More Troubles for Obamacare

You have to change things because life and everything that's going on in it is of no static nature. If you're not moving forward then you necessarily moving backwards. The world changes radically by the day, the notion that you're not moving at all means you're moving backwards.

On the level of the state, if its not progressing, even if its institutions and policies are perceived to be beneficial and progressive enough, then stagnation and staleness are making their way on all level of public affairs and social order. It will be left behind while other states lead the way.

Why you gotta change things? As the saying goes if it ain't broke don't fix it. If things are working fine, why bother changing?

As Agent Phil Coulson says "People tend to confuse the words 'new' and 'improved'".

No. That was going to be the public option, but Republicans threw a conniption fit and it was thrown out.

The law passed with no Republican votes, might as well done whatever you wanted so you have no excuses.

The law passed with no Republican votes, might as well done whatever you wanted so you have no excuses.

Who is to say that "forwards" is any better than "backwards"?

No Republican votes? That's impressive, considering that it passed a Republican-controlled House of Representatives.

The us healthcare system prior to the changes the ACA made, was very much broken. It was the worst system in the developed world.

Without ever using the US health care system ever, how can you say it was broken?

Without ever using the US health care system ever, how can you say it was broken?

Because every study on healthcare systems has come to that conclusion. Besides, are you really trying to argue that it wasn't?

I never said it wasn't but you commenting on it when you haven't used it would be my commenting on the health care a doctor from The Netherlands takes care of sick patients by prescribing sleeping pills when someone was sick. As it is, I can say that drug laws over your way are screwy when I can buy hydrocortisone over the counter here in the US while I couldn't over there.

No one knew that this was going to happen due to people wanting to ramrod the legislation through the voting process without reading it. That is the problem with lots of the legislation that is getting passed nowadays. Big bulky bills with garbage that no one wants to read, but should and it is hard to understand most of what is put in those bills.

Yes, the big issue is that Obama spent the last four years telling people that if they already had insurance, they could keep it. Now we are seeing that those previous policies are not grandfathered in and those with those policies are being dropped. It really is shameful that it is happening. Now he is telling those very people to go to the website that is broken to see if they qualify for subsidized insurance (which is another way to say taxpayer supported) through the site.

...can anyone make sense of what he's saying?

Can you blame them? We basically have a major party in office that systematically wants to destroy the majority of government programs and who has called plans like this the break point to becoming a socialism.. This doesn't excuse the crap problem with many parts of the ACA plan, but some how suggest that "slow down to do this change" is just not realistic when we have a party that doesn't even want to do anything outside of dismantling and deregulating..

Don't know WFT are you talking about, Obamacare passed without a single GOP vote in favor.

So yeah, you should had done whatever the hell you wanted.

Are you dense?

I spent 3 months in The Netherlands. A coworker went to the doctor while I was there due to being sick. The doctor prescribed sleeping pills. What gives me the right to comment on how stupid that is when I didn't use the health care system there? What I did do is try to buy some hydrocortisone ointment, but was told I needed a prescription for it. O_O I can buy that stuff here in the US right over the counter with no prescription. That is something I can comment on. I think it stupid that a 1% solution ointment needs a prescription for it due to The Netherlands stupid drug laws.

Can you blame them? We basically have a major party in office that systematically wants to destroy the majority of government programs and who has called plans like this the break point to becoming a socialism.. This doesn't excuse the crap problem with many parts of the ACA plan, but some how suggest that "slow down to do this change" is just not realistic when we have a party that doesn't even want to do anything outside of dismantling and deregulating..

I'm not sure you follow politics with any actual depth.

LOL, I doubt you follow politics closer than I do but lets leave that aside. I understand your point which is kind of my point: liberals keep bitching about the public option thing many times blaming Republicans, just like Makaidos did "That was going to be the public option, but Republicans threw a conniption fit and it was thrown out." yet that part was thrown because it was too radical for many Democrats let alone Republicans. And that is that.

