More McViolence

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"]>he doesn't think that an abnormally high crime rate shows that a group generally tends towards committing an abnormally high amount of crime HAHAHAHAHNNNGH

A higher crime rate points to socio-economic factors. It doesn't say anything about black pople inherently.

Wow, you're sure trying hard to cling to negative stereotypes, foregoing all critical thought.Why is that? Why do feel the need to portray black folks this way?

So if you're not saying anything about black folks,why are arguing with me? Obviously, you have a problem with my defense of black folks?

More black people are in lower socio-economic positions, and therefore blacks have a higher cime rate. That doesn't say anything about the "behaviors" that some people in this thread are trying to attach to blacks.

This thread has certainly de-railed. The OP: That was awful. The worst part is I think I can hear the a hole that's filming this laughing to himself behind the camera. He/she also needs to be arrested.

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I really can't believe that people are acting like I'm the unreasonable one for shooting down blatant and in some case, racist,generalizations.

I mean, what if I said that most white people are stuck up or something like that? Would it be valid?

GreySeal9

And the people trying to act like black people have certain behaviors would have to define those in a testable way either. "Crime rate" does not define those in a testable way. Crime rate has more to do with socio-economic factors.

My point is obvious. The generalizations being made in this thread are no better and no more tangible than the one I made.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I really can't believe that people are acting like I'm the unreasonable one for shooting down blatant and in some case, racist,generalizations.

I mean, what if I said that most white people are stuck up or something like that? Would it be valid?

Necrifer

If you can provide some proof, yeah...

I've provided as much proof as the people I'm arguing with, which is to say, none.

A statement should not be considered valid until some actually proves it. Nobody has managed to prove that most black people have attitude problems or whatever.

What form would the proof be presented in for both my claims and the claims made in here?

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

There are alot of stuck people in general. Whiteness has nothing to do with it.

And also, I would have no way of supporting the claim that "most white people" are stuck up. Really, I wouldhave no way of making that observation.

GreySeal9

Of course you don't because you're not interested in looking beyond stereotypes.

People like stereotypes because they are "easy".

If i walk into a KFC and see that 90% of the crowd is african american. Using the sample size of this busy moment in KFC, i can then predict that many Black People like KFC.

Not saying I'm in KFC now, or that's happened. But there is something called "Sample Size" you should understand before questioning statistics.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Prove that black people have a tendency those negative behaviors.

If one can't prove that, the claim is invalid.

Generalizing black people in negative ways is racist whether you people want to admit it or not.

What if I said most white people are stuck up? What would you have to say to that?

GreySeal9

I mean, do you think there's something inherent in black people that make them act a certain way? If so, care to provide a link?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"]Obviously you'd need to define 'stuck-up' in some testable way. Then, if there were statistics suggesting that was the case, then yes. What exactly is your point?HNNNGH

And the people trying to act like black people have certain behaviors would have to define those in a testable way either. "Crime rate" does not define those in a testable way. Crime rate has more to do with socio-economic factors.

My point is obvious. The generalizations being made in this thread are no better and no more tangible than the one I made.

I didn't say it was untestable. When did I say that? Please show me.

I said that crime rate does not define "general behaviors" in a testable way. It only tests criminal acts, which is not neccesarily general behavior, but merely one act.

After all, some people in this thread were trying to use crime rates to justify the idea that black people have behavioral problems.

Before you tell people to piss off, you should make an effort to understand the context of the conservation.

Sometimes I think Grandma was right. Sometimes it seems the world really IS going to hell in a handbasket :(

Link (Please be advised that the end of this video is very graphic, disturbing and very hard to watch).

EDIT: Someone said the video is no longer there.......try HERE

All I can say is when they catch the two attackers, I hope they lock 'em up and throw away the key. I'm no lawyer, but I hope there is something that can be done by way as penalizing the employees as well as the idiot recording this on his phone (which he should have been using to call the cops immediately).

YellowOneKinobi

wtf... the guys just stand there doing nothing wtf is wrng with this world damnit!!

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

And the people trying to act like black people have certain behaviors would have to define those in a testable way either. "Crime rate" does not define those in a testable way. Crime rate has more to do with socio-economic factors.

