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#101 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="espoac"]

Evolution is backed up by an enormous body of evidence. I'm not even going to explain this however to someone who obviously hasn't investigated it themselves. Hint: pick any Biology textbook.

Naturalistic explanations of the universe have come to a point where God is no longer necessary to explain things.

Fireball2500

Evolution has a TON of holes, too, along with evidence against it. Mainstream biology textbooks were written by evolutionists, so there will obviously be pro-evolution and sometimes anti-religioninformation in them.

No, evolution has no holes beyond abiogenesis that are significant.

Oh, boy, here we go again with 10+ post arguements...

BTW, I disagree with that statement, but if you want proof against it, well, I do remember some info, but I don't think you'll accept it as valid, or I forgot the source..

BTW, your sig...Did Silver really say that?

Post it. As for the quote, he actually did say that in a girlfriend thread.

It's in a Christian biology book. I thought it was pretty good, but then again, most people will say look at the bias...

just present the argument if you will
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#102 Fireball2500
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One more thing. It may focus on stuff you may not care about when it comes to disproving evolution.
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#103 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="nuclear_cookout"][QUOTE="espoac"]

Evolution is backed up by an enormous body of evidence. I'm not even going to explain this however to someone who obviously hasn't investigated it themselves. Hint: pick any Biology textbook.

Naturalistic explanations of the universe have come to a point where God is no longer necessary to explain things.

verparanoidpers

Evolution has a TON of holes, too, along with evidence against it. Mainstream biology textbooks were written by evolutionists, so there will obviously be pro-evolution and sometimes anti-religioninformation in them.

No, evolution has no holes beyond abiogenesis that are significant.

abiogenesis isn't a hole in evolution. abiogenesis and evolution are 2 completely different theories, which come from 2 completely different fields of science. evolution is biology, and abiogenesis is chemistry.

BTW, did silver_dragon really say that?

Abiogenesis is both, and is a necessary process in the explanation of our origins. Yes, Silver said that in a girl help thread.
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#104 verparanoidpers
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One more thing. It may focus on stuff you may not care about.Fireball2500
quit stalling and give us this evidence against evolution.
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#105 CptJSparrow
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One more thing. It may focus on stuff you may not care about.Fireball2500
What good is disagreeing with me if you do not want to post your argument?
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#106 Fireball2500
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Now, don't blame me about the material. On second thought, it may take me a little bit of time to get the info.

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#107 hamstergeddon
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I don't think I've ever read such a load of BS in my life! (And I post on SW!)
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#108 verparanoidpers
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Now, don't blame me about the material. On second thought, it may take me a little bit of time to get the info.

Fireball2500
do you have the info with you right now?
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#109 CptJSparrow
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Now, don't blame me about the material. On second thought, it may take me a little bit of time to get the info.

Fireball2500
Ok...PM it to me when you get a chance, then.
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#110 quiglythegreat
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Now, don't blame me about the material. On second thought, it may take me a little bit of time to get the info.

Fireball2500
But the issue is, if you don't even remember the general argument, well, why the hell are you disagreeing? If I were to say that I think evolution is real and then say 'oh, well, later on I'll get back to you on that whole factual support deal', well, I would be even worse at debating than I am now.
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#111 Fireball2500
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Man, I can't believe I forgot the place it gives some proof....and I have to do some dishes. I'm sorry for taking this much time...

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#112 verparanoidpers
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Man, I can't believe I forgot the place it gives some proof....and I have to do some dishes. I'm sorry for taking this much time...

Fireball2500
be sure to post it when you get the chance to
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#113 Fireball2500
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I'm ashmed it took me this much time...

  • From a different book, there was supposedly a human footprint on a rock which evolutionists claimed was formed way before humans were made, but some will take this down.

Oh man..where is it...I just had a thing on it...

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#114 Fireball2500
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I'm talking of the proof I wanted to show...I still can't find it..
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#115 quiglythegreat
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I'm ashmed it took me this much time...

  • From a different book, there was supposedly a human footprint on a rock which evolutionists claimed was formed way before humans were made, but some will take this down.

Oh man..where is it...I just had a thing on it...

Fireball2500
Well, that doesn't really prove evolution is 'wrong' though. It just shows that our current idea about the age of humanity is off. It says nothing about the theory of evolution itself.
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I'm ashmed it took me this much time...

