

and my post is correct, if you are pissed at someone... if you have a gun, are you more likely to shoot them, than if you didnt have a gun?

I think there's more to this debate than simply defending yourself and it involves the idea of being safe. I'm going to use 9/11 to make my point. First of all, when people have guns, everyone is equal to a police force weapons-wise and in a way, it makes that organization obsolete. At the same time that everyone can defend themselves, everyone can attack one another. Considering how destructive firearms are, that sounds like a dangerous place and everyone living there will know it. Let's take a part of this into a real world situation. To my knowledge, before 9/11 happened, police forces throughout the country as well as the military were not so overbearing upon the US population. People were generally happy and I believe one reason for that is because US soil had never seen a foreign attack. Eleven years later, we're in a state of heightened stress and anyone can tell with all the reports of police and civilian violence alike. Public unrest because of poor government management and increased police jurisdiction are only fueling the fire, so to speak.

With that in mind, you have to consider what's more important: Whether to have a higher level of safety and more stress, or less safety and perhaps even more. I'm not saying that the everyone in the US needs firearms or any weapon at all. However, I am saying that with great power comes great responsibility and in order to be fully responsible for such power, certain sacrifices may have to be made.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"] That doesn't change the fact that your post is stupid and simply incorrect. thegerg

its ignoring socioeconomic status... which any real scientific study... wouldnt dare do.... because the results are known to be false.

and my post is correct, if you are pissed at someone... if you have a gun, are you more likely to shoot them, than if you didnt have a gun?

whatever case you were trying to make about switzerland's gun ownership vs gun violence.

the gun ownership to gun violence rate in greenwich connecticut is probably lower.

why? because that assumption ignores factors like socieconomic status... do you really not understand what im saying, or are you playing dumb?

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[QUOTE="thegerg"] What is ignoring economic status? I'm certainly not ignoring anything, besides the fact that your post is incorrect. " if you are pissed at someone... if you have a gun, are you more likely to shoot them, than if you didnt have a gun?" That has nothing to do with your post. Anyway, I am not likely to unlawfully shoot anyone, regardless if I'm carrying a gun or not. thegerg

whatever case you were trying to make about switzerland's gun ownership vs gun violence.

the gun ownership to gun violence rate in greenwich connecticut is probably lower.

why? because that assumption ignores factors like socieconomic status... do you really not understand what im saying, or are you playing dumb?

"more guns = more crime.

anyone that claims otherwise is quite stupid.

case closed, this is reality."

That statement is simply incorrect. Plain and simple. I am ignoring nothing.

how is that statement incorrect? if i walk in on my wife having sex with my best friend, am i more likely to shoot someone if i have a gun, vs not having a gun?

without a gun, maybe a punch him... but punches are statistically less deadly than gunshot wounds.

Guns kill people that otherwise wouldnt get killed, this is fact... nobody is safer because of guns.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"] I believe it's the US. Do your own research.thegerg

but you said US doesnt have the highest rate of gun violence? now im confused.

I thought it did against other first world countries?

That is an aside however, your opinion on guns and using them on others is well known on the forum.

Except it's harder to get it on the black market than just going to a gun show. Much harder.

shakmaster13

No, it's easier. That's the fvcking point.

And Bowling for Columbine? You should be ashamed.

when guns were banned here the amount of gun crime decreased.

I've seen no evidence that guns prevent crime

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when guns were banned here the amount of gun crime decreased.

I've seen no evidence that guns prevent crime

thegerg

Well I just said that the amount of gun crime lowerd after the ban, but it was never that high compared to other countries.

when guns were banned here the amount of gun crime decreased.

I've seen no evidence that guns prevent crime

toast_burner

Where is this?

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when guns were banned here the amount of gun crime decreased.

I've seen no evidence that guns prevent crime

Necrifer

Where is this?

Cool, thanks.