My point is obvious. The generalizations being made in this thread are no better and no more tangible than the one I made.

GreySeal9

I didn't say it was untestable. When did I say that? Please show me.

I said that crime rate does not define "general behaviors" in a testable way. It only tests criminal acts, which is not neccesarily general behavior, but merely one act.

After all, some people in this thread were trying to use crime rates to justify the idea that black people have behavioral problems.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]

lol see. u just keep saying the same crap over and over. u didnt even read what i wrote. prove this prove that, the only proof u can see is the crime rates and stuff like that, for their behaviours u gotta notice it forurself. if u want proof of the crime rates and stuff like that go google it.but if it will make u happy, yeah fine im a racist lol i call it like it is. i dont care enough to write all that crap over again.

HNNNGH

I'm saying the same stuff because you're saying the same sutff over and over.

Crime rates is not proof o anything. If you think it is, you need to takea critical thinking class.

But if you had taken one, you might not be saying any of this stuff.

As for the behaviors, I've been around tons of black folks as I am half black. Just like any other race, there are nice black folks,mean ones, loud ones quiet ones, etc.

lmao. man u just keep going and going. i even said in the last post fine im a racist, and ur still goin lmao. at this point im done tryin to reason with u. u say the same crap over and over, and i say the same crap over and over cuz u didnt make any points. u ask for proof then say crime rate doesnt prove anyting blah blah blah. what the hell do u want. u say im hiding behind phrases, i could just say ur hiding behind all ur big words. u just keep going and going, u remind me of a black chick! hahahaha

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] So~ basically~ If I find you....a credible link on behavior, or say, you know, crime rate, would you be happies?Symphonycometh

I mean, do you think there's something inherent in black people that make them act a certain way? If so, care to provide a link?

Yes, I'm familiar and I admit that the black community does have its issues.

But there is no evidence supporting the idea that most black people act rowdy and thinking they're better than others or thinkig they're owed something and all the other garbage idunnodude was trying to peddle.

The only reason I asked you if you think there's something inherent is because you seem to be defending idunnodude, who is going beyond saying that there's problems in the community.

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'm saying the same stuff because you're saying the same sutff over and over.

Crime rates is not proof o anything. If you think it is, you need to takea critical thinking class.

But if you had taken one, you might not be saying any of this stuff.

As for the behaviors, I've been around tons of black folks as I am half black. Just like any other race, there are nice black folks,mean ones, loud ones quiet ones, etc.

idunnodude

lmao. man u just keep going and going. i even said in the last post fine im a racist, and ur still goin lmao. at this point im done tryin to reason with u. u say the same crap over and over, and i say the same crap over and over cuz u didnt make any points. u ask for proof then say crime rate doesnt prove anyting blah blah blah. what the hell do u want. u say im hiding behind phrases, i could just say ur hiding behind all ur big words. u just keep going and going, u remind me of a black chick! hahahaha

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"]What the **** are you talking about? Black people commit crime at a much higher rate than white people. That's not untestable; it's a simple fact, demonstrated repeatedly by statistics. Obviously this tells us nothing about the cause, but those facts are still there. Now piss off and stop wasting my time.Nibroc420

I didn't say it was untestable. When did I say that? Please show me.

I said that crime rate does not define "general behaviors" in a testable way. It only tests criminal acts, which is not neccesarily general behavior, but merely one act.

After all, some people in this thread were trying to use crime rates to justify the idea that black people have behavioral problems.

So if you think there's something "biological", you'll have no problem providing a link indicating that, right?

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'm saying the same stuff because you're saying the same sutff over and over.

Crime rates is not proof o anything. If you think it is, you need to takea critical thinking class.

But if you had taken one, you might not be saying any of this stuff.