  • From a different book, there was supposedly a human footprint on a rock which evolutionists claimed was formed way before humans were made, but some will take this down.

Oh man..where is it...I just had a thing on it...

Fireball2500
My immediate thought is that this is about a certain riverbed that allegedly has human footprints next to dinosaur ones, which is false, but I will wait for you to elaborate.
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#117 Fireball2500
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OK, I can't find exactly what it said. I'm tired, I just finshed a time-consuming algebra assagiment....

But this was an overall linement of what it said. It said that something, man I wish I could remember what it was, that was involving DNA, I think, and evolutionists said that the more complex an organism was, the more it had, but something really small, aquatic life of some sort, had more of it than a cat. I really wish I could give a more accurate descripton of it.

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#118 helium_flash
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People say a lot of things on their death bed. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Atheists and Agnostics made a reversal in the face of death.
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#119 hamstergeddon
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.......


RADIOCARBONDATING!!!!


/thread

Radiocarbon dating proves that there are rocks that are billions of years old! how old did the Bible say Earth was? :| Oh yeah, 4,000 years. Explain that.
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#120 Fireball2500
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RADIOCARBONDATING!!!!


/thread

Radiocarbon dating proves that there are rocks that are billions of years old! how old did the Bible say Earth was? :| Oh yeah, 4,000 years. Explain that.
hamstergeddon
I don't believe the earth is billions of years old, but I don't believe that the earth is 6,000 years old either. I won't stay with just one age.
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#121 verparanoidpers
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POTASSIUM-ARGONDATING!!!


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Radiocarbon dating proves that there are rocks that are billions of years old! how old did the Bible say Earth was? :| Oh yeah, 4,000 years. Explain that.
hamstergeddon
fix'd
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#122 quiglythegreat
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People say a lot of things on their death bed. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Atheists and Agnostics made a reversal in the face of death.helium_flash
What does that have to do with anything? I mean, there's a good chance that a monk would burn a cross if he were freezing to death. Does that have anything to do with the virtues or vices of Christianity? Obviously not, it speaks of the situation and at most the individual, but not the philosophy in question.
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#123 hamstergeddon
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"].......


RADIOCARBONDATING!!!!


/thread

Radiocarbon dating proves that there are rocks that are billions of years old! how old did the Bible say Earth was? :| Oh yeah, 4,000 years. Explain that.
Fireball2500
I don't believe the earth is billions of years old, but I don't believe that the earth is 6,000 years old either. I won't stay with just one age.



wha-:question: the Earth is trillions of years old, when life came around is a whole nother thing entirely. Aside from the fact that the Bible is wrong, not much else can be determined
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#124 Fireball2500
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Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

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#125 Fireball2500
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[QUOTE="Fireball2500"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"].......


RADIOCARBONDATING!!!!


/thread

Radiocarbon dating proves that there are rocks that are billions of years old! how old did the Bible say Earth was? :| Oh yeah, 4,000 years. Explain that.
hamstergeddon
I don't believe the earth is billions of years old, but I don't believe that the earth is 6,000 years old either. I won't stay with just one age.



wha-:question: the Earth is trillions of years old, when life came around is a whole nother thing entirely. Aside from the fact that the Bible is wrong, not much else can be determined

Mind telling me where you got the 4,000 year earth idea from in the Bible?
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the Earth is trillions of years old
hamstergeddon
But it's not, it's billions of years old.
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#127 helium_flash
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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]What happens when the sun goes red giant and kills us all? There ends God's fun :roll:foxhound_fox


The Rapture will come and save the righteous long before that happens... :|

Or we all kill ourselves. Ending God's fun there.
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#128 hamstergeddon
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Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

Fireball2500


lololololol that shows how ignorant christian scientists are! Number of Chromosome only represent how much information is passe down FOR THAT ORGANISM! Human chromosomes are much more detailed and intricate than...say...a crayfish chromosome is. And besides, who's to say a crayfish ISN'T more evolved than a horse? Size has nothing to do with evolution, as we (humans) are more evolved than a Gorilla, even though it's bigger
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#129 Fireball2500
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[QUOTE="Fireball2500"]

Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

hamstergeddon


lololololol that shows how ignorant christian scientists are! Number of Chromosome only represent how much information is passe down FOR THAT ORGANISM! Human chromosomes are much more detailed and intricate than...say...a crayfish chromosome is. And besides, who's to say a crayfish ISN'T more evolved than a horse? Size has nothing to do with evolution, as we (humans) are more evolved than a Gorilla, even though it's bigger

I have one question. How evolved would you say cats are?
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#130 hamstergeddon
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]

the Earth is trillions of years old
quiglythegreat
But it's not, it's billions of years old.



bt nobody can prove that because everything in the Earth eventually is rotten away/melted and replaced with new stuff. So nobody can project an exact estimate, but its guessed that it is trillions of years old
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#131 verparanoidpers
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Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

Fireball2500
that is absolute pure fantasy. evolution makes no such predictions. you're reading from an anti-evolution textbook, why dont you throw another one at us.
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#132 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]

the Earth is trillions of years old
hamstergeddon
But it's not, it's billions of years old.



bt nobody can prove that because everything in the Earth eventually is rotten away/melted and replaced with new stuff. So nobody can project an exact estimate, but its guessed that it is trillions of years old

that is why we use radiometric dating on meteorites and moon rocks rather than on rocks here on earth.
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#133 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]

the Earth is trillions of years old
hamstergeddon
But it's not, it's billions of years old.



bt nobody can prove that because everything in the Earth eventually is rotten away/melted and replaced with new stuff. So nobody can project an exact estimate, but its guessed that it is trillions of years old

No, it is not guessed that it's trillions of years old. We've figured out that the Earth is about 4.6 billion years old from the decay of certain atoms, and it's very certain.
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#134 Fireball2500
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[QUOTE="Fireball2500"]

Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

verparanoidpers
that is absolute pure fantasy. evolution makes no such predictions. you're reading from an anti-evolution textbook, why dont you throw another one at us.

Man, I'm sorry if you find it so easy to dissect. It's going to be like that for many. That was one I could think of, but I'm so tired, I'm literally sweating....and then I just finished some kind-of tough algebra...It makes me hate flipping though books right now.
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"].......


RADIOCARBONDATING!!!!


/thread

Radiocarbon dating proves that there are rocks that are billions of years old! how old did the Bible say Earth was? :| Oh yeah, 4,000 years. Explain that.
Fireball2500
I don't believe the earth is billions of years old, but I don't believe that the earth is 6,000 years old either. I won't stay with just one age.



wha-:question: the Earth is trillions of years old, when life came around is a whole nother thing entirely. Aside from the fact that the Bible is wrong, not much else can be determined

Mind telling me where you got the 4,000 year earth idea from in the Bible?



Well, its not there anymore (It was changed after it was scientifically proven that the Earth is older, right along with the shape of the Earth and the Orbit of the Sun)


but go read the text manuscripts for John T. Scopes vs. the State of Tenessee. The prosecuting attorney is arguing against teaching Darwinism in school, and he explicitly reads from the Bible the passage in which God creates Earth, and it says 2,000 years ago. And it was written 2000 years ago.
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#136 hamstergeddon
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]

the Earth is trillions of years old
quiglythegreat
But it's not, it's billions of years old.



bt nobody can prove that because everything in the Earth eventually is rotten away/melted and replaced with new stuff. So nobody can project an exact estimate, but its guessed that it is trillions of years old

No, it is not guessed that it's trillions of years old. We've figured out that the Earth is about 4.6 billion years old from the decay of certain atoms, and it's very certain.


oh. :oops: well, I haven't brushed up on my geo for quite some time... my bad...
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Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

Fireball2500
Someone else said--albeit less politely--that chromosomes are about the amount of information needed to construct an organism's proteins, not how large the organism is. I do not know who made the claim that size and chromosome count are directly proportional, but they were wrong. It amuses me significantly that carbon-14 dating is the most rejected methods of argument against Young Earth Creationism despite its small--in evolutionary terms--margin of error as well as the many more radiometric dating methods possible that compliment C-14.
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]

the Earth is trillions of years old
verparanoidpers
But it's not, it's billions of years old.



bt nobody can prove that because everything in the Earth eventually is rotten away/melted and replaced with new stuff. So nobody can project an exact estimate, but its guessed that it is trillions of years old

that is why we use radiometric dating on meteorites and moon rocks rather than on rocks here on earth.

