More Troubles for Obamacare

Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance shows that the administration knew that millions would lose their insurance even though Obama kept telling the public that they would be able to keep the insurance that they already had. This is on top of the rollout problems that are continually plague the Healthcare.gov website that individuals can go to to find health insurance.

Doctor choice in Obamacare? Not so much shows that insurance companies are restricting hospitals and doctors that insurance that meets the AFA standards. In other words, your favorite doctor might not be in the network of your new provider as well as your favorite hospital. You might have to buy more expensive insurance in order to use both.

To make matters worse, the people that the AFA is meant to help purchase insurance are the ones who will apparently pay the fine instead of buying insurance. This will cause problems due to the lack of funds that will be used from young people's plans to help pay for medical costs of older people.

And Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Plans Are.

Political objectives trumped operational objectives

The answer is that Obamacare wasn’t designed to help healthy people with average incomes get health insurance. It was designed to force those people to pay more for coverage, in order to subsidize insurance for people with incomes near the poverty line, and those with chronic or costly medical conditions.

But the laws’ supporters and enforcers don’t want you to know that, because it would violate the President’s incessantly repeated promise that nothing would change for the people that Obamacare doesn’t directly help. If you shop for Obamacare-based coverage without knowing if you qualify for subsidies, you might be discouraged by the law’s steep costs.

So, by analyzing your income first, if you qualify for heavy subsidies, the website can advertise those subsidies to you instead of just hitting you with Obamacare’s steep premiums. For example, the site could advertise plans that cost “$0″ or “$30″ instead of explaining that the plan really costs $200, and that you’re getting a subsidy of $200 or $170. But you’ll have to be at or near the poverty line to gain subsidies of that size; most people will either not qualify for a subsidy, or qualify for a small one that, net-net, doesn’t make up for the law’s cost hikes.

Are people still enamored with Obamacare? Are you going to buy insurance through the Healthcare.gov website?

I've known all of this for about a month. >_>

Well, not the reasons for Healthcare.gov being craptacular. >_>

*Points and laughs*

Yeah... Obamacare sucks...

Bu, bu, but Obama can't do any wrong....

@WhiteKnight77: Lol that reaching for the website crashing...

What can we say, Obama lied. He is crappy like that.

My dad was in the hospital the last few days. He's home now. I wonder how this effected him.

Affected maybe

My neighbor's insurance was cancelled because it doesn't cover maternal care. My neighbor and his wife(56 YEARS OLD) have kids but they are all living on their own now. Now they have have to pay bronze premium at 930 dollars a month because it doesn't cover maternal care, really. Three times their previous cost. On top of that, it doesn't cover their doctor so they have to switch.

It's like giving a paper bag to somebody you see in the street. The guy ask what's in the paper bag. And I say, "It's medical supplies." The guy does NOT WANT it, and yet you still threaten him to take the bag and pay you 100 dollars a month. If he didn't you will hunt him down and make him pay more. The guy ran off...And he left you wondering why people these days can't take a help these days.

Socialism at its maximum.

Americans are really pathetic in the way they oppose change, regardless of whether Obamacare is a good or a bad thing. The concept stands either way.

@GazaAli:

If a person is getting screwed heavily by these changes big time, he will oppose and complain about it, even if it's still standing. There is nothing pathetic about that.

I wonder if it's here to stay like Social Security.

Personally I'm just going to pay the fine. I can probably "fix" my taxes to get it free/cheap, but don't think I will.

I will not claim to be very knowledgeable on Obamacare, despite that I have a general idea about it and what people complain about. That's beside the point.

The idea is that Americans react to every little change this way. Obamacare, gun laws, gay marriage, tax policies and the list goes on and on. I think it has become practically impossible to change things or get anything done in the U.S.

I thought the ACA made sure every plan includes maternal care?

Like I said I'm not very knowledgeable on Obamacare but this sums up why the general rejection of it.

Nah, it's the implementations and the excessive cost for healthy or moderately healthy people. There's no reason a 20 year old who doesn't smoke or drink should pay $800 monthly.

Everyone is cool with taxes and social security; so socialism can't be the issue. It's probably just the stigma of the name "obamacare".

$800 monthly? Is that for a basic health care plan?

That was the silver plan for me in my city. I probably get screwed because Florida is full of disease ridden baby boomers, and illegal cubans who don't pay taxes.

Maybe Obamacare (or AFA) could work if our elected leaders and bureaucrats work on fixing and continuing to improve Obamacare over time. Obviously nothing's perfect the first time but considering this is the US government, I highly doubt anything will be done even if all the Republicans were sent to Mars or something.

They're tea partiers. Obamacare is perfect in every way and Obama should be president for, like, a million years.

Also, it's Bush's fault.

Damn. I just checked and the most expensive healthcare plan you can get here is $292 (converted from euros). Which is strange because the ACA is very similar to my country's healthcare system.

I think that's one of the complaints about the law, that it DOES require every plan to include maternal care and many people, particularly the elderly don't have any need for maternal care.

Also I think zpfluffy's complaint was that the neighbor's plan did not cover maternal care and because the UCA requires all plans to cover maternal care, the neighbor's insurance company cancelled the plan because of the UCA's provisions.

@zpluffy:

Obamacare, for all its faults is not "socialism at its maximum". They haven't yet confiscated people's land and forced them to work on a collective farm or factory, or required people to leave the town they're in with out a pass.