As for the behaviors, I've been around tons of black folks as I am half black. Just like any other race, there are nice black folks,mean ones, loud ones quiet ones, etc.

idunnodude

lmao. man u just keep going and going. i even said in the last post fine im a racist, and ur still goin lmao. at this point im done tryin to reason with u. u say the same crap over and over, and i say the same crap over and over cuz u didnt make any points. u ask for proof then say crime rate doesnt prove anyting blah blah blah. what the hell do u want. u say im hiding behind phrases, i could just say ur hiding behind all ur big words. u just keep going and going, u remind me of a black chick! hahahaha

You're not trying to reason at all because you're hell bent on clinging to stereotypes for reasons I don't know.

As for the bolded, so now you're just trying to irritate me with your racism? That's scraping the bottom the barrel, don't you think?

The crime doesn't prove anything unless you can establish the sort of causation that would indicate that most black people act rowdy or like they or owed something or that they think they're better than other people. After all, you said these things, so how does the crime rate prove these things?

You say that I'm hiding behind big words. Do you have a problem with big words or something? Are you afraid of them?

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"]>he doesn't think that an abnormally high crime rate shows that a group generally tends towards committing an abnormally high amount of crime HAHAHAHASymphonycometh

lmao. man u just keep going and going. i even said in the last post fine im a racist, and ur still goin lmao. at this point im done tryin to reason with u. u say the same crap over and over, and i say the same crap over and over cuz u didnt make any points. u ask for proof then say crime rate doesnt prove anyting blah blah blah. what the hell do u want. u say im hiding behind phrases, i could just say ur hiding behind all ur big words. u just keep going and going, u remind me of a black chick! hahahaha

lol well whatever dude u know who im getting at lol

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Being around people in public supports the stereotypes I have.. I don't need to see a statistic on the news..Nibroc420

Of course you don't because you're not interested in looking beyond stereotypes.

People like stereotypes because they are "easy".

If i walk into a KFC and see that 90% of the crowd is african american. Using the sample size of this busy moment in KFC, i can then predict that many Black People like KFC.

Not saying I'm in KFC now, or that's happened. But there is something called "Sample Size" you should understand before questioning statistics.

Using the sample size a busy moment in one KFC is absurd. So don't lecture me about statistics because it's clear you don't understand them.

What statistics am I questioning? After, the people that I am arguing with didn't post anything but the crime rate, which I didn't disupute. I just said that it didn't prove thatfolks like idunnodue was trying to say.

After all, he claimed that black people thinking they are better than other people and rowdy and think theyare owed somethingamong other things.What statistics prove this?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I didn't say it was untestable. When did I say that? Please show me.

I said that crime rate does not define "general behaviors" in a testable way. It only tests criminal acts, which is not neccesarily general behavior, but merely one act.

After all, some people in this thread were trying to use crime rates to justify the idea that black people have behavioral problems.

GreySeal9

So if you think there's something "biological", you'll have no problem providing a link indicating that, right?

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"]>he doesn't think that an abnormally high crime rate shows that a group generally tends towards committing an abnormally high amount of crime HAHAHAHAGreySeal9

lmao. man u just keep going and going. i even said in the last post fine im a racist, and ur still goin lmao. at this point im done tryin to reason with u. u say the same crap over and over, and i say the same crap over and over cuz u didnt make any points. u ask for proof then say crime rate doesnt prove anyting blah blah blah. what the hell do u want. u say im hiding behind phrases, i could just say ur hiding behind all ur big words. u just keep going and going, u remind me of a black chick! hahahaha

You're not trying to reason at all because you're hell bent on clinging to stereotypes for reasons I don't know.

As for the bolded, so now you're just trying to irritate me with your racism? That's scraping the bottom the barrel, don't you think?

The crime doesn't prove anything unless you can establish the sort of causation that would indicate that most black people act rowdy or like they or owed something or that they think they're better than other people. After all, you said these things, so how does the crime rate prove these things?

You say that I'm hiding behind big words. Do you have a problem with big words or something? Are you afraid of them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqVeRknD5k&feature=related

While we're on the topic, I thought I'd repeat that there's a certain stereotype about Black males that I support~ :PSymphonycometh

Ha Ha. I support it too.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]

lmao. man u just keep going and going. i even said in the last post fine im a racist, and ur still goin lmao. at this point im done tryin to reason with u. u say the same crap over and over, and i say the same crap over and over cuz u didnt make any points. u ask for proof then say crime rate doesnt prove anyting blah blah blah. what the hell do u want. u say im hiding behind phrases, i could just say ur hiding behind all ur big words. u just keep going and going, u remind me of a black chick! hahahaha

idunnodude

You're not trying to reason at all because you're hell bent on clinging to stereotypes for reasons I don't know.

