my faith doesn't disprove science

[QUOTE="Mutatedbloodelf"]

• Are you trying to force religion on me, you cultist?

huladog123

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

gameguy6700

The universe has laws. It doesn't necessarily have a design. Your logic is self-assuming. Furthermore using that logic then what created God? You can't win with that "arguement". You can try to weasle by using the "god is beyond time and space" bullcrap excuse that theists always resort to, but that can be applied to the universe as well since time didn't start until it came into existence (which, btw, there are a few hypotheses on how the universe came into existence from nothing).

The flaw here is that you are assuming the existence of a god, and you don't seem to relize that laws can be proven wrong.yoshi-lnex

If 1+1 was found out to not = 2, all mathmatics would collapse. Same thing with scientific law.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

The universe has laws. It doesn't necessarily have a design. Your logic is self-assuming. Furthermore using that logic then what created God? You can't win with that "arguement". You can try to weasle by using the "god is beyond time and space" bullcrap excuse that theists always resort to, but that can be applied to the universe as well since time didn't start until it came into existence (which, btw, there are a few hypotheses on how the universe came into existence from nothing).

nuclear_cookout, have you ever heard of the casimir effect? its also known as virtual particles.

First of all, both evolution and the big bang are regarded as fact among scientist, the literal interperatation of genesis has been disproven long ago, you can accept that, or continue to live in denial.

also, you seem to be forgeting that you go to hell if Islam is the correct religion.

yoshi-lnex

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This guy is one of the few in here that have common sense...for the rest of you...I don't even know.

I think that at the end of the day, creation doesnt matter. We can use science to benefit us, eg medicine and efficient energy, and religion, however accurate, gives us the moral guidelines, eg should we abort babies.

It doesnt matter if you believe Jesus was ressurected, what does matter is if you believe in his principles. It doesnt matter if all religion is proved untrue, we can still base or morals on fictional characters, eg Shuuya Nanaharu(Hes in Battle Royal) can belive theres good in everyone, thats not so false, so can I.

Who cares wether Moses is real, as long as you obey the ten commandments, only obeying them because you want to instead of fear of hell.

And in the end if GOd's the type of person who doesnt care if i live my life well, do unto others what i would they to me, place others before myself and all that, as long as i dont recognise his existence he'll send me to hell, then im not sure i want to spend eternity with him.

jaybobi92

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

verparanoidpers

The universe has laws. It doesn't necessarily have a design. Your logic is self-assuming. Furthermore using that logic then what created God? You can't win with that "arguement". You can try to weasle by using the "god is beyond time and space" bullcrap excuse that theists always resort to, but that can be applied to the universe as well since time didn't start until it came into existence (which, btw, there are a few hypotheses on how the universe came into existence from nothing).

nuclear_cookout, have you ever heard of the casimir effect? its also known as virtual particles.

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

That's just plain silly. Everyone knows that intelligence is a product of matter. That's why when you crush a person's brain, he stops thinking.

So how the heck are you gonna try to tell me that the mind existed before matter?

[QUOTE="wemhim"]Nobody knows... And your arrogance isn't very Christian.huladog123

So beginning your rant with "i love science" excuses you from saying stuff like that Darwin renounced his theory on evolution?

A hardcore Christian telling 'me' to use common sense, HAH.:|

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

The universe has laws. It doesn't necessarily have a design. Your logic is self-assuming. Furthermore using that logic then what created God? You can't win with that "arguement". You can try to weasle by using the "god is beyond time and space" bullcrap excuse that theists always resort to, but that can be applied to the universe as well since time didn't start until it came into existence (which, btw, there are a few hypotheses on how the universe came into existence from nothing).

nuclear_cookout, have you ever heard of the casimir effect? its also known as virtual particles.

oh, and the debunking your article, maybe you can PM me and tell me how you debunked my debunking that'd be great. otherwise I will have no choice but to assume you're just blowing smoke

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

MrGeezer

That's just plain silly. Everyone knows that intelligence is a product of matter. That's why when you crush a person's brain, he stops thinking.

So how the heck are you gonna try to tell me that the mind existed before matter?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

That's just plain silly. Everyone knows that intelligence is a product of matter. That's why when you crush a person's brain, he stops thinking.

So how the heck are you gonna try to tell me that the mind existed before matter?

what did curiosity do to the cat? :(

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

That's just plain silly. Everyone knows that intelligence is a product of matter. That's why when you crush a person's brain, he stops thinking.

