Muslim Woman poses for Playboy, Receives Death Threats

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#501 iloverikku11
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="m25105"]

So it's sexist for wanting to not have anyone know what your partner looks like when they're naked?

m25105

No, the whole "women need to cloth themselves head to toe so I don't have naughty thoughts", now that's sexist. It must be AWESOME to be a woman in a conservative Muslim country.

Dressing modestly doesn't mean wearing a burqa. Perhaps you would preferit if women ran around in g-strings or string bikinis instead?


why not let them wear what they want instead of making them wear anything? :o

Women making decisions, it's preposterous.

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#502 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="m25105"]

So it's sexist for wanting to not have anyone know what your partner looks like when they're naked?

m25105

No, the whole "women need to cloth themselves head to toe so I don't have naughty thoughts", now that's sexist. It must be AWESOME to be a woman in a conservative Muslim country.

Dressing modestly doesn't mean wearing a burqa. Perhaps you would prefer it if women ran around in g-strings or string bikinis instead?

Hell if they want to more power to them. Modesty is flimsy at best, especially when it's a relative term that can be twisted to mean different things.
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#504 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Of course there was, but it was probably not as common as it is today.

m25105

Don't fool yourself. It's always been common, just not as reported as it is now.

I disagree. Divorce rates is up massively in the Western world the last 40 years, how come it wasn't back then? You can go back to the comment you said before "not as reported" and I can say "How would you know?".

When you're walking down the street with your partner and you without really wanting it, check out a girls chest or behind, you're going to be in deep trouble if your partner is the jealous kind. Other than that I don't like the idea of men gogling a woman I'm with. Me being naked and her being naked, should be for ourselves only to enjoy, not for the rest of the world.

- Did you know that financial issues are the most commonly stated reason for divorce? - And that is why I don't date jealous women.
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#505 Birdy09
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[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Sexual Attraction is wrong why? Its how we breed and find love. So if you guys prevent good things based on only the negative aspects how do you ever find joy in life? by believeing you will go somewhere better in the afterlife?Birdy09

There is nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman, but when you're sexually attracted to another woman while in relationship, then there is something wrong. That can be avoided easily if more women dressed modestly instead of wearing low cut shirts that says "Hello world, these are my breasts".

I don't see what's so hard to understand about this concept.

I understand the concept but it doesnt make sense, as natural selection goes there will very likely always be a woman around that you will meet that is more physically attractive than your partner, doesnt mean your going to cheat, if you do THEN you should be punished, but covering people up to avoid it doesnt do anything but create these negative stereotypes about your chosen culture. Im sexually attracted to other woman and my girlfreind knows it, and vice versa, but we love eachother which in turn means we dont pursue any sexual attraction for anyone else. Cant deny our basic instincts, just show the willpower instead of censoring everything.

I guess you decided to ignore my response, that only empowers my point tbh. you ae lying to yourself if you believe your not attracted to other woman while in a relationship, do muslim men need an excuse for everything but thier own weakness? if they cant resist other woman showing abit of skin then thats THIER problem, not the womans,
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#506 m25105
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[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="m25105"]

There is nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman, but when you're sexually attracted to another woman while in relationship, then there is something wrong. That can be avoided easily if more women dressed modestly instead of wearing low cut shirts that says "Hello world, these are my breasts".

I don't see what's so hard to understand about this concept.

Birdy09

I understand the concept but it doesnt make sense, as natural selection goes there will very likely always be a woman around that you will meet that is more physically attractive than your partner, doesnt mean your going to cheat, if you do THEN you should be punished, but covering people up to avoid it doesnt do anything but create these negative stereotypes about your chosen culture. Im sexually attracted to other woman and my girlfreind knows it, and vice versa, but we love eachother which in turn means we dont pursue any sexual attraction for anyone else. Cant deny our basic instincts, just show the willpower instead of censoring everything.

I guess you decided to ignore my response, that only empowers my point tbh. you ae lying to yourself if you believe your not attracted to other woman while in a relationship, do muslim men need an excuse for everything but thier own weakness? if they cant resist other woman showing abit of skin then thats THIER problem, not the womans,

I already answered your question, since basically every poster is asking me the same question.

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#507 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] Don't fool yourself. It's always been common, just not as reported as it is now.worlock77

I disagree. Divorce rates is up massively in the Western world the last 40 years, how come it wasn't back then? You can go back to the comment you said before "not as reported" and I can say "How would you know?".