As for the bolded, so now you're just trying to irritate me with your racism? That's scraping the bottom the barrel, don't you think?

The crime doesn't prove anything unless you can establish the sort of causation that would indicate that most black people act rowdy or like they or owed something or that they think they're better than other people. After all, you said these things, so how does the crime rate prove these things?

You say that I'm hiding behind big words. Do you have a problem with big words or something? Are you afraid of them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqVeRknD5k&feature=related

So you've been reduced to trolling eh?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You do realize that not every aspect of a person's behavior isn't biological right? The environment and behaviors around them effect it as well.Nibroc420

So if you think there's something "biological", you'll have no problem providing a link indicating that, right?

So what exactly are you trying to say? That blacks have some kind of genetic predisosition to crime?

I mean, you might not be suggesting this, but it's hard to know when you beat around the bush like this.

So what are you trying to say about black genes?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So if you think there's something "biological", you'll have no problem providing a link indicating that, right?

GreySeal9

So what exactly are you trying to say? That blacks have some kind of genetic predisosition to crime?

I mean, you might not be suggesting this, but it's hard to know when you beat around the bush like this.

So what are you trying to say about black genes?

Lower income households often try to make ends meet by having 2 working parents. There are genes that influence bad behavior in general, regardless of race. However studies show that for these genes to do anything, it usually requires distant parents.

Low income = Both parents end up working

2 parents working = distant parents

Distant parents = possibility of bad behavior due to genes/other

From the second link. 20% of African Americans do not own an automobile while 91% of all Americans do. Many working class Black Americans struggle to obtain affordable housing. More than half of all African Americans rent and 53% of those spend more than 30% of their income for their rent.

Statistics like these suggest that African Americans are more likely to be in (or near) poverty levels. So while Genes that promote bad behavior are in everyone, the environments required are more prevalent in African American households.

TLDR version : Studies show blacks are poorer, and poorer people are more inclined to break laws.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]TLDR version : Studies show blacks are poorer, and poorer people are more inclined to break laws and be bad people in general.[/QUOTE]

Jesus Christ.

"Bad people in general" is so subjective and useless as far as trying to make any kind of statistical point. There is nothing indicated that poorer people are more likely to be "bad" people. After all, some of the most evil people are rich.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"TLDR version : Studies show blacks are poorer, and poorer people are more inclined to break laws and be bad people in general.[/QUOTE]

"Bad people in general" is so subjective and useless as far as trying to make any kind of statistical point. There is nothing indicated that poorer people are more likely to be "bad" people. After all, some of the most evil people are rich.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"TLDR version : Studies show blacks are poorer, and poorer people are more inclined to break laws and be bad people in general.[/QUOTE]

"Bad people in general" is so subjective and useless as far as trying to make any kind of statistical point. There is nothing indicated that poorer people are more likely to be "bad" people. After all, some of the most evil people are rich.

Nibroc420

Is this really your only response?

It's not a matter of me choosing the view the numbers in any way. It's a matter of you using phrases that you can't support with statistical data.

"Bad people in general" needs to be defined. It is a subjective statement that has no statistical backing.

and Videos such as the ones in this thread only further enforce the point.

Nibroc420

Good lord, no it doesn't. :lol:It's an isolated incident.

Why are you so desperate to connect this incident to other blacks?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/genes-may-contribute-to-a-childs-bad-behavior-but-only-when-parents-are-distant.html and FYI. http://www.blackdemographics.com/housing_poverty.html It's not JUST biological, being in a worse situation can also change one's perspective on Risk vs Reward. Leaning people who're below the poverty line into areas of crime.Nibroc420

So what exactly are you trying to say? That blacks have some kind of genetic predisosition to crime?

I mean, you might not be suggesting this, but it's hard to know when you beat around the bush like this.

So what are you trying to say about black genes?