There are some good measures in the ACA, but there is also a lot of poorly thought out crap. The website debacle was just the result of poor planning. But the bigger issues are that some people are losing their insurance. They made the strong assertion that no one would lose their existing coverage, but that hasnt been the case. Lots of people have been dumped from their previous plans and are now finding their remaining options to be far more expensive. Wish they would have thought this out better. I like the idea of getting rid of the exclusion of pre-existing conditions and letting younger people stay on parents plans, but other stuff seemed rushed.

Man, it sounds like your healthcare systems really in a jam. What a shame there's no alternative system that works better and has been tested in other countries for years now.

Oh well.

Don't get wk started on Canada

No one knew that this was going to happen due to people wanting to ramrod the legislation through the voting process without reading it. That is the problem with lots of the legislation that is getting passed nowadays. Big bulky bills with garbage that no one wants to read, but should and it is hard to understand most of what is put in those bills.

Yes, the big issue is that Obama spent the last four years telling people that if they already had insurance, they could keep it. Now we are seeing that those previous policies are not grandfathered in and those with those policies are being dropped. It really is shameful that it is happening. Now he is telling those very people to go to the website that is broken to see if they qualify for subsidized insurance (which is another way to say taxpayer supported) through the site.

How is Canada's system working out for you guys?

i don't understand the whole create an account to view prices thing... i went to the site the other day just to poke around i was able to browse plans w/o having to enter any info beyond whether the policy was for myself or my family..

To take into account subsidies that you are eligible for.

@Ace6301: Just be happy the US is subsidizing the rest of the world's drug costs.

They should really just get a universal healthcare system.

No, he just can't take the blame for anything he does wrong and always blames somebody else. When something good happens even if it wasn't him, he takes credit.

@ristactionjakso: does anyone still think that Obama is supported 100% by the other side?

Even the tc has dropped that delusion

Yeah, Obamacare has a lot of problems. It would be so much easier if they took down the website altogether and just implemented universal healthcare like the rest of the modern world.

Bingo!

must be why the LAX false flag shooting happened.. gotta take the sheeps attention from obamacare

0/10

and building 7 was taken down by suicide pills!!

im definitely one of those millions. Got a letter from Regence saying that i had to pick a new plan and the cheapest plan was twice as much as I was paying. Total Bullshit~

QFT

We're not the only ones who are stubborn lol. Also, with regards to changes, the state governments themselves are doing more. Quite a bit of states are legalizing same-sex marriage and Washington and Colorado legalized the recreational use of marijuana, with foreign governments and the U.N. requesting the federal government to block those voter approved initiatives. So we're not as stubborn as you may think, just sayin.

Why state governments are more capable of passing legislations and making change happen? Because what you're saying makes kind of sense.

Because U.S. states have a certain degree of autonomy. They can pass their own laws as long it complies with the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights and other federal laws. I will point out that marijuana is still illegal under federal law but the federal government has decided not to enforce the law against those two states. Another reason for why state governments are more capable of passing legislation is because they just look after their state while the federal government looks after the republic as a whole. I will also add my own personal opinion as to why the federal government is so incapable of passing legislation is because the Democrats and Republicans are like chimpanzees in a zoo flinging feces at one another. I find both parties to be incompetent and they cater far too far to their side of the aisle when Americans are more towards the center than our politicians believe.

Yo wk. if you could implement a healthcare system how would it operate?

What would make WKcare what it is?

Cap the price of policies from the get go no matter what level of coverage there is. While Obamacare has instituted basic options for medical insurance policies, prices increased across the board because of it. Maybe have a cap of $150 for basic coverage that includes xrays, office visits, prescription programs, neo-natal care with a $5000 deductible. The next tier could be $200-$300 and a smaller deductible. Maybe a 3rd tier capped at $400 a month with the lowest deductible of maybe $1500. There are some things that Obamacare did get right, but the garbage that we see happening now is not the way to go. Make it affordable so there has to be no taxpayer subsidies as we are seeing now and most certainly do not fine people for not having it. At $150 a month, there is no reason why people could not afford it. Make it mandatory that employers have to offer medical insurance to everyone they employ (would keep part timers from having hours cut).

The above suggestions are just that, suggestions, but do not cost taxpayers anything.

Apparently, only 6 people signed up day one.

What what i've read/heard about it, if you're single and making less than 32k yearly, you get subsidies, and if you're married with 2 kids, and making less than 90k a year, you're still getting huge subsidies.

Not sure why the average 20 year old would be paying $800 a month

That's the quote given to me before the subsidies. Didn't bother filling out the application after that; I doubt they'll lower it enough to entice me to actually purchase something I don't need. It was also for the middle tier medical plan; the bronze plan is completely pointless.

WTF is the point in having a 50,000 deductible? I get no medical coverage until I come up with 50k - so I might as well not have medical coverage, and walk to the ER. I liked my old plan of paying $108 a month, Walmart $3 meds, and $40 co-pay prior to Obamacare.

I want Canada's option.

Canada's awesome

I make under 25k a year, and thus pay nothing for health care.

Edit: Mind you, it only covers emergencies.

Find a job with eye + dental benefits and you're golden

What happens if you get a disease that isn't an emergency?

Your proposal caps the prices without addressing any of the drivers of the cost. One of the biggest flaws of Obamacare is that it doesn't do enough to address those drivers, and this proposal removes even the few things it did to address them.