When you're walking down the street with your partner and you without really wanting it, check out a girls chest or behind, you're going to be in deep trouble if your partner is the jealous kind. Other than that I don't like the idea of men gogling a woman I'm with. Me being naked and her being naked, should be for ourselves only to enjoy, not for the rest of the world.

- Did you know that financial issues are the most commonly stated reason for divorce? - And that is why I don't date jealous women.

Turkey is financially in a much better situation (yes I know you mean the finance in a marriage) then most middle eastern (if not all) countries. Women have had voting rights for over 80 years and still the divorce rate is low. In Turkey if you walk down the street, yes some women do show a bit of legs, but it isn't bad. They usually still manage to dress in a way that's modestly (most of them at least).

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Birdy09"] I understand the concept but it doesnt make sense, as natural selection goes there will very likely always be a woman around that you will meet that is more physically attractive than your partner, doesnt mean your going to cheat, if you do THEN you should be punished, but covering people up to avoid it doesnt do anything but create these negative stereotypes about your chosen culture. Im sexually attracted to other woman and my girlfreind knows it, and vice versa, but we love eachother which in turn means we dont pursue any sexual attraction for anyone else. Cant deny our basic instincts, just show the willpower instead of censoring everything.m25105

I guess you decided to ignore my response, that only empowers my point tbh. you ae lying to yourself if you believe your not attracted to other woman while in a relationship, do muslim men need an excuse for everything but thier own weakness? if they cant resist other woman showing abit of skin then thats THIER problem, not the womans,

I already answered your question, since basically every poster is asking me the same question.

No you havnt, you have dodged the subtle differences that make a large difference, but that seems to be all you defenders do in this thread, you dont anwser the full sentances, you select a point and ignore the rest. 1) I openly accept that myself AND my girlfreind are physically attracted to others, yet we have no intention of pursueing because our connection is more important, now why cant your men think like this instead of cover up thier woman. 2) Would I rather 5 layers of clothing on my woman(plural) or g strings and bikinis? depends on the weather, but they are defiantly more attractive in the latter, so whats wrong with that? what would I rather look at walking down the street, a walking tent or a fine womanly figure? I think the answer is obvious? just like woman would like to see an attractive man walk down the street, topless even. big deal, looks are important in life like anything else. 3) Youve said we are ignorant, yet we have acknowledged your side of the fence, now its about time you looked objectivly and saw our point of view as valid aswell, we dont cause any harm, woman can do what they like here and present themselves how they like. why should that be the womans fault if a man is tempted away? ITS HIS DAMN FAULT.
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Wow. That is way to extreme. I dont understand their problems with it. Okay, it is part of their faith to cover themselves up, but killing her because of it? That is going way to far, regardless of what you believe in.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="m25105"]

I disagree. Divorce rates is up massively in the Western world the last 40 years, how come it wasn't back then? You can go back to the comment you said before "not as reported" and I can say "How would you know?".

When you're walking down the street with your partner and you without really wanting it, check out a girls chest or behind, you're going to be in deep trouble if your partner is the jealous kind. Other than that I don't like the idea of men gogling a woman I'm with. Me being naked and her being naked, should be for ourselves only to enjoy, not for the rest of the world.

m25105

- Did you know that financial issues are the most commonly stated reason for divorce? - And that is why I don't date jealous women.

Turkey is financially in a much better situation (yes I know you mean the finance in a marriage) then most middle eastern (if not all) countries. Women have had voting rights for over 80 years and still the divorce rate is low. In Turkey if you walk down the street, yes some women do show a bit of legs, but it isn't bad. They usually still manage to dress in a way that's modestly (most of them at least).

Ok, but none of that really addresses what I posted.
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#511 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] I guess you decided to ignore my response, that only empowers my point tbh. you ae lying to yourself if you believe your not attracted to other woman while in a relationship, do muslim men need an excuse for everything but thier own weakness? if they cant resist other woman showing abit of skin then thats THIER problem, not the womans,Birdy09

I already answered your question, since basically every poster is asking me the same question.