From personal observation I can tell you that genetics has nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"TLDR version : Studies show blacks are poorer, and poorer people are more inclined to break laws and be bad people in general.[/QUOTE]

"Bad people in general" is so subjective and useless as far as trying to make any kind of statistical point. There is nothing indicated that poorer people are more likely to be "bad" people. After all, some of the most evil people are rich.

GreySeal9

Is this really your only response?

It's not a matter of me choosing the view the numbers in any way. It's a matter of you using phrases that you can't support with statistical data.

"Bad people in general" needs to be defined. It is a subjective statement that has no statistical backing.

How about i just remove that? We can go with "More likely to go into prison"

If you deny, do research, i really have no interest in restating facts so you dont have to read the proof i've provided.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So what exactly are you trying to say? That blacks have some kind of genetic predisosition to crime?

I mean, you might not be suggesting this, but it's hard to know when you beat around the bush like this.

So what are you trying to say about black genes?

gatorteen

From personal observation I can tell you that genetics has nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So what exactly are you trying to say? That blacks have some kind of genetic predisosition to crime?

I mean, you might not be suggesting this, but it's hard to know when you beat around the bush like this.

So what are you trying to say about black genes?

gatorteen

From personal observation I can tell you that genetics has nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] If you choose to view the numbers that way so be it. However it doesn't mean you see them correctly.Nibroc420

Is this really your only response?

It's not a matter of me choosing the view the numbers in any way. It's a matter of you using phrases that you can't support with statistical data.

"Bad people in general" needs to be defined. It is a subjective statement that has no statistical backing.

How about i just remove that? We can go with "More likely to go into prison"

If you deny, do research, i really have no interest in restating facts so you dont have to read the proof i've provided.

I never denied any stats. I'm just not applying them in the way that you wish to.

So why did you use the term "more likely to be bad people" in the first place? What was your agenda with that phrase?

You have no business lecturing anybody about research when you claimed that a single moment in a KFC would make for an appropriate sample.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Is this really your only response?

It's not a matter of me choosing the view the numbers in any way. It's a matter of you using phrases that you can't support with statistical data.

"Bad people in general" needs to be defined. It is a subjective statement that has no statistical backing.

GreySeal9

How about i just remove that? We can go with "More likely to go into prison"

If you deny, do research, i really have no interest in restating facts so you dont have to read the proof i've provided.

I never denied any stats. I'm just not applying them in the way that you wish to.

So why did you use the term "more likely to be bad people" in the first place? What was your agenda with that phrase?

You have no business lecturing anybody about research when you claimed that a single moment in a KFC would make for an appropriate sample.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Is this really your only response?

It's not a matter of me choosing the view the numbers in any way. It's a matter of you using phrases that you can't support with statistical data.

"Bad people in general" needs to be defined. It is a subjective statement that has no statistical backing.

GreySeal9

How about i just remove that? We can go with "More likely to go into prison"

If you deny, do research, i really have no interest in restating facts so you dont have to read the proof i've provided.

I never denied any stats. I'm just not applying them in the way that you wish to.

So why did you use the term "more likely to be bad people" in the first place? What was your agenda with that phrase?

You have no business lecturing anybody about research when you claimed that a single moment in a KFC would make for an appropriate sample.

Because saying straight up "Blacks are more likely to go to jail; because Blacks are generally poorer, and people from poorer families statistically go to jail more often than the rich do." Would be seen as a racist comment.

But there ya go 8)

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

How about i just remove that? We can go with "More likely to go into prison"

If you deny, do research, i really have no interest in restating facts so you dont have to read the proof i've provided.

Nibroc420

I never denied any stats. I'm just not applying them in the way that you wish to.

So why did you use the term "more likely to be bad people" in the first place? What was your agenda with that phrase?

You have no business lecturing anybody about research when you claimed that a single moment in a KFC would make for an appropriate sample.

Because saying straight up "Blacks are more likely to go to jail; because Blacks are generally poorer, and people from poorer families statistically go to jail more often than the rich do." Would be seen as a racist comment.

But there ya go 8)

Are you drunk or something.