There are some rocks on Earth roughly 4 billion years old, but rocks from above and beyond are more reliable.
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#139 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="Fireball2500"]

Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

CptJSparrow

Someone else said--albeit less politely--that chromosomes are about the amount of information needed to construct an organism's proteins, not how large the organism is. I do not know who made the claim that size and chromosome count are directly proportional, but they were wrong. It amuses me significantly that carbon-14 dating is the most rejected methods of argument against Young Earth Creationism despite its small--in evolutionary terms--margin of error as well as the many more radiometric dating methods possible that compliment C-14.

YECs, you're gonna have to debunk all of these methods

  • argon-argon (Ar-Ar)
  • fission track dating
  • helium (He-He)
  • iodine-xenon (I-Xe)
  • lanthanum-barium (La-Ba)
  • lead-lead (Pb-Pb)
  • lutetium-hafnium (Lu-Hf)
  • neon-neon (Ne-Ne)
  • optically stimulated luminescence dating
  • potassium-argon (K-Ar)
  • radiocarbon dating
  • rhenium-osmium (Re-Os)
  • rubidium-strontium (Rb-Sr)
  • samarium-neodymium (Sm-Nd)
  • uranium-lead (U-Pb)
  • uranium-lead-helium (U-Pb-He)
  • uranium-thorium (U-Th)
  • uranium-uranium (U-U)
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#140 Fireball2500
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We are all biased in some ways. One's definition of proof can be full of holes to another. It's basically another way of saying, "Another man's trash is another man's treasure" when it comes to things like these. I can say the same thing towards evolution and Creation, one will look at one theory as having so many holes that he/she will laugh at people who believe it, another will see the same theory as perfect in every way.

That's the problem with religion topics. It's basically the two people trying to either expose the holes that he/she sees, or show there's no holes.

I'm sorry I can't debunk the theories you want to have debunked, but I can't really do things like that. What did you expect from someone who freaked out a little bit from his algebra assaginment?

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#141 hamstergeddon
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"]

Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

Fireball2500


lololololol that shows how ignorant christian scientists are! Number of Chromosome only represent how much information is passe down FOR THAT ORGANISM! Human chromosomes are much more detailed and intricate than...say...a crayfish chromosome is. And besides, who's to say a crayfish ISN'T more evolved than a horse? Size has nothing to do with evolution, as we (humans) are more evolved than a Gorilla, even though it's bigger

I have one question. How evolved would you say cats are?



there's no scale for evolution... you can't just say "Cats are more evolved than dogs" because there is no scale to judge it by. We need something more substantial than just "saying" how evolved cats are
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#142 CptJSparrow
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We are all biased in some ways. One's definition of proof can be full of holes to another. It's basically another way of saying, "Another man's trash is another man's treasure" when it comes to things like these. I can say the same thing towards evolution and Creation, one will look at one theory as having so many holes that he/she will laugh at people who believe it, another will see the same theory as perfect in every way.

That's the problem with religion topics. It's basically the two people trying to either expose the holes that he/she sees, or show there's no holes.

Fireball2500
I can understand where you are coming from when one is arguing atheism against theism, but certainly not evolution against Young Earth Creationism.
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#143 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]

the Earth is trillions of years old
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But it's not, it's billions of years old.



bt nobody can prove that because everything in the Earth eventually is rotten away/melted and replaced with new stuff. So nobody can project an exact estimate, but its guessed that it is trillions of years old

that is why we use radiometric dating on meteorites and moon rocks rather than on rocks here on earth.

