Nate Silver: Same sex marriage opponents now in minority

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/gay-marriage-opponents-now-in-minority/

This trend is very encouraging and if it holds, it robs the anti-gay marriage folks of one of their most effective weapons (public opinion). However, I don't think that it will have any real effect on Republicans in the short term, though it will effect them significantly in the long term.

Also, now the people that hide behind majority opinion can find some other excuse.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/gay-marriage-opponents-now-in-minority/

This trend is very encouraging and if it holds, it robs the anti-gay marriage folks of one of their most effective weapons (public opinion). However, I don't think that it will have any real effect on Republicans in the short term, though it will effect them significantly in the long term.

GreySeal9

An encouraging trend, but I don't agree with the bolded part. Politicians are very good at being political weather vanes. When something is no longer popular and when it looks impossible to change that, politicians will just casually stop supporting it, and then claim to have always opposed it. I imagine Republicans' opposition to same-sex marriage will no more harm their future political aspirations than did Southern Democrats' support of segregation, etc.

Anyone that supports gay marriage and isn't gay has too much time on their hands.SolidSnake35

It takes so much time to say "yes" to the question "do you support gay marriage". :P

Anyone that supports gay marriage and isn't gay has too much time on their hands.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Anyone that supports gay marriage and isn't gay has too much time on their hands.GabuEx

It takes so much time to say "yes" to the question "do you support gay marriage". :P

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/gay-marriage-opponents-now-in-minority/

This trend is very encouraging and if it holds, it robs the anti-gay marriage folks of one of their most effective weapons (public opinion). However, I don't think that it will have any real effect on Republicans in the short term, though it will effect them significantly in the long term.

GabuEx

An encouraging trend, but I don't agree with the bolded part. Politicians are very good at being political weather vanes. When something is no longer popular and when it looks impossible to change that, politicians will just casually stop supporting it, and then claim to have always opposed it. I imagine Republicans' opposition to same-sex marriage will no more harm their future political aspirations than did Southern Democrats' support of segregation, etc.

Perhaps I worded that badly.

What I meant is that this trend is not going to cause any re-ordering of Republican positions in the short term. It won't be until the long term until it becomes enough of a factor to make them change their stances.

Also, I think that the issue will cause some problems with the base in the somewhat distant future when gay marriage supporters outnumber the opposers even more.

However, I agree that Republicans will probably adapt.

Anyone that supports gay marriage and isn't gay has too much time on their hands.SolidSnake35

One could a stronger case for forum posting as far as that is concerned.

Anyone that supports gay marriage and isn't gay has too much time on their hands.SolidSnake35

I agree.

Anyone that supports the idea of all people being treated with the appropriate respects and rights clearly needs to find something else to do.

:)

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Anyone that supports gay marriage and isn't gay has too much time on their hands.SolidSnake35

It takes so much time to say "yes" to the question "do you support gay marriage". :P

Cheerleading? That'd be kind of gay.

I don't mind them getting married but I still have a problem with them raising kids. I think kids deserve to be raised with one mom and one dad. I just know if I was a kid I would be kind of pissed if I had two dads or two moms, it would weird me out to much. Not to mention it be hell at school if anyone ever found that out.

Bet you dimes to donut holes that we won't hear the "majority rule" argument ever again. :lol:Theokhoth

*let me just start out by saying I'm Pro-Gay Marriage*....that being said... if the majority wanted Gay Marriage.....we'd already have Gay Marriage.....sad....but true.........carry on.....Omni-Slash

The majority has just started to approve of it. These things take time.

Also, it's still not going to happen without a fight.

doesn't matter sadly when the minority that holds the view also hold the power in congress, etc.

Its encouraging though, but still 2011 and people still think that its a sin to allow gay people the right to marry

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

It takes so much time to say "yes" to the question "do you support gay marriage". :P

mariomaster16

Cheerleading? That'd be kind of gay.

I don't mind them getting married but I still have a problem with them raising kids. I think kids deserve to be raised with one mom and one dad. I just know if I was a kid I would be kind of pissed if I had two dads or two moms, it would weird me out to much. Not to mention it be hell at school if anyone ever found that out.

RAGINGxPONY

I don't mind them getting married but I still have a problem with them raising kids. I think kids deserve to be raised with one mom and one dad. I just know if I was a kid I would be kind of pissed if I had two dads or two moms, it would weird me out to much. Not to mention it be hell at school if anyone ever found that out.

Anyone that supports gay marriage and isn't gay has too much time on their hands.SolidSnake35

Does that mean anyone who is for gun rights and isn't shooting people is wasting their time too?

I don't mind them getting married but I still have a problem with them raising kids. I think kids deserve to be raised with one mom and one dad. I just know if I was a kid I would be kind of pissed if I had two dads or two moms, it would weird me out to much. Not to mention it be hell at school if anyone ever found that out.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] You'd be pissed to have parents? So you'd rather be an orphan than have two moms or two dads? :|Sandvichman

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] You'd be pissed to have parents? So you'd rather be an orphan than have two moms or two dads? :|Sandvichman

From someone without parents, I can honestly say I'd rather be raised by a mom and a dad. I was fortunate enough to be adopted into a normal family, thank God. I would not have appreciated getting adopted by two "dads."