"Black people are generally poorer" would be seen as racist, so you went with "more likey to be bad people." :lol:

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

How about i just remove that? We can go with "More likely to go into prison"

If you deny, do research, i really have no interest in restating facts so you dont have to read the proof i've provided.

HNNNGH

I never denied any stats. I'm just not applying them in the way that you wish to.

So why did you use the term "more likely to be bad people" in the first place? What was your agenda with that phrase?

You have no business lecturing anybody about research when you claimed that a single moment in a KFC would make for an appropriate sample.

Of course it depends on sample size, in which case the people in one KFC during one moment would not be sufficient.

Now KFC can be so busy thata single KFC at a single moment woul provide a good enough sample for the parameters of that particular population.

Also, simply being in a KFC says nothing about how often one eats chicken.

It was a ridiculous example and anybody who has even a basic understand of stats should not defend it.

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Not saying ANYTHING about Black genes in general. Lower income households often try to make ends meet by having 2 working parents. There are genes that influence bad behavior in general, regardless of race. However studies show that for these genes to do anything, it usually requires distant parents. Low income = Both parents end up working 2 parents working = distant parents Distant parents = possibility of bad behavior due to genes/other From the second link. 20% of African Americans do not own an automobile while 91% of all Americans do. Many working class Black Americans struggle to obtain affordable housing. More than half of all African Americans rent and 53% of those spend more than 30% of their income for their rent. Statistics like these suggest that African Americans are more likely to be in (or near) poverty levels. So while Genes that promote bad behavior are in everyone, the environments required are more prevalent in African American households. TLDR version : Studies show blacks are poorer, and poorer people are more inclined to break laws and be bad people in general.Nibroc420

From personal observation I can tell you that genetics has nothing to do with it.

Fair enough, but what exactly do these stats prove? That people behave worse because they are in a bad environment? Whether it's genetic or not, you are a product of your environment. I think everyone can agree on this.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I never denied any stats. I'm just not applying them in the way that you wish to.

So why did you use the term "more likely to be bad people" in the first place? What was your agenda with that phrase?

You have no business lecturing anybody about research when you claimed that a single moment in a KFC would make for an appropriate sample.

GreySeal9

Because saying straight up "Blacks are more likely to go to jail; because Blacks are generally poorer, and people from poorer families statistically go to jail more often than the rich do." Would be seen as a racist comment.

But there ya go 8)

Are you drunk or something.

"Black people are generally poorer" would be seen as racist, so you went with "more likey to be bad people." :lol:

Statistically Blacks are poorer. - Fact.

Genes that can be found in people of all races can influence bad behavior when that person is left alone. - Fact.

So, seeing as how statistically blacks are poorer, and poorer families generally have 2 sources of income to make ends meet. We can come to the the conclusion that the chance for said "Bad Genes" to shine is higher in black communities. As such, Black people are more likely than white people to end up with poor morals, and possibly end up in jail. Simply because of the environment they grow up in.

Poor people = more likely to be jerks

Blacks are statistically poorer. Meaning,

More Black Jerks.

EDIT: I'd like to point out i've got nothing against black people. And that if it were Whites who were in the poorest enviroments, the same would apply for them.

However statistics say it's blacks who're the poorest, and so i've got to follow the statistics ;)

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I never denied any stats. I'm just not applying them in the way that you wish to.

So why did you use the term "more likely to be bad people" in the first place? What was your agenda with that phrase?

You have no business lecturing anybody about research when you claimed that a single moment in a KFC would make for an appropriate sample.

GreySeal9

Of course it depends on sample size, in which case the people in one KFC during one moment would not be sufficient.

Now KFC can be so busy thata single KFC at a single moment woul provide a good enough sample for the parameters of that particular population.

Also, simply being in a KFC says nothing about how often one eats chicken.

It was a ridiculous example and anybody who has even a basic understand of stats should not defend it.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"]Depends how busy the KFC was at that moment; what really matters is sample size.HNNNGH

Of course it depends on sample size, in which case the people in one KFC during one moment would not be sufficient.

Now KFC can be so busy thata single KFC at a single moment woul provide a good enough sample for the parameters of that particular population.

