N Korea deploys missiles near South border.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="shert"]

Well what is most unsettling is that recently before all this began north korea was showcasing its "ultra modern" uranium enrichment plant to a US official, so thats troubling enough right there, who noes what they're capable of on their own. Also this is assuming china doesn't intervene and if they do you can expect them to supply arms and tech to the north koreans just as Russia did for china back in the cold war.

shert

I don't think being able to enrich urainium matters much if your missle can't even launch. You can make a super bullet but if your gun doesn't work that bullet isn't too useful.

I'm not even taking China into consideration because I am 99.9% sure they will not get involved outside of stopping refugees from coming into China and maybe securing some land.

Here is what North Korea does for China.

Keep impovrished refugees from coming into China.

Be a buffer between American influenced SK.

What US (and by relation everyone who is not North Korea) does for China.

Trade with them.

Borrow lots of money.

Make them a world economic super power.

So one must ask would China give up the bottom part there (trade with basically everyone in the world, owning debt, and becoming a super power) to save a country that really does next to nothing for them? I don't think so.

We'll defend SK because it is actually a valuable ally to us. Best Korea is not a valuable ally to China. It is an ally and a symbol but not one worth losing everything for. I don't see a psychotic unpredictable loose cannon when I look at China. I think their move is quite predictable. They do not want this war to happen and they do not want Best Korea gone, but they arn't going to start WW3 over it. If it happens it happens and they deal with it. It ain't worth it for them.

That is true, it does seem like China has its goal set on peace and going to all out war over NK seems petty and frivilous so let's assume that only Best Korea is involved here. I see them as a loose cannon in every defenition of the word and knowing that their missles can't get very far I don't think you can put it past the current dictator to fire one off anyways if his back is against the wall.

I honestly think China's best move right now is to pull a complete 180 by rushing into Best korea and quickly deposing Kim Jong themselves and putting in a leader who can better serve their own needs by keeping the peace.

I see North Korea as the kid who constantly threatens to kill themselves for attention. "I'm gonna do it! Totally!" and they never do.

But if Best Korea does decide to fire a missle, I'm really not too confident the missle will launch. It might end up just blowing up in Best Koreas face.

And nuking Seoul would send fallout back to Best Korea.

Still, North Korea is a madman with a flintlock pistol going against people weilding submachine guns.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

By what? 1950's Soviet bombers?

F1_2004

I also question the ability of North Korea to strike the Seoul to the extent many claim.

According to this diagram people are now beginning to question whether or not North Korea's largest artillery pieces are even capable of hitting anything beyond the outskirts of the city.

I'm sure we have plenty of counter batteries just waiting, lets not forget air support.

[QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"]

Yeh, but they still need USA to buy them from.

sherman-tank1

If they arn't standing behind the US then why do they need us to have our soldiers there and our warships?

I'm sorry but I'm fairly confident that if war breaks out, the US will be pulling most of the weight. Few here are even talking about it like it's Korea vs Korea. Most are talking like it's Best Korea vs the US.

[QUOTE="shert"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I don't think being able to enrich urainium matters much if your missle can't even launch. You can make a super bullet but if your gun doesn't work that bullet isn't too useful.

I'm not even taking China into consideration because I am 99.9% sure they will not get involved outside of stopping refugees from coming into China and maybe securing some land.

Here is what North Korea does for China.

Keep impovrished refugees from coming into China.

Be a buffer between American influenced SK.

What US (and by relation everyone who is not North Korea) does for China.

Trade with them.

Borrow lots of money.

Make them a world economic super power.

So one must ask would China give up the bottom part there (trade with basically everyone in the world, owning debt, and becoming a super power) to save a country that really does next to nothing for them? I don't think so.

We'll defend SK because it is actually a valuable ally to us. Best Korea is not a valuable ally to China. It is an ally and a symbol but not one worth losing everything for. I don't see a psychotic unpredictable loose cannon when I look at China. I think their move is quite predictable. They do not want this war to happen and they do not want Best Korea gone, but they arn't going to start WW3 over it. If it happens it happens and they deal with it. It ain't worth it for them.

Pixel-Pirate

That is true, it does seem like China has its goal set on peace and going to all out war over NK seems petty and frivilous so let's assume that only Best Korea is involved here. I see them as a loose cannon in every defenition of the word and knowing that their missles can't get very far I don't think you can put it past the current dictator to fire one off anyways if his back is against the wall.

I honestly think China's best move right now is to pull a complete 180 by rushing into Best korea and quickly deposing Kim Jong themselves and putting in a leader who can better serve their own needs by keeping the peace.

I see North Korea as the kid who constantly threatens to kill themselves for attention. "I'm gonna do it! Totally!" and they never do.

But if Best Korea does decide to fire a missle, I'm really not too confident the missle will launch. It might end up just blowing up in Best Koreas face.

And nuking Seoul would send fallout back to Best Korea.

Still, North Korea is a madman with a flintlock pistol going against people weilding submachine guns.