No you havnt, you have dodged the subtle differences that make a large difference, but that seems to be all you defenders do in this thread, you dont anwser the full sentances, you select a point and ignore the rest. 1) I openly accept that myself AND my girlfreind are physically attracted to others, yet we have no intention of pursueing because our connection is more important, now why cant your men think like this instead of cover up thier woman. 2) Would I rather 5 layers of clothing on my woman(plural) or g strings and bikinis? depends on the weather, but they are defiantly more attractive in the latter, so whats wrong with that? what would I rather look at walking down the street, a walking tent or a fine womanly figure? I think the answer is obvious? just like woman would like to see an attractive man walk down the street, topless even. big deal, looks are important in life like anything else. 3) Youve said we are ignorant, yet we have acknowledged your side of the fence, now its about time you looked objectivly and saw our point of view as valid aswell, we dont cause any harm, woman can do what they like here and present themselves how they like. why should that be the womans fault if a man is tempted away? ITS HIS DAMN FAULT.

I haven't written any where you lot are ignorant, that's you putting words in my posts. Maybe you just don't get it that a large part of the world values of consertative dressing. Of course I'm sexually attracted to women, what's your point? That I'm a man?

Maybe you need to understand that many people don't like the idea of people open displaying their sexuality and half naked bodies in public. That some people appreciate sex when it's alone and in private as well as being nude. The world doesn't revolve around your ideals.

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#512 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] - Did you know that financial issues are the most commonly stated reason for divorce? - And that is why I don't date jealous women.worlock77

Turkey is financially in a much better situation (yes I know you mean the finance in a marriage) then most middle eastern (if not all) countries. Women have had voting rights for over 80 years and still the divorce rate is low. In Turkey if you walk down the street, yes some women do show a bit of legs, but it isn't bad. They usually still manage to dress in a way that's modestly (most of them at least).

Ok, but none of that really addresses what I posted.

So what do you attribute it to it, cultural differences?

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#513 m25105
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Wow. That is way to extreme. I dont understand their problems with it. Okay, it is part of their faith to cover themselves up, but killing her because of it? That is going way to far, regardless of what you believe in.

Kurezan

People threaten to kill game developers too, when they don't meet up to their expectations. The difference between her and Theo van Gogh, was that Gogh had verses of the Quran written on a naked woman. She, was trying to stick it to her parents. And that kebap shop owner said "If it was MY (keyword here is my) daughter he would kill her". She's paying her price for pulling that stupid stunts by her parents cutting contact with her.

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#514 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Turkey is financially in a much better situation (yes I know you mean the finance in a marriage) then most middle eastern (if not all) countries. Women have had voting rights for over 80 years and still the divorce rate is low. In Turkey if you walk down the street, yes some women do show a bit of legs, but it isn't bad. They usually still manage to dress in a way that's modestly (most of them at least).

m25105

Ok, but none of that really addresses what I posted.

So what do you attribute it to it, cultural differences?

Huh? I stated that the leading cause of divorce was financial issues (at least in the US). You posted that Turkey was financially well off and that divorce there was lower. If anything what you posted supports my point.
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[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="m25105"]

I already answered your question, since basically every poster is asking me the same question.

m25105

No you havnt, you have dodged the subtle differences that make a large difference, but that seems to be all you defenders do in this thread, you dont anwser the full sentances, you select a point and ignore the rest. 1) I openly accept that myself AND my girlfreind are physically attracted to others, yet we have no intention of pursueing because our connection is more important, now why cant your men think like this instead of cover up thier woman. 2) Would I rather 5 layers of clothing on my woman(plural) or g strings and bikinis? depends on the weather, but they are defiantly more attractive in the latter, so whats wrong with that? what would I rather look at walking down the street, a walking tent or a fine womanly figure? I think the answer is obvious? just like woman would like to see an attractive man walk down the street, topless even. big deal, looks are important in life like anything else. 3) Youve said we are ignorant, yet we have acknowledged your side of the fence, now its about time you looked objectivly and saw our point of view as valid aswell, we dont cause any harm, woman can do what they like here and present themselves how they like. why should that be the womans fault if a man is tempted away? ITS HIS DAMN FAULT.

I haven't written any where you lot are ignorant, that's you putting words in my posts. Maybe you just don't get it that a large part of the world values of consertative dressing. Of course I'm sexually attracted to women, what's your point? That I'm a man?

Maybe you need to understand that many people don't like the idea of people open displaying their sexuality and half naked bodies in public. That some people appreciate sex when it's alone and in private as well as being nude. The world doesn't revolve around your ideals.