Also, simply being in a KFC says nothing about how often one eats chicken.

It was a ridiculous example and anybody who has even a basic understand of stats should not defend it.

Not at all.

First of all, what region the KFC is in might play a factor.

Secondly, considering that the population parameters are "black peoplein general", 30 is a laughably small sample.

Thirdly, simply being in a KFC says nothing about the frequency of how often a given person visits a KFC, which is important in establishing that one likes KFC.

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Of course it depends on sample size, in which case the people in one KFC during one moment would not be sufficient.

Now KFC can be so busy thata single KFC at a single moment woul provide a good enough sample for the parameters of that particular population.

Also, simply being in a KFC says nothing about how often one eats chicken.

It was a ridiculous example and anybody who has even a basic understand of stats should not defend it.

GreySeal9

Not at all.

First of all, what region the KFC is in might play a factor.

Secondly, considering that the population parameters are "black peoplein general", 30 is a laughably small sample.

Thirdly, simply being in a KFC says nothing about the frequency of how often a given person visits a KFC, which is important in establishing that one likes KFC.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Because saying straight up "Blacks are more likely to go to jail; because Blacks are generally poorer, and people from poorer families statistically go to jail more often than the rich do." Would be seen as a racist comment.

But there ya go 8)

Nibroc420

Are you drunk or something.

"Black people are generally poorer" would be seen as racist, so you went with "more likey to be bad people." :lol:

Statistically Blacks are poorer. - Fact.

Genes that can be found in people of all races can influence bad behavior when that person is left alone. - Fact.

So, seeing as how statistically blacks are poorer, and poorer families generally have 2 sources of income to make ends meet. We can come to the the conclusion that the chance for said "Bad Genes" to shine is higher in black communities. As such, Black people are more likely than white people to end up with poor morals, and possibly end up in jail. Simply because of the environment they grow up in.

Poor people = more likely to be jerks

Blacks are statistically poorer. Meaning,

More Black Jerks.

EDIT: I'd like to point out i've got nothing against black people. And that if it were Whites who were in the poorest enviroments, the same would apply for them.

However statistics say it's blacks who're the poorest, and so i've got to follow the statistics ;)

People can view statistics in several different ways. Statisitcs can't talk for themselves. You are using stats to spread hate and draw conclusions that are general and not necessarily true.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"]Why wouldn't it? I can imagine there being maybe 30 people in a busy KFC. That's not a bad sample size. Not fantastic, but one could fairly confidently draw general conclusions from it.HNNNGH

Not at all.

First of all, what region the KFC is in might play a factor.

Secondly, considering that the population parameters are "black peoplein general", 30 is a laughably small sample.

Thirdly, simply being in a KFC says nothing about the frequency of how often a given person visits a KFC, which is important in establishing that one likes KFC.

But how are you going to prove that the sample is representative?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"]Why wouldn't it? I can imagine there being maybe 30 people in a busy KFC. That's not a bad sample size. Not fantastic, but one could fairly confidently draw general conclusions from it.HNNNGH

Not at all.

First of all, what region the KFC is in might play a factor.

Secondly, considering that the population parameters are "black peoplein general", 30 is a laughably small sample.

Thirdly, simply being in a KFC says nothing about the frequency of how often a given person visits a KFC, which is important in establishing that one likes KFC.

This is not true whatsoever.

That the sample is representative is more important, but that doesn't that picking an appropriate sample size for a given population is not important. Otherwise one could use the same sampling procedures in any context. If that was true, pollsters would not bother sampling thousands of people since 30 people, by your logic, would be sufficient.

There is simply no way that 30 people can be an appropriate sample for millions of people.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Are you drunk or something.

"Black people are generally poorer" would be seen as racist, so you went with "more likey to be bad people." :lol:

gatorteen

Statistically Blacks are poorer. - Fact.

Genes that can be found in people of all races can influence bad behavior when that person is left alone. - Fact.

So, seeing as how statistically blacks are poorer, and poorer families generally have 2 sources of income to make ends meet. We can come to the the conclusion that the chance for said "Bad Genes" to shine is higher in black communities. As such, Black people are more likely than white people to end up with poor morals, and possibly end up in jail. Simply because of the environment they grow up in.