Is gay marrage allowed in some states? Gay people can get married in the UK, not sure about the rest of europe.

Is gay marrage allowed in some states? Gay people can get married in the UK, not sure about the rest of europe.

tenaka2

I just know if I was a kid I would be kind of pissed if I had two dads or two moms, it would weird me out to much. RAGINGxPONY

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Hmm. Who would be in the "wrong" in such a scenario? The kid who just wishes they had a dad and mom, or the parents who might have a problem with their child wishing one of them just "wasn't"? Kid grows up in that environment yet just seems to be repelled by it. CreasianDevaili

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Hmm. Who would be in the "wrong" in such a scenario? The kid who just wishes they had a dad and mom, or the parents who might have a problem with their child wishing one of them just "wasn't"? Kid grows up in that environment yet just seems to be repelled by it. mariomaster16

From someone without parents, I can honestly say I'd rather be raised by a mom and a dad. I was fortunate enough to be adopted into a normal family, thank God. I would not have appreciated getting adopted by two "dads."

[QUOTE="mariomaster16"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] I have yet to hear about an oprhan that wouldnt be with 2 of the same sex as parents. Sandvichman

From someone without parents, I can honestly say I'd rather be raised by a mom and a dad. I was fortunate enough to be adopted into a normal family, thank God. I would not have appreciated getting adopted by two "dads."

yes

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]*let me just start out by saying I'm Pro-Gay Marriage*....that being said... if the majority wanted Gay Marriage.....we'd already have Gay Marriage.....sad....but true.........carry on.....-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="mariomaster16"]

From someone without parents, I can honestly say I'd rather be raised by a mom and a dad. I was fortunate enough to be adopted into a normal family, thank God. I would not have appreciated getting adopted by two "dads."

mariomaster16

yes

[QUOTE="mariomaster16"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] You would prefer being on a orphonage compared to having 2 people regardless of their sexual orientations that love you? Ring_of_fire

yes

Perhaps, but I was old enough to have formed an opinion on the matter, so I think I still would have found it unnatural.

Anyone that supports gay marriage and isn't gay has too much time on their hands.SolidSnake35

You're right, being in favor of equal rights is totally a waste of my time. :roll:

Now I don't spend time actively campaigning for gay rights (there are issues I care more about and would rather devote my time to), but that doesn't stop me from supporting them, or voting against legislation like Prop 8.

If the parents are loving, who cares.

LOL, when I first read your title I thought you said, "same sex marriage opponents are now minorities".

let them get married it doesn't effect me, and if a church does not allow them o well go find one that does i guess.

let them get married it doesn't effect me, and if a church does not allow them o well go find one that does i guess.KillerAlexandr

This is pretty expected. It's impossible to convert a person from pro-SS marriage to being anti-SS marriage because the all arguments against SS marriage are so bloody moronic, so naturally there will be a net conversion rate of anti-SS to pro-SS among the population.

I like the way things are going. Its nice to know that within my lifetime, I will be able to see a country where gay marriage is legal in every state and I will be able to watch as the right wing's fascist, bigoted ideals are eviscerated in one state after another.

doesn't matter sadly when the minority that holds the view also hold the power in congress, etc.

Its encouraging though, but still 2011 and people still think that its a sin to allow gay people the right to marry

fueled-system

Anyone that supports gay marriage and isn't gay has too much time on their hands.SolidSnake35

doesn't matter sadly when the minority that holds the view also hold the power in congress, etc.

Its encouraging though, but still 2011 and people still think that its a sin to allow gay people the right to marry

fueled-system

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

doesn't matter sadly when the minority that holds the view also hold the power in congress, etc.

Its encouraging though, but still 2011 and people still think that its a sin to allow gay people the right to marry

With-Hatred

Why does having different views than you make people bigots?

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

doesn't matter sadly when the minority that holds the view also hold the power in congress, etc.

Its encouraging though, but still 2011 and people still think that its a sin to allow gay people the right to marry

mariomaster16

Why does having different views than you make people bigots?

Why does having different views than you make people bigots?mariomaster16

we call opponents of the gay rights movement bigots because they

- build their stance on the idea that there is something wrong with gay people, and yet they fail to prove a solid reason why. generally, unfounded disdain for a group of individuals is called "prejudice."

- seek to deny gays equal rights in marriage, adoption, the workplace, religion, the military, and in general society

- consider gays to be inherently unnatural or morally inferior.

[QUOTE="mariomaster16"]Why does having different views than you make people bigots?arbitor365

we call opponents of the gay rights movement bigots because they

- build their stance on the idea that there is something wrong with gay people, and yet they fail to prove a solid reason why. generally, unfounded disdain for a group of individuals is called "prejudice."

- seek to deny gays equal rights in marriage, adoption, the workplace, religion, the military, and in general society

- consider gays to be inherently unnatural or morally inferior.