I have mixed you up with the other guy with the ignorant comment, apologies for that. :P I see your point, but the whole "some people value this and that" has to go both ways, which is our point. if people in your culture prefer Conservative dressing, it doesnt mean they should be allowed to enforce on everyone around them, especially if its geared towards on sex only.
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#516 worlock77
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[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="m25105"]

I already answered your question, since basically every poster is asking me the same question.

m25105

No you havnt, you have dodged the subtle differences that make a large difference, but that seems to be all you defenders do in this thread, you dont anwser the full sentances, you select a point and ignore the rest. 1) I openly accept that myself AND my girlfreind are physically attracted to others, yet we have no intention of pursueing because our connection is more important, now why cant your men think like this instead of cover up thier woman. 2) Would I rather 5 layers of clothing on my woman(plural) or g strings and bikinis? depends on the weather, but they are defiantly more attractive in the latter, so whats wrong with that? what would I rather look at walking down the street, a walking tent or a fine womanly figure? I think the answer is obvious? just like woman would like to see an attractive man walk down the street, topless even. big deal, looks are important in life like anything else. 3) Youve said we are ignorant, yet we have acknowledged your side of the fence, now its about time you looked objectivly and saw our point of view as valid aswell, we dont cause any harm, woman can do what they like here and present themselves how they like. why should that be the womans fault if a man is tempted away? ITS HIS DAMN FAULT.

I haven't written any where you lot are ignorant, that's you putting words in my posts. Maybe you just don't get it that a large part of the world values of consertative dressing. Of course I'm sexually attracted to women, what's your point? That I'm a man?

Maybe you need to understand that many people don't like the idea of people open displaying their sexuality and half naked bodies in public. That some people appreciate sex when it's alone and in private as well as being nude. The world doesn't revolve around your ideals.

And the world doesn't revolve around your ideas ether.
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[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] No you havnt, you have dodged the subtle differences that make a large difference, but that seems to be all you defenders do in this thread, you dont anwser the full sentances, you select a point and ignore the rest. 1) I openly accept that myself AND my girlfreind are physically attracted to others, yet we have no intention of pursueing because our connection is more important, now why cant your men think like this instead of cover up thier woman. 2) Would I rather 5 layers of clothing on my woman(plural) or g strings and bikinis? depends on the weather, but they are defiantly more attractive in the latter, so whats wrong with that? what would I rather look at walking down the street, a walking tent or a fine womanly figure? I think the answer is obvious? just like woman would like to see an attractive man walk down the street, topless even. big deal, looks are important in life like anything else. 3) Youve said we are ignorant, yet we have acknowledged your side of the fence, now its about time you looked objectivly and saw our point of view as valid aswell, we dont cause any harm, woman can do what they like here and present themselves how they like. why should that be the womans fault if a man is tempted away? ITS HIS DAMN FAULT.worlock77

I haven't written any where you lot are ignorant, that's you putting words in my posts. Maybe you just don't get it that a large part of the world values of consertative dressing. Of course I'm sexually attracted to women, what's your point? That I'm a man?

Maybe you need to understand that many people don't like the idea of people open displaying their sexuality and half naked bodies in public. That some people appreciate sex when it's alone and in private as well as being nude. The world doesn't revolve around your ideals.

And the world doesn't revolve around your ideas ether.

If it did I would be living in a palace.
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#518 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="m25105"]

I haven't written any where you lot are ignorant, that's you putting words in my posts. Maybe you just don't get it that a large part of the world values of consertative dressing. Of course I'm sexually attracted to women, what's your point? That I'm a man?

Maybe you need to understand that many people don't like the idea of people open displaying their sexuality and half naked bodies in public. That some people appreciate sex when it's alone and in private as well as being nude. The world doesn't revolve around your ideals.

m25105

And the world doesn't revolve around your ideas ether.

If it did I would be living in a palace.

The point is: do as you wish with your life, let others do as they wish with theirs.

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[QUOTE="johny300"]If this was my daughter i would never want to see her again.lazerface216

well that's just sad. let's hope you never have kids (which for some reason i'm sure there's a good chance you won't :P)

So are you ok if your daughter did the same thing this woman did ? because i sure am not, this is not allowed in muslims relegion, so i would understand if any father never wanted to see his daughter again.
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#520 worlock77
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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="johny300"]If this was my daughter i would never want to see her again.johny300

well that's just sad. let's hope you never have kids (which for some reason i'm sure there's a good chance you won't :P)

So are you ok if your daughter did the same thing this woman did ? because i sure am not, this is not allowed in muslims relegion, so i would understand if any father never wanted to see his daughter again.