Poor people = more likely to be jerks

Blacks are statistically poorer. Meaning,

More Black Jerks.

EDIT: I'd like to point out i've got nothing against black people. And that if it were Whites who were in the poorest enviroments, the same would apply for them.

However statistics say it's blacks who're the poorest, and so i've got to follow the statistics ;)

People can view statistics in several different ways. Statisitcs can't talk for themselves. You are using stats to spread hate and draw conclusions that are general and not necessarily true.

I'm not trying to spread hate at all. I'm simply reading statistics and forming thoughts logically. Then posting said logical conclusions.

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You're not following me at all

Statistically Blacks are poorer. - Fact.

Genes that can be found in people of all races can influence bad behavior when that person is left alone. - Fact.

So, seeing as how statistically blacks are poorer, and poorer families generally have 2 sources of income to make ends meet. We can come to the the conclusion that the chance for said "Bad Genes" to shine is higher in black communities. As such, Black people are more likely than white people to end up with poor morals, and possibly end up in jail. Simply because of the environment they grow up in.

Poor people = more likely to be jerks

Blacks are statistically poorer. Meaning,

More Black Jerks.

EDIT: I'd like to point out i've got nothing against black people. And that if it were Whites who were in the poorest enviroments, the same would apply for them.

However statistics say it's blacks who're the poorest, and so i've got to follow the statistics ;)

Nibroc420

People can view statistics in several different ways. Statisitcs can't talk for themselves. You are using stats to spread hate and draw conclusions that are general and not necessarily true.

I'm not trying to spread hate at all. I'm simply reading statistics and forming thoughts logically. Then posting said logical conclusions.

Yeah but what's the point? You proved that people raised in a bad environment are more prone to be jerks. I think we already knew that.

We can come to the the conclusion that the chance for said "Bad Genes" to shine is higher in black communities. As such, Black people are more likely than white people to end up with poor morals, and possibly end up in jail. Simply because of the environment they grow up in.Nibroc420

Environment can shape behavior, but it does not change genetic material. Morals have nothing to do with genes.

Are you even reading what you are writing?

Poor people = more likely to be jerks

Blacks are statistically poorer. Meaning,

More Black Jerks.Nibroc

You have no proven no correlation between "being a jerk" and "being poor".

Being a jerk is subjective and you have no statistics to back up "being a jerk".

EDIT: I'd like to point out i've got nothing against black people. And that if it were Whites who were in the poorest enviroments, the same would apply for them.

However statistics say it's blacks who're the poorest, and so i've got to follow the statistics ;)

Nibroc

How can you say you're following the statistics when equating being a jerk to being poorer?

How can you say you're following the statistics when you think that a single moment in a KFC can prove an adequate sample.

Before you "follow statistics", you need to have an adequate knowledge of them and their limitations. You can't establish the "degree of being a jerk" through stastistics.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

People can view statistics in several different ways. Statisitcs can't talk for themselves. You are using stats to spread hate and draw conclusions that are general and not necessarily true.

gatorteen

I'm not trying to spread hate at all. I'm simply reading statistics and forming thoughts logically. Then posting said logical conclusions.

Yeah but what's the point? You proved that people raised in a bad environment are more prone to be jerks. I think we already knew that.

He didn't prove that at all.

He didn't even define what "being a jerk" means in a statistical context.

Being a jerk is a subjective judgment.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="gatorteen"]

People can view statistics in several different ways. Statisitcs can't talk for themselves. You are using stats to spread hate and draw conclusions that are general and not necessarily true.

gatorteen

I'm not trying to spread hate at all. I'm simply reading statistics and forming thoughts logically. Then posting said logical conclusions.

Yeah but what's the point? You proved that people raised in a bad environment are more prone to be jerks. I think we already knew that.

And statistically Blacks are poorer and grow up in worse enviroments.

Wouldn't that in turn mean Blacks are more prone to being Jerks?

What makes that statement racist? I've got nothing against blacks, but am i not allowed to make statistically accurate statements without being called a bigot?