Obamacare is Obama's only legecy

Well, that, and these couple other things.

It's spelled "legacy," by the way.

@GazaAli: forced purchase of a product at higher prices and with less benefit stands on its own?

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2319992

religion and math do not mix, and its no wonder so many ideologues are poor and forever will be, they are incapable of anything other than their own assumed conclusion.

Without ever using the US health care system ever, how can you say it was broken?

Yeah Obama sure did a lot of good things in his tenure. I guess I misjudged the guy for the good he have done.

The law passed with no Republican votes, might as well done whatever you wanted so you have no excuses.

Name one good thing he's done.

Wrong.. Moderate Republicans like Olympia Snowe voted for it..

Except you are either a ignoramus or a liar. Here is the official final tally for the passage vote for Obamacare on the Senate.

Show me where Olympia Snowe voted for it. Show me where any Republican voted for it.

Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance shows that the administration knew that millions would lose their insurance even though Obama kept telling the public that they would be able to keep the insurance that they already had. This is on top of the rollout problems that are continually plague the Healthcare.gov website that individuals can go to to find health insurance.

Doctor choice in Obamacare? Not so much shows that insurance companies are restricting hospitals and doctors that insurance that meets the AFA standards. In other words, your favorite doctor might not be in the network of your new provider as well as your favorite hospital. You might have to buy more expensive insurance in order to use both.

To make matters worse, the people that the AFA is meant to help purchase insurance are the ones who will apparently pay the fine instead of buying insurance. This will cause problems due to the lack of funds that will be used from young people's plans to help pay for medical costs of older people.

And Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Plans Are.

Political objectives trumped operational objectives

The answer is that Obamacare wasn’t designed to help healthy people with average incomes get health insurance. It was designed to force those people to pay more for coverage, in order to subsidize insurance for people with incomes near the poverty line, and those with chronic or costly medical conditions.

But the laws’ supporters and enforcers don’t want you to know that, because it would violate the President’s incessantly repeated promise that nothing would change for the people that Obamacare doesn’t directly help. If you shop for Obamacare-based coverage without knowing if you qualify for subsidies, you might be discouraged by the law’s steep costs.

So, by analyzing your income first, if you qualify for heavy subsidies, the website can advertise those subsidies to you instead of just hitting you with Obamacare’s steep premiums. For example, the site could advertise plans that cost “$0″ or “$30″ instead of explaining that the plan really costs $200, and that you’re getting a subsidy of $200 or $170. But you’ll have to be at or near the poverty line to gain subsidies of that size; most people will either not qualify for a subsidy, or qualify for a small one that, net-net, doesn’t make up for the law’s cost hikes.

Are people still enamored with Obamacare? Are you going to buy insurance through the Healthcare.gov website?

I think any healthcare system that sells healthcare as a commodity is beyond broken.

He's going to reply with a long-winded post about how health care isn't a right.

No, he just can't take the blame for anything he does wrong and always blames somebody else. When something good happens even if it wasn't him, he takes credit.

Obama's performance so far has been vastly superior to anything Ron Paul could have achieved in practically every way. Of course, you're an irrational GOP fanatic who's basically wrong about everything so it's not surprising that you would prefer shitty candidates like Ron "Austerity and Gold" Paul.

I was being sarcastic :) but yes, you nailed it. And why is he not "in the loop" when the bad sh!t goes down? He "never knew" about Benghazi, Fast and Furious ect. Isn't the president and should know about these things?

Bottom line he knows about everything that goes on, he just lies about it and people eat his lies up. Bunch of sheeple.

O geez. I bet if Obama went live on tv and said sh!t tastes good, you would be the first person outside eating dog sh!t and loving it.

O geez. I bet if Obama went live on tv and said sh!t tastes good, you would be the first person outside eating dog sh!t and loving it.

Saying Obama is better than anyone is a lie. You lie like your false president. He lies about everything and you still think he's the bee's knees. It's like you would eat a mile of sh!t if it led to Obama's asz so you can kiss it.