You'd seriously let your own ego destroy your relationship with your child?

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Damn, my kind looks pretty afterall :P!
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[QUOTE="johny300"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

well that's just sad. let's hope you never have kids (which for some reason i'm sure there's a good chance you won't :P)

worlock77

So are you ok if your daughter did the same thing this woman did ? because i sure am not, this is not allowed in muslims relegion, so i would understand if any father never wanted to see his daughter again.

You'd seriously let your own ego destroy your relationship with your child?

What ego ? like i said in Muslims relegion this is not allowed, you don't understand, this is not taken lightly in Muslims countries.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="johny300"] So are you ok if your daughter did the same thing this woman did ? because i sure am not, this is not allowed in muslims relegion, so i would understand if any father never wanted to see his daughter again.johny300

You'd seriously let your own ego destroy your relationship with your child?

What ego ? like i said in Muslims relegion this is not allowed, you don't understand, this is not taken lightly in Muslims countries.

Says who? You? last I checked the religion of Islam is wide spread with quite a bit of different interpretations.. If you let this get in your way of a child, your family that can be depended on and loved through out your life, your far worse than the person your disowning quite frankly.

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#524 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="johny300"] So are you ok if your daughter did the same thing this woman did ? because i sure am not, this is not allowed in muslims relegion, so i would understand if any father never wanted to see his daughter again.johny300

You'd seriously let your own ego destroy your relationship with your child?

What ego ? like i said in Muslims relegion this is not allowed, you don't understand, this is not taken lightly in Muslims countries.

Seeking to control your adult child by insisting they do as you wish them to, not as they themselves wish, is nothing but a product of ego.

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Damn, my kind looks pretty afterall :P!KeizerHalil

Hmm? What do you mean your kind. That she's female, Turkish, "Muslim"?

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#526 johny300
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[QUOTE="johny300"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

You'd seriously let your own ego destroy your relationship with your child?

worlock77

What ego ? like i said in Muslims relegion this is not allowed, you don't understand, this is not taken lightly in Muslims countries.

Seeking to control your adult child by insisting they do as you wish them to, not as they themselves wish, is nothing but a product of ego.

Not controlling i'm raising my children to not be like this woman, you don't tell me how i raise them, your ok with what she did i'm not we all have opinons on this.
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="johny300"] What ego ? like i said in Muslims relegion this is not allowed, you don't understand, this is not taken lightly in Muslims countries.johny300

Seeking to control your adult child by insisting they do as you wish them to, not as they themselves wish, is nothing but a product of ego.

Not controlling i'm raising my children to not be like this woman, you don't tell me how i raise them, your ok with what she did i'm not we all have opinons on this.

No one is telling you how to raise your children, but don't expect your self to be free of cirticism in how many would seem as hypocritical and misguided.

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#528 auron_16
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"A kebab shop owner..." :lol:
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#529 GameJunkie13901
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ah the joys of extremists

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#531 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="johny300"] What ego ? like i said in Muslims relegion this is not allowed, you don't understand, this is not taken lightly in Muslims countries.johny300

Seeking to control your adult child by insisting they do as you wish them to, not as they themselves wish, is nothing but a product of ego.

Not controlling i'm raising my children to not be like this woman, you don't tell me how i raise them, your ok with what she did i'm not we all have opinons on this.

I'm not presuming to tell you how to raise your child, but what part of "adult" do you not comprehend?

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#532 kev_stevens67
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I will never understand how someone could kill their own daughter or disown them for this. I would not want my daughter to pose for PB either and she would know full well I would not be pleased, but I could never kill her or disown her. She would still be welcome in our home.

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#533 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="johny300"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

You'd seriously let your own ego destroy your relationship with your child?

blaze_adeel

What ego ? like i said in Muslims relegion this is not allowed, you don't understand, this is not taken lightly in Muslims countries.

well atleast this guy knows something about Islam unlike most of u trolls who dont know first thing about Islam and its culture .And are basing their judgement on Muslims and Islam on false assumptions over the top speculations and reports from biased western media

If anything amusingly enough this is exactly the way the Western Media protrays Islam and the culture behind it.. As extremely consevativie, patriarchal, riggid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo.. I would like to know your guys thoughts on homosexuals.

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#534 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="m25105"] My point is that I don't see any reason why anyone should be jealous. Personally I find women you meet walking down the street much hotter than any of these so called super models and actors (well maybe except for Salma Hayek). I don't understand why anyone would want to be with a woman, that half the world has seen naked. Being nude should happen in private, makes it more special.m25105

What is inherently special about the naked human form that means it should be covered up?