So how the heck are you gonna try to tell me that the mind existed before matter?

And intelligence can't come from nothing either. Intelligence comes from matter. So how can intelligence create matter if you need matter in order for there to be intelligence?

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]This is because God is beyond time and space. He created both. The reason you don't believe He is eternal is because it simply sounds illogical. Plus, I thought the 2nd Law states that something cannot come from nothing. Are you now going to consider that it did happen that way, and if so, why couldn't there have been a God to do it? Why do you think it is so impossible for God to have done it?

Your argument sounds rather self-assuming as well.verparanoidpers

nuclear_cookout, have you ever heard of the casimir effect? its also known as virtual particles.

oh, and the debunking your article, maybe you can PM me and tell me how you debunked my debunking that'd be great. otherwise I will have no choice but to assume you're just blowing smoke

Matter cannot come from nothing. Something must have created matter for it to exist.nuclear_cookout

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]Matter cannot come from nothing. Something must have created matter for it to exist.foxhound_fox

what created the thing that created the thing that created matter? you draw a line somewhere, if you don't you'll go on forever.

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]Matter cannot come from nothing. Something must have created matter for it to exist.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]This is because God is beyond time and space. He created both. The reason you don't believe He is eternal is because it simply sounds illogical. Plus, I thought the 2nd Law states that something cannot come from nothing. Are you now going to consider that it did happen that way, and if so, why couldn't there have been a God to do it? Why do you think it is so impossible for God to have done it?

Your argument sounds rather self-assuming as well.nuclear_cookout

nuclear_cookout, have you ever heard of the casimir effect? its also known as virtual particles.

oh, and the debunking your article, maybe you can PM me and tell me how you debunked my debunking that'd be great. otherwise I will have no choice but to assume you're just blowing smoke

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]Matter cannot come from nothing. Something must have created matter for it to exist.foxhound_fox

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

nuclear_cookout

For every philosophical quote you throw down stating there is a God someone else will throw one down refuting it.

I really don't understand why people make these topics, few here are capable of a logical debate on the subject (and even fewer realize that an argument between religion and science is futile) so all that happens is a fight.

Your beliefs are your own, anything i say shouldn't change yours and anything you say won't change mine. Politics and religion should be seldom discussed by strangers. It can be very interesting to debate certain aspects, however when you do it with someone you don't know (especially in an anonymous fashion, such as an Internet forum) the only thing that wil be accomplished is soemoen will get offeneded and frustrated.

Please, just let the religion topics, the evolution topics, the God vs Science topics out of the forum, they accomplish nothing.

when I say, "God created the universe, and the the big bang theory is a load of garbage," i'm not disproving science. I love science, but some of science is just simple philosophes made up by men and women who didn't want to believe in God, such as the big bang theory, and evolution. Charles Darwin, the creator of the evolution theory, renounced his claim that evolution was real when he got older. Some people say that he even asked God for forgiveness. Think about it this way. Which is easier to believe? That nothing exploded into everything, or that an amazing omniscient God beyond time and the tiny bit of knowledge that we know created it all, for us to use and live in and explore? God created man to rule over every beast of the earth. God also gave the first two humans a choice. Obey God, or disobey God. Guess what? They disobeyed them willfully, so God set a "curse" on the universe, that humans would have short lives, but that they'd have enough time to call of God for the forgiveness of their sins. Because if you have sin in your life, then how could you been in the presence of God when you die? God came down to earth in human form and suffered crucifixion on the cross FOR YOU, PERSONALLY. He did it because he wants all of us to choose to make Him your Savior. If you choose not to, then when you die, you suffer your own crucifixion in hell, because you didn't want God to do it for you. That's all I'm saying. You guys can believe me or not believe me, but I am extremely grateful that my parents became Christians and raised me up in this truth, because it is so great and amazing what God did for me, and for anyone who asks him for forgiveness. God changed my life for the better. Even when I'm going through a hard time, I just trust God that he'll help me through it, and suddenly, all of it's behind me, and yesterday is gone. Do you want to go to heaven or hell? Think about it. Heaven is everlasting peace, and it's so easy to get there! Hell is eternal punishment and torture. Use common sense! What would you choose!huladog123

I rather give my soul to Lucifer himself, why? Because SIN is so much fun! :twisted:

[QUOTE="huladog123"]when I say, "God created the universe, and the the big bang theory is a load of garbage," i'm not disproving science. I love science, but some of science is just simple philosophes made up by men and women who didn't want to believe in God, such as the big bang theory, and evolution. Charles Darwin, the creator of the evolution theory, renounced his claim that evolution was real when he got older. Some people say that he even asked God for forgiveness. Think about it this way. Which is easier to believe? That nothing exploded into everything, or that an amazing omniscient God beyond time and the tiny bit of knowledge that we know created it all, for us to use and live in and explore? God created man to rule over every beast of the earth. God also gave the first two humans a choice. Obey God, or disobey God. Guess what? They disobeyed them willfully, so God set a "curse" on the universe, that humans would have short lives, but that they'd have enough time to call of God for the forgiveness of their sins. Because if you have sin in your life, then how could you been in the presence of God when you die? God came down to earth in human form and suffered crucifixion on the cross FOR YOU, PERSONALLY. He did it because he wants all of us to choose to make Him your Savior. If you choose not to, then when you die, you suffer your own crucifixion in hell, because you didn't want God to do it for you. That's all I'm saying. You guys can believe me or not believe me, but I am extremely grateful that my parents became Christians and raised me up in this truth, because it is so great and amazing what God did for me, and for anyone who asks him for forgiveness. God changed my life for the better. Even when I'm going through a hard time, I just trust God that he'll help me through it, and suddenly, all of it's behind me, and yesterday is gone. Do you want to go to heaven or hell? Think about it. Heaven is everlasting peace, and it's so easy to get there! Hell is eternal punishment and torture. Use common sense! What would you choose!tzar3

I rather give my soul to Lucifer himself, why? Because SIN is so much fun! :twisted:

*High five*! See you there.

This thread is phail.ninjacat11

Nothing, that Something was/is eternal. Since matter is temporal and cannot create itself, something eternal had to have created it.nuclear_cookout

[QUOTE="tzar3"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"]when I say, "God created the universe, and the the big bang theory is a load of garbage," i'm not disproving science. I love science, but some of science is just simple philosophes made up by men and women who didn't want to believe in God, such as the big bang theory, and evolution. Charles Darwin, the creator of the evolution theory, renounced his claim that evolution was real when he got older. Some people say that he even asked God for forgiveness. Think about it this way. Which is easier to believe? That nothing exploded into everything, or that an amazing omniscient God beyond time and the tiny bit of knowledge that we know created it all, for us to use and live in and explore? God created man to rule over every beast of the earth. God also gave the first two humans a choice. Obey God, or disobey God. Guess what? They disobeyed them willfully, so God set a "curse" on the universe, that humans would have short lives, but that they'd have enough time to call of God for the forgiveness of their sins. Because if you have sin in your life, then how could you been in the presence of God when you die? God came down to earth in human form and suffered crucifixion on the cross FOR YOU, PERSONALLY. He did it because he wants all of us to choose to make Him your Savior. If you choose not to, then when you die, you suffer your own crucifixion in hell, because you didn't want God to do it for you. That's all I'm saying. You guys can believe me or not believe me, but I am extremely grateful that my parents became Christians and raised me up in this truth, because it is so great and amazing what God did for me, and for anyone who asks him for forgiveness. God changed my life for the better. Even when I'm going through a hard time, I just trust God that he'll help me through it, and suddenly, all of it's behind me, and yesterday is gone. Do you want to go to heaven or hell? Think about it. Heaven is everlasting peace, and it's so easy to get there! Hell is eternal punishment and torture. Use common sense! What would you choose!MindFreeze

I rather give my soul to Lucifer himself, why? Because SIN is so much fun! :twisted:

*High five*! See you there.

SINNERS FTW! :twisted:

I rather give my soul to Lucifer himself, why? Because SIN is so much fun! :twisted:

tzar3

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"]

Christianity FTW. All that is required is faith.

Here's some logic on why God's existence is indeed logical:


"If something exists now, something must always have existed, for something cannot come from nothing. Something does now exist; thus, something has existed always.

The "something" that has existed always must either be matter or mind. But the eternally existing "something" is not matter, for matter is conceded to be temporal, not eternal (as evidenced by the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Thus, the eternal "something," by default, must be "mind."

If the universe is characterized by order (kosmos) or "design," then the cause that produced it must be intelligent. Intelligence implies personality. Hence there must be a personal cause responsible for the universe."