Last I heard North Korea's nukes don't work. They're at like half the size of Hiroshima which is pretty miniscule.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="shert"]

That is true, it does seem like China has its goal set on peace and going to all out war over NK seems petty and frivilous so let's assume that only Best Korea is involved here. I see them as a loose cannon in every defenition of the word and knowing that their missles can't get very far I don't think you can put it past the current dictator to fire one off anyways if his back is against the wall.

I honestly think China's best move right now is to pull a complete 180 by rushing into Best korea and quickly deposing Kim Jong themselves and putting in a leader who can better serve their own needs by keeping the peace.

magnax1

I see North Korea as the kid who constantly threatens to kill themselves for attention. "I'm gonna do it! Totally!" and they never do.

But if Best Korea does decide to fire a missle, I'm really not too confident the missle will launch. It might end up just blowing up in Best Koreas face.

And nuking Seoul would send fallout back to Best Korea.

Still, North Korea is a madman with a flintlock pistol going against people weilding submachine guns.

Last I heard North Korea's nukes don't work. They're at like half the size of Hiroshima which is pretty miniscule.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="shert"]

That is true, it does seem like China has its goal set on peace and going to all out war over NK seems petty and frivilous so let's assume that only Best Korea is involved here. I see them as a loose cannon in every defenition of the word and knowing that their missles can't get very far I don't think you can put it past the current dictator to fire one off anyways if his back is against the wall.

I honestly think China's best move right now is to pull a complete 180 by rushing into Best korea and quickly deposing Kim Jong themselves and putting in a leader who can better serve their own needs by keeping the peace.

magnax1

I see North Korea as the kid who constantly threatens to kill themselves for attention. "I'm gonna do it! Totally!" and they never do.

But if Best Korea does decide to fire a missle, I'm really not too confident the missle will launch. It might end up just blowing up in Best Koreas face.

And nuking Seoul would send fallout back to Best Korea.

Still, North Korea is a madman with a flintlock pistol going against people weilding submachine guns.

Last I heard North Korea's nukes don't work. They're at like half the size of Hiroshima which is pretty miniscule.

I looked up the effect of that bomb, from what I found, it had a 2 mile radius, and towards outer edge was barely damaged, if NK can't match that then wow. Still would be awful in a populated area though.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I see North Korea as the kid who constantly threatens to kill themselves for attention. "I'm gonna do it! Totally!" and they never do.

But if Best Korea does decide to fire a missle, I'm really not too confident the missle will launch. It might end up just blowing up in Best Koreas face.

And nuking Seoul would send fallout back to Best Korea.

Still, North Korea is a madman with a flintlock pistol going against people weilding submachine guns.

Ace6301

Last I heard North Korea's nukes don't work. They're at like half the size of Hiroshima which is pretty miniscule.

Half of Hiroshima would have trouble killing 50,000. Hiroshima only killed 70,000, and I doubt that they could pack people THAT much closer together. Yeah, it'd suck, but what I'm trying is that their Nukes don't even really work.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]I also hope UK doesn't get dragged into another war.sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I see North Korea as the kid who constantly threatens to kill themselves for attention. "I'm gonna do it! Totally!" and they never do.

But if Best Korea does decide to fire a missle, I'm really not too confident the missle will launch. It might end up just blowing up in Best Koreas face.

And nuking Seoul would send fallout back to Best Korea.

Still, North Korea is a madman with a flintlock pistol going against people weilding submachine guns.

breakinglaws

Last I heard North Korea's nukes don't work. They're at like half the size of Hiroshima which is pretty miniscule.

I looked up the effect of that bomb, from what I found, it had a 2 mile radius, and towards outer edge was barely damaged, if NK can't match that then wow. Still would be awful in a populated area though.

Also, their were buildings as close as 600 feet from the explosion that survived (with people in them that survived) Old nukes aren't that powerful. Especially since the largest bomb ever detonated has a 20 mile radius.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

Last I heard North Korea's nukes don't work. They're at like half the size of Hiroshima which is pretty miniscule.

magnax1

Half of Hiroshima would have trouble killing 50,000. Hiroshima only killed 70,000, and I doubt that they could pack people THAT much closer together. Yeah, it'd suck, but what I'm trying is that their Nukes don't even really work.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]If US is going it to, so will the rest of NATO.

So, when they attack a country that has 26000 U.S troops in it, a NATO member hasn't been attacked? Interesting.

[QUOTE="breakinglaws"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] No, NATO is a defense pact. If the North attacks the South, but not American forces, then NATO will not envoked as a NATO member has not been attacked. It does not apply when on the offence otherwise Canada would have joined in teh Iraq war another example last was summers Turkey-Israel incedent where Turkey could have invoked the NATO defense pact.lordreaven

So, when they attack a country that has 26000 U.S troops in it, a NATO member hasn't been attacked? Interesting.

What if they directly attack a U.S base or ship? I'm curious on how this works.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Pretty miniscule for a weapon of mass destruction. Suddenly 1 million people are a statistic.Ace6301

Half of Hiroshima would have trouble killing 50,000. Hiroshima only killed 70,000, and I doubt that they could pack people THAT much closer together. Yeah, it'd suck, but what I'm trying is that their Nukes don't even really work.

Seoul has at its highest 121 thousand people per square Mile (I think it's average is less) so I highly doubt that.