Sexual attraction, jealousy, adultery, uncomfortable situations.

All of which would occur because of the actions of another. So you force a dress code on one individual because of the possible actions of another? Should not the individual be responsible for their own actions and not put the responsibility on another?
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#535 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] What is inherently special about the naked human form that means it should be covered up?LJS9502_basic

Sexual attraction, jealousy, adultery, uncomfortable situations.

All of which would occur because of the actions of another. So you force a dress code on one individual because of the possible actions of another? Should not the individual be responsible for their own actions and not put the responsibility on another?

What I never understood is the fact that people feel the need to punish those who break a tenent of god that is not necessarly within secular law.. I mean isn't a sin between the perpatraitor and god themselves? To me it shows a severe arrogance in people thinking they know best what to do with the person who committed a supposed sin, when really shouldn't it always be god? (note this is for things out side of secular law of course, such as the current topic).

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#536 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Sexual attraction, jealousy, adultery, uncomfortable situations.

sSubZerOo

All of which would occur because of the actions of another. So you force a dress code on one individual because of the possible actions of another? Should not the individual be responsible for their own actions and not put the responsibility on another?

What I never understood is the fact that people feel the need to punish those who break a tenent of god that is not necessarly within secular law.. I mean isn't a sin between the perpatraitor and god themselves? To me it shows a severe arrogance in people thinking they know best what to do with the person who committed a supposed sin, when really shouldn't it always be god? (note this is for things out side of secular law of course, such as the current topic).

Yes sin is something between the individual and God. One of the precepts behind the cast the first stone parable.
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#537 blaze_adeel
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[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]

[QUOTE="johny300"] What ego ? like i said in Muslims relegion this is not allowed, you don't understand, this is not taken lightly in Muslims countries.sSubZerOo

well atleast this guy knows something about Islam unlike most of u trolls who dont know first thing about Islam and its culture .And are basing their judgement on Muslims and Islam on false assumptions over the top speculations and reports from biased western media

If anything amusingly enough this is exactly the way the Western Media portrays Islam and the culture behind it..As extremely consevativie, patriarchal, riggid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo.. I would like to know your guys thoughts on homosexuals.

by say that you just prove my point further more and what basis do you say that our society is dominated by men or that we resist change?? we only resist change that is bad for our society. and yes i am happy that our society is not dominated by shamelessness nudity rape-ism adultery unlike your societies that feels no shame if their mothers and sisters did the same thing this women did!!

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]

well atleast this guy knows something about Islam unlike most of u trolls who dont know first thing about Islam and its culture .And are basing their judgement on Muslims and Islam on false assumptions over the top speculations and reports from biased western media

blaze_adeel

If anything amusingly enough this is exactly the way the Western Media portrays Islam and the culture behind it..As extremely consevativie, patriarchal, riggid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo.. I would like to know your guys thoughts on homosexuals.

by say that you just prove my point further more and what basis do you say that our society is dominated by men or that we resist change?? we only resist change that is bad for our society. and yes i am happy that our society is not dominated by shamelessness nudity rape-ism adultery unlike your societies that feels no shame if their mothers and sisters did the same thing this women did!!

:lol: Thank you for proving my point.

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[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

If anything amusingly enough this is exactly the way the Western Media portrays Islam and the culture behind it..As extremely consevativie, patriarchal, riggid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo.. I would like to know your guys thoughts on homosexuals.

sSubZerOo

by say that you just prove my point further more and what basis do you say that our society is dominated by men or that we resist change?? we only resist change that is bad for our society. and yes i am happy that our society is not dominated by shamelessness nudity rape-ism adultery unlike your societies that feels no shame if their mothers and sisters did the same thing this women did!!

:lol: Thank you for proving my point.

lol and exactly how does that prove your point ??? now thats just foolish

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#540 worlock77
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]

by say that you just prove my point further more and what basis do you say that our society is dominated by men or that we resist change?? we only resist change that is bad for our society. and yes i am happy that our society is not dominated by shamelessness nudity rape-ism adultery unlike your societies that feels no shame if their mothers and sisters did the same thing this women did!!

blaze_adeel

:lol: Thank you for proving my point.

lol and exactly how does that prove your point ??? now thats just foolish

You objected to him calling Islamic culture as extremely conservative, patriarchal, rigid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo, and then made statements expressing just those things.