Roland1987

For every philosophical quote you throw down stating there is a God someone else will throw one down refuting it.

I really don't understand why people make these topics, few here are capable of a logical debate on the subject (and even fewer realize that an argument between religion and science is futile) so all that happens is a fight.

Your beliefs are your own, anything i say shouldn't change yours and anything you say won't change mine. Politics and religion should be seldom discussed by strangers. It can be very interesting to debate certain aspects, however when you do it with someone you don't know (especially in an anonymous fashion, such as an Internet forum) the only thing that wil be accomplished is soemoen will get offeneded and frustrated.

Please, just let the religion topics, the evolution topics, the God vs Science topics out of the forum, they accomplish nothing.

EDIT: But whenever or not you like it, people will still make these topics to get attention, and in some cases both sides want to disprove the other, and, in my opinion, the atheist side is more hungry to disprove the other side.

[QUOTE="wemhim"]Nobody knows... And your arrogance isn't very Christian.huladog123

I daresay that science, as you put it is never "not true" It may take the form of unproven or even unprovable theories, but if a theory is accepted there is either evidence for it, or at the very least no evidence against it. Thus you have already proven that you don't really understand science.

Further, only one biographer has ever claimed that Darwin reverted back to christianity once he renounced it, and she said it was on his death bed. However pretty much every other historian on the planet disagrees as do I. More importantly however is that fact that Darwin never denounced his evolutionary theory.

As far as the Big Bang goes, while there is no direct proof, the big bang is predicted/modeled as an occurence through mathmatical equations. The equations they have developed to understand the Big Bang basically just gives us an idea of what must have happened during the first stage of existence in general in order to see a universe come into existence with the relationships and laws it currently has. However the Big Bang does not give any ideas as to where the singularity that created the universe come form, how it expoloded, or if something directed it or it was random.

But really, what annoys me most about this thread and your original post is the fact that, like most mindless christians, you are unable to think outside the box. "The bible is the word of God thus every bit of it must be literally true." seems to be the prevailing outlook these days. NO ONE seems to be able to comprehend the fact that the written version could have been altered over the last 2000 years, NO ONE seems to be able to understand the HUGE cultural differences and idealogical hurdles one must get past in order to understand the point of view that much of the Bible is written in, and most importantly NO ONE seems to be able to accept that God or Moses would simplify the scientific facts of the creation of the universe in order to not confus people/create a functioning law based on Jewish cultural traditions taken from before they addopted more worldly standards such as those of the Egyptians.

Thus my point is that you need to stop, look around and see how God made the world and how his laws and desires for humanity fit into what we see every day rather than trying to make what we see and experience every day fit in with "God's Words" If you understand that no matter how much reality may seem to contadict God all contadictions can be nullified (even if your still working on figuring them out) you have true faith. If however you are spending your life trying to make everyone and everything else fit into what you believe going so far as to deny realities that people everywhere accept, then you are blinded by Dogma and a religious fanatic

when I say, "God created the universe, and the the big bang theory is a load of garbage," i'm not disproving science. I love science, but some of science is just simple philosophes made up by men and women who didn't want to believe in God, such as the big bang theory, and evolution. Charles Darwin, the creator of the evolution theory, renounced his claim that evolution was real when he got older. Some people say that he even asked God for forgiveness. Think about it this way. Which is easier to believe? That nothing exploded into everything, or that an amazing omniscient God beyond time and the tiny bit of knowledge that we know created it all, for us to use and live in and explore? God created man to rule over every beast of the earth. God also gave the first two humans a choice. Obey God, or disobey God. Guess what? They disobeyed them willfully, so God set a "curse" on the universe, that humans would have short lives, but that they'd have enough time to call of God for the forgiveness of their sins. Because if you have sin in your life, then how could you been in the presence of God when you die? God came down to earth in human form and suffered crucifixion on the cross FOR YOU, PERSONALLY. He did it because he wants all of us to choose to make Him your Savior. If you choose not to, then when you die, you suffer your own crucifixion in hell, because you didn't want God to do it for you. That's all I'm saying. You guys can believe me or not believe me, but I am extremely grateful that my parents became Christians and raised me up in this truth, because it is so great and amazing what God did for me, and for anyone who asks him for forgiveness. God changed my life for the better. Even when I'm going through a hard time, I just trust God that he'll help me through it, and suddenly, all of it's behind me, and yesterday is gone. Do you want to go to heaven or hell? Think about it. Heaven is everlasting peace, and it's so easy to get there! Hell is eternal punishment and torture. Use common sense! What would you choose!huladog123

Why do all you fanatics insist on proving the existence of God to others? If you want to believe in that scam its fine with me but just dont go around acting like your knowledge is higher than anyone elses. Ok?