There are some rocks on Earth roughly 4 billion years old, but rocks from above and beyond are more reliable.

some zircons have acutally been found that are 4.4 billion years old.
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#144 Bulldog19892
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Yay, another huladog thread. Why do you keep making these? There's absolutely no point. Every thread you make is the same. "Evolution doesn't exist, and if you don't accept Jesus as your personal savior you will burn in eternal hellfire." So why do you keep making the same thread? You're not going to 'save' anyone over the internet. What you're doing here is inconsequential.
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#145 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="Fireball2500"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"]

Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

hamstergeddon


lololololol that shows how ignorant christian scientists are! Number of Chromosome only represent how much information is passe down FOR THAT ORGANISM! Human chromosomes are much more detailed and intricate than...say...a crayfish chromosome is. And besides, who's to say a crayfish ISN'T more evolved than a horse? Size has nothing to do with evolution, as we (humans) are more evolved than a Gorilla, even though it's bigger

I have one question. How evolved would you say cats are?



there's no scale for evolution... you can't just say "Cats are more evolved than dogs" because there is no scale to judge it by. We need something more substantial than just "saying" how evolved cats are

You can judge it by how well something has survived, but that is nigh impossible with his example.
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#146 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"]

Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

CptJSparrow


lololololol that shows how ignorant christian scientists are! Number of Chromosome only represent how much information is passe down FOR THAT ORGANISM! Human chromosomes are much more detailed and intricate than...say...a crayfish chromosome is. And besides, who's to say a crayfish ISN'T more evolved than a horse? Size has nothing to do with evolution, as we (humans) are more evolved than a Gorilla, even though it's bigger

I have one question. How evolved would you say cats are?



there's no scale for evolution... you can't just say "Cats are more evolved than dogs" because there is no scale to judge it by. We need something more substantial than just "saying" how evolved cats are

You can judge it by how well something has survived, but that is nigh impossible with his example.

guys, there is no such thing as more evolved, or less evolved. there is no such thinglinear evolution.
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#147 Fireball2500
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[QUOTE="Fireball2500"]

We are all biased in some ways. One's definition of proof can be full of holes to another. It's basically another way of saying, "Another man's trash is another man's treasure" when it comes to things like these. I can say the same thing towards evolution and Creation, one will look at one theory as having so many holes that he/she will laugh at people who believe it, another will see the same theory as perfect in every way.

That's the problem with religion topics. It's basically the two people trying to either expose the holes that he/she sees, or show there's no holes.

CptJSparrow
I can understand where you are coming from when one is arguing atheism against theism, but certainly not evolution against Young Earth Creationism.

I was talking of the former, and for the latter, with the way the earth's been decaying, I can't say the earth is billions of years old, but something just doesn't seem right about it being 6,000 years old. Really, on the topic of how old the earth is, I just can't say without a doubt how old the earth is.
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#148 verparanoidpers
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"]

We are all biased in some ways. One's definition of proof can be full of holes to another. It's basically another way of saying, "Another man's trash is another man's treasure" when it comes to things like these. I can say the same thing towards evolution and Creation, one will look at one theory as having so many holes that he/she will laugh at people who believe it, another will see the same theory as perfect in every way.

That's the problem with religion topics. It's basically the two people trying to either expose the holes that he/she sees, or show there's no holes.

Fireball2500
I can understand where you are coming from when one is arguing atheism against theism, but certainly not evolution against Young Earth Creationism.

I was talking of the former, and for the latter, with the way the earth's been decaying, I can't say the earth is billions of years old, but something just doesn't seem right about it being 6,000 years old. Really, on the topic of how old the earth is, I just can't say without a doubt how old the earth is.

the geneologies do suggest that the earth is ~6000 years old
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#149 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="Fireball2500"]

Wow, I found it.

It claimed that if evolution was true, the bigger the organism was, the more chorosomes it would have. Yet, they had a thing of data showing a horse witb 64 chorosomes, and a crayfish with 200 chorosomes.

verparanoidpers


lololololol that shows how ignorant christian scientists are! Number of Chromosome only represent how much information is passe down FOR THAT ORGANISM! Human chromosomes are much more detailed and intricate than...say...a crayfish chromosome is. And besides, who's to say a crayfish ISN'T more evolved than a horse? Size has nothing to do with evolution, as we (humans) are more evolved than a Gorilla, even though it's bigger

I have one question. How evolved would you say cats are?



there's no scale for evolution... you can't just say "Cats are more evolved than dogs" because there is no scale to judge it by. We need something more substantial than just "saying" how evolved cats are

You can judge it by how well something has survived, but that is nigh impossible with his example.

guys, there is no such thing as more evolved, or less evolved. there is no such thinglinear evolution.

Better adapted is saying the same thing, and there certainly is a scale for being more or less suited for one's environment...
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#150 SunofVich
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IMO, God is just made up by people as well.