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#541 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]

well atleast this guy knows something about Islam unlike most of u trolls who dont know first thing about Islam and its culture .And are basing their judgement on Muslims and Islam on false assumptions over the top speculations and reports from biased western media

blaze_adeel

If anything amusingly enough this is exactly the way the Western Media portrays Islam and the culture behind it..As extremely consevativie, patriarchal, riggid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo.. I would like to know your guys thoughts on homosexuals.

by say that you just prove my point further more and what basis do you say that our society is dominated by men or that we resist change?? we only resist change that is bad for our society. and yes i am happy that our society is not dominated by shamelessness nudity rape-ism adultery unlike your societies that feels no shame if their mothers and sisters did the same thing this women did!!

Rape is a crime of power....not sexual attraction.
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#542 blaze_adeel
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[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:lol: Thank you for proving my point.

worlock77

lol and exactly how does that prove your point ??? now thats just foolish

You objected to him calling Islamic culture as extremely conservative, patriarchal, rigid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo, and then made statements expressing just those things.

well honestly telling i cant understand how you people see good in bad and why u people think a women posing nude is good really i cant !!

and either you people are crazy who cant get a simple fact that Islam loves modesty or i am crazy who thinks he can clear misconceptions about my religion and tell people that Islam is a peace loving and a beautiful religion. i personally give up u people are thick headed who have blinded themselves into thinking that good is bad and bad is good !!

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#543 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"] lol and exactly how does that prove your point ??? now thats just foolish

blaze_adeel

You objected to him calling Islamic culture as extremely conservative, patriarchal, rigid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo, and then made statements expressing just those things.

well honestly telling i cant understand how you people see good in bad and why u people think a women posing nude is good really i cant !!

and either you people are crazy who cant get a simple fact that Islam loves modesty or i am crazy who thinks he can clear misconceptions about my religion and tell people that Islam is a peace loving and a beautiful religion. i personally give up u people are thick headed who have blinded themselves into thinking that good is bad and bad is good !!

"Good" or "bad" is in the eye of the beholder. Morals are not absolute and your morals are not my morals, my morals are not my neighbors morals, and my neighbors morals are not your morals. And neither you, I, nor our neighbors have any right to presume to force our morals upon others.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"] lol and exactly how does that prove your point ??? now thats just foolish

blaze_adeel

You objected to him calling Islamic culture as extremely conservative, patriarchal, rigid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo, and then made statements expressing just those things.

well honestly telling i cant understand how you people see good in bad and why u people think a women posing nude is good really i cant !!

I never said it was a good or bad thing.. The fact of the matter its her body, she is a adult.. She can do what she wants with it, it effects me in no way shape or form.. And your only making my claim earlier on more true that your overbaring and could care less about a persons liberties.

and either you people are crazy who cant get a simple fact that Islam loves modesty

Every one likes modesty.. But yet again your being openly hostile towards something thats quite frankly NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

or i am crazy who thinks he can clear misconceptions about my religion and tell people that Islam is a peace loving and a beautiful religion. i personally give up u people are thick headed who have blinded themselves into thinking that good is bad and bad is good !!

If you support the fact she is being threatened with death threats and you think that is a good representation of your beliefs.. Than I can't say that your view of Islam is peaceful what so ever.. Quite frankly your hypocritical.. Your demonizing the woman to condone or justify your hostility and the violence of others towards stuff like this.. Correct me if I am wrong, because I am usually the first person who comes to the defense of Islam in this forum... But if there is one thing I depise more than anythign else, its extremely conservative extremist beliefs that infringe on a persons secular rights.

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[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

You objected to him calling Islamic culture as extremely conservative, patriarchal, rigid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo, and then made statements expressing just those things.

worlock77

well honestly telling i cant understand how you people see good in bad and why u people think a women posing nude is good really i cant !!

and either you people are crazy who cant get a simple fact that Islam loves modesty or i am crazy who thinks he can clear misconceptions about my religion and tell people that Islam is a peace loving and a beautiful religion. i personally give up u people are thick headed who have blinded themselves into thinking that good is bad and bad is good !!

"Good" or "bad" is in the eye of the beholder. Morals are not absolute and your morals are not my morals, my morals are not my neighbors morals, and my neighbors morals are not your morals. And neither you, I, nor our neighbors have any right to presume to force our morals upon others.