The big bang happend there is evidence for it. Evolution happend, you literally can see fossils evolving through time. Deal with it.

Charles Darwin, the creator of the evolution theory, renounced his claim that evolution was real when he got older.huladog123

Darwin died an atheist.

Evolution is backed up by an enormous body of evidence. I'm not even going to explain this however to someone who obviously hasn't investigated it themselves. Hint: pick any Biology textbook.

Naturalistic explanations of the universe have come to a point where God is no longer necessary to explain things.

What happens when the sun goes red giant and kills us all? There ends God's fun :roll:helium_flash

Since when did faith disprove anything? Faith can't even prove itself.

Hell, I posit the existence of a floating purple dinosaur that's always behind you but turns invisible when you look at it. Look at it this way, the dinosaur doesn't exist.

you have no more proof of god than the dinosaur.

nuclear_cookout, im still waiting on your responce to my debunking of your article which supposedly debunks evolution.

What happens when the sun goes red giant and kills us all? There ends God's fun :roll:helium_flash

Evolution is backed up by an enormous body of evidence. I'm not even going to explain this however to someone who obviously hasn't investigated it themselves. Hint: pick any Biology textbook.

Naturalistic explanations of the universe have come to a point where God is no longer necessary to explain things.

espoac

nuclear_cookout, im still waiting on your responce to my debunking of your article which supposedly debunks evolution.

verparanoidpers

[QUOTE="espoac"]

Evolution is backed up by an enormous body of evidence. I'm not even going to explain this however to someone who obviously hasn't investigated it themselves. Hint: pick any Biology textbook.

Naturalistic explanations of the universe have come to a point where God is no longer necessary to explain things.

nuclear_cookout

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="espoac"]

Evolution is backed up by an enormous body of evidence. I'm not even going to explain this however to someone who obviously hasn't investigated it themselves. Hint: pick any Biology textbook.

Naturalistic explanations of the universe have come to a point where God is no longer necessary to explain things.

CptJSparrow

BTW, I disagree with that statement, but if you want proof against it, well, I do remember some info, but I don't think you'll accept it as valid, or I forgot the source..

BTW, your sig...Did Silver really say that?

when I say, "God created the universe, and the the big bang theory is a load of garbage," i'm not disproving science. I love science, but some of science is just simple philosophes made up by men and women who didn't want to believe in God, such as the big bang theory, and evolution. huladog123

dude. the genesis is a mythical story. that means it isn't physically factual. just metaphorical. but although i believe God created everything, no one really knows how we were created. i think that he caused the big bang. and im Catholic. so dont tell me i dont know what im saying, because i learned that in theology class in college. you need to do some research before you make your personal claims.

[QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="espoac"]

Evolution is backed up by an enormous body of evidence. I'm not even going to explain this however to someone who obviously hasn't investigated it themselves. Hint: pick any Biology textbook.

Naturalistic explanations of the universe have come to a point where God is no longer necessary to explain things.

CptJSparrow

BTW, did silver_dragon really say that?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="espoac"]

Evolution is backed up by an enormous body of evidence. I'm not even going to explain this however to someone who obviously hasn't investigated it themselves. Hint: pick any Biology textbook.

Naturalistic explanations of the universe have come to a point where God is no longer necessary to explain things.

Fireball2500

BTW, I disagree with that statement, but if you want proof against it, well, I do remember some info, but I don't think you'll accept it as valid, or I forgot the source..

BTW, your sig...Did Silver really say that?

[QUOTE="Fireball2500"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="espoac"]

Evolution is backed up by an enormous body of evidence. I'm not even going to explain this however to someone who obviously hasn't investigated it themselves. Hint: pick any Biology textbook.

Naturalistic explanations of the universe have come to a point where God is no longer necessary to explain things.

CptJSparrow

BTW, I disagree with that statement, but if you want proof against it, well, I do remember some info, but I don't think you'll accept it as valid, or I forgot the source..

BTW, your sig...Did Silver really say that?