The North Korean leader is always drunk off Hennessey. Everyone wonders why he acts this way. :P

The North Korean leader is always drunk off Hennessey. Everyone wonders why he acts this way. :P

shoot-first

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="breakinglaws"]

So, when they attack a country that has 26000 U.S troops in it, a NATO member hasn't been attacked? Interesting.

What if they directly attack a U.S base or ship? I'm curious on how this works.

[QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"]My point is that South Korea needs USA to buy a lot of their military equipment. Nothing more.sherman-tank1

im starting to think its the USA who wanted the korean to get the war. cause if it does happen south korea will likely buy millitary equipment making a good profit for the USA

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"]My point is that South Korea needs USA to buy a lot of their military equipment. Nothing more.d0ubl3sh0t

im starting to think its the USA who wanted the korean to get the war. cause if it does happen south korea will likely buy millitary equipment making a good profit for the USA

[QUOTE="d0ubl3sh0t"]

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]So how is that related to my response to a post that said that Sk would hide behind US? I'm not irritated by your perspective as I always welcome them but what does it have to do with that topic that you quoted?

JasonDarksavior

im starting to think its the USA who wanted the korean to get the war. cause if it does happen south korea will likely buy millitary equipment making a good profit for the USA

[QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"][QUOTE="d0ubl3sh0t"]

im starting to think its the USA who wanted the korean to get the war. cause if it does happen south korea will likely buy millitary equipment making a good profit for the USA

SPBoss

But this also confuses me. Aren't the majority of weapon manufacturers private therefore generally speaking the profits would not go into government hands.

[QUOTE="SPBoss"][QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"] Thats what my dad said too, and I kinda agree. The arms business will sky rocket but yeah, it's all politics.JasonDarksavior

But this also confuses me. Aren't the majority of weapon manufacturers private therefore generally speaking the profits would not go into government hands.

[QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"]

[QUOTE="SPBoss"] Very true, war = sales = profit Apparantly its why some wars wage on for so long with no apparent reason, its all businessSPBoss

But this also confuses me. Aren't the majority of weapon manufacturers private therefore generally speaking the profits would not go into government hands.

They would buy directly from the military, we would sell them the tanks, and most likely the weapons. Also planes and other vehicles.

[QUOTE="SPBoss"][QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"]

But this also confuses me. Aren't the majority of weapon manufacturers private therefore generally speaking the profits would not go into government hands.

breakinglaws

They would buy directly from the military, we would sell them the tanks, and most likely the weapons. Also planes and other vehicles.

[QUOTE="SPBoss"][QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"]

But this also confuses me. Aren't the majority of weapon manufacturers private therefore generally speaking the profits would not go into government hands.

breakinglaws

They would buy directly from the military, we would sell them the tanks, and most likely the weapons. Also planes and other vehicles.

Super flawed logic. A war pretty much always costs more then it gains in profit. The only war that hasn't been true of is WW2, and we basically provided the allies (other then Russia) their whole military.

im joining the canadian infantry soon after my high school is done.....i hope canada gets involved. I WANT SOME ACTION OH YA!!

North Korea is gonna die.

I think NK really wants to start something...or maybe they just want attention.

im joining the canadian infantry soon after my high school is done.....i hope canada gets involved. I WANT SOME ACTION OH YA!!

GrabTheYayo

Canada...

:P

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

im joining the canadian infantry soon after my high school is done.....i hope canada gets involved. I WANT SOME ACTION OH YA!!

WiiMan21

Canada...

:P

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

im joining the canadian infantry soon after my high school is done.....i hope canada gets involved. I WANT SOME ACTION OH YA!!

GrabTheYayo

Canada...

:P

I say destroy North Korea despite the high causalities (every war is won with a cost) liberate the damn country and push it out of the damn middle ages. Seriously there society is still class based and it's pathetic. I know there are citizens who don't want to be liberated but a large majority would gladly fight back against the evil dictator if given the chance. It's just the moment they even open there mouth that isn't something like "Praise North Korea best country in the world" they are shot in the head or sent to interment camps along with innocent family members and eventually killed or released years 20-50 years later.

Not to mention it's not "if" there will ever be a full out war it's "when" and I say the sooner the better. Many of those innocent South Koreans who have died simply because North Korea wanted to play big kid on the playground deserve to be avenged. I do not support war but what the North is committing is crimes against Humanity. They are killing innocent people inside there own country, separating entire families and sending them to labor camps, forcing children into prostitution, brainwashing there civilians, forcing people into poverty, not letting people out of the country, not allowing any sort of free speech and provoking a war every few years and killing innocent people in other countries and not admitting to it or saying it was "provoked"

It's time to stand up and kill, execute every one of those damn bastards who are commiting these crimes.

china can always say "If you attack nk, we'll stop making iphones for you"
oh how the apple fanboys will protest.

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Canada...

:P

JasonDarksavior

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

im joining the canadian infantry soon after my high school is done.....i hope canada gets involved. I WANT SOME ACTION OH YA!!

GrabTheYayo

Canada...

:P

America has aircraft carriers.

/arguement

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Canada...

:P

breakinglaws

America has aircraft carriers.

/arguement