Furthermore the majority of people here would argue that a soceity that he is picturing is in fact far more hypocritical, oppressive than anything coming remotely close to western society who have their own share of problems.. The fact of the matter is this, people have the right to disagree with a opinion.. But he is trying to suggest that peoples ideals should be openly enforced upon people that don't agree with them.. I can only imagine his opinions on homosexuals.

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You want to know what the real crime is ? I haven't picked up this issue of playboy , brb.
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[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

You objected to him calling Islamic culture as extremely conservative, patriarchal, rigid and unaccepting of people who do not follow the status quo, and then made statements expressing just those things.

worlock77

well honestly telling i cant understand how you people see good in bad and why u people think a women posing nude is good really i cant !!

and either you people are crazy who cant get a simple fact that Islam loves modesty or i am crazy who thinks he can clear misconceptions about my religion and tell people that Islam is a peace loving and a beautiful religion. i personally give up u people are thick headed who have blinded themselves into thinking that good is bad and bad is good !!

"Good" or "bad" is in the eye of the beholder. Morals are not absolute and your morals are not my morals, my morals are not my neighbors morals, and my neighbors morals are not your morals. And neither you, I, nor our neighbors have any right to presume to force our morals upon others.

i was never forcing anyone to accept anything .i follow Islam and i find peace in it and if u follow someother religion and you find peace in that good for you .but what i was trying to do here was clear the misconceptions about Islam and how people without evidenace say Islam supresses women .i challenge you if you can tell anyother religion that gives women more security rights strength that Islam .Islam clearly says that men and women are equal members of society !

if Islam stops women frombeing pubically nude Islam also stops men
if Islam gives right to men to own property it also gives the same right to women
if men can give divorce so can women
if men can marry according to their liking so can women

if Islam was a women hating religion why would it be the fastest growing religion in U.K especially in women

To the present day, orthodox Jewish men in their daily morning prayer recite: "Blessed be God King of the universe that Thou has not made me a woman."

West promises a freedom that in realty does not exist, rather only being a modern form of enslavement, packaged in plastic words.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"] well honestly telling i cant understand how you people see good in bad and why u people think a women posing nude is good really i cant !!

and either you people are crazy who cant get a simple fact that Islam loves modesty or i am crazy who thinks he can clear misconceptions about my religion and tell people that Islam is a peace loving and a beautiful religion. i personally give up u people are thick headed who have blinded themselves into thinking that good is bad and bad is good !!

blaze_adeel

"Good" or "bad" is in the eye of the beholder. Morals are not absolute and your morals are not my morals, my morals are not my neighbors morals, and my neighbors morals are not your morals. And neither you, I, nor our neighbors have any right to presume to force our morals upon others.

i was never forcing anyone to accept anything .i follow Islam and i find peace in it and if u follow someother religion and you find peace in that good for you .but what i was trying to do here was clear the misconceptions about Islam and how people without evidenace say Islam supresses women .i challenge you if you can tell anyother religion that gives women more security rights strength that Islam .Islam clearly says that men and women are equal members of society !

if Islam stops women frombeing pubically nude Islam also stops men
if Islam gives right to men to own property it also gives the same right to women
if men can give divorce so can women
if men can marry according to their liking so can women

if Islam was a women hating religion why would it be the fastest growing religion in U.K especially in women

To the present day, orthodox Jewish men in their daily morning prayer recite: "Blessed be God King of the universe that Thou has not made me a woman."

West promises a freedom that in realty does not exist, rather only being a modern form of enslavement, packaged in plastic words.

Than your against this woman recieiving death threats correct?

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and i never read anyone else giving death threats to her except that butcher who was just commenting when he was asked to NOT giving threats imo and if he or anyone else was he is wrong because in Islam 2 wrongs never make a right and i will say it again i was never forcing my faith on you bacause last time i checked this was a forum where u can discuss and disagree/correct if someone is wrong and clearly many people here have wrong concept about Islam and muslims .
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and i never read anyone else giving death threats to her except that butcher who was just commenting when he was asked to NOT giving threats imo and if he or anyone else was he is wrong because in Islam 2 wrongs never make a right and i will say it again i was never forcing my faith on you bacause last time i checked this was a forum where u can discuss and disagree/correct if someone is wrong and clearly many people here have wrong concept about Islam and muslims . blaze_adeel

Yet you said that us supporting her right to do this was more akin to us supporting adultry and rape? And the article it self is what I was talking about?